Freedom of the press?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Asguard, Feb 15, 2003.

  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5987839%5E1702,00.html

    i dont even know what to say about this one
    is the US trying to control infomation from the UN now?
    this is just a joke from a country that surposedly has "freedom of speach"

    should be freedom to say what we want you too
     
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  3. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    This is just too funny. What exactly does it say at the base of the Statue of Liberty? And don't they always try to claim the USA is the "land of the free (tm)"? And isn't there something in that nation's constitution about "innocent until proven guilty"?
     
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  5. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    What exactly did he do?
     
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  7. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    read the artical and you will know as much as i do

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    but then as NO goverment seems to be very forthcoming at the moment i doubt we will ever know if there IS a reason

    from that it seems that the US just doesnt want iraq civilans to see what the US is putting to the UN as oposed to what they are letter bombing iraq with
     
  8. sycoindian myxomatosis> Registered Senior Member

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    another american stunt... pathetic
     
  9. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    From that, we know nothing at all. We don't know if he was slamming George Bush (unlikely... everyone does that), we don't know if he was giving away the exact military composition of the units sent to Iraq. We know nothing, except what the media choose to report in the absence of fact. Boring, pointless, and information for nobody other than those who only see what they wish to see.

    For the US to single out one journalist, among many, among all of those who regard the US governement as being fools, among all of those who have nothing more to say other than "War is bad... mmkay" what exactly did he do to warrant this?

    This is something serious, covered by inept journalism, and spread by idiots as ammunition for a different agenda.
     
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  10. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i agree that if its LEGIT there is something missing, but if its legit wouldnt they be annoyed that the press is miss representing?

    i mean the press love to take eachother down as much as they do anything else

    sort of makes this suspisiuse

    after all, you dont deport a whole family for one persons crime, they are given the CHOICE to go with them but they arnt forced too

    so what is going on?

    you can dismiss it if it makes u feel confy that nothing bad is happerning in the world but that wont make it go away
     
  11. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    I edited my post about the same time you replied, Asguard.
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    if it was an aussie jerno or any other country i would agree but the fact that he is Iraqs official journalist to the offcial media in iraq makes me think its sus

    i mean how long ago was it that they were droping leaflets on iraq saying that "hey, we are the good guys, take out sudam and we will protect you, thats right, just go kill him so we dont have to invade and do it"?

    so we have the US droping propergander on iraq, not leting iraq reporters REPORT on the most important issue for the iraqie people

    dont YOU think it sounds sus?
     
  13. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    Remember, this is the country that rounded up 50,000 innocent people "of Middle Eastern appearance" on Superbowl day just in case.
     
  14. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    If he was simply "reporting" anti-US sentiment, or something equally banal they probably would have taken down every middle eastern journalist doing the same thing. There would in all likelihood be more than one.

    Face it, we're not going to know anything beyond simple conjecture. Your view is that he was saying something nasty about America, and was deported. Mine is that if so, they would have to deport more people than would fit on routine flights who are all doing the same thing.

    As to the family, nothing there says they were forced to leave. His family in all probability chose to follow... Occam's Razor.
     
  15. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    actully my view is worse than that

    its that he was reporting the TRUTH and that went against the propergander campaine being waged in iraq

    um the artical says they were TOLD to leave

    god dont you READ the links
     
  16. Tennorange Registered Member

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    The US government has people scared out of their minds right now. Gov't is paranoid, just doesn't know what to do, so they do something that tries to portray themselves as being on top of things.
     
  17. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    It does say the family was told to leave, you're quite correct. Not that it's overly relevant.

    What is this amorphous "truth" you're referring to?
     
  18. Fukushi -meta consciousness- Registered Senior Member

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    I'm telling you guys: this is a faschist regime in the white house, the letter came from ambassador John Negroponte, hmmm

    I think this explains it: you got to place this move in perspective! And you've got to see that what whe're dealing with here is a facist!

    George W. Bush’s presidency has begun with a return to the Reagan-era agenda. Of concern to those of us in the Latin American solidarity community has been his unapologetic attempt to revive Cold War diplomacy through the nomination of former Iran Contra criminals to key diplomatic posts. Reagan-era Assistant Secretary of State Elliott Abrams has been selected as the National Security Council’s senior director for democracy, human rights and international operations (a post which does not require Senate approval). Some might remember that Abrams pled guilty to two misdemeanor counts of lying to Congress during the Iran Contra hearings and was subsequently pardoned by George Bush, Sr.

    Though we cannot prevent Abrams’ return to prominence, we can keep out former U.S. Ambassador to Honduras John Negroponte who played a significant role in the CIA-sponsored terrorism of Hondurans during the Nicaraguan Contra War. The Bush administration has officially nominated Negroponte to be U.S. Ambassador to the UN, and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is preparing to hold nomination hearings before the close of July.

    This nomination is particularly egregious now that the international community has issued a vote of no confidence in U.S. human rights promotion by dropping our country from the UN Human Rights Commission. John Negroponte deliberately falsified State Department human rights reports throughout his time in Honduras. U.S. missionaries and many people of faith and conscience were murdered by the CIA-trained Honduran Battalion 3-16, which Negroponte at best overlooked and at worst oversaw. His nomination is an outrage, but sadly, it will pass through with minimal resistance unless constituents do something about it.

