I never thought I would complain but this is getting ridiculous. $4.55/gallon in SanFran.
W.T.F.
I thought the libs said gas would be cheaper because "we went to Iraq for the oil" :confused: :rolleyes:

p.s. I searched for an existing thread and couldn't find one. If there is one please move this.:)

Obviously the best solution is to buy a bigger SUV.

That's right, bigger tank, less fill-ups, elementary.

Yeah. Good point. Like maybe the Hummer with the maching gun on top.:xctd:

That's great, then you could ride around pointing the machine gun (no ammo) at people saying on your bullhorn, "support the NRA."

:D I like the way you think, Ice.;)

Thanks, by the way Sandy, did you see my offer on PM?

How much is gas where you live/are?

I think it's around $3.00 here in Houston, my fillup is around 40 clams.

Gas is $2.54 here.

98 pence per litre. (UK)

In couple of years USA is gona hit rock bottom, the capitalist nature of US economy is gona make the common american pay dearly.

Yeh, these illegals are bad news.

Yes, they will trash our country worse than now.

...I thought the libs said gas would be cheaper because "we went to Iraq for the oil" ...No, that was the "neocons" like Wulfwitze, Rumsfield, Negroponte, and VP Cheney who easily manipulated their simple-minded, but sincere, "front man" in the oval office. They promised him and all Americans that the oil would pay for the war and the reconstruction.

Are you calling these architects of the Iraq invasion "libs"???? Don’t forget when the decision to invade was made, they also had control of Republican dominated Congress, both houses, in part by supplying false data about WMD s etc. The "libs" were out of governmental power back then.

If not these neocons, please name a few of the "libs" you are referring to.

Perhaps you are just attempting the old switch game? - When your guys make a bad decision, switch the "credit" for it to the other team.

Hey Billy T, did you go to Berkley?

Most libs will tell you we "went to Iraq for the oil." I heard it ad nauseum on Stuart Smalley's show, Mikey Moron's hype, and from all your other hero traitors.
I read it on every lib forum I visit. I hear it from every lib I know. I see it on CNN.
It's really old and stupid. Because it's not true. It never was.

How's the Air America Radio programming doing these days?

LOL!:D
Bankrupt and off the air I think. What a shame. Not.:D

I really think Al Franken kinda lost his mind there for awhile, I hope he's better now.

Hey Billy T, did you go to Berkley?No, Cornell and Johns Hopkins. I am one of the execptions - self made rich but increasingly liberal. I undersatand how important making sure all get a good education (and health care) is to the economic welfare of a nation in this information age. thus want federal government to make the rat invested urban schools as good as those in rich neighborhoods and all sorts of ideas, you no doubt think "foolish." From my capitalistic POV,we can not afford not to when competeing with nations like China, S. Korea, Japan, even India, etc. that are placing high emphase on education for all etc. Look at the relative math and science scores in Asia, compared to US. Little wonder the US economy is losing to them.

I trust you support the voucher system then, good man.

Most libs will tell you we "went to Iraq for the oil." I heard it ad nauseum on Stuart Smalley's show, Mikey Moron's hype, and from all your other hero traitors.
I read it on every lib forum I visit. I hear it from every lib I know. I see it on CNN.
It's really old and stupid. Because it's not true. It never was.You still did not name one "lib" who had any role, veven a small one, in the decision to invade Iraq!

Your switch blame to those who were out of power will not work for anyone who can think.

Yes I too say we went to war for the oil profits that were going to French comapany Total and Russian suppliers of oil field equipment and services and for Hallibuton and US big oil that objective has been partially achieved.

Ice-re:Franken:

Poor guy. I guess he just wasn't good enough, smart enough, and dog-gone it, people didn't like him. :D

That's good, email it to him.

No, that was the "neocons" like Wulfwitze, Rumsfield, Negroponte, and VP Cheney who easily manipulated their simple-minded, but sincere, "front man" in the oval office. They promised him and all Americans that the oil would pay for the war and the reconstruction.

Are you calling these architects of the Iraq invasion "libs"???? Don’t forget when the decision to invade was made, they also had control of Republican dominated Congress, both houses, in part by supplying false data about WMD s etc. The "libs" were out of governmental power back then.

If not these neocons, please name a few of the "libs" you are referring to.

Perhaps you are just attempting the old switch game? - When your guys make a bad decision, switch the "credit" for it to the other team.

