Please check out George's Views on the latest conflict in Lebanon.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html


Surley this man should be Foeriegn secretary??

Your views please people.

Naturally the world should be ruled exclusively by Scotsmen. It is the only logical approach. Therefore, as a necessary next step, I must agree with you.

He gets my vote.

I cannot believe someone who is not an Arab or a Muslim actually gets what is happening there in Lebanon and Palestine.

Galloway hangs out with too many Islamic fundamentalists!. The man has a history of pro arab Islamic views.

Anyone who isn't a mindless drooling lapdog like our current government is fine by me. Whether they can do their job properly is a secondary issue.

Galloway hangs out with too many Islamic fundamentalists!. The man has a history of pro arab Islamic views.
Hi vega

I hope all is well wiht you.

Which fundamentalists would that be

Galloway hangs out with too many Islamic fundamentalists!. The man has a history of pro arab Islamic views.

What are his other pro Arab Islamic views?

Hi vega

I hope all is well wiht you.

Which fundamentalists would that be

I dont hink so Mr Vega,

Georgous george seems to talk a lot of sense if you ask me, in fact i would say he is pro-peace.

Did you see how he slaughetered the senate committee last year.

that alone makes him "The man" in my opinion.

Galloway is known to have links with many islamic factions even Hezbollah, since there no proof to support that clause, I'm sure mr.Galloway would love to brag about it if questioned.
http://euphoria.jarkolicious.com/journal/2005/12/03/1385/

However the man was summoned to the United States Senate last year who accused him of profiting from Iraq oil dealings.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8869.htm

Galloway is known to have links with many islamic factions even Hezbollah, since there no proof to support that clause, I'm sure mr.Galloway would love to brag about it if questioned.
http://euphoria.jarkolicious.com/journal/2005/12/03/1385/

However the man was summoned to the United States Senate last year who accused him of profiting from Iraq oil dealings.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8869.htm

According to the wiki page on him, the accusation is dubious and looks manufactured. It was also refuted by Tariq Aziz.

Galloway is known to have links with many islamic factions even Hezbollah, since there no proof to support that clause, I'm sure mr.Galloway would love to brag about it if questioned.
http://euphoria.jarkolicious.com/journal/2005/12/03/1385/

However the man was summoned to the United States Senate last year who accused him of profiting from Iraq oil dealings.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8869.htm
THANK YOU FOR THIS Vega

But whats your point.

Galloway proved by humiliating the senate that he had nothing to do with any Oil sanctions busting exercises.

Galloway is known to have links with many islamic factions even Hezbollah, since there no proof to support that clause, I'm sure mr.Galloway would love to brag about it if questioned.
http://euphoria.jarkolicious.com/journal/2005/12/03/1385/

However the man was summoned to the United States Senate last year who accused him of profiting from Iraq oil dealings.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8869.htm
Whats wroong with having links with Hezbaollah, regardless of whetehr George has links or not.

which i will try to find out

According to the wiki page on him, the accusation is dubious and looks manufactured. It was also refuted by Tariq Aziz.

Tariq Aziz???

Would that be the same Tariq Aziz that was the Foreign Minister and close personal friend to Saddam "The Butcher" Hussein?

Yeah, a *real* credible guy. No wonder you're so infatuated with the monumentally retarded Galloway and his antics.

Hey let me take another guess - I bet you think the war in Iraq was started for oil huh?

Whats wroong with having links with Hezbaollah

You mean besides being affiliated with a group of cowardly thugs who hide behind women and children?

Muslims today sure are a pathetic lot - they take part in "brave" guerilla attacks against civilian targets, but once the war is brought to them they hide behind women and children and cry foul to the World.

BTW - so you think its ok for Galloway, an MP of Great Britain, to be affiliated with a terrorist organization? Did you also think it was ok that he was affiliated with the murderous dictator Saddam Hussein?

Tariq Aziz???

Would that be the same Tariq Aziz that was the Foreign Minister and close personal friend to Saddam "The Butcher" Hussein?

Yeah, a *real* credible guy. No wonder you're so infatuated with the monumentally retarded Galloway and his antics.

Hey let me take another guess - I bet you think the war in Iraq was started for oil huh?

No of course not, it was started because of the WMDs (which were never found), due to the relationship of Saddam with Al-Qaeda (which was refuted by GWB ) and hence to 9/11 (the official version of which is in the umpteenth state of revision right now), to protect the Americans from the terrorists (who did not originate in Iraq) and to bring democracy to the Iraqi people (after the civil war, of course) who were being brutally murdered by the evil dictator (how the US rids Iraq of their suffering (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/) ) etc. Why would it be because Saddam was demanding Euros (http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html#p2) for his oil, so that the EU and China would no longer need to purchase the oil in dollars, reducing the American stronghold on the oil in the ME?

You mean besides being affiliated with a group of cowardly thugs who hide behind women and children?

Muslims today sure are a pathetic lot - they take part in "brave" guerilla attacks against civilian targets, but once the war is brought to them they hide behind women and children and cry foul to the World.

