View Full Version : Fish antibiotics safe to take?


Xerxes
08-16-09, 06:16 PM
Alright... so I have a tooth abscess and my dental appointment isn't until wednesday. I can feel it flaring up and have no time to visit the doctor. It's going to be majorly inflamed tomorrow without some antibiotics.

Is it safe to take fish medicine? I bought some powdered maracyn (200mg erythromycin, not ideal antibiotic for an abscess, but it'll do.) Only problem is I don't know what other chemicals are in there. I just need something to tide myself over until wednesday. Is this safe?

Enmos
08-16-09, 06:24 PM
It may not work at all.
And it's most likely not tested for side effects on humans.
I'd not take it if I were you.

Hang in there dude, I know what it's like.

Edit: Also, it's not without reason that they always say finish your antibiotics treatment (sorry, couldn't find the right word).
Not that it would matter much in this case.

iceaura
08-16-09, 06:33 PM
Most dentists handle emergency services for their patients - give them a call.

Enmos
08-16-09, 06:33 PM
Most dentists handle emergency services for their patients - give them a call.

Not for that they don't. At least not where I live.

Orleander
08-17-09, 03:56 AM
wouldn't it be better to take meds meant for a mammal instead of a fish?
But I think taking meds meant for an animal is incredibly stooooopid!

Enmos
08-17-09, 03:56 AM
Xerxes, are you still there.. ?

:runaway:

cosmictraveler
08-17-09, 04:03 AM
I can feel it flaring up and have no time to visit the doctor

You have no time? :shrug:

If I were having a problem with a abscess or pain in my teeth, I'd find time to take care of it. My health takes priority over anything else, except family, to insure that I am OK and can work without discomfort or pain. You are being foolish if you do not go right away to see the dentist.

Orleander
08-17-09, 04:03 AM
...You are being foolish if you do not go right away to see the dentist.

or a vet

John99
08-17-09, 04:10 AM
well lest see:

no one ever died from abcess but i would say taking fish meidaction can be lethal. if you were going to do something drastic cut it open with an Xacto knife. not that i recommend that either but in the gum region i would bet you would have a mixture of pleasure and pain. thats if the abcess is very close to the surface.

cosmictraveler
08-17-09, 04:13 AM
well lest see:

no one ever died from abcess but i would say taking fish meidaction can be lethal. if you were going to do something drastic cut it open with an Xacto knife. not that i recommend that either but in the gum region i would bet you would have a mixture of pleasure and pain. thats if the abcess is very close to the surface.

People in the past HAVE died from having abcesses! Before there were dentists people couldn't get their teeth fixed properly and in many instances died becose of infections that set in. That was only a few hundred years ago as well.

John99
08-17-09, 04:18 AM
you are right. i should have said untreated, i would think it would take a long time for an abcess in the mouth to kill someone. maybe even years.

Enmos
08-17-09, 05:39 AM
well lest see:

no one ever died from abcess but i would say taking fish meidaction can be lethal. if you were going to do something drastic cut it open with an Xacto knife. not that i recommend that either but in the gum region i would bet you would have a mixture of pleasure and pain. thats if the abcess is very close to the surface.

Nice advice, that can get you blood poisoning.

Xerxes
08-17-09, 07:24 AM
Thanks for the advice. Still alive and haven't taken the fish powder yet. It's surprisingly not inflamed so far.

Out of stubbornness thinking it would heal, I've dealt with repeated infections in that tooth for almost 4 months, think I can hang on two more days even without antibiotics.

Xerxes
08-17-09, 07:26 AM
or a vet

LOL :p

Enmos
08-17-09, 07:27 AM
Thanks for the advice. Still alive and haven't taken the fish powder yet. It's surprisingly not inflamed yet.

Out of stubbornness thinking it would heal, I've delt with repeated infections in that tooth for almost 4 months, think I can hang on two more days even without antibiotics.

Yea, it will not heal. Believe me I've been there.
Also, the chance that antibiotics alone will cure it decreases the longer you wait. I would see a dentist today if I were you.
They may have to do a little 'operation' anyway though.

Asguard
08-17-09, 07:34 AM
firstly septic shock can and does kill. you can die from a paper cut that isnt properly treated, an abscess certainly can.

secondly if you just need something to help till you can get into treatment (couple of days) then try a combination of an anti inflamtary like ibprofin (definitly not for a long time with an infection because you are hampering the bodies own fight) , a narcotic like codine and a local antasetic like bonjella (sorry dont know the generic name but if you ask for a product for teething children)

joepistole
08-17-09, 08:58 AM
Asguard is right, infections do need to be resolved. Taking fish medicine is likely not going to help as you have to have the correct dosage. And my guess is you are much bigger than your fish tank.

