View Full Version : Food and Water security. Do we care about our health?


TimeTraveler
09-10-06, 07:52 AM
Food and Water security.

In a previous thread we had a discussion on the morality of eating meat. This discussion lead to a discussion on the health benefits of eating meat.

The discussion included both the ethical and rational element.

This thread is open to all, rational beings, moral beings, or a combination of both, should discuss this issue as I see this issue as an issue that unites all humans, regardless of race, gender, culture. Food and water, the primary resource are also the least secure.

Food quality, has continously gone down, as food continues to become more and more dirty over the years. As a result, cancer rates are increased. Pesticides, chemicals, additives, are all added to food.

Recently the FDA authorized adding viruses to food.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/18/edible.virus.ap/
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5346563

This is only the most recent additive, the list of additives and pesticides on food is long, this recent addition opens the door to viruses as additives on meats.

So, regardless of if you are a vegetarian or a meat eater, you still aren't going to be healthy. Vegetarians have to deal with pesticides sprayed on their crops, meat eaters have to deal with viruses sprayed on their food, and all of us drink the same dirty water from the tap.

So the question is, are we rational enough to care about our food and water supply? So far I don't see anyone doing anything, people are eating and behaving the same so I'm bringing the debate to the "intelligent" community. What say you all on food and water security?

In my opinion, it's not the federal governments job, people should secure their food locally, but if people are not willing to do that, eventually even if there are no food shortages, the food made may become too dirty to continue eating. Even if there are no water shortages, if there is a shortage of clean water thats just as bad. (Imagine if coke and pepsi were the cleanest water we could find).

Genetic modification is another related issue, as we genetically modify crop, do we have any idea of the effect it will have on the eco-system? The morality of genetic modification is based on what?

The rational arguement would be, is genetic modification really needed? The only rational arguement for it is that it's profitable, very much like the arguement for tabacco.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4701.htm

Neildo
09-10-06, 08:04 AM
All that just to save 500 people a year? Heck, looks like I'll be giving up lunch meats and hot dogs from now on. I don't trust those. I'm sure a couple years from now we'll finally find out those viruses are bad for us, heh.

- N

Baron Max
09-10-06, 08:18 AM
...as I see this issue as an issue that unites all humans, regardless of race, gender, culture.

Ain't no issue that will unite all humans!! In fact, it seems that the very basis of human life is to disagree ...sometimes violently! :)

Baron Max

Fraggle Rocker
09-10-06, 11:25 PM
I prefer to look at civilization as a package deal. The total death rate from all causes has been dropping steadily in the First World for several generations. Which means that the life expectancy of all age groups--particularly the very young and the very old--has risen astoundingly due to science and technology.

I was the first generation to live without the fear of polio. My dad's car was one of the first in town to have seat belts. My gratitude is sufficient to forgive the world's chemical engineers for a few preservatives.

America has become so safe that self-induced causes of death like lung cancer, drunk driving and outright suicide are making it into the Top Ten in some age groups.

TimeTraveler
09-11-06, 06:21 AM
I prefer to look at civilization as a package deal. The total death rate from all causes has been dropping steadily in the First World for several generations. Which means that the life expectancy of all age groups--particularly the very young and the very old--has risen astoundingly due to science and technology.

I was the first generation to live without the fear of polio. My dad's car was one of the first in town to have seat belts. My gratitude is sufficient to forgive the world's chemical engineers for a few preservatives.

America has become so safe that self-induced causes of death like lung cancer, drunk driving and outright suicide are making it into the Top Ten in some age groups.


What are the benefits to being pro-death? Do you like the idea of watching your friends and family die?

I don't see how your viewpoint is in any way rational. What are YOU going to eat and drink?

Roman
09-11-06, 01:40 PM
I don't see how your viewpoint is in any way rational.

I don't see how trying to live forever is anyway rational.

TimeTraveler
09-11-06, 02:57 PM
I don't see how trying to live forever is anyway rational.

When the hell is trying to die rational?

Roman
09-11-06, 04:42 PM
When the hell is trying to die rational?

Who made any such claim?
Do you honestly believe the only alternative for trying to live forever is to try to die?

TimeTraveler
09-11-06, 05:49 PM
Who made any such claim?
Do you honestly believe the only alternative for trying to live forever is to try to die?

If you don't want to live forever, what are you fighting to live for?