I have wondered about freedom ever since I was a child, and I really think freedom comes with rules.

That may sound very self-contradicting (and that is why I have discussed it and brought it up earlier on these forums also) but I believe that it is true.

I recently got my drivers licence, and this have sparked a new set of thoughts and principles to further support my view of rules giving freedom. When driving I have experianced situations that had been very dangerous weren't it for the specific rules that the teacher gave me, and those moments I have really appreciated it. This enables me to drive comfortably knowing that I can handle most situations that can happen. Also the rules help me see when a dangerous situation may happen so I am prepared.

The rules of our life works the same way I think, when you don't need them, they don't necessarily mean much to you, but when you really need them, they mean everything. This gives a sense of freedom, that you know the rules for your life. Thus can avoid dangerous situations and can go wherever you want that isn't hindered by the rules.

(and to be honest, there is a whole world out there, why only go where you aren't allowed?)

When I was a kid I used to do all kind of bad things, just because it was so exciting, an adventure so to speak.

But this gave rise to alot of complications where I had to explain something (if I got caught) that I really didn't have any words for (since I knew it was wrong). When they asked I wouldn't have anything to say but that I was wrong and wouldn't do it again, some of my friends may have acted very foolishly in those situations (like cursing at them or whatever they could do that wasn't admitting any wrong), I have also acted like that in some of those situations, but not as a general rule, but out of frustration that I did something bad again and I still didn't have anything good to say about it, that could explain it or at least hinder the fall a bit.

However, here I am and I'm not presently doing or thinking of doing bad things, sure I still have a sense of adventure inside me, but now it is directed at other things, including science and religion, also life has alot of things to offer that is good for me, adventure isn't the only thing that is important in life, simple happiness with friends, or a laugh is worth equally or more. We still need adventure, we still need excitement, but why put these into bad things?

If by the rules one gets released and gets freedom, then by the rules we should live.

some say ... we have no freedom...

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/

there is much more... and all of its is bad... for all of us.

-MT

some say ... we have no freedom...

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/

there is much more... and all of its is bad... for all of us.

-MTThey don't have the ability to bind us. We have allways freedom in ourselves.

It seems to be much corruption in the US because there are so many people there, and I guess that any personality could get in the policeforce as long as they have what it takes to complete the training, this could mean that "bad people" that don't think twice about doing bad things that suit themselves join the forces and infest the US.

However there are many "good people" also, and I think that there is a overwhelming majority of "good people" in the police and in whatever force we speak of, including government.

It don't allways take much for "bad people" to manipulate "good people" into doing things that they think is right. Too bad, but that is just the way it works, we just has to hope that the "good people" can make such change that they drive more and more "bad people" out of the forces.

I live in Sweden and I have a outside perspective, I realise that people in the states cannot be that corrupted if they aren't in Sweden. There are just more of them because there are more people in general. The whole Swedish population lives in New York only, that makes the statistics go berserk.

Not that I doubt what you said, but my post was more about inner freedom and how we could express that freedom without fear by following the law and rules that we make for ourselves or get from others (upbringing for example).

In order to maximize freedoms of everyone as a whole, we must necessarily limit freedoms of the individual. I wish this weren't true, but it is a necessary evil.

Perhaps if there were only one person in the world they could be truely free. But as it is, our freedoms can directly impose on anothers freedom. Therefore there must be some constraints. However, we must be vigilant in maximum individual liberty...as long as it does not impair on someone else's. This is the true battle cry of an idealistic libertarian.

When I was young I was all about pushing things to their limit. Seeing what I could get away with. I think thats natural as we find our place in the world.

Depends on how you define freedom. Freedom for me is not doing what i want to without conseqences but instead being able to do what i know i out to do.

In order to maximize freedoms of everyone as a whole, we must necessarily limit freedoms of the individual. I wish this weren't true, but it is a necessary evil.I don't think it is a evil, I think that without limits we would be very confused and a world with rules is much like a world with meaning. Rules are also interesting since it teaches us about hidden meanings, since rules are there for a purpouse but we don't allways know the purpouse.



Perhaps if there were only one person in the world they could be truely free.Sure, but if you were that (l)on(e)ly person what would you do? What would be the meaning of freedom if it wasn't meaningful to someone else? I feel that if I could do anything, then I would want someone to share that with. Cause by myself the meaning eventually fades.


But as it is, our freedoms can directly impose on anothers freedom. Therefore there must be some constraints. However, we must be vigilant in maximum individual liberty...as long as it does not impair on someone else's. This is the true battle cry of an idealistic libertarian.We won't have that maximum, since there will be a Money "concurrent" to that freedom, so that we eventually will have to buy nearly everything (maybe even if we were to walk in the woods). Why? Because there is more and more people in the world, and the worlds way of dealing with it (so that not the woods are destroyed etc.) is to tax things, so that people have to pay to do things thus decreasing the number. People will be like cars to their eyes.




When I was young I was all about pushing things to their limit. Seeing what I could get away with. I think thats natural as we find our place in the world.That's true, I did so also. I think it is because we don't want to get too limited just because we didn't know that we could do more.

Depends on how you define freedom. Freedom for me is not doing what i want to without conseqences but instead being able to do what i know i out to do.That's pretty much how I define it too.

Also one thing to think of, if there are bad consequences then there must be good consequences too (the world doesn't allways bring us bad things for what we do). In fact, if we do something good then we usually get something really good in return.