As Asguard mentioned, dosage is very important. If you undertreat you breed a more drug resistant strain which will be not only more difficult for you to resolve but for others who may catch the same bug down the road.

The best advice is to get to a dentist as soon as possible so that you can be treated properly.

Xerxes
08-19-09, 11:11 PM
Thanks for the kind warnings. Heh, you guys scared me a little.

Long story short I tried getting to the doctor but they were all closed, and I certainly wasn't going to wait three hours at the hospital, so I used the antibiotics - which tasted absolutely horrible for the record. The fish meds did a decent job keeping the infection down until seeing the dentist today.

Stryder
08-20-09, 05:02 AM
Thanks for the kind warnings. Heh, you guys scared me a little.

Long story short I tried getting to the doctor but they were all closed, and I certainly wasn't going to wait three hours at the hospital, so I used the antibiotics - which tasted absolutely horrible for the record. The fish meds did a decent job keeping the infection down until seeing the dentist today.

Don't blame us if you start growing scales and fins, and find breathing outside of water difficult.

(Please note while this is a Science related website, we do like to joke on occasion... and this would be one of those occasions)

joepistole
08-20-09, 07:14 AM
Well the whole story sounds a little fishy to me :)

Enmos
08-20-09, 09:13 AM
Thanks for the kind warnings. Heh, you guys scared me a little.

Long story short I tried getting to the doctor but they were all closed, and I certainly wasn't going to wait three hours at the hospital, so I used the antibiotics - which tasted absolutely horrible for the record. The fish meds did a decent job keeping the infection down until seeing the dentist today.

Did you tell the dentist what you did ?
And, how do you know it wouldn't have stayed down regardless ?

Idle Mind
08-20-09, 01:09 PM
Thanks for the kind warnings. Heh, you guys scared me a little.

Long story short I tried getting to the doctor but they were all closed, and I certainly wasn't going to wait three hours at the hospital, so I used the antibiotics - which tasted absolutely horrible for the record. The fish meds did a decent job keeping the infection down until seeing the dentist today.
Does it say what the antibiotic is? I have no doubt that you would not experience any problems as a result of having used it -- antibiotics target bacteria, not the animal they are being administered on, so they are likely the same across the board no matter which creature you're treating.

Enmos
08-20-09, 02:25 PM
Does it say what the antibiotic is? I have no doubt that you would not experience any problems as a result of having used it -- antibiotics target bacteria, not the animal they are being administered on, so they are likely the same across the board no matter which creature you're treating.

Some antibiotics can have nasty side-effects. Plus, people can be allergic to certain antibiotics.. and those were developed and tested for human usage!

Or perhaps even worse, what if the fish antibiotics were of a similar type as the one he got from the dentist ?

Idle Mind
08-20-09, 05:42 PM
Some antibiotics can have nasty side-effects. Plus, people can be allergic to certain antibiotics.. and those were developed and tested for human usage!
Untested doesn't mean dangerous, in theory.


Or perhaps even worse, what if the fish antibiotics were of a similar type as the one he got from the dentist ?
Why would that be worse?

darksidZz
08-20-09, 08:49 PM
For some reason I really love this thread ha!

Asguard
08-21-09, 04:59 AM
um idle as i understand it antibotics are designed to work with the immune system (thats what its usless to give them to someone who has had radiation theorpy to remove the immue system). I could be wrong but thats my understanding

Enmos
08-21-09, 06:40 AM
Untested doesn't mean dangerous, in theory.
No, but the point is that you don't know.


Why would that be worse?
Huh? Because it could give the bacteria a head start in becoming resistant.

Xerxes
08-21-09, 01:13 PM
Does it say what the antibiotic is? I have no doubt that you would not experience any problems as a result of having used it -- antibiotics target bacteria, not the animal they are being administered on, so they are likely the same across the board no matter which creature you're treating.
Enmos,
Nope, didn't bother telling the dentist. I knew it wouldn't stay down because I could see and feel the progression and by monday night it was in rough shape. I was also starting to experience stiffness in the neck.

The infection is gone now. The dentist said that all the white blood cells flooding into the area would kill the abscess and he's right so far. Funny thing is I got a pretty bad case of pink eye last night. Related perhaps?