BTW - so you think its ok for Galloway, an MP of Great Britain, to be affiliated with a terrorist organization? Did you also think it was ok that he was affiliated with the murderous dictator Saddam Hussein?

Oh wait!

I get it. Just 24 posts!

Welcome to sciforums, Israeli cyber-soldier! :D

Oh wait!

I get it. Just 24 posts!

Welcome to sciforums, Israeli cyber-soldier! :D

Yeah.

Cause no one else in the World besides Israelis has reason to despite ass-lifting automaton mohammadans, right? I mean, its not like there have been conflicts in India, Russia, Nigeria, Phillipines, Indonesia, Europe [Madrid, London], Sudan, or just about any country that has the misfortune of having mohammadans or being next to muslim lands, right?

Get a clue moron - the World is waking up to Islam for the medieval death-obsessed cult it is.

Have a good day! :D

Get a clue moron - the World is waking up to Islam for the medieval death-obsessed cult it is.

Don't you mean the world is finally realising what the Palestinians and Lebanese have been through for the last 50 years?

Have a good day! :D

You too!

You mean besides being affiliated with a group of cowardly thugs who hide behind women and children?

Muslims today sure are a pathetic lot - they take part in "brave" guerilla attacks against civilian targets, but once the war is brought to them they hide behind women and children and cry foul to the World.


Hi Indymaestro,

i hope you are well. The reaons why civilains are being killed in Lebanon is either cos israel has shit targeters or they are deliberatley shooting at them.

i hjave not seen one shred of evidence to back up this rather proposterous claim.

BTW - so you think its ok for Galloway, an MP of Great Britain, to be affiliated with a terrorist organization? Did you also think it was ok that he was affiliated with the murderous dictator Saddam Hussein?


Well actually if you check the Britains governmental records Hezbollah is not a terrorist orgainisation . secondly how is George G assoicaitated to hezbollah????


On another not Please dont insult fellow posters, i found that quite distasteful.


Take care

Yeah.

Cause no one else in the World besides Israelis has reason to despite ass-lifting automaton mohammadans, right? I mean, its not like there have been conflicts in India, Russia, Nigeria, Phillipines, Indonesia, Europe [Madrid, London], Sudan, or just about any country that has the misfortune of having mohammadans or being next to muslim lands, right?

Get a clue moron - the World is waking up to Islam for the medieval death-obsessed cult it is.

Have a good day! :D
what do you mean by the first sentence in the first paragraph

No you get a clue

Zakariya04:

Do people still call Muslims as Mohammadans?

Get a clue moron - the World is waking up to Islam for the medieval death-obsessed cult it is.


You mean like this?

A Brief History of Terrorism:

Among the earliest such examples were the Sicari and the Zealots, Jewish groups active during the Roman occupation of the first century Middle East. The favored weapon of the Sicari was the sica (the short dagger which gave them their name, which literally means ‘dagger men’), which they used these to murder those (mainly Jews) they deemed apostate and thus selected for execution. The Zealots, who generally targeted Romans and Greeks, give us the modern term Zealot, one translation of which is “a fanatical partisan.”[iv] Such killings usually took place in daylight and in front of witnesses, with the perpetrators using such acts to send a message to the Roman authorities and those Jews who collaborated with them – a tactic that would also be used by subsequent generations of what would become known as terrorists.

Zakariya04 ,

Sorry for the delay in my response, I was currently near the southern Island belt of the maldives on a research ship when my satellite uplink was experiencing a bit of inteference due to the impending storm moving towards us.

George Galloway is a sad and twisted but ultimately irrelevant politician, he uses every tactic and loophole in the book to prove his point, well don't they all!.
If he had noting to hide he wouldn't be summoned to washington in the first place unless he was under suspicion.

Galloway said he was "absolutely" convinced he had been vindicated from allegations that he received vouchers for 20 million barrels of oil from Saddam Hussein's regime.

After the outrage in Lebanon that led to a Syrian "withdrawal," even though Syria still does not recognize the existence of Lebanon as a state. Galloway publicly deplored this withdrawal, saying that Syria's presence in Lebanon was "legal," which it was not after the Taif Accords of more than a decade ago, and adding that "the beneficiary from the absence of Syria is the US and Israel."

George Galloway Is Gruesome, Not Gorgeous!!

Fawning on dictators, posing and posturing for a state-controlled press in front of a coerced audience, managing to overlook the existence of death squads and torturers, and praising the invasion and occupation of neighboring states—this is the same George Galloway who in 1994 flew to Baghdad and addressed Saddam Hussein in the following terms, commiserating with him on his failure to annex the Arab and Muslim state of Kuwait

Men of peace don'r always hold a olive branch in one hand and a gun in another...well thats my opinion of course!

Sorry for the delay in my response, I was currently near the southern Island belt of the maldives on a research ship when my satellite uplink was experiencing a bit of inteference due to the impending storm moving towards us.

What do you do Vega? Sounds exciting.

