http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12441697&method=full&siteid=50143

....I always thought that U.N meant United Nations, but I suppose the U stands for Unilateral....

"White House staff will send edited copies of the declaration to the other four permanent UN Security Council members, Britain, France, Russia and China."

Propogandist distortion of reality.

Attend:

From Reuters: "Diplomats and U.S. officials said on Monday that after an intense lobbying campaign, that the United States received an early and uncut copy of Iraq's 11,807-page weapons declaration and whisked it to Washington for analysis.

The United States was then put in charge of making duplicates for its four fellow permanent members of the Security Council -- Britain, China, France and Russia -- on grounds that Washington had the best photocopying capabilities." (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20021210/ts_nm/iraq_dc)

I am constantly amazed by the ability of Americans to ignore all facts and evidence about their country and simply say "you're a conspiracy nut" or "america-basher!".

You really think "the best photocopying capabilities" covers it? Washington just happens to have the best copier, and that's it? Wake up.

We have ONLY the USA's word that the copies for the security council will be uncut, as the original is in US hands. The word of the only nation ever to nuke civilian cities. Great.

if iraq had some fucking brains they would duplicate and provide to a neutral
observer

this sickens me. the stinking two faced hypocrisy!!
attack already!!

"do you really think "the best photocopying capabilities" covers it? Washington just happens to have the best copier, and that's it? Wake up. "

adam, dont you know that everybody knows what is going on? do you think you are uncovering stuff that only you realize?

you assume bush is stupid? you assume americans are stupid?

by taking this tack you are the one that appears politically naive

do you not understand with your confrontational approach we will defend ourselves irrespective of who's right or wrong?

Originally posted by spookz

... we will defend ourselves irrespective of who's right or wrong
That is called fanaticism.

Incredulity is gradually giving way to comedy watching you folks go through your Pavlovian anti-US tirades based only on the briefest subjective interpretation of at best abreviated, second-hand information.

The pack runs from thread to thread baying and snarling at the faintest scent of blood or spore.

"Listen to me. Listen to me! The end of the world is Nigh! Run for your lives!. The giant poodle is attacking the power plant--rockets can't stop it, bombs can't stop it, we may have to use public humiliation instead of the Force!"

You guys are hysterical.

Get a grip. :rolleyes:

I'm writing my prediction, and sitting back in anticipation....

Incredulity is gradually giving way to comedy watching you folks go through your Pavlovian anti-US tirades based only on the briefest subjective interpretation of at best abreviated, second-hand information.

Where do you get the idea that I am anti-US? You say it all the time, but why? Where is the evidence? I am against Bush's foreign policy.


"Listen to me. Listen to me! The end of the world is Nigh! Run for your lives!. The giant poodle is attacking the power plant--rockets can't stop it, bombs can't stop it, we may have to use public humiliation instead of the Force!"

To which I could respond:

Now, I know what some of you must be thinking... the day has come.... we're all going down, etc. etc. But let's get away from the fantasy and look at the FACTS. FACT ONE – The threat of total destruction has kept the peace for one thousand years. FACT TWO – The chances of it failing now are therefore one in three hundred and sixty-five thousand. FACT THREE... FACT THREE – Our safety regulations are the most rigorous in the world. We are all nice to each other, we never rub each other up the wrong way or contradict each other, do we?... No, of course you're not, citizen. But let's stick to the facts. There has NEVER been a safer, more certain way of keeping the peace. So whatever's happening, you can rest assured, Hy-Brasil is NOT sinking. Repeat, NOT sinking.


The fact is, the previous paragraph of yours, although possibly a good and oft-used way to discredit dissenting voices, has no actual relation to the voices you do not agree with. Again, as is common for you, Mr G, you have simply avoided commenting on the facts supplied, and preferred to make personal attacks. It is quite juvenile and pathetic. Please pull your socks up and think before posting.

White House staff will send edited copies of the declaration to the other four permanent UN Security Council members, Britain, France, Russia and China.
This I liked. I can see written in biro '20 Nukes!!'

i cant top mr g so lemme chill

:D

:D

As I predicted....

Adam:

Satire--it's a higher form of humor used in op-eds all about the planet to bring fresh perspective to otherwise stuffy or over-burdened analyses.

Do you have anything to say, anything at all, regarding the topic? Ever? In any thread?

Even if US were to edit the declaration, Iraq must still have its original declaration to counter any form of tampering. Iraq would be real dumb to give everything away and not have a copy of its own. But I find that part about Washington having the best photocopying capabilities a bit difficult to swallow. Surely US is not the only nation that can afford state-of-art photocopiers?

so iraq comes back and says "SEE THEY HAVE NUKES" and iraq goes "no we dont, see this" and we r back to stage 1

my opinion is that if bush was seriouse he would have given it all into the hands off a 3rd party so that no one could say he tampered with it but he didnt

why?

cause he WANTS to tamper with it or cause he is to stupid to follow the same line of thought i just did?

The latest action by our Government concerning IRAQ 12000 page report with 12 CD’s, adds to the pile of “desperate actions” already made. It is actually positioning it self at the brink of hypocrisy and a foreign relation’s chaos..

