For the record what statement, post, saying do would you like to be remembered for? It could be a declaration about things to come a thought about reality, a premonition, a eureka moment even, whatever it is if you want to be remembered for it then post it here.

OK for the record and after years of buddhic like meditation I would like to declare the following.

FEAR IS PREVENTING THE EVOLUTION OF THE SPECIES AND IS A VIRUS THAT NEEDS TO BE WIPED OUT.

Fear grips the psyche like a plague

It in some cases prevents further exploration into the unknown and the paranormal. (fear of ridicule)

It prevents true expression (fear of retribution and redicule)

Most of all it there is the impact it has on the mind which behaves very much like a quantum computer, which is directly linked to the quantum world and quite possibly in the future it is the mind that will allow us access to the higher dimensions that quantum physicists are declaring might well exist.
We have already seen how observation can lead to wave function collapse. In the years to come more will be understood about the mind in relation to the quantum world. My theory is that the mind also exibits and emits wave like properties into the multiverse however it is fear that causes the wavefunction to collapse and ergo prevents continuation of the creative moment. IOW the mind goes from being macroscopic (without fear) to microscopic (with fear) within the multiverse.

Lastly I believe consciosness existed pre big bang and it was fear that led to the conditions leading to the drastic nature of the big bang. IOW we were in a pure state of grace pre big bang and it was fear itself that led to the collapse of space time into a singularity.

So would you also say that lack of fear would bring about wars and chaos? For if there's no fear then everyone would be trying to take over control of wherever they live any way they could.

Lack of fear is the state our youngest of children exist in (which is why they are so much happier). They are litterally taught fear by society and their elders.

If we are talking about the possibility of a lack of fear bringing about wars and chaos then we would have to be sure that we believe in the individual declaring such an act of war. The laws that are in place prevent actions such as a lack of fear without direction eg hacking thy neighbour to bits.

What I will say is that a fearless leader is a greater leader than one who acts bassed on fear of the establishments. If you can find me a fearless leader with the right intentions then this is a step in the right direction and indeed a step toward evolution of the species.

For the record what statement, post, saying do would you like to be remembered for?

Has attained enlightenment.

Lack of fear is the state our youngest of children exist in (which is why they are so much happier). They are litterally taught fear by society and their elders. But they will respond with fear to various things. And this is good. Fear serves a purpose. It is part of pulling away from what will harm us, in ideal, untraumatized states.

Or does fear start wars and bring on chaos? The fear of others trying to take over control would lead many into wars against those who are trying to take control.

Or does fear start wars and bring on chaos? The fear of others trying to take over control would lead many into wars against those who are trying to take control.
i am quite sure that those who deny their fears are often amongst the aggressors, but this is different from saying fear is a bad thing or the root of the problem.

i am quite sure that those who deny their fears are often amongst the aggressors, but this is different from saying fear is a bad thing or the root of the problem.

There seems to be some grey ground where individuals acting without fear could present problems. Fear itself disturbs thought streams and results in a less harmonic state of mind. In a social setting as well you will find that the exibistionists seem to have more fun even though it may be frowned upon by others, eg for being to loud jumping on bar tables etc.

What I am trying to get across relates to trying to allow the sprit within to emerge for it seems to be the spirit in congunction with the mind that is able to connect to the multiverse. If the mind is fearful it doesn't seem to connect. The result when you get the combination right is a trasncendental moment, the skill remains in the length of time you can remain in the moment.

This might come as a surprise to many but killing someone that has deeply offended or transgressed me would come very easily to me. It is only fear of persecution that prevents me from carrying out these actions which in todays modern society is the right thing. Silly I know but what if in years to come someone introduces something to identify 'evil' people. Would killing be so wrong then?

What I really want is for us to a state of harmony and bliss and the first step in this is identifying disharmonious energies not capable of being at one with the multiverse. Some entities, and I have experienced this first hand, actually go out of their way (as though it is part of their agenda) to create a maximum amount of distrubance as possible. This needs to eventually be eradicated (without fear) from existance. I am not saying how as it may rather complicated!

For the record what statement, post, saying do would you like to be remembered for? .

That I kept myself straight and have walked the path to enlightenment without deterrance....And have kept my self open enough not to be deluded by the dellusional fantasies that are born in the mind....and enjoyed the wonders of this life as much as I can....
And have stayed away from charlatan idiots who feel they are above other human beings for any reason that they can think of Just to give themselves a place in life, where normaly they don't belong...

or having the biggest Johnson north of the equator.....but sadly this may not be true..lol

There seems to be some grey ground where individuals acting without fear could present problems. Fear itself disturbs thought streams and results in a less harmonic state of mind.
Fear can be the felt portion of being disturbed by something dangerous, threatening etc.