The common american cant do a thing about this , the reason is that american democracy is controlled by illunimnati. Since there are only two parties they are out of option. Democracy has to be free, a two party system is nothing more that tyranny in turns.

That's very true, they're working the ol' Hegelian dialectic, controlled conflict resolution.

To understand intent, by observing actions (the old "deeds speak louder than words" bit):

Note that the first building in Baghdad to be protected (from looting) by a ring of US guards was the oil administration building. The museum, filled with irreplaceable treasures of mankind's history did not get any protection for more than 10 days so much was lost. I think most "libs" would have inverted this order - I would have any way.

For a very long time the only protection that was given to Iraqi people was to its oil wells.

I trust you support the voucher system then, good man.Yes, but only after all schools offer essentially the same quality of educational opportunity. However, I am not very interested or knowledgeable on how is the most efficient way to finance equally good schools. All I am sure of is that if schools are funded very locally then some will be good and many terrible, as is the current case in US. The students from the bad schools will tend to hurt the economy more than they help it. (Crime is very costly, but if you are unqualified for the jobs available in the high-tech, information society we are creating, what else can you do?)

I tend to think some aspects of the voucher system very positive - the slightly better schools would gain students and the slightly worse than average lose students. Thus, by noting change in the student attendance numbers (corrected for other factors like a local factory closing, local population aging, etc.) would call early attention to the schools developing problems much more quickly than some DC office of education could without this type of information.

Exactly.

Since u armerican claim to have reached moon 40 years ago, have u still got rid of poverty in your country ? or do u have even more beggars now since 1969 ?

We have about 17 beggars in the U.S.

Since u armerican claim to have reached moon 40 years ago, ?sooo off-topic

Exactly.Does that mean you agree with my post 30? If so, state that view as I do when it is germain to the thread. MANY, like the Baron, disagree yet the economic logic is very simple and clear.

To make the connection to the thread more clear:
Perhaps the brain that could have, if well educated, made liquid fuel available more cheaply was in a poor child's body, which got bitten by a rat in school, dropped out and now uses his clever intellect to deal drugs without getting caught.

No, Cornell and Johns Hopkins. I am one of the execptions - self made rich but increasingly liberal. I undersatand how important making sure all get a good education (and health care) is to the economic welfare of a nation in this information age. thus want federal government to make the rat invested urban schools as good as those in rich neighborhoods and all sorts of ideas, you no doubt think "foolish." From my capitalistic POV,we can not afford not to when competeing with nations like China, S. Korea, Japan, even India, etc. that are placing high emphase on education for all etc. Look at the relative math and science scores in Asia, compared to US. Little wonder the US economy is losing to them.

Those "rat filled" schools will never perform as well as those "rich" white schools because they are filled with low IQ "minorities".

You can read what happened when some liberal judge in Missouri had his wet dream fulfilled and was allowed to spend as much money as he wanted on black inner city schools in Kansas City. You can read how well that worked here.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/08/catastrophe_in.php

The effort to integrate the Kansas City public schools is one of the most costly, misguided, and ineffectual programs ever undertaken in America in the name of racial equality. This billion-dollar effort has been so utterly a failure that only good can come of it. Catastrophe as complete as this may shake even a liberal’s confidence. This may well be the high-water mark of the astonishing efforts whites have made to build a society in the name of an illusory equality.

Kansas City came to national attention ten years ago, when federal District Judge Russell Clark ordered the school district to build and staff the best, most expensive public schools in the country – perhaps in the world. They were to be so dazzlingly good that they would both lure white students out of their safe suburbs and raise black student achievement to the white level. Judge Clark was even willing to wield dictatorial power to get what he wanted, looting both the city and the state to fund the gold-plated schools that desegregation was thought to require.

Of course, the grand experiment failed. The wondrous schools were duly built but blacks learned no more in them than before. Whites stayed in the suburbs. And now a recent Supreme Court decision will probably cut off massive subsidies from the state, leaving the city with a hugely expensive system to run and no money. If Kansas City cannot dream up new ways to make whites pay for them, the dream schools will slide back into the ramshackled mediocrity from which Judge Clark thought he had lifted them.

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Since u armerican claim to have reached moon 40 years ago, have u still got rid of poverty in your country ? or do u have even more beggars now since 1969 ?

We have more poverty now because we import it and pay welfare queens to breed.