Re: Galloway.
Were any of his statements about Israel, Palestine or Lebanon false? If so, which ones?

If he had noting to hide he wouldn't be summoned to washington in the first place unless he was under suspicion.Anyone who can make a statement of such monumental stupidity does not deserve to be on a research ship anywhere. Especially near the Maldives.

Does this mean every person who has been taken in for questioning by the police was guilty of something? I mean the police suspected them, they must have had something to hide, right? That single sentiment, with all its implications, renders all of your posts utterly worthless. Studied ignorance at that level is astounding in a supposedly educated person.

Zakariya04:

Do people still call Muslims as Mohammadans?
Hi sam

Thank you for your post, i hope all is good with you.

I dont know!! however people usually use it in a Derogatory manner

Hi sam

Thank you for your post, i hope all is good with you.

I dont know!! however people usually use it in a Derogatory manner

Oh? I assumed it was the equivalent of Christians (from Christ).

Anyone who can make a statement of such monumental stupidity does not deserve to be on a research ship anywhere. Especially near the Maldives.

Does this mean every person who has been taken in for questioning by the police was guilty of something? I mean the police suspected them, they must have had something to hide, right? That single sentiment, with all its implications, renders all of your posts utterly worthless. Studied ignorance at that level is astounding in a supposedly educated person.
I cannot be offended by a stupid person... :)
If you find my posts distasteful to your ignorant appetide , please do not bother to comment.

I cannot be offended by a stupid person... :)
If you find my posts distasteful to your ignorant appetide , please do not bother to comment.

:confused:

Zakariya04 ,

Sorry for the delay in my response, I was currently near the southern Island belt of the maldives on a research ship when my satellite uplink was experiencing a bit of inteference due to the impending storm moving towards us.
!
Hi Vega

this sounds interesting what do you research.

i hope you will be ok, i ho0pe yo are moving your ship into harbour or at least away from the storm!


George Galloway is a sad and twisted but ultimately irrelevant politician, he uses every tactic and loophole in the book to prove his point, well don't they all!.
!

he has a show on talk sport Uk *(the uk biggest Commercial radio station : 7mil listeners) every saturday and sunday night so he is not that irrelevant
and he is an MP.

If he had noting to hide he wouldn't be summoned to washington in the first place unless he was under suspicion.

Galloway said he was "absolutely" convinced he had been vindicated from allegations that he received vouchers for 20 million barrels of oil from Saddam Hussein's regime.
!
already answer by Sam i think

"the beneficiary from the absence of Syria is the US and Israel."
!

he is of-course quite right in this statement

George Galloway Is Gruesome, Not Gorgeous!!

Fawning on dictators, posing and posturing for a state-controlled press in front of a coerced audience, managing to overlook the existence of death squads and torturers, and praising the invasion and occupation of neighboring states—this is the same George Galloway who in 1994 flew to Baghdad and addressed Saddam Hussein in the following terms, commiserating with him on his failure to annex the Arab and Muslim state of Kuwait

Men of peace don'r always hold a olive branch in one hand and a gun in another...well thats my opinion of course!
![/QUOTE]

He went to Iraq to try and bring peace and a stop to sanctions, not like D rumsfield in the 80's who went to sell him guns and maps to better target those guns

oh and pls give me the source of this supposed support for the occuaptionof Kuwait

You mean like this?

A Brief History of Terrorism:

Among the earliest such examples were the Sicari and the Zealots, Jewish groups active during the Roman occupation of the first century Middle East. The favored weapon of the Sicari was the sica (the short dagger which gave them their name, which literally means ‘dagger men’), which they used these to murder those (mainly Jews) they deemed apostate and thus selected for execution. The Zealots, who generally targeted Romans and Greeks, give us the modern term Zealot, one translation of which is “a fanatical partisan.”[iv] Such killings usually took place in daylight and in front of witnesses, with the perpetrators using such acts to send a message to the Roman authorities and those Jews who collaborated with them – a tactic that would also be used by subsequent generations of what would become known as terrorists.

Hi Sam,

thanks for this.

i will look more into this do you ahve a link.

good work thank you

Anyone who can make a statement of such monumental stupidity does not deserve to be on a research ship anywhere. Especially near the Maldives.

Does this mean every person who has been taken in for questioning by the police was guilty of something? I mean the police suspected them, they must have had something to hide, right? That single sentiment, with all its implications, renders all of your posts utterly worthless. Studied ignorance at that level is astounding in a supposedly educated person.
sorry answered by Ophilotte

Vega come on man, you have to admit galloway's systematic dismantling of the senate committee was a classic

I cannot be offended by a stupid person... :)
If you find my posts distasteful to your ignorant appetide , please do not bother to comment.
hello

you are a new poster i see

i hope you are well..

please expand on this i dont get what you mean??