What I am trying to get across relates to trying to allow the sprit within to emerge for it seems to be the spirit in congunction with the mind that is able to connect to the multiverse. If the mind is fearful it doesn't seem to connect. The result when you get the combination right is a trasncendental moment, the skill remains in the length of time you can remain in the moment.
But perhaps that fear has something to teach us and will make the contact more holistic and lasting when it comes. exploration might reveal somethign. The fact that you or others get scared there says to me there is unfinished business. It is amazing how fears can release its grip when it is embraced rather than blamed.


What I really want is for us to a state of harmony and bliss and the first step in this is identifying disharmonious energies not capable of being at one with the multiverse. You want to be at one and your first step is to eliminate something you have categorized as negative. Good luck.

Fear can also be essential to learning

Fear can also be essential to learning

More, please. Though I agree, I am not sure how you mean it.

More, please. Though I agree, I am not sure how you mean it.

As in overcoming fears the confidence that is gained, some phobia fears are inherrant in most of us I.E. brightly coloured insects which we don't know we'ed auto-maticaly be fearful, when your in dodgy situations sometimes it is the fear that keeps you level headed (the awareness of potential danger) fireman is probably a good example i'm sure all firemen fear fire to some degree...and what you originaly said But they will respond with fear to various things. And this is good. Fear serves a purpose. It is part of pulling away from what will harm us, in ideal, untraumatized states.
fear heeds caution, caution bides time for thought.
A lack of fear in children would be like letting them play on the motorway during rush hour. i'm sure all species are raised (to a certain degree) by the basic elements of fear.

Fear can be the felt portion of being disturbed by something dangerous, threatening etc.

Yes but in normal society it is not often we are confronted with real danger that would make us truly fearfull. Of course there are different grades of fear eg fear of losing ones life v's fear of being the odd one out are two totally different emotions, although I'd say the first actually makes you feel most alive ironically, this is because not only does our adreneline kick in but also generations of in built instinct come into play. I propose that in these situations we actually make a connection with our past.


But perhaps that fear has something to teach us and will make the contact more holistic and lasting when it comes. exploration might reveal somethign. The fact that you or others get scared there says to me there is unfinished business. It is amazing how fears can release its grip when it is embraced rather than blamed.
The fear does have a little to do with it but what I have found is that it's a just a part of the journey of life. Exploration of fear as you have mentioned has led me to believe that it does interferes with the true flow of space-time and causes distortions. I don't get scared as you put it, and I only acustom blame at the highest levels of society which are perpetuating false idealisms thus leading to the prevention of the evolution of man.



You want to be at one and your first step is to eliminate something you have categorized as negative. Good luck.


True and that mission is pretty much complete. But who knows there may be bosses out there still to come. :shrug:

For the record what statement, post, saying do would you like to be remembered for?

FEAR IS PREVENTING THE EVOLUTION OF THE SPECIES AND IS A VIRUS THAT NEEDS TO BE WIPED OUT.

Fear grips the psyche like a plague

It in some cases prevents further exploration into the unknown and the paranormal. (fear of ridicule)

It prevents true expression (fear of retribution and redicule)

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you started off with this
Lack of fear is the state our youngest of children exist in (which is why they are so much happier). They are litterally taught fear by society and their elders.
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. Fear itself disturbs thought streams and results in a less harmonic state of mind.
ome entities, and I have experienced this first hand, actually go out of their way (as though it is part of their agenda) to create a maximum amount of distrubance as possible. This needs to eventually be eradicated (without fear) from existance. I am not saying how as it may rather complicated!
say that fear disturbs thought streams
Yes but in normal society it is not often we are confronted with real danger that would make us truly fearfull. Of course there are different grades of fear eg fear of losing ones life v's fear of being the odd one out are two totally different emotions, although I'd say the first actually makes you feel most alive ironically, this is because not only does our adreneline kick in but also generations of in built instinct come into play. I propose that in these situations we actually make a connection with our past.
I understand the first bit, the end bit lost me a bit
It connects us to the past
The fear does have a little to do with it but what I have found is that it's a just a part of the journey of life. Exploration of fear as you have mentioned has led me to believe that it does interferes with the true flow of space-time and causes distortions.

and end with causing space-time distortions I don't quite understand what you are trying to say if its so far-out why eradicate it like a virus and if it is instinctive (which I agree) then it has evolved within and part of us cannot understand the hinderence to evolution...unless you are scared of something...?
If you are talking about wiping out the kind of fear that say could be placed upon a nation by media or government then I could say that would be best rid other wise ....to quote Pharohmoan the fearless IOW we were in a pure state of grace pre big bang and it was fear itself that led to the collapse of space time into a singularity.
Totaly woven dude....why destroy something that led to our creation if that is what you believe....?