(Crime is very costly, but if you are unqualified for the jobs available in the high-tech, information society we are creating, what else can you do?)

Dont know about the States, but in Canada there is a DRASTIC shortage of skilled blue collar workers - carpenters, mechanics, masons, electricians, plumbers, etc.

And a large number of unemployed high tech folks.

Dont know about the States, but in Canada there is a DRASTIC shortage of skilled blue collar workers - carpenters, mechanics, masons, electricians, plumbers, etc.

And a large number of unemployed high tech folks.

Sounds like Canada needs some illegal immigrants.

Even at $4.50 a gallon it will STILL be cheaper than what most of the industrialized world pays. Americans have to accept the fact that if we aren't going to begin taking advantage of our own ENORMOUS oil supplies (as yet untapped because of whiney tree huggers), then we are going to have to pay the price that the world sets for oil. Besides drilling more at home, the USA needs (yes, in this case it means governnent regulation) a 20 plan to totally remove American electricty production from fossil fuels and converting them to nuclear, solar, wind, and hydroelectric means. BESIDES that, the farce of turning corn into fuel needs to stop and the reality of turning "other" things like hemp or sugar beats into fuel needs to be explored (the amount of convertable substances in corn is a fraction of other plants-- but the corn industry has dominated the debate... thus wins).

If not drilling at home, then the USA needs to REALLY start invading countries-- personally I'd take Canada and Venezuela over Iraq any day.

~String

gas is too cheap.

year with all got it bad petrol is expensive in england and the rest of the u.k, but why don't we convert to the electric car

year with all got it bad petrol is expensive in england and the rest of the u.k, but why don't we convert to the electric car

because the oil lobby hasnt cornered that market yet.
just wait, you will see an exxon electric car, mark my words.

sry exxon?

If not drilling at home, then the USA needs to REALLY start invading countries-- personally I'd take Canada and Venezuela over Iraq any day.

~String

Killing people beats driving less any day.

sry exxon?

exxon-mobile.

Killing people beats driving less any day.

now you are getting it!
:p

Americans have to accept the fact that if we aren't going to begin taking advantage of our own ENORMOUS oil supplies (as yet untapped because of whiney tree huggers)
Where are these ENORMOUS reserves in the States???

Links?

With regard to where good brains may be, I tell following true story:

The US mother of a poor, third-grade, black boy could not read, but she tricked him into thinking she could. She required him to get a library book, read it, and then give an oral book report to her each week. He tended to pick the small children's books, with lots of pictures. One was a picture book about rocks. (He collected rocks while walking home on the railroad tracks each day. One he had collected was obsidium, and it looked just like the picture in his book.)

He did not like school, was called by all "the class dummy" and thought himself to be very dumb. He did not pay any attention to the teacher and she never called on him to answer any questions. He just day dreamed until time to go home.

One day, the teacher held up a piece of obsidian and asked the class if they knew what it was. None did, except Ben. As he had never held up his hand in class before, when he did, some "smart" student said: "This ought to be good, let’s hear what the dummy has to say!"

Somewhat shyly, he said: "obsidian." The astounded teacher exclaimed: Yes! That IS right, Ben! She began to call on Ben and he began to listen to her and realize that he was not the dumbest kid in the school.

That piece of obsidian now sits on the desk in his office. He is Dr. Benjamin Carlson, Chief of Pediatric Surgery, at Johns Hopkins Hospital. (Or was 20 years ago when he told his history to workers at APL/JHU as principle speaker at APL/JHU's annual black pride week.)

As stated in prior post, US is losing economically to Asian nations because too many potentially good brains are not developed in the poor rat infested schools. Except for the chance picking up of that piece of obsidian, Ben would probably be using his good brain to deal drugs. The childish brain, that noticed some pretty, wood-destroying fungus, which if it had been well educated, might have already solved the problems of making alcohol from any cellulose is also probably dealing drugs. America can no longer afford the loss of more than half of its most important resource for the information age.

Gas is about $7 per gallon here. We get it cheap because Norway is an oil exporting nation.

Where are these ENORMOUS reserves in the States???

Links?

North Slope - Alaska
Gulf Coast - Texas/Louisianna

~String

Gas is about $7 per gallon here. We get it cheap because Norway is an oil exporting nation.

yeppers, about the same here.
belgium doesnt produce anything...but everyone feels sorry for us.