I cannot be offended by a stupid person... :)
If you find my posts distasteful to your ignorant appetide , please do not bother to comment.
your not the same dude as that IndyMaestro guy are you from page 1

Hi Sam,

thanks for this.

i will look more into this do you ahve a link.

good work thank you

I just googled history of terrorism, but wiki gives some history as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#History

These are other good articles on suicide bombers
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2005/07/03/why_do_suicide_bombers_do_it/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_to_Win:_The_Strategic_Logic_of_Suicide_Terro rism

I cannot be offended by a stupid person... :)
If you find my posts distasteful to your ignorant appetide , please do not bother to comment.I have absolutely no idea what you are attempting to communicate here.

Your opening sentence, as a general observation, is fine. It is a variant of a line I have used on occasion - If I valued your opinion I would be offended.

Placed in context here it is either
a) advice to me not to get upset by the stupid remark from Vega.
b) an indication that you are not offended by my comments, since you believe me to be stupid

In either case it seem a bit of a non sequitur. (Damn the Latin. That must be the wrong spelling.)

Your second sentence appears to be directed to me and my ignorant appetide. I am not sure what an appetide is. Perhaps it is a profrusion of falling apples brought on by the increased gravitational attraction of the moon at high tide. Not quite sure how such a phenomenon of nature could be ignorant, but I am confident you will enlighten us.

As far as commenting, whether I find your arguments wholesome, or full of holes, it really is no bother.

Ophiolite,
sorry you feel that way but not all of us do get to go on cruises!! you just have to be lucky.

I just googled history of terrorism, but wiki gives some history as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

These are other good articles on suicide bombers
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2005/07/03/why_do_suicide_bombers_do_it/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_to_Win:_The_Strategic_Logic_of_Suicide_Terro rism
thanks Sam,

i will go through these links shortly i hoep

your not the same dude as that IndyMaestro guy are you from page 1

No, he isn't.


And Zakariya, I have a question that I hope you will answer.

First of all I presume you are a muslim? And second of all, I know this is slightly off-topic but I like to ask this question to all muslims that I talk to concerning politics - it is a gauge of sorts.

What is the source of contention between shias and sunnis in Iraq and Pakistan? As you probably know, shias and sunnis are killing each other in both countries on a large scale and I was interested in hearing what your thoughts are concerning the reason of this in-fighting.

Thanks.

No, he isn't.


And Zakariya, I have a question that I hope you will answer.

First of all I presume you are a muslim? And second of all, I know this is slightly off-topic but I like to ask this question to all muslims that I talk to concerning politics - it is a gauge of sorts.

What is the source of contention between shias and sunnis in Iraq and Pakistan? As you probably know, shias and sunnis are killing each other in both countries on a large scale and I was interested in hearing what your thoughts are concerning the reason of this in-fighting.

Thanks.

Hi Indy,

thank you for your post.

firstly what makes you think that i am a muslim?

secondly

the man made catastophe in Iraq is all to do with Land, economics and politics.

Not to sure about Pakistan, but again i would guess Land, econimics and politics in any order

Hi Indy,

thank you for your post.

firstly what makes you think that i am a muslim?

secondly

the man made catastophe in Iraq is all to do with Land, economics and politics.

Not to sure about Pakistan, but again i would guess Land, econimics and politics in any order
in my humble opinion of-course

firstly what makes you think that i am a muslim?


Ummmmm....maybe its because 'Zakariya' is a muslim name perhaps?



secondly

the man made catastophe in Iraq is all to do with Land, economics and politics.

Not to sure about Pakistan, but again i would guess Land, econimics and politics in any order

Pretty vague, don't you think?

Land, economics and politics? That could answer just about every question on the planet! :p

Don't you think this infighting has something to do with the inherrant violence that is at the root of Islam and which characterizes it especially? Wouldn't that be a more likely explanation? How else could it happen in two different countries (not to mention all the political wrangling going on as of late between Saudi Arabia [sunni] and Iran[shia] - I mean really, who would have ever thought that Saudi Arabia of all places would condemn the Shia Hezbollah over Israel?? Sounds like the Sunni-Shia conflict is heating up again)

Ummmmm....maybe its because 'Zakariya' is a muslim name perhaps?


Hi Indy....

Thank you for your post, i hope you are haviong a ncie day.

Zakariya was a christian prophet, he was the father of the John the baptist (pbot) so it is a christian name too. And how do you know Zakriay is actually my name. Surely not everyones screen name is their first name take yours for example.


Pretty vague, don't you think?

Land, economics and politics? That could answer just about every question on the planet! :p

Don't you think this infighting has something to do with the inherrant violence that is at the root of Islam and which characterizes it especially? Wouldn't that be a more likely explanation? How else could it happen in two different countries (not to mention all the political wrangling going on as of late between Saudi Arabia [sunni] and Iran[shia] - I mean really, who would have ever thought that Saudi Arabia of all places would condemn the Shia Hezbollah over Israel?? Sounds like the Sunni-Shia conflict is heating up again)
i just knew that if i gave you that answer you would answer the question in your opinion for me, which is good cause now i can gauge where you are coming from too.....