Most truthful thing I ever said:

Humanity sucks.

I understand the first bit, the end bit lost me a bit. It connects us to the past

Yes in a genetic way. Survival traits especially but there are others.


and end with causing space-time distortions I don't quite understand what you are trying to say if its so far-out why eradicate it like a virus and if it is instinctive (which I agree) then it has evolved within and part of us cannot understand the hinderence to evolution...unless you are scared of something...?


The space-time distortions occur if the ponds of consciousness are disturbed. For eg if a pebble represents a pure emotion and you drop it in a pond, the pond being space-time responds accordingly. In this anology I am saying that the pond becomes an emotional pool in the multiverse but you won' see the perfect ripples unless you throw the right stone with the right purpose and right emotion. Only then will the new reality open up.

The later part of your question in that fear is a hinderence to evolution is based on the fear of moving forward into the unknown. We must get rid of this fear and embrace the unknown without fear of being ridiculed, even if it means egg on some faces. However fear also collapases the 'moment' should you experience one. And I believe that a transendental moment or communication within the organism ie our multiverse is prolonged if you are not fearful of anything, even, and this is the hardest part to overcome, challenges to your own belief system.


If you are talking about wiping out the kind of fear that say could be placed upon a nation by media or government then I could say that would be best rid other wise ....to quote Pharohmoan the fearless
Totaly woven dude....why destroy something that led to our creation if that is what you believe....?

Yes, the government and the kind of fears they and conglomerates impose on the psyche are criminal, buy this or feel dejected, pay this fine or fear persecution, play this song and feel better, eat this choc and let all your problemns fad away etc etc. It is nothing short of brainbashing and washing and should be stopped.

I am not saying fear led to our creation, it led to the big bang. We were already interacting entities before the big bang.

'Humanity Sucks' Most truthful thing I ever said:

Yes Enmos we all know your solution involves wiping out the human race.
I think any success with this solution lies in the very least with keeping the cream of the crop of the human race. Take Kate Beckinsale for example

http://www.katebeckinsalefan.com/gallery/albums/pics/premieres/the-aviator-ny/smaller_the-aviator-ny-002.jpg

:bawl: I would definetly want to keep her :bawl:

Yes Enmos we all know your solution involves wiping out the human race.
I think any success with this solution lies in the very least with keeping the cream of the crop of the human race. Take Kate Beckinsale for example

http://www.katebeckinsalefan.com/gallery/albums/pics/premieres/the-aviator-ny/smaller_the-aviator-ny-002.jpg

:bawl: I would definetly want to keep her

Well, it's not a viable solution.. lol
Maybe we can keep a few hotties and set a birthrate rule.. :p

I am not saying fear led to our creation, it led to the big bang. We were already interacting entities before the big bang.

so your are saying fear led to our creation physicaly and generaly life on earth......if the big bang led us to the existence we know now....and fear led to the big bang......:crazy:

pharahmoan:
This might come as a surprise to many but killing someone that has deeply offended or transgressed me would come very easily to me. It is only fear of persecution that prevents me from carrying out these actions which in todays modern society is the right thing.
So the possibility that said adversary could punch his fist through your asshole and pull out a lung does not scare you, yes?


Silly I know but what if in years to come someone introduces something to identify 'evil' people. Would killing be so wrong then
We call that 'religion', or what Twain referred to as the "moral sense".

But that's beside the point-

Some entities, and I have experienced this first hand, actually go out of their way (as though it is part of their agenda) to create a maximum amount of distrubance as possible. This needs to eventually be eradicated (without fear) from existance.

Then wouldn't this ‘entity’ be you?
You seek to destroy any disturbance in your perfect system. Think you can do it with a tea party?

Fear makes obedience contagious. A good little liberal, you likely use and think pretty words like 'teach' and 'guide' ; the definitive goal of any system is one of control and the operative word here is 'force'. You can neither teach nor guide any social sphere into existence as the individual can only partake in this Tao of yours in the obedinat act of censoring his freedom.


This is what you egalitarians seek in your spiritual blobs.