UK = $7.3 / US gallon

Killing people beats driving less any day.

I wonder when the US will start killing people in Canada for their oil?

With current production of about 2.5 million barrels per day, you'd think the US would have shelled everything between Montana and the Athabasca Oil Sands by now.

"Here are some key facts about conventional oil in Canada.

Canada is the eighth-largest producer of crude oil in the world.

Canada produces over 2.5 million barrels of crude oil per day. We currently export over 1.6 million barrels per day of crude oil, primarily to refineries in the central and western United States.

We have huge, undeveloped crude oil deposits."

And if you think plans for non-oil burning vehicles will come to fruition anytime soon, think again, Canada plans to double it's output over the next 13 years to meet the increasing demand.

"Total Canadian production is projected to increase from the current 2.5 million barrels per day to reach 4.9 million barrels per day (b/d) by 2020."

http://www.capp.ca/default.asp?V_DOC_ID=689

Thanks, by the way Sandy, did you see my offer on PM?

Do tell?

Was the offer rejected?

I wonder when the US will start killing people in Canada for their oil?

I doubt they will; they would hate having to take personal responsibility for the victims, which would be so much harder to avoid when they live next door. Nah, much more likely they'll float the idea of a North American Union.

I doubt they will; they would hate having to take personal responsibility for the victims, which would be so much harder to avoid when they live next door.

Don't be ridiculous, that's a complete non-issue.

Nah, much more likely they'll float the idea of a North American Union.

On what grounds?

Don't be ridiculous, that's a complete non-issue.
Nope its not; its the single most important reason the US will not start a war with any neighbors close enough to jump fences.



On what grounds?

Anything that comes to mind; hardly anyone cares to look for the truth anyway.

The blueprint President Bush is following was laid out in a 2005 report entitled "Building a North American Community" published by the left-of-center Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The CFR report connects the dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal immigration and the drive to create the North American Union:

At their meeting in Waco, Texas, at the end of March 2005, U.S. President George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin committed their governments to a path of cooperation and joint action. We welcome this important development and offer this report to add urgency and specific recommendations to strengthen their efforts.

What is the plan? Simple, erase the borders. The plan is contained in a "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" little noticed when President Bush and President Fox created it in March 2005:

In March 2005, the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States adopted a Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP), establishing ministerial-level working groups to address key security and economic issues facing North America and setting a short deadline for reporting progress back to their governments. President Bush described the significance of the SPP as putting forward a common commitment "to markets and democracy, freedom and trade, and mutual prosperity and security." The policy framework articulated by the three leaders is a significant commitment that will benefit from broad discussion and advice. The Task Force is pleased to provide specific advice on how the partnership can be pursued and realized.

To that end, the Task Force proposes the creation by 2010 of a North American community to enhance security, prosperity, and opportunity. We propose a community based on the principle affirmed in the March 2005 Joint Statement of the three leaders that "our security and prosperity are mutually dependent and complementary." Its boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly and safe. Its goal will be to guarantee a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America.




Takes care of oil and blue collar workers in one shot.

...
As stated in prior post US is losing economically to Asian nations becuse too many potentially good brains are not developed in the poor rat infested school. Except for chance picking up of that piece of obsidian, Ben would probably be using his good brain to deal drugs. The childish brain, that noticed some pretty, wood-destroying fungus, which if it had been well educated, might have already solved the problems of making alcohol from any celulose is also probably dealing drugs. America can not longer afford the loss of more than half of its most important resource for the information age.

So dont they get free education in US if their parents cant afford it ?

So dont they get free education in US if their parents cant afford it ?They get free lunch and baby sitting monitors in buildings called schools. Typically few or no books in the library, if there is one. The rat catching, drug dealing, training they receive does come in useful when released into the outside world.

Agreed. The US education system is jacked up. It's one of the FEW areas I believe in centralized planning of something on the Federal level. Local control has given us: merde. The French, Germans, Dutch, and Japanese all centrally plan their education systems, have standardized testing, and all the schools have the exact same books, and curriculum across the entire country. Currently, they score better than American students across the board. Works for them... works for me.

~String

I never thought I would complain but this is getting ridiculous. $4.55/gallon in SanFran.

jesus..that's cheap. 1.35 Euro per LITER here.

Who sells gas passes $4.50/gallon, how do they condense it to liquid form, and are cow flatulents used for this?