No this is pure politics for control of the region. Its just some guys happen to be sunni and the other guys happen to be shiite, thats all.

in a way you are lucky i am not geoffP, when i asked him similar questions he just refused to ansswer them.

You can also research the opinions of posters by going in to the names section, and looking at their posts, perhaps you should start at mine as you are so interested in my opinions. Sorry if this sounds egotistical.


take care, have a nice evening

What do you do Vega? Sounds exciting.

Re: Galloway.
Were any of his statements about Israel, Palestine or Lebanon false? If so, which ones?

Samcdkey,

Coming back to your questions...sorry I was real busy, I am currently on an expedition in the indian ocean to carry out reading on ocean marine life by analyzing plankton samples on the ocean basin to determine the effects of atmospheric changes on these creatures. It's to help understand ways to repair this planet. It's all work, nothing like a cruise in the bahamas's but you do get a good tan and get to see interesting places.


Well as for Mr.Galloway I don't dispute his statements made on the mid east, its just that the man tends to add or over emphasize on issues where most of his speeches have marxist and rebellious elements which tend to become controversial to the public. He once stated that British soldiers should refuse to obey illegal orders and not go into Iraq and at the same time support Iraq to resist coalition troops from occupying country. I personally don't like the way he practices politics...too much for me sorry!

Samcdkey,
Coming back to your questions...sorry I was real busy, I am currently on an expedition in the indian ocean to carry out reading on ocean marine life by analyzing plankton samples on the ocean basin to determine the effects of atmospheric changes on these creatures. It's to help understand ways to repair this planet. It's all work, nothing like a cruise in the bahamas's but you do get a good tan and get to see interesting places.


I envy you. I grew up next to the ocean and have spent 5 of the last 7 years in the middle of a desert and the last two in mid-west USA!

Well as for Mr.Galloway I don't dispute his statements made on the mid east, its just that the man tends to add or over emphasize on issues where most of his speeches have marxist and rebellious elements which tend to become controversial to the public. He once stated that British soldiers should refuse to obey illegal orders and not go into Iraq and at the same time support Iraq to resist coalition troops from occupying country. I personally don't like the way he practices politics...too much for me sorry!

He's a politician. What else is there? :o

....the source of this supposed support for the occuaptionof Kuwait
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Here you go gorgeous george and one of his gruesome statements...
http://decision08.blogspot.com/2005/08/weekly-jackass-number-thirty-eight.html

Though Galloway is a champagne socialist, an element I consider a collaborator with capitalist political parties, I LOVED watching him dress down the pompous asses in the US Congress that day. All those sleazy, suit & tie wearing liars and thieves, egos overflowing from their self righteous pedestals, getting 'told off' by someone that isn't afraid of them or isn't on the take was a glorious moment. It should happen more often.

Ha Ha, I like how the pro Arsitocratic apologists attack everything about Galloway but the Subject matter he's debating. That's the typcial conservative response. You lay out facts, they start name calling and credibility bashing. Because they have no facts to speak for themselves. Just vitriolic emotions, that manifest themseleves in the form of insults.

Here you go gorgeous george and one of his gruesome statements...
http://decision08.blogspot.com/2005/08/weekly-jackass-number-thirty-eight.html
Good Morning Vega

I hope all is well with you.

the sal;uting of saddam was explained by GG and he was actually saluting the Iraqi people for their courage etc....

And the second point i agree with him Kuwait was Iraq, the western powers deicded to draw maps.

Good Morning Vega

I hope all is well with you.

the sal;uting of saddam was explained by GG and he was actually saluting the Iraqi people for their courage etc....

And the second point i agree with him Kuwait was Iraq, the western powers deicded to draw maps.
Prior to World War I, under the Anglo-Ottoman Convention of 1913, Kuwait was considered to be an autonomous caza within Ottoman Iraq. Following the war, Kuwait fell under British rule which treated Kuwait and Iraq as separate countries known as emirates. However, Iraqi officials did not accept the legitimacy of Kuwaiti independence or the authority of the Kuwaiti Emir. Iraq never recognized Kuwait's sovereignty and in the 1960s, the United Kingdom deployed troops to Kuwait to deter an Iraqi annexation.

Kuwait is legally a sovereign country now, although some in Iraq might dispute that, but they don't really care anymore as they got problems of their own. Most mid east countries do stem from one root country at some earlier stage in history but thats because their people and cultures started off or migrated to that particular region to exercise their different political interests with respect to tribal differences developing their own social systems and laws. example moroccco and algeria use to be one country just like pakistan and india. Galloway's just taunting at the historical fact of kuwait being part of an Iraqi province in order to gain some form of favourism among the iraqi people.

I was here during the invasion in 1990 and saw the tanks when they rolled in. The kuwaiti's thought that the build up of iraqi armour in was merely a military exercise at first, but later realized the sad truth.