I am not saying how as it may rather complicated
Not as much ‘complicated’ as contradictory because know what you'll need?

Fear.

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This might come as a surprise to many but killing someone that has deeply offended or transgressed me would come very easily to me. It is only fear of persecution that prevents me from carrying out these actions which in todays modern society is the right thing. Silly I know but what if in years to come someone introduces something to identify 'evil' people. Would killing be so wrong then?
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If you want to eradicate fear arn't you just changing one fear for another i.e. any so-called 'evil people' would fear everything you would stand for and fear :scratchin:for their lives (look into the spanish inquisition) and as good is the opposite (and i'm sure you believe you are good), basicaly anything that does not conform to your way of thinking....you would turn fear into terror.

contradictory

This might come as a surprise to many but killing someone that has deeply offended or transgressed me would come very easily to me. It is only fear of persecution that prevents me from carrying out these actions which in todays modern society is the right thing. Silly I know but what if in years to come someone introduces something to identify 'evil' people. Would killing be so wrong then?

So what we have here is a person who wants to eliminate his fears.

So he looks inside himself and says: this is bad and will eliminate it.

In the quote above it is clear that even offending him makes him want to kill and the only thing preventing this killing is his fear - which he wants to eliminate.

I, frankly, get a little afraid, when I read the sentence above about 'something that identifies evil people' as if such identifying processes haven't already been claimed by some (mass murderers amongst them).

I consider my slight fear - at this point - to be healthy and a warning signal that I am reading something by someone who might be dangerous. Who wants to eliminate in himself signals of caution that might prevent him from doing horrible damage to many people who 'offend' him. And also someone who will see those around him who try to caution him as fearful and distorting space time.

That you cannot see the complete contradictions in what you say just adds to the problem.

You want to be in harmony with everything. In fact you seem to be claiming you are practically there, while at the same time are not at all in harmony with your own emotions and are clearly yearning for a future where you can kill those who offend you.

Both things inner and outer you wish to kill.

This is harmony I do not want as a neighbor.

Then wouldn't this ‘entity’ be you?
You seek to destroy any disturbance in your perfect system. Think you can do it with a tea party?

Fear makes obedience contagious. A good little liberal, you likely use and think pretty words like 'teach' and 'guide' ; the definitive goal of any system is one of control and the operative word here is 'force'. You can neither teach nor guide any social sphere into existence as the individual can only partake in this Tao of yours in the obedinat act of censoring his freedom.

This is what you egalitarians seek in your spiritual blobs.
Not as much ‘complicated’ as contradictory because know what you'll need?

Fear.

It could be me yes or who ever else realises that a perfect system is possible.

I'm only a liberal when I need to be but given an opportunity to use force to disband and eradicate evil (if it could easily be identified) I would use it carte blanc. Why have you turned this on it's head by saying that 'You can neither teach nor guide any social sphere into existence as the individual can only partake in this Tao of yours in the obedinat act of censoring his freedom'. I am not censoring freedom I am trying to get accross that true freedom ie comunication with the spirit and multiverse is indeed possible. I have already identified that progression towards this goal need to be done without fear.

As for you accusing me of being an egalitarian well you've got that well wrong. I am in no way in favour of equality throughout a social system simply because there are so many morons out there. I believe that heirchal social system similar to the military works best for progression.
I don't obviously claim to have all the answers but have some that point to the erradication of parts of the human equation that are not furthering our development a la grande picture.

So what we have here is a person who wants to eliminate his fears.

So he looks inside himself and says: this is bad and will eliminate it.

In the quote above it is clear that even offending him makes him want to kill and the only thing preventing this killing is his fear - which he wants to eliminate.

I, frankly, get a little afraid, when I read the sentence above about 'something that identifies evil people' as if such identifying processes haven't already been claimed by some (mass murderers amongst them).

I consider my slight fear - at this point - to be healthy and a warning signal that I am reading something by someone who might be dangerous. Who wants to eliminate in himself signals of caution that might prevent him from doing horrible damage to many people who 'offend' him. And also someone who will see those around him who try to caution him as fearful and distorting space time.

That you cannot see the complete contradictions in what you say just adds to the problem.

You want to be in harmony with everything. In fact you seem to be claiming you are practically there, while at the same time are not at all in harmony with your own emotions and are clearly yearning for a future where you can kill those who offend you.

Both things inner and outer you wish to kill.

