Can you list forbidden books, plz?

1. Mein Kampf.
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thx

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Forbidden where, when and what for?
Mein Kampf isn't forbidden. It's still in print. In Nazi Germany it was practically obligatory.

It doesn't matter as long as it is now.

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Forbidden books, in what countries? Since many countries forbid many books other than what that countries leaders want their citizens to know there are thousands of books that are being kept out of the hands of many citizens around the world.

Here's one you already know, I'm sure:

The Satanic Versess.

Or how about The Anarchist's Cookbook?

Satanic Bible?

Marquis de Sade's books?

Mao's Red Book?

Hustler?

Heh, just take a look at the Vatican's list of banned books... but I don't know if there is an internet source to view it.

But forbidden where?

The ANarchist's Cookbook isn't banned.... it's just tooked down upon.

I've seen the Satanic Bible in the local library, often. Mein Kampf was an advised read, to understand the mindwork of Sir Hitler.
It really does depend on the place. Well, I'm sure, anything is available on the internet (or soon will be).

The Satanic Versess.

Any mainstream bookseller in any non-shithole country.

Or how about The Anarchist's Cookbook?

Can get an efile anywhere, a paper copy from amazon.com

Satanic Bible?

Library.

Marquis de Sade's books?

Your local Borders or Barnes and Noble.

Mao's Red Book?

Library.

Hustler?

Err...that's not a book.

Mein Kampf can be gotten off the internet or in your local library. I believe it's forbidden for sale in Germany, but can easily be gotten ahold of.

Any mainstream bookseller in any non-shithole country.

Not in Iran.

Can get an efile anywhere, a paper copy from amazon.com

I realize that none of these books I've listed are fully banned, but if any of them were I thought that the Anarchist's Cookbook was one. Doesn't it contain a recipe for methamphetamine? And wouldn't this be a direct violation of the methamphetamine antiproliferation act?

Library.

In Salt Lake City?

Your local Borders or Barnes and Noble.

In 19th century France?

Library.

In McCarthy era Washington D.C.?
Err...that's not a book.

Oh. You're right. I meant to say Barely Legal.


Ok. Ok. So, none of these books are really banned, but is any book ever really banned? Everywhere? Everytime? I just listed a group of likely candidates of books that have been or are banned here or there. If not banned then shunned. If not shunned then disapproved of in an extreme fashion.


I used to have two copies of a book on the CIA that was censored by the government. Two different editions one of which (the earlier one) was censored more heavily than the second. The publishers took the government to court and got more information declassified. It was interesting how stupid the things that made it into the second version were. Inane words that meant nothing were censored. It's as if the guy in charge of censoring was just an asshole who just went through and blanked shit out at random.

The books were printed with blank spots in them to indicate how much was censored at any particular spot.

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Not in Iran.

Non-shithole country. "Non-shithole" is the modifier.

I realize that none of these books I've listed are fully banned, but if any of them were I thought that the Anarchist's Cookbook was one

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0974458902/qid=1098415698/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-9026160-0258552?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

In Salt Lake City?

Probably, Salt Lake is weird but not totally under Mormon control.

In any case, it's not banned - and why anyone would ban such adolescent tripe is beyond me.

In 19th century France?

I don't think they had Borders Books and Music. They more likely had "Jean's Lice and Coffee"


In McCarthy era Washington D.C.?

Yup.
Library of Congress.

I meant to say Barely Legal.

I'm not into kiddie porn.

Speaking of, Peter Sotos (former 'Whitehouse', power electronics is for fags) was right hauled into court for a passage or two in a book of his - but I don't think the charge stood up. There is also a difference between prosecuting an author and banning a book. 'Lolita' has drawn protests, 'American Psycho' has been pulled out of libraries - but none 'banned' in the US.

So, none of these books are really banned, but is any book ever really banned?

Nawp.

If not shunned then disapproved of in an extreme fashion.


Then Galileo and Copernicus have had a worse reception than most of our famous 'dirty books'.

'American Psycho' has been pulled out of libraries - but none 'banned' in the US.

I have this book. On Your recommendation, of course. It's a bloody good book. Very funny. If murder ever is.

Peter Sotos (former 'Whitehouse', power electronics is for fags)

Peter Soros is full of shit.

Forbidden where, when and what for?
Mein Kampf isn't forbidden. It's still in print. In Nazi Germany it was practically obligatory.

I post-Nazi-Germany it is banned.

In the Netherlands you may possesse it, but you may not sell it. :bugeye:

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Heh, just take a look at the Vatican's list of banned books... but I don't know if there is an internet source to view it.

