I'm impressed with some of the new posters on the board, so perhaps I will try to communicate once again. I gave up trying to crack the binary prison of fundamentalist thinking here, a while back.

The totality of life is mysterious and doesn't lend itself easily to sharp distinctions produced by linear thinking, nor the tautologies that try to ensnare it. It is dynamic, quixotic, slippery, and clearly not subject to experimentation, (as we are)

Anyway, here is the blog.

Gambiatista--Are you really buzzy, and am I the only one who may know what you're talking about?

Spirit of the Beehive

One thing I find both fascinating and instructive is the collation of correspondences between what could be called boundary experiences. I hope to do some analysis of this in a forthcoming post - something of a follow-up to our earlier study of Fatima - but in the meantime, here's a brief data dump of one such correspondence.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/12/spirit-of-beehive_04.html

I am confident all of that means something to you. I have no doubt it will mean something to others. Whether that means that it has meaning in the larger scheme of things is another matter.
May I ask you a question? In all likelihood you will consider it to be aggressive, presumptuous and narrowminded. Might you be confusing ill thought out concepts, expressed in pseudo-mystical phrasesology with imaginative thinking and visionary capacity?

it says: science isnt the only tool we have.
pretty simple i thought.

I bow to your immense powers of perception. I shall remain in my deluded state that believes I can recognise vast piles of fecal matter when I see them.

Frankly, I don't know what this is about. My name is mentioned here, but spelled wrong. GAMBIA?

No offense, Agitprop. I will read the link you gave shortly.

Peaces!

I bow to your immense powers of perception. I shall remain in my deluded state that believes I can recognise vast piles of fecal matter when I see them.

as it should very well be. the universe is now at equilibrium. we are at peace.
the troll has quieted

hooray!

Gambiatista--....... and am I the only one who may know what you're talking about?

really? how are you special?

:)

really? how are you special?

:)

Read linked article about the "hive". Whether G is referring to this or not, in his "go away I'm buzzy byline", I don't know, that's why I qualified statement with --MAY know what you're talking about.

oh, pardon
i speculated that g had a vibrating veggie up a nether
unlike yours, mine is devoid of any subtleties ;)

i am still flirting with the link. impressions.....

a craft that "buzzes"
the initial association would be to an electric motor

i see no point on commenting on the other "buzzes." the contexts in which they arise is of no real interest to me at this time. if i comment on dmt, i might end up telling you guys about how my aspirin abuse caused tinnitus. (i am ok)

screw the buzzing
the fatima stuff has some meat i can bite into
await, in trembling fear, my vicious diatribe ;)

You obviously don't know how to take a compliment graciously Gustav, as my opening post implied.

oh, pardon
i speculated that g had a vibrating veggie up a nether
unlike yours, mine is devoid of any subtleties ;)

What are you talking about?

shakespeare never repeats and neither do I :mad:

jes frikkin kiddin guys

Frankly, I don't know what this is about. My name is mentioned here, but spelled wrong. GAMBIA?
Peaces!
Oh! Gambattista is very finnicky about his name......and very proud! He doesn't like his name to be misspelt.....so be careful!

OOOps I made a mistake!

Frankly I don't know what this thread is about!

My first impression was (and it still is) that Both Giambattista and Gustav have one thing in common:

Both can stay calm when both the sides of an argument are caught in a cross-fire and lighten the atmosphere with their jokes or lighter comments --- often seeking to ease the tension.

I know that Giambattista can also sometimes say a lot with his 'light' and funny comments, which sometimes I cannot say so effectively with a lot of 'knowledgable' and 'deeper' words. I don't know about Gustav ..... not so well.

Is this thread about this? I guess not!

Buddah, The thread is actually about the link I posted. I find the site Rigorous Intuition very interesting, though I certainly don't agree with Jeff Wells on every score. He does seem to be able to see patterns, if sometimes vague ones, in disparate forms of information. He can cross categorize, which is really helpful in building a loose framework for the esoteric, if some kind of "science" is ever to built around it.