This is harmony I do not want as a neighbor.
P/moan is my house mate and should leave my :m: alone...
to sowhatifitsdark..
we have reached the threshold of poss underlying problems before on prevoius threads I.E. Is this blasphemy....what is human progression/evolution and poss some others.
Some threads have been put too settle some arguments p/moan and myself ....

I think P/moan if you read some your threads the problem you face with your theories is when it hits the physicality, the lack of solidity in the logic behind some concept's equates to the concept itself having no existence....
You say you have a gift...yet find nothing but problems...
And as I know you in the flesh with relation to 'killing people' we had an argument once where you would 'kill all the ugly people' and seemed to think it would make the world a more pleasent place I voiced my concerns to the reasoning behind it.......
If you start your journey a few degrees out, by the time you arrive you will be miles away....
I've said before its delusion, egotistic verging on narcissistic sometimes....
Stop...Deep Breath....And try to focus on the known rather than all belief in something you can only hope.

So what we have here is a person who wants to eliminate his fears.

Don't we all!

So he looks inside himself and says: this is bad and will eliminate it.

Inside and outside of myself and yes agree that we don't really need it in the long run.


In the quote above it is clear that even offending him makes him want to kill and the only thing preventing this killing is his fear - which he wants to eliminate.
Kind of, it would have to be a grave trespass against my person or sense of morality.


I, frankly, get a little afraid, when I read the sentence above about 'something that identifies evil people' as if such identifying processes haven't already been claimed by some (mass murderers amongst them).
Ah you say you're afraid, again this is fear of the unknown in action. For me it makes perfect sense to erradicate evil, but I don't know if there would ever be a way to identify it without question. I mean if i could put on a pair of shades that somehow spots evil people (very hypothetical I know) ,yes I would eradicate those people an mass as they would and are a hinderence to the overal progression of the species.

I would not trust a mass murderers perception of evil as this in many cases is most likely to be distorted. From our perspective the acts of a killer may seem evil. And this is the problem perpective. In the eyes of the killer his acts may even be pure to him and it is the killer that may perceive he is actually doing good by eliminating an evil deed commited against him or others. I hope that we as a species will eventually agree on what is evil and eliminate it from existence, it just isn't productive or necessary. And if we can do this without fear than all the better.


I consider my slight fear - at this point - to be healthy and a warning signal that I am reading something by someone who might be dangerous. Who wants to eliminate in himself signals of caution that might prevent him from doing horrible damage to many people who 'offend' him. And also someone who will see those around him who try to caution him as fearful and distorting space time.

Yes but the crux of the matter is you do nothing to alleviate your fear most likely because 1) you are not capable of killing another, or 2) You fear the consequences. Don't get me wrong I am not saying kill your next transgressor or anything like that. But your act of being fearful is not a natural or necessary act in the multiverse. There is no fear is the end goal and with that will come progression at a rapid pace.


You want to be in harmony with everything. In fact you seem to be claiming you are practically there, while at the same time are not at all in harmony with your own emotions and are clearly yearning for a future where you can kill those who offend you.
I am in harmony with my emotions and i have few fears that interfere with my thought processes.

Isn't that what the Americans are doing against the axis of evil in the Middle East. America has been trangressed has it not and retaliated accordingly surely Amercians are and have killed those who have offending them even the offenders themselves are claiming that America is evil. So who is right?


Both things inner and outer you wish to kill.

This is harmony I do not want as a neighbor.
Yes killing the inner fear leads to inner peace and harmony, killing the outer fear leads to outer peace and harmony. This to me is not a bad thing it is more along the lines of common big picture sense

P/moan is my house mate and should leave my :m: alone...
we have reached the threshold of poss underlying problems before on prevoius threads I.E. Is this blasphemy....what is human progression/evolution and poss some others.
Some threads have been put too settle some arguments p/moan and myself ....I think P/moan if you read some your threads the problem you face with your theories is when it hits the physicality, the lack of solidity in the logic behind some concept's equates to the concept itself having no existence....

Don't forget much of the stuff I am trying to explain is not proveable yet but I wouldn't go as far as saying it has no existence.


You say you have a gift...yet find nothing but problems...
And as I know you in the flesh with relation to 'killing people' we had an argument once where you would 'kill all the ugly people' and seemed to think it would make the world a more pleasent place I voiced my concerns to the reasoning behind it.......
If you start your journey a few degrees out, by the time you arrive you will be miles away....
I've said before its delusion, egotistic verging on narcissistic sometimes....
Stop...Deep Breath....And try to focus on the known rather than all belief in something you can only hope.