Most libs will tell you we "went to Iraq for the oil." I heard it ad nauseum on Stuart Smalley's show, Mikey Moron's hype, and from all your other hero traitors.
I read it on every lib forum I visit. I hear it from every lib I know. I see it on CNN.
It's really old and stupid. Because it's not true. It never was.

Wrong, when Neocons went to War to [b]control[b] the oil supply. Chevorn, Shell, etc, have all enjoyed record setting quartely profits. If you ever want to know who's responsible for any war or murder, just look at who benefits the most;)

Exactly. Its not about who's buying it, its about who's selling it and controlling the supply.

I never thought I would complain but this is getting ridiculous. $4.55/gallon in SanFran.
W.T.F.
I thought the libs said gas would be cheaper because "we went to Iraq for the oil" :confused: :rolleyes:

p.s. I searched for an existing thread and couldn't find one. If there is one please move this.:)

What's the contradiction?

They did go for the oil, which is conveniently reduced in production, thus raising the price, thus raising the profits for Exxon mobile, Chevron, etc...

Once production sharing agreements are in place, they can control the flow of oil at will. If they manipulate the price carefully, they can ensure profits far into the future, or as long as the reserves last.

Oh, I almost forgot to add, the Republicans get all those political donations from the oil companies, and the cycle continues, isn't it beautiful?

because the oil lobby hasnt cornered that market yet.
just wait, you will see an exxon electric car, mark my words.

The alternate theory is that the oil companies already have that market cornered, and are sitting on the inventions. They'll start selling them once there's no oil left.

North Slope - Alaska
Gulf Coast - Texas/Louisianna

~String

Despite very heavy lobbying from Alaskans, and republican control of both houses for 12 years, ANWR stays ANWR because the gas companies aren't that interested in developing. They honestly don't think it's worth the investment.

Nope its not; its the single most important reason the US will not start a war with any neighbors close enough to jump fences.

The US went to war with Spain, who had colonies next door, and with Mexico, because we wanted the rest of Texas. We also fought Canada in the war of 1812.

The US went to war with Spain, who had colonies next door, and with Mexico, because we wanted the rest of Texas. We also fought Canada in the war of 1812.

Lots of refugee problems in 1812?

Probably not, but whole lot of people want to come here these days.

Despite very heavy lobbying from Alaskans, and republican control of both houses for 12 years, ANWR stays ANWR because the gas companies aren't that interested in developing. They honestly don't think it's worth the investment.

You're not serious, are you? The entire state of Alaska numerous national and international corporations have been petitioning Congress since the seventies to open up the reserves... but, alas, they've been stopped every time by the Democrats.

Lots of refugee problems in 1812?

Huh?

You're not serious, are you? The entire state of Alaska numerous national and international corporations have been petitioning Congress since the seventies to open up the reserves... but, alas, they've been stopped every time by the Democrats.

Yeah, I am. For the past 6 years there has been nothing in the way of Bush opening ANWR. Nothing. If the oil companies really wanted it open, it would have been opened.

Yeah, I am. For the past 6 years there has been nothing in the way of Bush opening ANWR. Nothing. If the oil companies really wanted it open, it would have been opened.

There has been nothing in the way of opening it up?

John Kerry et al have threatened to filibuster any attempt to pass legislation that could open it up. The president can't do so with out congressional approval. Republicans have been beating the ANWR drum for 20+ years and Democrats have consistently opposed any measure to do so.

When the Bush administration (yeah, big oil controlled) said that it wanted to open up ANWR, numerous oil companies started investing millions in preperation, but when the momentum failed under Democratic pressure, they started pulling out.

Your claims that they pulled out because it wouldn't be worth it are specious at best. "BIG [bad] OIL" has been drooling for years at getting its hands on ANWR... I suggest going a little reasearch on the issue. How about... start with the sites owned and run by said oil companies, for example. I'm not saying you should buy into the whole thing because THEY want it... but starting with them is a good idea before claiming you know what they want. And the millions they've spend lobying Congress says, clearly, they want to start drilling in ANWR.

~String

From the Heritage Foundation:
Objections to drilling in ANWR, mostly from environmentalists, have stymied efforts to open up the refuge ever since a 1980 change in federal law allowed for oil and gas exploration there. At the time, Alaskans were under the impression that production would start soon. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK), who recently toured the remote North Alaska site, said that for “24 years I’ve argued to get Congress to keep its word to us.”