I would fault him for focussing too much on ritual child abuse and not appreciating the subtleties involved in reality construction of the developing mind. People who are involved in the study of suppression of memory in childhood, fail to credit therapeutically encouraged false memory syndrome. It's not an either/or situation. Both occur. Wells illuminates suppressed memory over false memory and to be fair he should take a more balanced approach here.

The link I posted is about the buzzing sounds that accompany some paranormal events, including some abductee events, Fatima, etc...

Look forward to your views on Rigorous Intuition, Buddah.

Agitprop
Why should so many people have a boundary experiences about the same things like UFO's or religious experiences?
-Non believer will say;
They are all pretentious or crazy.
-I will going to say;
Everything is a truth.
Why should people lie? Will you?

Frankly I don't know what this thread is about!

My first impression was (and it still is) that Both Giambattista and Gustav have one thing in common:

Both can stay calm when both the sides of an argument are caught in a cross-fire and lighten the atmosphere with their jokes or lighter comments --- often seeking to ease the tension.

I know that Giambattista can also sometimes say a lot with his 'light' and funny comments, which sometimes I cannot say so effectively with a lot of 'knowledgable' and 'deeper' words. I don't know about Gustav ..... not so well.

Is this thread about this? I guess not!

Dear Buddha1,

You are correct. I do stay calm. Rarely do I stoop so low as to call people intellectual toddlers, as I have seen here recently. Many others do not have the restraint. And they have demonstrated admirably how able they are to stoop to personal insults. Calling someone else a fool does not make them one. I don't need to say anything more on that subject.

You are a fool.

You are a fool.

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about?

When I get to that point I usually ignore the content of the entire thread (like for instance the content of this one is beyond me)

Usually when this occurs with other architypes of people it causes them to troll, since when they suffer from such "Interpretation Block" they tend to start calling each other names and trying to antagonise each other because to them it's "Fun" to them.

Perhaps this was a cleverly weight posts do do just that, or perhaps the material was "directed" for those that "want to believe".

Although all this "want to believe" stuff is very much like "I want to be rich and sell you this", however thats a topic of discussion for a completely different thread.

I was helping you make your case. But it appears you may have been mistaken. Thus:

You said - Calling someone else a fool does not make then one.
I said - You are a fool

Apart from some mild irony this was primarily meant to demonstrate that saying it did, indeed, not make it so.
Your response may indicate, however, that saying it can occasionally ferret one (a fool) out of the woodwork.

Well done.

oh
moderator stryder
is ophiolite trolling then?

When I get to that point I usually ignore the content of the entire thread (like for instance the content of this one is beyond me)

Usually when this occurs with other architypes of people it causes them to troll, since when they suffer from such "Interpretation Block" they tend to start calling each other names and trying to antagonise each other because to them it's "Fun" to them.


Troll? And who might that be? I'm certainly not calling anyone else names.

Who exactly is doing this?

Please. Tell me. Who is a troll? Who's doing the name-calling? I'd really like your input.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/12/spirit-of-beehive_04.html
Intellectual toddlers!

Of course this never happened. I was there in every instance. Never happened. Let us pray to science that it will guide us down the path that is true away from all intellectual toddlers and would-be liars. Let us pray!

Patience. It is foolish to be over anxious. Stryder may or may not return, and may or may not dispense his wisdom on the matter. Asking that he do so twice in twenty five minutes might be thought rude in some quarters. [Though not in others.]

Tell me, while we are waiting, are you so afraid to be thought a troll?

Please. Tell me. Are you so afraid to be thought a troll? I'd really like your input.

Agitprop
Why should so many people have a boundary experiences about the same things like UFO's or religious experiences?
-Non believer will say;
They are all pretentious or crazy.
-I will going to say;
Everything is a truth.
Why should people lie? Will you?

Contact is made, then the culture and/or the individual imposes meaning on what has just occurred. There seems to be a positive feedback loop that occurs between contactee, or abductee and the phenomenon itself, and beyond that, the broader culture. The contactee/abductee's belief is what may be of genuine interest to the "alien" presence. The "visitors, or aliens (or whatever you'd like to call them) can easily adjust their appearance and actions to reinforce any culturally or independantly held belief. They may in fact be "alien" but not necessarily from outer space. These boundary experiences are cultural archetypes, not the broader type that Jung describes. The space alien is a modern archetype. Tribal Africans who have what we would think of as alien visitaion, call them the ancestors. The Hopi and Navaho who experienced a similar experience, in the past, spoke of the "ant people".

