The story regarding the indictment of Blair, Bush, Franks and others on war crimes charges is reasonably well-known.
Now that the belgian government has changed their law to avoid having to try those cases, a group of japanese lawyers is bringing another case against Bush in Tokyo:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20030701b3.htm

Yeah, it's open season for hunt of the politically incorrect. I bet you wont see them procesuting the Burma junta or KSA.

There's no sport in that. And no publicity, either.

So because we can't get all the bad guys all at once, we shouldn't even try to get any of the ones we can get?

There's hardly been any any attempt to get the "other" bad guys.

Any to go against Bush on afghan warcrimes ... gimme a break. He should be tried for his execution while govnor of Texas.

I consider Bush/Blair as more important targets than others mainly because Bush has ravaged two nations with a death toll of innocent people that is much larger than what happened on Manhattan.
:(

It was so terrible to live through the death back in 2001, and thank to Bush we haven't had any break in killings in 2002 and 2003.

There's hardly been any any attempt to get the "other" bad guys.

That's simply false. As an example from Japan, where this thread started:
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/6-25-2003-42176.asp

Any to go against Bush on afghan warcrimes ... gimme a break. He should be tried for his execution while govnor of Texas.
As inhumane as they were, they were within the law of the state where he was. The war crimes in Afghanistan, however, are being tried under a higher set of laws.

The point of the Afganistan liberation was not to get even but rather to prevent future 9/11s so the death toll is beside the point.

Superfudd,
Pah. I deride your pathetic trolling. Your parents were brothers.

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
So because we can't get all the bad guys all at once, we shouldn't even try to get any of the ones we can get?

You guys complained when we invaded Iraq that we were only attacking one evil out of many. If you dont want us to focus on one enemy at a time then you shouldnt be able to either. What made the change of heart?

If somebody tries to try bush or blair for warcrimes I will personally send them a list of others they should also put through trial. It would only be over a thousand names long. For starters.

Trying Bush/Blair for warcrimes is essentially a PR stunt. Its not as if Bush will be turned over to the Japanese if convicted. Its purpose(which I think is a noble one) is to bring attention to the fact that Bush/Blair and co. are guilty of warcrimes. People who follow the news already know about the Burmese govt. There are sanctions against them. No PR stunt is needed.

Clockwood,
If somebody tries to try bush or blair for warcrimes I will personally send them a list of others they should also put through trial. It would only be over a thousand names long. For starters.
Only if you listed the individual soldiers involved in violating the Geneva Convention. And you'd have a lot of US military on that list.

You guys complained when we invaded Iraq that we were only attacking one evil out of many. If you dont want us to focus on one enemy at a time then you shouldnt be able to either. What made the change of heart?
'scuse me? What a load of crap Clockwood. Go ahead if you can and point out where I said that. Because I know I never said anything so idiotic.

This is a stupid and worthless exercise. It is a political stunt and the world should see it that way. If Japan is against the 'war on terror'...they should simply say so.

Originally posted by fadingCaptain
This is a stupid and worthless exercise. It is a political stunt and the world should see it that way. If Japan is against the 'war on terror'...they should simply say so.
My guess is that this is, like in Belgium, the work of a specific prosecutor or prosecutors rather than of the government in general.

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
So because we can't get all the bad guys all at once, we shouldn't even try to get any of the ones we can get?


Sparks, How about we go for Gerry Adams & Martin McGuinness, after all they have more blood on their hands than Blair, Bush & Ghengis Khan combined.

Ahh, tyhat reminds me. Theyve found something that can unite Unionists and Republicans! They staged a roof top protest together at a maximum security prison in NI at the weekend, complaining about the poor conditions.

intelligence will take the fall for bush's misdeeds. i hope however he panics and engages in a cover up. that would nail his ass for sure

gerry adams? my hero? you gotta be outta your mind! maybe japan should frikking indict the british govt! look at what they did to my man!!!

*For his activities in the ongoing effort to secure equality of treatment for all Irish men and women Gerry was interned in 1972 on the Maidstone, a British prison ship known for its inhumane conditions of overcrowding and brutality.

*He was again arrested and held without trial from 1973 to 1977

*Over the years Gerry's family has also been targeted by unionist forces. His brother-in-law was killed by the British Army; his brother was shot by the British; several family members have been imprisoned, and his wife and son narrowly escaped injury when a loyalist bomb attack was carried out at their home. To the present day Gerry's health continues to be adversely affected by the years of punishment inflicted during his internment and from his closest call with death, when his body was riddled by automatic rifle-fire in a loyalist death squad attack in downtown Belfast.

a pox on the scum sucking, back stabbing english animals!!!!!!

edit: i wonder if i should have done the entire quote in bold.;)

Although I need to read up on it, i understand gerry adams was involved in it all quite deeply. With regards to Northern ireland, I have long wanted to put the extremists and terrorists in a field together and let them kill each other, rather than anyone else.

gerry adams? my hero? you gotta be outta your mind! maybe japan should frikking indict the british govt! look at what they did to my man!!!