Idle Mind,
it was 200mg erythromycin in a packet. AFAIK there were no other ingredients other than *maybe* some kind of sulfur preservative. I used less than 1g a day. I did experience some minor chest pain but that was probably from stress or spread of the infection, not the antibiotics.

Idle Mind
08-21-09, 03:53 PM
um idle as i understand it antibotics are designed to work with the immune system (thats what its usless to give them to someone who has had radiation theorpy to remove the immue system). I could be wrong but thats my understanding
Work with the immune system by helping to damage the bacterial population and make it more manageable, perhaps.


Huh? Because it could give the bacteria a head start in becoming resistant.
He saw the dentist the next day, though. If he had used it once and waited a week, then yes, but if it was a similar prescription from the dentist, it would just be an additional dose at the beginning.

It's not ideal, obviously, but it will work in a pinch.

Erythromycin is prescribed to people.

Enmos
08-21-09, 06:07 PM
He saw the dentist the next day, though. If he had used it once and waited a week, then yes, but if it was a similar prescription from the dentist, it would just be an additional dose at the beginning.
Well yea, if that's true.


It's not ideal, obviously, but it will work in a pinch.
It probably didn't work at all though. Most antibiotics are area-specific, or so I have been told. Or maybe that's just done to prevent people from getting the same antibiotic too often ? Dunno..


Erythromycin is prescribed to people.
Ok, but we didn't know what antibiotic it was when I wrote that.

Enmos
08-21-09, 06:10 PM
Enmos,
Nope, didn't bother telling the dentist. I knew it wouldn't stay down because I could see and feel the progression and by monday night it was in rough shape. I was also starting to experience stiffness in the neck.
The neck pain was probably from the stress though.


The infection is gone now.
Good! :)


The dentist said that all the white blood cells flooding into the area would kill the abscess and he's right so far.
Yea, but you did receive antibiotics right ?


Funny thing is I got a pretty bad case of pink eye last night. Related perhaps?
Pink eye ? Did your eyes turn pink or is it something specific that I'm not familiar with ?

Xerxes
08-21-09, 06:30 PM
A minor update- slept 16 hours last night and had massive diarrhea, but feel waaaaay better right now.

Enmos,
Pink eye aka Conjuctivitis. I got something in my eye at work, but that happens all the time and never gets infected.

Nope, he said I didn't need antibiotics.

Erythromycin targets gram positive bacteria which abscess are usually 2/3 made of, or so I've read. Again, probably not ideal, but I could definitely feel it knock back the infection.

Enmos
08-21-09, 06:44 PM
A minor update- slept 16 hours last night and had massive diarrhea, but feel waaaaay better right now.
The diarrhea is probably from the antibiotics.


Enmos,
Pink eye aka Conjuctivitis. I got something in my eye at work, but that happens all the time and never gets infected.
Ah ok.


Nope, he said I didn't need antibiotics.
Wtf ? Did he open it up and got out the puss at least ?


Erythromycin targets gram positive bacteria which abscess are usually 2/3 made of, or so I've read. Again, probably not ideal, but I could definitely feel it knock back the infection.
Actually it's far from ideal, especially since you didn't receive any antibiotics from your dentist.
Infections like that can easily come back at any point.

Was the abscess visible from looking at you ?

birch
08-21-09, 06:58 PM
Actually, it's probably exactly the same formulation as for humans just packaged for fish and marketed as such. probably from the same pharmaceutical companies as well.

i purchased ivermectin for horses from a feed store for five dollars to use on my cat who had a bout with a type of mange (mites involved). i knew this from my own research of the symptoms and a lot of it was online which is a great tool with a plethora of relevant info out there. funnily, ivermectin usually needs a prescription but not when it comes to horses (loophole).

i found a website where it explained the correct dosage for other animals and how to administer. it was actually pretty simple and it was oral with just a very miniscule amount in comparison to what you would administer a horse. i saved hundreds of dollars where it was have been treated pretty much the same, perhaps with a shot of ivermectin, with repeated interval shots, had i taken it to the vet. of course, not all things can be treated at home and so i'm not saying you should not take pets to vets.

the important thing is to be sure you know what you are doing, do the research on side effects and such and know the correct dosage. besides that if you aren't sure, always err on the side of caution and never overdo it or assume because that's much worse to fix, cause serious harm or even be deadly.

for those on a tight budget, especially now and for those who don't have health insurance etc, there are alternatives out there. again, make sure you do plenty of research and find all the pros and cons and KNOW what you are taking. you can ask the store also, some will be very knowledeable about what's in their products where you purchase them.