Over the last four years, the only holdup has been in the Senate. The most recent version of the Senate energy bill, which fell two votes shy of breaking a Democratic filibuster, did not even contain ANWR provisions. The Senate had voted 52-48 to keep ANWR out of the bill entirely.

ANWR’s prospects in the Senate now look considerably brighter. Though still unlikely to survive a filibuster, ANWR could probably pass a simple majority vote. The Senate’s budget resolution may accomplish this. It includes expected federal revenues from oil leases in ANWR, estimated to bring in about $2.7 billion dollars, and a provision to lift the current restrictions on drilling. ANWR’s opponents tried to strip these provisions from the budget but failed in at 51-49 vote on Wednesday. Because the budget cannot be filibustered, that was their final chance. A vote on the whole budget could come later in the week.

From ANWR.org:
Anchorage, Alaska - Sen. Ted Stevens has a new strategy for opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration.

At a news conference this afternoon here in Anchorage, Stevens said he wants to make ANWR part of the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

Democrats have blocked oil drilling in ANWR for years, but Stevens says it only makes sense to tap the area's vast reserves for the nation's emergency energy supply.

"I think it is in the national interest to be able to produce from ANWR, and certainly, by the time we could get it ready to produce it would be a ready reserve," said Stevens, R-Alaska.

~String

52-48, that's really close. The oil companies couldn't afford two more votes? Yeah, right. It's just that, after 20 years of battles, and losing after having republican control of almost every branch of government, the oil companies are going to cut their losses. Why bother lobbying at the Capitol, when it's working so much better at the pump?

I've grown up with Alaskan politics. It's controlled on virtually every level beyond the municipal election. You won't go far without a pro-oil stance, especially since every Alaskan resident is entitled to a check of ~$800-1000 every year, cut from the oil revenues.

The point is, I'm not trying to state that we should drill in ANWR (which I believe we should), the point I was making is that Bush can't just "order" the drilling as you implied. It's a congressional issue. And, don't fool yourself into believing that all votes are bought. The Dems have long stood shoulder to shoulder against ANWR drilling, NO MATTER how much oil contained therein.

~String

Most libs will tell you we "went to Iraq for the oil." I heard it ad nauseum on Stuart Smalley's show, Mikey Moron's hype, and from all your other hero traitors.
I read it on every lib forum I visit. I hear it from every lib I know. I see it on CNN.
It's really old and stupid. Because it's not true. It never was.You are making an illogical argument, which is, oil is now expensive ergo we didn't go to war for oil. As soon as you agree the war is being lost, now the logic returns.

We went to war against Iraq to secure Iraqi oil
We are losing the War.
Oil is now expensive.


Very simple really, I am sure now you can see your mistake.



Not that it matters as Cheney's Halliburton (now sitting over in UAE) is rich and getting very very much richer. Could it have been any better for them? They get sweet no-bid Neo-crony military contracts (we continue to lose the war so these contracts continue to get renewed) and to top it off the price of their other product, oil, goes sky-high. They are rolling in it.


Neo-con Chickhawks like Bush and Cheney remind me of those stuffy Englishmen that went to war against the Americans - all powdered up and prancing about in their little red bow ties. They really have no idea what war is because of the lot of them, no one has ever been in a war. Even chicken shit Junior got out of going to Vietnam and instead sat around and dropped acid while simultaneously running each company his daddy gave him into the ground. Why would anyone suspect these guys could conduct a proper war?


Now that we've satisfied your question, I have a question:
If profits are the bottom line, and the only bottom line, then which is a better situation for Cheney's Halliburton: Oil prices go up or go down?

Michael II

Exactly. Its not about who's buying it, its about who's selling it and controlling the supply.

Nice try smarty, since u dont like the word illuminati i think u should shutup.

Wrong, when Neocons went to War to [b]control[b] the oil supply. Chevorn, Shell, etc, have all enjoyed record setting quartely profits. If you ever want to know who's responsible for any war or murder, just look at who benefits the most;)

Its unbelievable that people are so calm and cool about the issue :shrug:

Its their tax money that were used to make those illuminatis richer, but look at them.

They never ask themselves , why is oil expensive, and since there is shortage, where in the world are cars standstill due to lack of oil.

Nice try smarty, since u dont like the word illuminati i think u should shutup.

Can you spout something more than your illuminati nonsense. You're like a friggin' broken record. Do you just have your insanity coctail pretyped for ease of posting?