Although Saddam's justification for starting the invasion was primary a blend of the assertion of Kuwaiti territory being an Iraqi province there are other factors such as shared oil wells being drilled close to Iraqi border.
Kuwait shares oil wells under agreement with Saudi Arabia in Umm Qasr in the south. It looks like the deal probably went sour and Saddam didn't like it...
Well we may never know.... :)

Ha Ha, I like how the pro Arsitocratic apologists attack everything about Galloway but the Subject matter he's debating. That's the typcial conservative response. You lay out facts, they start name calling and credibility bashing. Because they have no facts to speak for themselves. Just vitriolic emotions, that manifest themseleves in the form of insults.
very true blackrain very true indeed

Prior to World War I, under the Anglo-Ottoman Convention of 1913, Kuwait was considered to be an autonomous caza within Ottoman Iraq. Following the war, Kuwait fell under British rule which treated Kuwait and Iraq as separate countries known as emirates. However, Iraqi officials did not accept the legitimacy of Kuwaiti independence or the authority of the Kuwaiti Emir. Iraq never recognized Kuwait's sovereignty and in the 1960s, the United Kingdom deployed troops to Kuwait to deter an Iraqi annexation.

Kuwait is legally a sovereign country now, although some in Iraq might dispute that, but they don't really care anymore as they got problems of their own. Most mid east countries do stem from one root country at some earlier stage in history but thats because their people and cultures started off or migrated to that particular region to exercise their different political interests with respect to tribal differences developing their own social systems and laws. example moroccco and algeria use to be one country just like pakistan and india. Galloway's just taunting at the historical fact of kuwait being part of an Iraqi province in order to gain some form of favourism among the iraqi people.

I was here during the invasion in 1990 and saw the tanks when they rolled in. The kuwaiti's thought that the build up of iraqi armour in was merely a military exercise at first, but later realized the sad truth.

Although Saddam's justification for starting the invasion was primary a blend of the assertion of Kuwaiti territory being an Iraqi province there are other factors such as shared oil wells being drilled close to Iraqi border.
Kuwait shares oil wells under agreement with Saudi Arabia in Umm Qasr in the south. It looks like the deal probably went sour and Saddam didn't like it...
Well we may never know.... :)


OK thanks Creeping Death

gorgeous George's "proof" of not plundering Iraq's oil money was him denying it.
i have so much contempt for this guy it's not even funny.

just FYI here, he is the most extreme member of the British Parliament - i can't think of a single British MP that is more terrorist-regime friendly and more terrorist-supporting than him. he is far far far left. in fact, he was elected by paying lip service to the constituents from his riding, which consists of Muslim immigrants -- the same bunch that after 7/7 protested with "Europe is next" and "decapitate those who insult Islam" signs in the middle of London.

apart from the fact that his views are despicable in the absolute, how can such a fringe lunatic be the Foreign Secretary? shouldn't such a job be reserved for a politically-central person?

gorgeous George's "proof" of not plundering Iraq's oil money was him denying it.And the evidence for him plundering it, was what exactly? One does not have to prove ones innocence. It is up to the accusers to prove ones guilt.
If you disagree with this sentiment then I accuse you of corruption, armed robbery and conspiracy to commit murder. Do you deny it?

And the evidence for him plundering it, was what exactly?
his name was on the list of companies / shell companies / persons

there are documents tying him directly and indirectly to this

i didn't just make this up.

finally a honest politician.

finally a honest politician.
do you happen to live in the UK?

do you happen to live in the UK?

Yes.

then what do you think about this?
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1145782006

Almost a quarter of British Muslims say the 7/7 bombings can be justified


correction: almost a quarter are openly saying it.

this is where George Galloway gets his support from. it's one thing to be anti-war but it's another thing to support bombing of your own country (but it isn't their own country - is it... it's dar al-harb)

so, Muslim from England, are you part of that quarter? have you ever been to the Finsbury Park mosque?

then what do you think about this?
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1145782006


correction: almost a quarter are openly saying it.

this is where George Galloway gets his support from. it's one thing to be anti-war but it's another thing to support bombing of your own country (but it isn't their own country - is it... it's dar al-harb)

so, Muslim from England, are you part of that quarter? have you ever been to the Finsbury Park mosque?
Hello Otheapd

i hope all is well wiht you.

Now i am not having this about Gourgeous George..... if the evidence was such against him then why has no one pressed charges. His desmantling of the senate committee goes down in the stakes of legends!!!

When does Galloway support bombing of his own country. now check the House of parliment records, he was one of the first MP's to condem The 9-11 and 7-7 bombings..... Just check ortheapd before you start shouting your mouth off.

Galloway was also condeming Saddams Invasion of Iran in the early 80's (again check the reocrds) and demonstrating outside the iraqi embassey aginst the use of chemical weapons etc..... while our governemt and the US government sold military hardware, components and wmd components to saddam. So the UK and US government are quite morally ok to do this then...

And this survey by the new scotsman/despatches, do we know where these muslims were surveyed? what question they were asked and how it was phrased?