It's possible that the night time visitation actually shares more in common with shamanistic initiation experience than an intergalactic event.

You say that everything is a truth. I'm guessing but think what you allude to is that events that seem outrageous and out of place share at least a few of the common features of what we call "real" experience. Though I've got to say Qorl, some people make things up, and other people simply aren't reliable in reporting their experiences, let alone discerning what their experiences actually are. Let's just say, I'm open but highly skeptical myself.

Trolls come in many forums, they don't just post lude or subjective material to incite aggressive responses, they can also do so from being a little too over inquisitive, like for instance posting the same post and contents twice with a margin of difference (When only one would suffice)

You have to note it's the "small things that matter", and some of these small things might be accidental but none the less they get right up peoples noses, which in turn makes them thing those accidents are on purpose.

Quite frankly I call a troll someone that degrades conversation through to arguement and then just name calling by not interpreting things with a full picture and only identifying details that stand out to them.

When I was younger I undertook it to get a better understanding of how to Philosophically debate something this means not just taking a FOR arguement but also aggressively using an AGAINST statement.

Such methods have been used in Science too, For instance Einstein came up with many speculated theories which he then set out to Disprove.

For you in the "I want to believe in aliens" camp, this would be like you going out of your way to prove why aliens can't exist (here, there or everywhere), which after following to great lengths, where you can find no more reasons of why they can't exist then gives you a view of all the "factors" that are usually missed from people just stating they exist.

"Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains, however improbible must be the truth." - Sherlocke Holmes (Fict. Character from Sir Arthur Conen Doyles classic novels, which is often quoted differently each time)

Quite frankly I call a troll someone that degrades conversation through to arguement and then just name calling by not interpreting things with a full picture and only identifying details that stand out to them.

and in this thread would one of them be ophiolite?

stryder
what is your issue with this thread?
you are not modding here yet so explain the relevance of your posts to the op
do you feel an obligation as moderator to address questions directed at you?

Please. Tell me. Are you so afraid to be thought a troll? I'd really like your input.

Not at all.

I don't know who would consider me one in the first place.

I am a troll, I put evidences in links and I explain as much as I could, but I can not interpret things as I will like to, to do it better. Of course nobody really put any thinking in my links or didn't even check it out. I am a troll when alien life is in question. I am no different from non believers, they do the same thing but on a different way. Some on a political level, some on belief or disbelief. Why? We believe what we believe and nobody could convert us. I am the biggest troll in your eyes and I know that. You know people religion is about faith that God give us and faith is all about will and belief. If you're not sure about last sentence take a research on celebrities or history. Again, I'm trolling because I didn't interpret things.
Peace

Agitprop
I understand you man. Could you understand this?
http://home.pacbell.net/joerit/docs2/world/belgium.htm

You cannot troll a thread that has no visible function. Therefore no one on this thread can be a troll, save agitprop, who may understand what he meant in his opening post.

You cannot troll a thread that has no visible function. Therefore no one on this thread can be a troll, save agitprop, who may understand what he meant in his opening post.

Thats very true I apologise to Agitprop if he feels his thread attempting to discuss what so many have probably shouted down has been hijacked. (Which is kind of why I posted in the first place)

Agitprop
I understand you man. Could you understand this?
http://home.pacbell.net/joerit/docs2/world/belgium.htm

Very intriguing and I'm well aware of the numerous well documented sightings around Belgium in the early nineties. It remains one of the most compelling testaments to the notion that we aren't alone on this planet. Whether this type of multiple witness sighting is directly linked to abduction events is another question. There may be some kind of associative link. The only conclusion we can come to is that more questions are generated than anything else by these events. Thanks for responding.

Stryder. No need to apologize. There's something in the nature of the unknown that rouses emotions and bangs away on the absurdity button. Tis all fodder for the grist mill.