You have just got to be an American, only an American who thinks he is an Irish American ( my great grandmother was Irish, which makes me more Irish than most so called Irish Americans and I am NOT Irish) would even begin to think that Gerry Adams is anything other than the son of Satan.

The man is a piece of shit. simple as that.

Originally posted by guthrie
Although I need to read up on it, i understand gerry adams was involved in it all quite deeply. With regards to Northern ireland, I have long wanted to put the extremists and terrorists in a field together and let them kill each other, rather than anyone else.

Absolutely, then Nuke them afterwards to ensure no survivors. The religious conflict in Northern Ireland is one of the most pointless, stupid, and quite frankly, nonsensical situations in recent history. Another problem is that the Jocks ( scottish) are just as bad with there own protestant Vs catholic hatred.

Most English people simply cannot even begin to understand their petty tribal quarrels. Thank god for the English, we keep the more uncivilised elements of our society under control because of our numerical superiority. The Irish keep the numbers down by slaughering each other, The Scots are fortunately well dispersed because more scots live outside Scotland than within (says a lot for living in Scotland) and the Welsh. well they are too busy trying to remember how to play rugby.

Oohh, your so lucky im a nice person, otherwise id be over to give you a glasgow kiss. Where do you think the name guthrie comes from?

"Most English people simply cannot even begin to understand their petty tribal quarrels."
yes you can, you have football, and Rotherham versus sheffield rivalry, or both of them versus Leeds.

"Thank god for the English, we keep the more uncivilised elements of our society under control because of our numerical superiority."
Your society? You seen how many jocks are in gvt?
Besides your uncivilised elements go abroad to get uncivilised, see parts of Spain for the results.

"The Irish keep the numbers down by slaughering each other,"
Nope, by emigration. Or by Cromwell coming over and slaughtering them. and so on ad nauseam.

"The Scots are fortunately well dispersed because more scots live outside Scotland than within (says a lot for living in Scotland)"
Well, the weather does get a bit bad, but the simple fact is that Scotland is economically redundant. Were it in say Luxembourgs position it might be doing better. Although I think youll find thats people who claim scots ancestry, rather than living breathing scots.

"and the Welsh. well they are too busy trying to remember how to play rugby."
Possibly, i dont know much about the welsh.

The religious conflict in Northern Ireland is one of the most pointless, stupid, and quite frankly, nonsensical situations in recent history

religious conflict? you english scum are illegally occupying irish land!

I'm Irish ,living in Wales, and i think the only thing wrong with Wales is all the people loyal to the leader of another country{THE QUEEN}.I cant wait till Plaid Cymru get elected to the Welsh Assembly and gain independence. As for the I.R.A. ,perhaps they WOULDNT have defend themselves if you English scum left a country that dosnt even belong to you. And after that all us Celts, the Scots, Irish and Welsh should form a new country and build a dyke like Offa's on our borders. Except this time it will actually work. We should then fill it with beer and curry and deep fried mars bars. We could then take pot shots at the frenzied english going for their favourite thing, a free lunch. Hey thats what you came here for wasn't it. Attila kicked your asses and the Romans fucked you up the ass, and you ran away, oh you poor babies. We could then shoot at them with longbows and sing go home to fucking germany you dispossesed krauts. (a native)

Now now, calm down you fools.

Id jus tlike to stir it up even more by pointing out it was james the 6th and 1st who started NI effectively, by planting all these good loyal scots protestants there. So wheres yer celtic loyalty noo?

Besides, its more likely we're pictish than celtic, according to some new study ive heard about.

Sorry Guthrie, couldn't resist the wind up, My old regiment, the 1st Royal Tank Regiment (mainly Liverpool) amalagamated with the 4th Royal Tank Regiment (100% Scottish) and they get on like a house on fire. I would willingly buy you a pint without the need of a glasgow kiss. I really have no ethnic problems.

Spooks, you on the other hand do have a problem. get a life.

Wow. This really is an american server, isn't it?
:rolleyes:

To answer the original question:
Sparks, How about we go for Gerry Adams & Martin McGuinness, after all they have more blood on their hands than Blair, Bush & Ghengis Khan combined.
As satisfying as shooting them would be, talking to them has saved approximately a few hundred lives or more over the last few years.

But, as thuggish as they are, they don't have that much blood on their hands. Bush alone probably personally authorized more one-on-one executions than Adams - can't say the same for McGuinness, but I think you'd ruffle Khan's feathers with that claim.

And spookz?
religious conflict? you english scum are illegally occupying irish land!
Grow up and read a history book. They're not. And that's not what the current squabbling is about. The current paramilitaries have more to do with the russian mafia than with politics.

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Grow up and read a history book. They're not. And that's not what the current squabbling is about.


sounds familiar

Aghart, i think i htought you might be winding us up, so i didnt get too nasty. but it was quite good. Maybe spookz is winding us all up as well, maybe he'd care to comment?