Galloway was also condeming Saddams Invasion of Iran in the early 80's (again check the reocrds) and demonstrating outside the iraqi embassey aginst the use of chemical weapons etc.

why, then, did he become such a good friend of the regime (particularly Tariq Aziz) after the use of such weapons? flip flopper? typical politician? opportunistic bastard? moral bankruptcy? evil? retardation? viral infection of the brain? could be all of the above.

if the evidence was such against him then why has no one pressed charges
under which law? when offenses are on such a high level, it comes to politics. what jurisdiction would judge him? you might say "international law"... do you mean a "special UN tribunal"? when most of the power players in the UN (including Russia and France - 2 nukers and permanent members of UNSC) were in on it too, such a tribunal would be prevented from doing anything. besides, these courts have no binding authority. so our gorgeous Boy George can't really be charged...there's not much anybody can do.

George was called to the Senate just for fact-finding... not to be on trial

And this survey by the new scotsman/despatches, do we know where these muslims were surveyed?
this is not the first poll taken.
judging from your response you don't believe the results. some anti-Muslim might have distorted it.. right?

well surprise surprise.......... "i read the news today, oh boy..." (http://www.lyriczz.com/lyriczz.php?songid=4391)

otheadp: what is the song about? I don't know the connection.

song is unrelated.. it's a quote of a Beatles song about how fucked up news are.
today's news, obviously, is the big arrest in the UK about UK Muslims trying to blow up a bunch of planes.

hence, "i read the news today, oh boy".. and i think it's relevant to this topic

Galloway was also condeming Saddams Invasion of Iran in the early 80's (again check the reocrds) and demonstrating outside the iraqi embassey aginst the use of chemical weapons etc.

why, then, did he become such a good friend of the regime (particularly Tariq Aziz) after the use of such weapons? flip flopper? typical politician? opportunistic bastard? moral bankruptcy? evil? retardation? viral infection of the brain? could be all of the above.

HOW was he good mates of the regime??????

if the evidence was such against him then why has no one pressed charges
under which law? when offenses are on such a high level, it comes to politics. what jurisdiction would judge him? you might say "international law"... do you mean a "special UN tribunal"? when most of the power players in the UN (including Russia and France - 2 nukers and permanent members of UNSC) were in on it too, such a tribunal would be prevented from doing anything. besides, these courts have no binding authority. so our gorgeous Boy George can't really be charged...there's not much anybody can do.

George was called to the Senate just for fact-finding... not to be on trial


They obviously did not find any facts then

And this survey by the new scotsman/despatches, do we know where these muslims were surveyed?
this is not the first poll taken.
judging from your response you don't believe the results. some anti-Muslim might have distorted it.. right?

well surprise surprise.......... "i read the news today, oh boy..." (http://www.lyriczz.com/lyriczz.php?songid=4391)
I am not sure how John lennon has anything to do with this....

Dont tell me he would be a support of those manicas Bush and blair

song is unrelated.. it's a quote of a Beatles song about how fucked up news are.
today's news, obviously, is the big arrest in the UK about UK Muslims trying to blow up a bunch of planes.

hence, "i read the news today, oh boy".. and i think it's relevant to this topic
Ok then i have read the news and it says that an alledged plot has been foiled to blow up 10 civilian aeroplanes.

You can read this in anyway you want.

HOW was he good mates of the regime??????
1) a personal good friend of the regime
2) business partner

They obviously did not find any facts then
1) the facts are known. but nobody is putting Boy George in jail... just like nobody is going to put a Russian diplomat in jail

it says that an alledged plot has been foiled to blow up 10 civilian aeroplanes
look at this self-serving bias
"alleged" is a legal term. out of court, as far as i'm concerned, this is no conspiracy theory - a real plot has been foiled. why would you not believe this?
and you still haven't answered if 7/7 was justified...

I am not sure how John lennon has anything to do with this....
Dont tell me he would be a support of those manicas Bush and blair
i'm not sure he'd support them
but remember this line from Revolution:
"But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"

HOW was he good mates of the regime??????
1) a personal good friend of the regime
2) business partner

They obviously did not find any facts then
1) the facts are known. but nobody is putting Boy George in jail... just like nobody is going to put a Russian diplomat in jail
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So give me the facts then Ortheadp
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it says that an alledged plot has been foiled to blow up 10 civilian aeroplanes
look at this self-serving bias
"alleged" is a legal term. out of court, as far as i'm concerned, this is no conspiracy theory - a real plot has been foiled. why would you not believe this?
and you still haven't answered if 7/7 was justified...

I am not sure how John lennon has anything to do with this....
Dont tell me he would be a support of those manicas Bush and blair
i'm not sure he'd support them
but remember this line from Revolution:
"But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"

We do not have enough information about the current alledged plot for me to answer at present.

7/7 - sorry i did not realise you were asking me this question.

Of course 7-7 is not justified, i have been raised to respect all human life

As stated in earlier posts, people who committee these tyopes of crimes are enemies of humanity and GOD.

