Rasmussen has:

Romney 25%
McCain 20%
Giuliani 19%.

Clinton 48%
Obama 24%

I hope Romney and Clinton take it. I think they will be the noms. I could be wrong.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/florida/election_2008_florida_republican_primary

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/florida/election_2008_florida_democratic_primary

I'd hope to see the good Dr. Paul get at least 15%. Also wonder how much of SuperBowl sunday is going to be bought up by Paultards.

Rasmussen has:

Romney 25%
McCain 20%
Giuliani 19%.

Clinton 48%
Obama 24%

I hope Romney and Clinton take it. I think they will be the noms. I could be wrong.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/florida/election_2008_florida_republican_primary

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/florida/election_2008_florida_democratic_primary

I'm thinking that if Romney and Clinton win, then they'll take they'll get the noms... but I think that Giuliani has been cam paining hard there, he might get it.

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Yeah, he's been spending all his time and money there but I don't think he will take it. FL is VERY diverse and Rudy is running on his 911 record. Since the war is on the back burner (issue-wise) since it's going so well, we have moved on to the economy.

FL's economy is in the pits with its housing market crashed out. Romney will appeal to these people.:)

Rudy is not a great economy-issue candidate. He did a good job cleaning up some of the crime in NY but he let it be a sanctuary city which some Repubs will never forgive.:(

I just don't see him in the WH. Too much baggage, cancer, 3 wives, too liberal, unattractive....

It's much too soon to call it. Terrorists still hold the deciding vote. They can act time they like between now and November 10, to tip the election irreversibly to the most reactionary media candy-date. Well, if they really want Rudy, they might want to act soon.

The over-riding question in this election, and in the future of the United States, is whether or not USAmericans will learn how to rationally deal with terrorism, before we're provoked to self-inflicted Constitutional and economic destruction.

How do you propose we "rationally" deal with terrorism? What do you suggest we do that we are not doing now? I am REALLY interested in your answer. And "talk/negotiate" with them is NOT an option. They have their Koran telling them to convert/kill/destroy us in the name of Allah. How would you propose we get around that one?:confused:

"How do you propose we "rationally" deal with terrorism?"

By doing our investigative homework before dishonoring and endangering ourselves with redneck justice, collateral shitstorms, and strategic over-reach. By advancing the rule of law as equally in the cases of domestic and internatonal crimes, we can proceed rationally and effectively in isolating and destroying any criminal gang. First and foremost, we must not lapse into national criminality, lest our investigations and prosecutions be delegitimized in corruption, and lest our international partners be compelled to desert us.

"What do you suggest we do that we are not doing now?"

Defend our Constitution, as is our duty: Honor our treaties and moral commitments; Show due respect for the sovereignty of nations; Renounce reprisals on general populations; Renounce torture; Show due respect for the basic tenets of international law, including Habeus Corpus.

"And "talk/negotiate" with them is NOT an option."

I could agree, depending on your degree of focus and specificity in identifying "them" (the perpetrators of a particular terrorist crime).

I was hoping for something a little more specific. We don't have time to do a lot of what you suggest when we have cels of evil muslim terrorists here, now, plotting our demise.:(

We've been doing our homework for years. We did it before 911 and the evil muslim terrorists still hit us.

How do you propose we "isolate and destroy" said evil muslim terrorists? And remember, you have the liberal terrorist-supporters against ANYTHING you propose.:(

Your second paragraph included nothing to help us stop terrorists right here, right now. And it would have done nothing to prevent 911 or further attacks. These vile animals are hell-bent on death and destruction to the USA. :mad:

You KNOW who they are.

Pick a more appropriate thread, and I'll mop the floor with you over this topic there.

Dare I suggest http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=76552 ?

Florida? My guess is that Romney will lead, followed by McCain. I'm surprised that Clinton has such a supposed lead. I would have suspected Obama to lead.

Originally posted by hypewaders
"How do you propose we "rationally" deal with terrorism?"

By doing our investigative homework before dishonoring and endangering ourselves with redneck justice, collateral shitstorms, and strategic over-reach. By advancing the rule of law as equally in the cases of domestic and internatonal crimes, we can proceed rationally and effectively in isolating and destroying any criminal gang. First and foremost, we must not lapse into national criminality, lest our investigations and prosecutions be delegitimized in corruption, and lest our international partners be compelled to desert us.

"What do you suggest we do that we are not doing now?"

Defend our Constitution, as is our duty: Honor our treaties and moral commitments; Show due respect for the sovereignty of nations; Renounce reprisals on general populations; Renounce torture; Show due respect for the basic tenets of international law, including Habeus Corpus.