…by the ignorance of our Bush, and the limbo of our government. We are making Saddam look more, and more intelligent as time goes by. It is becoming more obvious to the rest of ignorance’s in this world, how fanatically we want to fuck Saddam.

…At first, I though this was just a little Cowboy rendezvous, not a big deal and … world, please forgive us for it, but we will correct it in the next elections. But now, this is just too much!!

By the way, talking about defense ourselves …can some one tell me who’s attacking us?
…..or are we just trying to defend our selves from ignorance!

The economy is in big shit and all this is coming of our tax payers pockets,,..what’s next?

I honestly believe at the moment America is the "good guy" and any country with an unelected leader is a "bad guy". Of course that could change with just one election.

Originally posted by Asguard
my opinion is that if bush was seriouse he would have given it all into the hands off a 3rd party so that no one could say he tampered with it but he didnt
How could he tamper with it? The UN still has the original. Besides, there's another original in Vienna.

I honestly believe at the moment America is the "good guy" and any country with an unelected leader is a "bad guy". Of course that could change with just one election.

Of course you know the current US president was not elected into office but rather put their by the Supreme Court.

How could he tamper with it? The UN still has the original. Besides, there's another original in Vienna.

I was under the impression that the US took the only original.

Originally posted by Asguard
so iraq comes back and says "SEE THEY HAVE NUKES" and iraq goes "no we dont, see this" and we r back to stage 1


Asguard,

I believe you meant to say: so US comes back and says "SEE THEY HAVE NUKES" and iraq goes "no we dont, see this" and we r back to stage 1.

Yes, we would be back to square 1. They would probably be more bickering and demands for another round of declaration. And probably, all parties involved would be slightly wiser about the protocol for receiving the declaration AND ensure the UN buys state-of-art photocopiers.

Yes, the above would mean delays and more delays. And delays is much better than giving the US the green light to attack on account that their copy says Iraq have nukes. The point is there is another source of reference to compare and argue so that US does not monopolise the declaration.

Originally posted by dkb218
Of course you know the current US president was not elected into office but rather put their by the Supreme Court.

He got 50 % of the vote, consider the Supreme Court's decision as a tiebreaker. Anyway it turned out Bush got a handfull more votes than Gore (even though Gore ordered something like three recounts.

The Repub's convinced the US Supreme court on the merits.

The Dem's convinced the Florida Supreme Court on the merits.

Originally posted by Clockwood
He got 50 % of the vote, consider the Supreme Court's decision as a tiebreaker. Anyway it turned out Bush got a handfull more votes than Gore (even though Gore ordered something like three recounts.

This is true as far as it goes. However Bush ordered the recounts stopped. This was found out after he was declared the winner by the court. If he hadn't recieved more votes he'd still be the president.
The main problem however is the problems with the votes themselves.
There was the matter of the ballots making people vote for buchannan when they meant to vote for gore, along with the widespread harrasment of minority voters by the florida police. If it had been a fair election. Gore would have won easily.

Originally posted by dkb218
I was under the impression that the US took the only original. No to both. There are two original copies - one in New York and the other in Vienna. The UN still has both original copies.

thanks for corecting me

it just seems that if the US was deadly seriouse they would be avioding even the IMPLICATION of inpropriaty

i mean the secruity council makes a demand so sadam agrees and gives them what they ask for and before the experts have even had the chance to glance at it politions r saying its all crap

so the US is saying that the security council r stupid?

if they had problems with the resolution why wernt they delt with BEFORE it was handed down?

none of this gells

Asguard,

For what it's worth, I agree with you that when you take away all the pettiness about who gets the original copy or who has superior photocopying capabilities, it basically comes down to Bush just itching for a reason to kick Saddam's ass.

Oh, Bush is deadly serious alright. Just deadly serious to start a war with Iraq. Not avoiding it.

He got 50 % of the vote,

Yes, but if you look at the actual vote count, you'll find that more votes went to Gore than to Bush.

consider the Supreme Court's decision as a tiebreaker.

Doesn't make much sense to have a tiebreaker, since Gore had already won the majority of the votes.

Anyway it turned out Bush got a handfull more votes than Gore

In Florida.

Nationwide, the majority vote went to Gore. But thanks to our friends in the Erectoral Condom, Bush won anyways. Wonderful what diverse forms of governments can be called "democracies" by those they rule over, isn't it?

(even though Gore ordered something like three recounts.

Again, in Florida. If he got more votes than Bush in Florida, the electoral votes in Florida would have been different, and Gore would've won.

Now, that's one of the things that sucks most about our nation-- when the people vote somebody into orfice, it doesn't nessecarily work because of this group called the Erectoral Condom. You see, this was originally created so that if, say, a small amount of highly populated states support one candidate, but most of the states (but not nessecarily most of the people) favor another candidate, each state will vote via a previously alotted number of teats in the Erectoral Condom, so that instead of the popular vote counting, what really matters is geographical distribution. Or some shit like that.

u know something

here any candiate can order INFINITE amounts of recounts

makes it fair