Yes, I kind of said that statement to get a reaction out of you. But there is a bottom line to it and that is I also believe in the persuit of beauty and that is just one 'extreme' measure to introduce it.

Kind of, it would have to be a grave trespass against my person or sense of morality.
Your sense of morality is questionable, you...want to kill evil people to eradicate fear and feel it is righteous. yet ,do not see that you would become fearful and 'evil' in the process of your actions so the problem is internal not external




Yes killing the inner fear leads to inner peace and harmony, killing the outer fear leads to outer peace and harmony. This to me is not a bad thing it is more along the lines of common big picture sense
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Yes but killing the 'inner fear' (fear of persecution for murder) to then kill the outer fear(to commit murder,kill evil people) is insane, you put aside common morals on killing/murder for the purpose of commiting murder to "bring peace and harmony" yet all you are doing is becoming what you want to eradicate...
its a hypocritical circle:bugeye:

This might come as a surprise to many but killing someone that has deeply offended or transgressed me would come very easily to me. It is only fear of persecution that prevents me from carrying out these actions which in todays modern society is the right thing.

So you think that this person who "has deeply offended or transgressed" you, who was so powerful to be able to "deeply offend or transgress" you will just stand there and let you kill them?
And what satisfaction do you hope to get from killing them? What if you somehow manage to overpower them, and while they are in their last breaths, they still laugh at you and mock you?


What I really want is for us to a state of harmony and bliss

a perfect system is possible.

Really? As long as living beings eat, there can be no harmony, no bliss.

Don't we all!

Not me. Nor do I want to deaden all the pain receptors in my skin. I want to know I am about to get burned long before I smell burning flesh.

Inside and outside of myself and yes agree that we don't really need it in the long run.
How would you know? You still have fears. In fact it seems they are keeping you from killing people. Also: speak for yourself.


Ah you say you're afraid, again this is fear of the unknown in action. For me it makes perfect sense to erradicate evil, but I don't know if there would ever be a way to identify it without question. I mean if i could put on a pair of shades that somehow spots evil people (very hypothetical I know) ,yes I would eradicate those people an mass as they would and are a hinderence to the overal progression of the species.
This hypothetical situation has very little to do with reality. And it makes you sound so clean.
I would not trust a mass murderers perception of evil as this in many cases is most likely to be distorted.
You have just claimed you would commit mass murder. I do not trust your perceptions.


From our perspective the acts of a killer may seem evil. And this is the problem perpective. In the eyes of the killer his acts may even be pure to him and it is the killer that may perceive he is actually doing good by eliminating an evil deed commited against him or others. I hope that we as a species will eventually agree on what is evil and eliminate it from existence, it just isn't productive or necessary. And if we can do this without fear than all the better.Perhaps evil began because we did not listen to our fears, but rushed ahead, our first act of violence.


Yes but the crux of the matter is you do nothing to alleviate your fear most likely because 1) you are not capable of killing another, or 2) You fear the consequences. Don't get me wrong I am not saying kill your next transgressor or anything like that. But your act of being fearful is not a natural or necessary act in the multiverse. There is no fear is the end goal and with that will come progression at a rapid pace.
There are other ways to deal with fear. I'll give you a hint. Your child comes to you, scared, perhaps of bullies, perhaps of a dream. I, personally, do not have the agenda to eliminate his fears. I comfort my child and address the problem. Again, taking away fear is as stupid as the worst of allopathic medicine: dish out something that suppresses the symptoms.

I am in harmony with my emotions and i have few fears that interfere with my thought processes.You are not in harmony with those. You are not in harmony with these people who you see as transgressors and offendors. If you are in harmony with what is around you then you understand your connections to it and do not present yourself as a (not scared) victim. Nor would you see these offenders and transgressors as random events you hope to one day react to with violence.

There is a connection between the violence in you and the evil you see. Note: I am not saying this is not evil. I am saying that you, in particular are making claims that, if true, would make you speak with much greater responsibility taking. If you are so much in harmony, how the hell can you find so much evil and have these people you feel the need to kill?

Isn't that what the Americans are doing against the axis of evil in the Middle East. America has been trangressed has it not and retaliated accordingly surely Amercians are and have killed those who have offending them even the offenders themselves are claiming that America is evil. So who is right?I think you, as the advocate of mass killing, need to answer that one. Perhaps you could see your reflection there. Can you truly not see yourself in their hardened reactions and sureness that they can mark out evil?


Yes killing the inner fear leads to inner peace and harmony, killing the outer fear leads to outer peace and harmony. This to me is not a bad thing it is more along the lines of common big picture sense
And it is an old habit of ours that has fed war, racial hatred and controlling women for a few examples. It is an old answer and it has not helped us either out there or in here.