"And "talk/negotiate" with them is NOT an option."

I could agree, depending on your degree of focus and specificity in identifying "them" (the perpetrators of a particular terrorist crime).

Well said. Happy mopping!

Originally posted by angrybellsprout
I'd hope to see the good Dr. Paul get at least 15%. Also wonder how much of SuperBowl sunday is going to be bought up by Paultards.


What the hell is a Paultard?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=paultard

Thanks, but I asked you, not Google. Though you referred me to Google, it told me nothing specific. I have the impression that it's a word used by people who support Ron Paul to describe those who oppose Ron Paul. So your indirect question was about how many people might be advertising during the Super Bowl that are not in favor of Ron Paul for President... right?

Why did you use the word Paultard?
It doesn't seem to help his campaign or highlight the values of his supporters.
It's like calling someone a retard and then wondering why they don't agree with you.

Thanks, but I asked you, not Google. Though you referred me to Google, it told me nothing specific. I have the impression that it's a word used by people who support Ron Paul to describe those who oppose Ron Paul. So your indirect question was about how many people might be advertising during the Super Bowl that are not in favor of Ron Paul for President... right?

Why did you use the word Paultard?
It doesn't seem to help his campaign or highlight the values of his supporters.
It's like calling someone a retard and then wondering why they don't agree with you.

Exact opposite actually, it was originally meant to insult Paul supporters. Paul supporter + retard = Paultard. It's now used as both an insult by the anti-Paul crowd, and as a self-identification by Paul supporters (sort of like the weird nigga/nigger thing).

Strange... so they call themselves retards for being a supporter for Ron Paul?
But somehow it doesn't have any connection to being a retard if they themselves are retarded.
To use your comparison...

A Paul supporter called Paultard by self/other Paul supporters = good
A Paul supporter called Paultard by non-Paul supporters = bad

A black person called a nigger by other black people = good
A black person called a nigger by non-black people = bad

Well, I guess it's time to split hairs again. I'm a supporter of Ron Paul who thinks that the word Paultard is bad.
Just like some black people think the word nigger is bad. How is either identity a positive thing?

Don't get on my case about racism, it was comparing a slightly similar statement, and I don't think that ashura is trying to offend either.

....LOL ....I iz confUze

sandy, why do you want Romney and Clinton to gain the nomination?

From what I've read, you've said that your politics are conservative, and that you support the Republican party. I'm interested to know the reasons why Romney gets your vote, if he does, and why he doesn't otherwise. My guess is that as far as the liberal politicians go, for the Democratic party, you just don't want Obama in the White House.

It's much too soon to call it. Terrorists still hold the deciding vote.

OK, so we gonna sit in fear for 9 months to see if anything would happen.

Romney is not likely to win FL, it is between Rudy and McCain, I say McCain.

The nominations will go to Hillary and Romney and Hillary will be POTUS....

"I hope Romney and Clinton take it. I think they will be the noms. I could be wrong."



I thought you had a problem with Mitt being a Mormon? And why do you want Clinton to win?

On the plus side, if Romney wins the Presidency, the space program might get a boost. He might start pushing for manned missions to Kolob.

sandy, why do you want Romney and Clinton to gain the nomination? From what I've read, you've said that your politics are conservative, and that you support the Republican party. I'm interested to know the reasons why Romney gets your vote, if he does, and why he doesn't otherwise. My guess is that as far as the liberal politicians go, for the Democratic party, you just don't want Obama in the White House.

I've said this a dozen times already but I'll say it again. I studied them all. Analyzed them all in depth. The only one who is presidential is Romney. He is the only one I trust with the muslim problem, the criminal alien problem, and the economy. No one else feels right.

I don't like Hillary. I don't trust Obama.

I think Romney can beat Hillary. Too many people don't like her and her abomination of a husband. :(

I could be wrong on all of this. I am not convinced/happy/excited about any of them. :(

Sandy, if you are a republican and you can't stand illegal immigrants, are you aware of Ron Paul's border policies?
He's about the toughest on securing the southern border of all the candidates.
I'm guessing you watch fox news and haven't heard much about him before?

wtf?
you know Romney is a mormon right?
what are his positions on border protection/immigration?

