Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

Due to the high volume of comments deriding critics of the imminent war as peaceniks, wimps, Saddam appeasers, etc. I decided to add some comments by some whom I think are harder to dismiss in this way:

"Do we really want to ocupy Iraq for the next 30 years? In Japan, occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."
-James Webb, former Sec. of the Navy under Ronald Reagan - Decorated Marine Veteran - Navy Cross, Silver Star, Purple Heart

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see in the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another... We are about to do something that wil ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."
-Marine General Anthony Zinni, Former Head of Central Command, U.S. Forces Middle East.

"Should the President decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: Stand all and publicly tell the American People the truth about another bad war that could lead to another died-in-vain balck wall. Or even worse."
- Colonel David Hackworth, America's most highly decorated soldier.

"If we go in [to Iraq] unilaterally, or without the full weight of international organizations behind us, if we go in with a very sparse number of allies, if we go in without an effective information operation, we're liable to supercharge recruiting for al-Qaida."
- General Wesley Clark - Former NATO Supreme Commander

"This is a colossal mistake"
- Hypewaders - American Citizen (OK, he is a suspected left-leaning pacifist, although he is still in partial denial)

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Iraq is one of many a threats to america, he needs to be stopped at all cost before another 9/11.

 

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Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous [terrorist] plot we have ever had to face?

 

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no, what's flouridation?

 

It's horrible, no time to explain, we're getting a gigantic a war-on. We need emergency kits, here's what Tom Ridge says will work, along with duct tape and plastic sheets:

Survival kit contents check: In them you'll find: one .45 caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days concentrated emergency raisins; one drug issue containing: antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination [Arabic] phrase book and [Qur'an]; one hundred dollars in [Dinars]; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair a nylon stockings. Shoot, a fellah could have a pretty good weekend in [Bahrain] with all that stuff.

 

I Know I did.

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HAHA to the survival pack!

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I take no credit - it's plagiarism from Dr. Strangelove.

 

Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the bomb.

Strangelove is the greatest movie ever!

 

Hype,
Why must you make a mockery of your own thread? I realize you have every right to, but it tends to ruin your credibility.

As for your James Webb quote, I disagree. (surprise, surprise) I have a more optimistic outlook. In my opinion, we could get in fast, prop up some type of less deplorable government, and get the hell out, thus minimizing our exposure to terrorist attacks.

 

As to the outcome of our Iraq, and widening crusade, we shall all soon see how things are when the occupation is in place. I am convinced Iraq will begin losing its luster for Americans in short order.

And on the disaster with this thread, I tragically overestimated reader familiarity with Dr. Strangelove, which was biting commentary on chickenhawk culture, and I thought a nice counterpoint to the veryominous direct criticism of the Bush Doctrine from some honorable military men.

I clumsily mixed seriousness with levity, on an evening when I was sorely needing a little light-heartedness while clouds of deception and doom are gathering over my country and my favorite part of the world abroad. I shall now retire in shame, to sullenly lick the wounds of my pride.

Actually, I'm gong to sleep. Goodnight, cruel world.

 

They're planning on staying at least eight years.

Greetz
fukushi

 

I thought it was a "7 Year plan" as they put it.
I assumed that meant they intended on being there 7 years though i have serious doubts it will go this way because all the "Plans" are assuming an overly simplistic and peaceful resollution to this entire conflict (imho)

 

I have seen no public US plans for the occupation. If anyone has, please point us to it.

I suspect there is none (public) because the situation is far to unpredictable for the government to offer a plan, only to be embarrassed. All questions about the occupation seem always to be sidestepped.

There are far too many factors of instability and anti-Americanism, for this occupation to go well. Pundits keep pointing to the occupation of Japan, and don't want to mention one that is much nearer, is contemporary, and has been funded by the USA.

 

Yeah yeah. We all saw the movie. Peter Sellers was great.
"Heil Hitler, mein Fuhrer!"

 

It seems they have reduced the 7 year plan.

Secretary of State Colin Powell suggested in December that protecting the oil fields from Iraqi sabotage will be critical.

"If coalition forces go into those oil fields, we would want to protect those fields and make sure that they are used to benefit the people of Iraq, and are not destroyed or damaged by a failing regime on the way out the door," he said Dec. 29, according to the New York Times. The Times reported in December that the Pentagon was planning on maintaining a troop presence in Iraq for 18 months."

I still don't understand those that say this is not for oil, oil has nothing to do with it.

I just want someone opinion about this, which to me is a glaringly obvious fact.
The USA has made it clear that they will reward any Allies with Massive deals in Iraqi oil by selling it rights to both the Oil and to drilling untapped reserves all of them in $'s and in US Interest.
With so much attention being paid to these details and drawn up even before the war and Using it as a tool to bribe in Allies.
Given they even stated that the Oil will go a long way to covering the costs of the war "And helping rebuild Iraq"....maybe but in America's interests.
Given that its obvoious then that this can't be for the "Good of the Iraqi People" as even after they give it back to their puppet all rights to Iraqi oil will of been sold by America to Big Business in the West and GWB's allies.
Even if thet invest some of that back into Iraq which they will have to in order to get the infrastructure to exploit the resources, the majority of the oil and profits go straight into the pockets of the West and the USA Big business taking the oil and profit out of Iraqi and denying them their own natural resources draining an already impoverished country to enrich the West further.
If they expand they are not only destroying hte planet and draining their own resources they are expanding to do the same to every other country they can get a foot into.
Tell me i'm wrong and oil has nothing to do with this agian please...

 

bribing vote's, blackmailing nations with the treat of economic boycot!Man! how far do they want to go!)

Verry well said Psycho-Cannon and I'd like to add to it:

If there's anyone who doesn't see what these Bushevic's has got to do with the whole thing then see the ties they have for yourself!

George Bush, of course, is a Texas oilman, although not a very successful one. His company, Arbusto, merged with Spectrum 7 in 1984 as it was on the verge of bankruptcy. Spectrum was bought out by Harken Energy in 1986, giving Bush a seat on Harken’s board, some stock options and a $120,000 consulting contract. As the first president to have an MBA, Bush has surrounded himself with people with similar (and more successful) corporate backgrounds. Vice President Dick Cheney was, until last year, the CEO of Halliburton, the world’s largest oil field services company. Halliburton, through its European subsidiaries, sold spare parts to Iraq’s oil industry, despite U.N. sanctions. The Bush administration is already considering whether or not it should alter the sanctions policy against Iraq, hinting that it might allow for more normalized trade with the country.

Of course, everyone knows that the U.S. oil industry has a secure foothold in the White House. But when he handed out cabinet posts and picked his top advisors, Bush left no industry out in the cold. From old school automobile manufacturers to fledgling biotech companies, just about every sector was covered. Below is a list of the corporations represented in the Bush White House. You won’t find every cabinet member or senior adviser listed here. Education Secretary Rod Paige, for example, was a school superintendent in Houston before coming to Washington. Senior adviser Karl Rove and counselor to the president, Karen Hughes, have political backgrounds. Environmental Protection Agency head Christine Todd Whitman, the former New Jersey governor, raised most of her campaign money within the state. But those on Bush’s staff who don’t have extensive corporate connections are the exception, not the rule:


President Bush's Cabinet ties to the industries:
Cabinet Position Cabinet Official Corporate Connections*
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