    2) Background of John Negroponte
    The New York Times credits John Negroponte with "carrying out the covert strategy of the Reagan administration to crush the Sandinista government in Nicaragua" during his tenure as U.S. Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 and 1985. He oversaw the growth of military aid to Honduras from $4 million to $77.4 million a year. In early 1984, two U.S. mercenaries, Thomas Posey and Dana Parker, contacted Negroponte, stating they wanted to supply arms to the Contra army after the U.S. Congress had banned governmental add. Documents show that Negroponte connected the two with a contact in the Honduran military. The operation was exposed nine months later, at which point the Reagan administration denied any U.S. government involvement, despite Negroponte’s contact earlier that year. Other documents uncovered a scheme of Negroponte and then-Vice President George Bush to funnel Contra aid money through the Honduran government.

    In addition to his work with the Nicaraguan Contra army, Negroponte helped conceal from Congress the murder, kidnapping and torture abuses of a CIA-equipped and -trained Honduran military unit, Battalion 3-16. No mention of these human rights violations ever appeared in State Department Human Rights reports for Honduras. The Baltimore Sun reports that Efrain Diaz Arrivillaga, then a delegate in the Honduran Congress and a voice of dissent, told the Sun that he complained to Negroponte on numerous occasions about the Honduran military’s human rights abuses. Rick Chidester, a junior embassy official under Negroponte, reported to the Sun that he was forced to omit an exhaustive gathering of human rights violations from his 1982 State Department report. Sister Laetitia Bordes went on a fact-finding delegation to Honduras in May 1982 to investigate the whereabouts of 32 Salvadoran nuns and women of faith who fled to Honduras in 1981 after Archbishop Oscar Romero’s assassination. Negroponte claimed the embassy knew nothing, but in 1996, Negroponte’s predecessor Jack Binns reported that the women had been captured, tortured, and then crammed into helicopters from which they were tossed to their deaths.

    According to the Los Angeles Times, shortly after Negroponte’s nomination was decided, the U.S. government revoked the visa of General Luis Alonso Discua Elvir, who was Honduras’ deputy ambassador to the UN. General Discua was the commander of the Battalion during Negroponte’s tenure as ambassador. He has publicly claimed to have information linking Negroponte with the battalion’s activities. His testimony would be invaluable in illuminating Negroponte’s collusion with Honduran opponents on Capitol Hill. In 1994, the Honduran Human Rights Commission charged Negroponte personally with several human rights abuses.

    On August 27, 1997, CIA Inspector General Frederick P. Hitz released a 211-page classified report entitled "Selected Issues Relating to CIA Activities in Honduras in the 1980s." This report was partly declassified on October 22, 1998, in response to persistent demands by the Honduran human rights ombudsman. You can read parts of the document on the National Security Archives website. Only senators and their staff who have security clearance can read the report in its entirety. It is absolutely critical that every senator read and consider the entire report before approving Negroponte’s nomination. Negroponte is highly respected in diplomatic circles as "a man who speaks five languages but knows when to keep silent." Due to his urbane temperament and broad support in the professional diplomatic field, it will be very tempting for senators to whisk his nomination through.


    3) Suggested Actions
    In order to effectively oppose Negroponte’s nomination and its tremendous repercussions, grassroots activists must be vigilant in persistently communicating their opposition with their senators. At this moment, staffers for senators on the Foreign Relations Committee are gathering materials and issuing subpoenas for the hearing on Negroponte’s nomination. Due to their placement on the Foreign Relations Committee, the following senators’ support is particularly important:

    Joseph Biden (D), DE, Chair 202-224-5042, senator@biden.senate.gov"
    Barbara Boxer (D), CA 202-224-3553, senator@boxer.senate.gov
    Christopher Dodd (D), CT 202-224-2823, senator@dodd.senate.gov
    Richard Lugar (R), IN 202-224-4814, senator_lugar@lugar.senate.gov
    Sam Brownback (R), KS 202-224-6521 senator@brownback.senate.gov
    Paul Sarbanes (D), MD 202-224-4524, senator@sarbanes.senate.gov
    John Kerry (D), MA 202-224-2742, senator@kerry.senate.gov
    Paul Wellstone (D), MN 202- 224-5641, senator@wellstone.senate.gov
    Charles Hagel (R), NE 202-224-4224, senator@hagel.senate.gov
    Robert Torricelli (D), NJ 202-224-3224, senator@torricelli.senate.gov
    Gordon Smith (R), OR 202-224-3753, senator@smith.senate.gov
    Lincoln Chafee (R), RI 202-224-2921, senator@chafee.senate.gov
    Bill Frist (R), TN 202-224-3344, senator@frist.senate.gov
    Russell Feingold (D), WI 202-224-5323, senator@feingold.senate.gov
    Craig Thomas (R), WY 202-224-6441, senator@thomas.senate.gov

    If you don’t live in one of these states, please still call your senator as the nomination will go to the Senate floor for debate and vote if it is approved in the Foreign Relations Committee.
     
  19. Balder1 Registered Senior Member

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    Out of curiosity, how many of you guys are actually contacting your representatives and senators?
     
  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    um adam and i are both aussies
     
  21. Balder1 Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, I was basically directing that to those who have reps and senators.

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