Yes. Yes. The Illuminati. Sasquatch. Nessy. They are all behind it. Sure. Thank you. Now, I'm guessing it's you who should shut up.

~String

You know, just a thought. It's okay to post the Illuminati jibberish, but to tell someone to shut up because they don't buy your particular brand of Crazy Juice Coctail is a bit odd.

Can you spout something more than your illuminati nonsense. You're like a friggin' broken record. Do you just have your insanity coctail pretyped for ease of posting?

Yes. Yes. The Illuminati. Sasquatch. Nessy. They are all behind it. Sure. Thank you. Now, I'm guessing it's you who should shut up.

~String

You know, just a thought. It's okay to post the Illuminati jibberish, but to tell someone to shut up because they don't buy your particular brand of Crazy Juice Coctail is a bit odd.

Its obvious that u dont know Nickelodeon. He thinks by increasing his post count he will be made a moderator here.

Well, it's obvious how people get to be moderators here. Moreover, if he does believe that, how does that invalidate his comments which, whether or not I agree with them, were valid statements... this time. Why not save your vitriol for his "count getting" comments.

~String

Well, it's obvious how people get to be moderators here. Moreover, if he does believe that, how does that invalidate his comments which, whether or not I agree with them, were valid statements... this time. Why not save your vitriol for his "count getting" comments.

~String

He is not a bad guy, but he is always wasting time.

Perhaps. But this time, he was not.

~String

Its obvious that u dont know Nickelodeon. He thinks by increasing his post count he will be made a moderator here.
Actually this article describes how to become a Moderator.

don't fool yourself into believing that all votes are bought.

You mean outside of lobbying?
That sort of things goes on pretty regularly. (http://www.adn.com/news/politics/fbi/story/8863305p-8765669c.html)

Fuel is nothing compared to the longing in my heart... for you... :L or another female.

I thought the libs said gas would be cheaper because "we went to Iraq for the oil" :confused: :rolleyes:
No.
None of the Liberals I know said that.

Most libs will tell you we "went to Iraq for the oil." I heard it ad nauseum on Stuart Smalley's show, Mikey Moron's hype, and from all your other hero traitors.

Control over the oil, not to lower the prices.
Plus, in case you haven't noticed, they have failed miserably in Iraq (not failing - failed).

Gas is hovering just below $3 per gallon here in East TN. I would say it will be at $3.50 by Memorial Day. Seems like they are raising it about a dime a day, trying not to completely freak people out, I guess.

As far as energy independence, I've said for years the U.S. should invade and conquer Canada, lease it back to them for a profit, exploit the oil and natural gas resources, and give Quebec to the Black Separatists. Everybody wins!

Here in the UK it works out at about $7 a gallon, so stop whining.

Gas run vehicles are going the way of the dinosaur anyways and about time. It's bad for the environment and everyone should take a subway. Monorails around cities and gocarts on tracks will be the wave of the future. No pollution, no tar roads.

it's 5.38 euro's in belgium... So that's abouth 7.27 american dollars /per gallon

The UK traditionally has a much higher price than the rest.

http://www.see-search.com/images/fueltrend2005a.gif

Gas run vehicles are going the way of the dinosaur anyways and about time. It's bad for the environment and everyone should take a subway. Monorails around cities and gocarts on tracks will be the wave of the future. No pollution, no tar roads.

Where will bicyclists ride without tar roads?

this pic was the best I could find and honnestly it may have been a little bigger I think It's germany on top followed by italy/france
http://www.uta.edu/depken/graphics/worldgasprices1.png

Where will bicyclists ride without tar roads?

I think rubber and cement can do that job.

Awesome.

Gas run vehicles are going the way of the dinosaur anyways and about time. It's bad for the environment and everyone should take a subway. Monorails around cities and gocarts on tracks will be the wave of the future. No pollution, no tar roads.

We will never allow subways here in paradise. Ugh... Golfcarts maybe. But never public transportation. Eww...

We will never allow subways here in paradise. Ugh... Golfcarts maybe. But never public transportation. Eww...

... You are obviously referring to america as being a paradise but are put off by public transportation because you know you don't want to sit by your stinking homeless and other less savory people. You are hypocritically contradictory.

There are advanced supertrains and subway systems which are efficient and many people use. The more efficiently and intelligently built for a town or city the better and it's possible. And I have to add there are other countries which have cleaner, safer and more efficient subway, supertrain, monorail systems than america.