Ron Paul has some good ideas. He's too weird and too weird-looking to be taken seriously. :rolleyes:

I know Romney is a Mormon. That's the biggest thing I don't like about him.
He was against the shamnesty bill and alienated a lot of people. Good for him. :bravo:
He is for securing the border and enforcing current laws to force criminal aliens to leave the country (forcing employers to not employee criminal aliens and in deporting them when they are caught). He opposes driver licenses, all social benefits, and in-state tuition/government funds for college for criminal aliens.

I don't watch much tv news.

how is he weird, or weird looking? how is he weirder looking than gw bush?
you know he was a gynaecologist/obstetrician in the past?

http://bp3.blogger.com/_0wRJjXvyZ1I/R40gOgdmwQI/AAAAAAAABLs/pB90oIqNQdk/s1600-h/moderate3.jpg

The Dem's take on Miami Vice.

how is he weird, or weird looking? how is he weirder looking than gw bush?
you know he was a gynaecologist/obstetrician in the past?

Just look at him. Have you no impression/feel/reaction to that face?

http://www.ronpaul.org/
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only&rss
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronpaul2008/1396492967/

:eek:

Just look at him. Have you no impression/feel/reaction to that face?

Not really.

Speaking of Florida, seems like Giuliani is starting to be less confident about a Florida win. He's changed his rhetoric from must-win-Florida to Florida-will-be-an-important-win, seemingly because he doesn't want to talk himself into the hole of bowing out of the race if he loses Florida.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/giuliani_on_florida_mustwin_no.html

I think the Republicans have a pretty good crop of canidates this year compared to previous years. But I am just not certian how well they can be trusted. Cannidates have a way of saying one thing and doing another.
I used to think McCain was a straight shooter...not so certian anymore. But I think McCain will win Florida.

Not really.

Speaking of Florida, seems like Giuliani is starting to be less confident about a Florida win. He's changed his rhetoric from must-win-Florida to Florida-will-be-an-important-win, seemingly because he doesn't want to talk himself into the hole of bowing out of the race if he loses Florida.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/giuliani_on_florida_mustwin_no.html

Rudy and Huck are short on money. They will be out soon. Hopefully McCain will too. He is no Republican.:(

Rudy and Huck are short on money. They will be out soon. Hopefully McCain will too. He is no Republican.:(

I agree about Rudy and Huck, but McCain's got too much momentum from his early wins. He, Romney and Paul are definitely going to stick around for the long haul.

Dr. Paul has plenty of money :), but the bias media has been out to destroy him since day 1 :(

Dr. Paul has plenty of money :), but the bias media has been out to destroy him since day 1 :(

I wouldn't say plenty of money, but enough to put up a good fight yes.

I just hope the blimp can fly at the Super Bowl, and a few ads are bought. That and I've finally started to see Paul posters in my area.

With all due respect because I really like you guys, Paul has no chance to win. The majority of Republicans just think he's too weird and out there. Tancredo had some great ideas about immigration but was also too way out there to be considered seriously. Paul may be the greatest guy with some awesome ideas, but he just can't win.

With all due respect because I really like you guys, Paul has no chance to win. The majority of Republicans just think he's too weird and out there. Tancredo had some great ideas about immigration but was also too way out there to be considered seriously. Paul may be the greatest guy with some awesome ideas, but he just can't win.

The truth is I find it hard to tell how much of this "he-can't-win" perception is natural and how much of it is artificial. For example, Paul did get 2nd in the Nevada primary. When it came to the recent Louisiana caucuses, out of all the candidates Paul had by far the biggest turn out. He's raised the most money in Q4 out of all the Republican candidates, and that's even more startling when you consider that the average donation to his campaign was somewhere in between $50-$100 dollars. He's also building up some steam now that everything he's said about the economy is being proven right. He's also won a bunch of straw polls and has gotten some pretty nice endorsements (Barry Goldwater Jr. being a prominent one).

At the same time, he didn't do so well in New Hampshire, Iowa, Michigan or South Carolina. Considering however that those states were split two to McCain, one to Romney and one to Huckabee, it's clear that there's no Republican favorite. We don't know what's going to happen in Florida or on Super Tuesday.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there's still no clear indication as to where his candidacy is going. I'm definitely not confident that he'll win, but I'm not completely confident that he's going to lose either. I don't think it's right to write him off just yet. After all, in the race for the nominee you should vote for who you think would be best, not who you think will win. That's saved for the general election. :p

I can definitely understand where you're coming from though.

I called the last two POTUS elections before they were even held. I won a ton of money. :D I could be wrong on this one but I doubt it. :)

I called the last two POTUS elections before they were even held. I won a ton of money. :D I could be wrong on this one but I doubt it. :)

Is Romney your bet then for 2008?