A tired jingle. Not unique at all.

Once we kill the bad ones we will be happy.

That some people have not yet noticed this does not work
is
scary.

Your sense of morality is questionable, you...want to kill evil people to eradicate fear and feel it is righteous. yet ,do not see that you would become fearful and 'evil' in the process of your actions so the problem is internal not external

My gosh I mention just one possible method of eradicating something which goes towards the process of making the world a much better place. To some extent I am just throwing the chips in the air to see where there land. In reality no I don't have a simple solution to the problem of this world being vastly inferior to how i perceive reality can actually be.






Yes but killing the 'inner fear' (fear of persecution for murder) to then kill the outer fear(to commit murder,kill evil people) is insane, you put aside common morals on killing/murder for the purpose of commiting murder to "bring peace and harmony" yet all you are doing is becoming what you want to eradicate...
its a hypocritical circle:bugeye:
No it's not insane it's just an idea The British in the 1800's had the idea of shipping criminals to Austrailian, no doubt this was thought of as bizzare in it's initial stages. It's easier to say yes we'll just live with it as and when it comes along thus possible preventing us from what might be possible should we choose to steer reality in a different direction.

So you think that this person who "has deeply offended or transgressed" you, who was so powerful to be able to "deeply offend or transgress" you will just stand there and let you kill them?
And what satisfaction do you hope to get from killing them? What if you somehow manage to overpower them, and while they are in their last breaths, they still laugh at you and mock you?

Well no dah. As for satisfaction I don't know whether I'd get any from it yet as I haven't killed anyone? I wouldn't give two hoots in the hypothetical example of killing someone, them still being alive and laughing at me. I'd just keep them alive longer to prolong the agony. That is because I am not weak.




Really? As long as living beings eat, there can be no harmony, no bliss.

Really interesting statement. What is the basis behind it?

Not me. Nor do I want to deaden all the pain receptors in my skin. I want to know I am about to get burned long before I smell burning flesh.

Yes of course, I haven't mentioned this scenario because it is so obvious.


How would you know? You still have fears. In fact it seems they are keeping you from killing people. Also: speak for yourself.
Fear of idiots existing in the same reality as me yes I have fears and I fear that humans will forever stay in the dark if nothing DRASTIC is done EVENTUALLY.



This hypothetical situation has very little to do with reality. And it makes you sound so clean.
It has everything to do with reality and the continuation of it. It may well be that in order to make an involutionary jump one of the pieces of the puzzle is the irradication of fear. Ya just don't know.


You have just claimed you would commit mass murder. I do not trust your perceptions.
Well if that makes you jump or uncomfortable in the scenario I gave then you then you're one of the :eek: weak ones. :eek:


Perhaps evil began because we did not listen to our fears, but rushed ahead, our first act of violence.

IMO the best thing you've said so far, quite possible and quite tragic at the same time. Again it may be that this most early of premises as I have said, actually led to the big bang.



There are other ways to deal with fear. I'll give you a hint. Your child comes to you, scared, perhaps of bullies, perhaps of a dream. I, personally, do not have the agenda to eliminate his fears. I comfort my child and address the problem. Again, taking away fear is as stupid as the worst of allopathic medicine: dish out something that suppresses the symptoms.
You are not in harmony with those. You are not in harmony with these people who you see as transgressors and offendors. If you are in harmony with what is around you then you understand your connections to it and do not present yourself as a (not scared) victim. Nor would you see these offenders and transgressors as random events you hope to one day react to with violence.

You know why a child gets scared of bullies? Because they don't stand up and comfront the bullies either because they are too weak or they haven't been taught too fight or defend themselves. Your right I don't present myself as a scared victim and the last part also is probably true BUT given the opportunity to change society what I have talked about would be on the table.

P/moan is my house mate and should leave my :m: alone...
I'd wager I can type Pharaohmoan faster than you can type P/Moan.

P/moan sounds like someone with syphilis trying to use a lavatory.

In reality no I don't have a simple solution to the problem of this world being vastly inferior to how i perceive reality can actually be.
I questioned your sense of morality...?and questioned your method..? you havn't anwsered and what does this relate to....?