There is nothing eww.. about high-tech public transportation except for the people and society using it.

No. America is no longer paradise. Too many illegal aliens, open borders, and creepy people/terrorists.:(

I live in paradise. A completely different place.;)

I live in paradise. A completely different place.;)

http://i.pbase.com/u11/colind/upload/36695287._X9Z9115.jpg

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http://i.pbase.com/u11/colind/upload/36695287._X9Z9115.jpg



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
thanks for that

Gas up to $4.79 in some places in CA. This sucks. I don't really notice it since it goes on the card and gets paid off every month, but watching the numbers go up up up is getting very old.:(

Thank Vishnu for Fuel Perks, which is a program that our local grocery chain has gives us $.10 off per galon of gas for every $50 we spend on groceries. Since I do the shopping for my location and spend like $250 per week on groceries, I consistently save between $.50 - $.70 per galon of gas each week.

~String
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**the, otherwise, wrechid "Giant Eagle" which makes me consistently miss "Safeway" and "Albertsons" back in Phoenix

$250 per week on groceries

Thats incredible, I spend $250 a month. :eek:

Gas price in Finland today: ~6.60 $ / US gallon

Gas price in Finland today: ~6.60 $ / US gallon

Which isn't so bad considering that the taxes are used to finance a social welfare state.

The gangsters in the Bush Adminimalstration are making a righteous killing. As are state and federal treasuries, who benefit from extremely high fuel excise taxes.

The gangsters in the Bush Adminimalstration are making a righteous killing. As are state and federal treasuries, who benefit from extremely high fuel excise taxes.

Which are as a matter of fact not extremely high since they are much higher in Europe, which makes american tax levels on fuel moderately high.

What happened to your precious pursuit of logic?

Funny how Americans worry and complain about gas prices, yet the movie "Shrek" took in millions of dollars just last weekend alone. And that's not counting any other forms of entertainment that cost millions of dollars.

So ...Americans willingly pay some $50 per gallon for Coke at the movies, yet bitch n' moan about $3.75 per gallon of gasoline?

Perspective ...it's something that seems to have been misplaced. Anyone know where any of it might be found?

Baron Max

i think that in todays society gasoline is relied upon enough not to be considered a luxury item.

Funny how Americans worry and complain about gas prices, yet the movie "Shrek" took in millions of dollars just last weekend alone. And that's not counting any other forms of entertainment that cost millions of dollars.

So ...Americans willingly pay some $50 per gallon for Coke at the movies, yet bitch n' moan about $3.75 per gallon of gasoline?

Perspective ...it's something that seems to have been misplaced. Anyone know where any of it might be found?

Baron Max

I agree Baron but I still get mad when I see the price going up and up. It's beyond ridiculous. And yes I have gas stocks and am making money on them but I still don't support the gouging by many stations.

The oil companies know there's no future (or profit) in building more refinery capacity. I think that's what lies behind the price increases.

i think that in todays society gasoline is relied upon enough not to be considered a luxury item.

And ....and your point is ...what?

Baron Max

So ...Americans willingly pay some $50 per gallon for Coke at the movies, yet bitch n' moan about $3.75 per gallon of gasoline?
Baron Max

...Good one :worship:

Today I dropped $75 to fill up the Pathfinder.

And cried.

It's the usual thing. Every five days.

I swore I'd never bitch about the price of gas, beause a year ago when I cruzed off the lot with my new car I figured that, THAT was what I was getting into. But, for the first time today, I accepted the possibility that this love affair may well be over by the end of 2007 and that I might have to get a hybrid.

Ugh...

Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.

~String

Which are as a matter of fact not extremely high since they are much higher in Europe, which makes american tax levels on fuel moderately high.

What happened to your precious pursuit of logic?

You're pulling definitions out of the place beneath your tail.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/extreme
1 a : existing in a very high degree

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/moderate
1 a : avoiding extremes of behavior or expression : observing reasonable limits


Go find some vegan substitute for crow, boil it, and eat it until you get heartburn.

This is an even bigger crock of sh!t than our ridiculous gas prices. The Green party wants Canadian drivers to pay an extra 12 cents a litre at the gas pumps as the price of averting environmental "catastrophe." :rolleyes:

I think I've heard it all.:rolleyes:

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/222051