I dont know how they can justify these acts at all.... for the following reasons:
1) Killing is a major sin
2) suicide is another major sin

How the fuck they expect to go to heavan is beyond me as the prophets (PBUT) state their is no sort-cut to heavn

the people who do this have shit in their brains.

Zakariya, I fully agree no short cuts to heaven, and respect for all life.

So give me the facts then Ortheadp
fact is he Boy George was involved in defrauding Iraqi people from oil revenues which were supposed to buy them medicine, food, etc.
you might not agree that it's a fact, but at the least you can agree that he's connected to it

Of course 7-7 is not justified, i have been raised to respect all human life
thank G.d you think that

1) Killing is a major sin
2) suicide is another major sin
not if you do those 2 in the course of Jihad - which is an obligation of every Muslim
i think something similar to Jihad would be "Mitsvas" in Judaism

you should do good deeds... which is Jihad (self improvement through good deeds.. correct me if i'm wrong)

terrorists say that the West is evil, corrupt, etc., and that to fight evil and corruption is just, and therefore is considered a good deed
which is why if you die in the process of doing this good deed, you go straight to heaven

this concept has been hijacked by Osama and comapny... these terrorist bastards think it is justice to blow up 10 airplanes

chemical castration is the only solution!

So give me the facts then Ortheadp
fact is he Boy George was involved in defrauding Iraqi people from oil revenues which were supposed to buy them medicine, food, etc.
you might not agree that it's a fact, but at the least you can agree that he's connected to it
!

good Morning Ortheadp

Surely you can do better than this my firend, I need evidence not allegation

Of course 7-7 is not justified, i have been raised to respect all human life

thank G.d you think that

1) Killing is a major sin
2) suicide is another major sin
not if you do those 2 in the course of Jihad - which is an obligation of every Muslim
i think something similar to Jihad would be "Mitsvas" in Judaism

you should do good deeds... which is Jihad (self improvement through good deeds.. correct me if i'm wrong)

terrorists say that the West is evil, corrupt, etc., and that to fight evil and corruption is just, and therefore is considered a good deed
which is why if you die in the process of doing this good deed, you go straight to heaven

this concept has been hijacked by Osama and comapny... these terrorist bastards think it is justice to blow up 10 airplanes

chemical castration is the only solution!
Yep fighting evil is a good deed but not when you kill innocent people, and on top of that dont identify your targets. Those 7/7 bnombers or the alledged bom,bers from yesterday, did not have a fucking clue who they were going to kill.

Well that Bin-Liner fucker gets his idea from Wahabism, which is purely fucked up and paranoid. I really do despise Wahabism, which is what the House of Saud is based on, who incedentally according to the west is a moderate Arab country, how the fuck Saudi Arabia is moderate is beyond me. the only reason why they are moderate is cos they suck Bush (or the US administratiions dick) The people of Saudi Arabia, are probably more oppresed than the people undeer saddams regime. I don't even think Women are allowed to drive over their.

Wahabism is doing well in sending the islamic religion 100s of years backwards and untill we destroy this sect, this sort of shit willl go on and on.

Now the alledged bombers from yesterday, if they were guilty then we should send them back to Musharraf so his bunch of thugs can give them a right kicking. are jails are too good for them. You know anyone of our families could have been on any one of those targetted flights

These people are absolutely despicable, how would they justify it when they kill the innocent muslims (not sayign a life of a muslim is more important than any one elses) but thats what they think. What they would say is that oh well those muslims who died in 9-11 or 7-7 or whatever are ever traitor muslims or if they were good then they will go to heavan. But the dumb fuckwits obviously forget that God is the one who choses when people die.

there should be more people like you who speak out in public...
especially in England

Well all this shit comes from Whabism which was born in the house of Saud.

It annoys me so much how Saudi Arabia is called moderate, they are far from moderate in my mind.

Bush is a fucking hypocrite when it comes to Saudi Arabia.......

the whabi sect in Saudi is what we need to be gunning for.......Ahmendjad is a pure ametuer in front of these lads....

He gets my vote.

I cannot believe someone who is not an Arab or a Muslim actually gets what is happening there in Lebanon and Palestine.

Gorgeous George has been the voice for British Muslims for a long time (it seems), or at least he is the loudest voice! I'm not sure whether it's because he really cares or whether he just likes kicking Tony Blair in the teeth? You should look at the footage of him when he flew to the US to facer allegations of taking bribes from Saddam Hussain, very entertaining (needless to say, he walked it)!!

Georgie boy doing what he does best.....er, and worst!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoMZWxPUC_c

:D

What does it matter if a politician cares or not?

How many really care about the values they expound?

The fact that they have a voice is more important; especially when the voices of the people involved are not considered significant enough for consideration.

What does it matter if a politician cares or not?

How many really care about the values they expound?

The fact that they have a voice is more important; especially when the voices of the people involved are not considered significant enough for consideration.

Well said, and I have to admit that I agree. But then again, it would make voting for these supposed public servants easier if I believed they did care. If only...

I'd settle for their keeping their promises, regardless of whether they truly care or just to further their political ambitions.