No it's not insane it's just an idea The British in the 1800's had the idea of shipping criminals to Austrailian, no doubt this was thought of as bizzare in it's initial stages. It's easier to say yes we'll just live with it as and when it comes along thus possible preventing us from what might be possible should we choose to steer reality in a different direction.
Your idea is a hypocritical circle 'with no point'...again you have deterred from what i say your method portrays...

given the opportunity to change society what I have talked about would be on the table.
......:bugeye: You are mistaken....its unsubstantiated nonsense:wallbang:

You know why a child gets scared of bullies? Because they don't stand up and comfront the bullies either because they are too weak or they haven't been taught too fight or defend themselves. Your right I don't present myself as a scared victim and the last part also is probably true BUT given the opportunity to change society what I have talked about would be on the table.
"Comfront"? What would that be, an aggressive hug?

Really? As long as living beings eat, there can be no harmony, no bliss.

Really interesting statement. What is the basis behind it?

Look at yourself, look around. We eat and we get eaten.
We are always on the lookout to eat, and someone or something else is always on the lookout to eat us. There is constant competition over who will survive.

Look at yourself, look around. We eat and we get eaten.
We are always on the lookout to eat, and someone or something else is always on the lookout to eat us. There is constant competition over who will survive.

Is it fixable or are we just laying down the same old cycle for the gererations to come? The problem is very very few people even think about fixing this paradigm of sterility we have been born into.

The problem is very very few people even think about fixing this paradigm of sterility we have been born into.

That you have been born into, the problems that you percieve are only relevent to you, your paradigm is sterile,pointless

you started this post with-

FEAR IS PREVENTING THE EVOLUTION OF THE SPECIES AND IS A VIRUS THAT NEEDS TO BE WIPED OUT.
It in some cases prevents further exploration into the unknown and the paranormal. (fear of ridicule)
It prevents true expression (fear of retribution and redicule)

half way through you say-
I don't get scared as you put it, and I only acustom blame at the highest levels of society which are perpetuating false idealisms thus leading to the prevention of the evolution of man.

these are 2 conflicting statements which you put to explain your EUREKA momment...?

you also state that-
you don't get scared
you started a thread a while ago called "what is your greatest fear"..you started it with....
I've asked this question because I believe fear can be a real hinderence when it comes to reaching inner harmony, Plus I'm just plain curious to know what is your greatest fear?

Just to start off mine is the fear of not evolving.

I think you are fighting a losing battle with your "mission to evolve" and are blaming a 1001 things for your failiure "to evolve" .

I read somewhere that an amino acid takes 30,000 years to mutate or change, but I might be off. it's taken, thousand's of years of slow evolution to reach the point where we are now, yet from your other post's you are not contained by this science and have "supposedly" discovered that fear is why we evolve so slowly and seem to have evolved in one lifetime more than the homo sapiens have combined....

For the record,to me this boils down to an inferiority complex which is puctuated by (potentialy violent) frustration at (evil/non-believers in your belief) human beings....who you blame for your failiure to 'evolve' even though a lot of what you claim i.e. fear caused the big bang etc, is pap...:shrug: you should write pulp comics or sci-fi books not try and persuade the species to follow your methods into madness

That you have been born into, the problems that you percieve are only relevent to you, your paradigm is sterile,pointless

Yes but my concern is that people are blinded about the potential that actually exists.


you started this post with-

these are 2 conflicting statements which you put to explain your EUREKA momment...?

you also state that-
you don't get scared
you started a thread a while ago called "what is your greatest fear"..you started it with....


I think you are fighting a losing battle with your "mission to evolve" and are blaming a 1001 things for your failiure "to evolve" .

OK so I must allow for at least one fear but it's a healthy one. As for blame it's because I see the species as holding me back from reaching happier state of existence. Reality as we see it is suffocating for me, that's because my eyes are open and I can see the manipulation that goes on in controling the masses. I am part of that mass.


I read somewhere that an amino acid takes 30,000 years to mutate or change, but I might be off. it's taken, thousand's of years of slow evolution to reach the point where we are now, yet from your other post's you are not contained by this science and have "supposedly" discovered that fear is why we evolve so slowly and seem to have evolved in one lifetime more than the homo sapiens have combined....

Yeah good point and it kind of jults me a little. I guess with the advent of technology I am expeting a evolutionary jump to occur much like when birds first sprouted wings.


For the record,to me this boils down to an inferiority complex which is puctuated by (potentialy violent) frustration at (evil/non-believers in your belief) human beings....who you blame for your failiure to 'evolve' even though a lot of what you claim i.e. fear caused the big bang etc, is pap...:shrug: you should write pulp comics or sci-fi books not try and persuade the species to follow your methods into madness
Fine, that is your opinion.