But forbidden where?

Where you live.

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Or how about The Anarchist's Cookbook?

Satanic Bible?

Marquis de Sade's books?

Mao's Red Book?



Thanks, I was thinking of similar stuff.

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Where I live... well, there is an index of banned books, I could look if I find it. (That does not mean I cannot posses those books, but they are not standing around in a bookshop, most others are available for sale if you specifically order them)

http://links.forbiddenlibrary.com/ Google, people.

i dont think any are band in aus, mein kempf certainly isnt

Here's a solution, just rename the thread list all the illicit books you know of...

We've already established that no books are banned in the 'Free' (bwahahaha) world.

I went to huge book sale today (All paperbacks were 3 for one dollar, all hardbacks were two-dollars). One of the things on my list to get was a copy of The Third Reich, or Mein Kampf. Or a copy of something by the Marquis de Sade (Because I'm not paying good money to read about fucking everything).

None of these books were at the sale. And this is a book sale that the public library has every year (To make more space).

fahrenheit 451 was banned for some amount of time, wasn't it? as was grapes of wrath, because of the dirty, filthy ending. :m:

"they" banned fahrenheit 451? Interesting, if its true.


Councler coffee:
"I went to huge book sale today (All paperbacks were 3 for one dollar, all hardbacks were two-dollars). One of the things on my list to get was a copy of The Third Reich, or Mein Kampf. Or a copy of something by the Marquis de Sade (Because I'm not paying good money to read about fucking everything).

None of these books were at the sale. And this is a book sale that the public library has every year (To make more space). "

In my experience of library sales, what it means is that 1) they never had a copy of any of htese books in the first place, because of their general controversiality, or 2) they do have copies and they regulalry get checked out by teenagers wanting to see what hitler had to say for himself, or wannabee sadists who've actually decided its best to go back to the original stuff.
What I've gotten from library sales is a gregory benford SF book, and a couple of rare and not very common non fiction books. Generally they are fairly pointless events to go to, given the banality of much in libraries these days.

Looking at the Forbidden Library (thanks for the link, Whitewolf - BTW, you never told me if I guessed your appearance accurately (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=668424#post668424)) it is amazing to see how well-known works of fiction can be considered offensive in the wrong place and time.

I mean, the first on the list of titles is 1984, described by some nutter in Jackson County, 1981 as "pro-communist"(!) Surely, it is the most anti-communist book in print, predicting that communism would develop into a world of absolute evil?

As for challenging The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe due to its portrayal of graphic violence, mysticism and gore... what must these censors have made of The Lord of the Rings? Or better yet, John Norman's Gor series... :D

"I mean, the first on the list of titles is 1984, described by some nutter in Jackson County, 1981 as "pro-communist"(!) Surely, it is the most anti-communist book in print, predicting that communism would develop into a world of absolute evil?"

i wouldn't say it is pro or anti communist. it is anti totalitarian. but there are no links between communism and totalitarianism.

i know one video that is banned in aus (just cos this chick eats shit [and she actualyl does - its not fake]) people decided to have it banned

My local library has books for sale every day. There's never anything good. Ladies' romantic shit in hard-cover.

(unconfirmed)

King Gorilla. In the Netherlands wasn't published until some two years ago (I hear)

It accounts transgression by an earlier Dutch monarch: King Willem the third, before and through his reign. It also recounts that he killed his father.

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but there are no links between communism and totalitarianism.

?!?!?!?

I think that anyone who suffered compulsory relocation, torture, constant espionage or "liquidation" in Stalinist Russia, under the oppression of proudly trumpeted communism, would make a definte link. (The ordinary North Korean today might do likewise.)

Can you list forbidden books, plz?

1. Mein Kampf.


Still forbidden in Germany, available here free:

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/

I would point to:

Mark Twain - Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer
William S Burroughs - Naked Lunch
James Joyce - Ulysses

I think that anyone who suffered compulsory relocation, torture, constant espionage or "liquidation" in Stalinist Russia, under the oppression of proudly trumpeted communism, would make a definte link. (The ordinary North Korean today might do likewise.)

Totalitarianism is a method, not a belief. In fact, "totalitarianism" is a Western political term for fascism.

Fascism is any political system that believes in the importance of consensus over individual material wants.

Then would you say that the definition of fascism includes old Soviet-style communism, as well as Nazism?

More devastating than bans are boycotts. That way, no one will put it on the shelves, for fear of losing money as a business...

The Hitman.

http://ftp.die.net/mirror/hitman/

Not particularly shocking, but since it deals with death, people inevitably wring their hands.