http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29249 who's with me? has this been brought up before?
Everything that ever has and will be created by man started as an idea. The Free State Project is no exception.
where are the 20,000 people going to find jobs, especially if the people moving in would make up about 11-17% of the population?
Libertarianism is for morons, in its pure form. It's basically a business-friendly version of anarchism. But neither will ever work, for the same reason democracy doesn't: not all people are equal in intellect or ability.
Seems like wishful thinking but you never know. Britney Spears music is terrible and i thought she'd never make it but look at her today. Ideas catch on and somebody once said Revolution begins with a single act of defiance...but this is not a revolutions per se.. well not a bloody one atleaset.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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well, starting one on an isladn would make more sense, theres less previous stuff there to deal with. Greg Egan wrote a sci-fi book with that in a while back. ON the other hand, it looks a bit like the way the hard left was taking over councils and suchlike here in the UK in the 1980's (although that danger seems ot have been exagerrated, look where we are now) ie, move in, concentrate on getting your people elected, and start changing things how you want them to be. The thing is, it would be interesting to watch in practise, and i woudlnt like to intervene becasue that would be undemocratic, even as I dislike libertarians. As long as they dont try it over here, hten im relaly going ot be organising against them.
Employment will likely be hard to come by at first, but jobs (like everything else) are subject to supply and demand. Some Free Staters will probably start their own businesses. Adding 20,000 people to a sparsely populated states will drastically increase the demand for goods and services (barbers, gas stations, restaurants, internet service providers, etc.), and there will likely be entrepreneurs to supply the goods and services demanded. I am already in the process of trying to start my own business (though it's not one that would meet a demand in the Free State), and would likely immigrate to the American Free State and start another business should the Free State become a reality.
Opposition to individual rights is for morons. No, it's basically not. Anarchism is a society complete devoid of an offical government. Libertarianism is a society with a government whose role is limited to protecting individual rights. How will the fact of biological inequality destroy Libertarianism?
You really think that 20,000 people moving to one state will tear the country apart? If that's the case you better deploy the Marines to the Mexican border!
The Principality of New Utopia will be an island. Yeah, look at where the British subjects are now: in a neo-socialist nation with incredibly high tax rates, outrageous petroleum prices, no right to even own a firearm for self-defense and really bad teeth.
"How will the fact of biological inequality destroy Libertarianism?" Biological inequality means most people make poor decisions most of the time. Building a society around individual rights, and leaving government regulation out of the picture, guarantees these peoples' selfishness will be vastly destructive. 'Libertarianism is for morons, in its pure form.' "Opposition to individual rights is for morons. " First, you lose ground immediately for creating a false statement out of a perceived opposite. Second, please present scientific proof of "rights." I'll be here giggling.
There will be a very strong government presence in the area of protecting individual rights. Libertarianism isn't anarchy, contrary to what the critics say. Which parts of Libertarianism do you support and oppose? The concept of rights is philosophical/metaphysical, like all socio-political beliefs. Science cannot prove the existence of individual rights, nor can it prove they do not exist.
Metaphysical conjectures must be proven to have logical merit. Please present your proof of "rights." Libertarianism: not enough emphasis on collectivism and protection of nature; it makes the same error as any democracy, which is assuming that all people are ready for self-government. They aren't, and benefit from not having to attempt it.
Logic is an element of philosophy, not science (which was what you asked for). I have no choice but to deduct points for your intellectual inconsistency. But, being the nice guy that I am, I shall make my case despite having no logical obligation to do so. It is scientific fact that humans exist and interact with their environment (other humans, trees, animals, lollipops, buildings, etc.). As a matter of logic I claim that humans have a right to their own existence and to the fruits of their interactions (labor). To put it bluntly, you don't have the right to that which is not yours. So you objection to Libertarianism really does seem to be based on a preference for group well-being over individual rights. I guess my statement wasn't so wrong after all...
Ahh, its getting personal now, maybe i struck a nerve, heheh Except that the people who were trying to take over the UK, are not the ones who are in charge now. Secondly, even the conservatives, the party of the individual, the rich and business, in the 80's were repsonsible for accelerating the trend for big gvt and centralisation. Our petroleum prices are fine thanks, thats why we get better mileage than you. Wheres your infinite supply of oil from politically and economically stable nations coming from? Our teeth are pretty good. At least we hardly even fluoridate our water either. The correlation with bad teeth is with poverty. Just like with you. And you have more poor people. Oh yes, and more in jail. Firearms? Who needs them with an equitable society and a decent police force? Ok, we're only partly there to either, but flooding the country with guns wont help anything. As for your your nice little tag, it could also be added that wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face is someones queuing up to sell more jackboots, in a mutually beneficial economic transaction, and someone will be saying but thats what happens to the inferior, they get trodden on because they dont move out the way fast enough. "There will be a very strong government presence in the area of protecting individual rights" Really? Thats not what ive seen other libertarians say, although admittedly I am not familiar with the full spectrum of libertarian thought. You do realise though, that in every developing country, tehy tend to try and get security going, ie a good army and police force. A few years later the army knocks off the gvt and takes over. And the army has better weaponry. Or perhaps you'd like to do it by local militias? Then you are sounding communistic to me. "To put it bluntly, you don't have the right to that which is not yours. " Such as air? Water? That piece of land outside that you want to build a road on? See, thats always the problem with libertarianism, it boils down to letting the competitive bastards run riot over everyone else. Just look at the rising inequality just now.