The first British involvement in Ireland began in 1169, when Anglo-Norman troops arrived at Bannow Bay in County Wexford. During the next half millenium, successive English rulers attempted to colonize the island, pitching battles to increase their holdings – moves that sparked periodic rebellions by the Irish.

ok i read. is the above crap? isnt the northern province still part of gb? why?

spookz is winding us all

get some balls, team up with osama and start flying planes into tall buildings in england. first target buckingham palace.

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ok i read. is the above crap? isnt the northern province still part of gb? why? [/B]

It may have something to do with the fact that the majority of people who live there ( rather than people who live in wales) want that to be the situation.

Firstly, Anglo-norman aint british. secondly, yes, Northern irelenad is part of the UK, because eire successfully gained home rule in the 20's i think, aftear a bit of fighting. But the 6 provinces had enough protestant unionist population to stay loyal to the UK, so the setlement left them as part of the united kingdom.

As for Buckingham palace, its not very tall at all. Better target would be canary wharf and all the financial towers, or perhaps the houses of parliament. Better go for the real centres of power, eh?

who gives a shit! i want my land back!!!

You land? Why, did your ancestors own it? What makes it your land?

Anglo-norman aint british

what? aint these the people that hangout on the east coast? results of the french invasions? as far as i am concerned they are what passes for english these days. as for british, that's merely a political term.

dont be fooled by agharts backpedalling. the english despise you natives

You land? Why, did your ancestors own it

its a figure of speech o doltish one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/300000/images/_301223_magee150.jpg magee the godly one

HHmm, methinks Spookz is a few marbles short of a game.

The britons were a tribe, and their name eventually got passed onto the british isles, not really the anglo normans.

The english despise us natives? really? Any more than you despise them?

Arguing about my land/ your land has led to so much fighitng, using it as a figure of speech just doesnt cut it. So perhaps youd care to use mroe precise terminology so we can understand what your driving at.

http://www.iol.ie/~saoirse/images/eire.jpg

So thats what you want. perhaps the peopel in northern ireland have a different opinion, and you wouldnt want to just throw them out and do like the british did would you?

hush up kiddo
where the hell is ole sparky?? i await thee!!

:mad:

Kiddo? what about you, you resident in LA who apparently is waiting for someone resident in ireland and therefore likely to be asleep by now.

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
The story regarding the indictment of Blair, Bush, Franks and others on war crimes charges is reasonably well-known.
Now that the belgian government has changed their law to avoid having to try those cases, a group of japanese lawyers is bringing another case against Bush in Tokyo:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20030701b3.htm

You would have a better time trying to sue the IRS to get your money back.

Thaug,
You would have a better time trying to sue the IRS to get your money back.
True, a conviction is about as likely as observing a specific proton decay. But the point of a successful indictment is that it means a free court has decided that his actions were criminal in nature.

Now, as to the whole northern ireland thing. Which is well off-topic, by the way.
guthrie,
Kiddo? what about you, you resident in LA who apparently is waiting for someone resident in ireland and therefore likely to be asleep by now.
Correct, I was happily asleep.

As another small point, Ireland never had home rule. It was due to be introduced but was shelved by the outbreak of WW1 - and by the time that WW1 ended, the 1916 rising had happened and the whole situation had gotten much messier. Mind you, had home rule come in, we'd have had a far worse civil war than we wound up having.

spookz,
what? aint these the people that hangout on the east coast? results of the french invasions? as far as i am concerned they are what passes for english these days. as for british, that's merely a political term.
The french invaded from the east and drove the original britons west. I know it's hard to look at a map and figure that out spookz, but do try.

who gives a shit! i want my land back!!!
'scuse me? Your land? What land would that be?

team up with osama and start flying planes into tall buildings in england. first target buckingham palace.
Buckingham Palace (I've seen it first-hand, have you?) isn't tall.

The first British involvement in Ireland began in 1169, when Anglo-Norman troops arrived at Bannow Bay in County Wexford. During the next half millenium, successive English rulers attempted to colonize the island, pitching battles to increase their holdings – moves that sparked periodic rebellions by the Irish.
ok i read. is the above crap? isnt the northern province still part of gb? why?
You read, but god only knows what. That paragraph is incorrect. There has been trade and intermingling between northern Ireland and scotland (and between Ireland and the islands to the east of her) for as long as there have been people there - right back into prehistory.
Secondly, it's completly crap to suggest that the people living in northern ireland are british - they're not. They're from northern ireland and they choose to be a part of the united kingdom, for damn good reasons, cultural, historical and economical. Were they all to decide tomorrow to join into a "united Ireland", it would cause more strife and economic damage than you would imagine.
There is no illegal occupation by the british in ireland, because there are no british people in Ireland, at least not in the way you mean. There are British troops in northern ireland - they're being pulled out as the PSNI takes over. They weren't there to enforce an invasion, they were there to stop terrorism by a bunch of thugs with the IRA on one side and the UDF on the other side. And while in the 70's there were valid civil rights affairs to point at, those were resolved in court, legally, without any help and with much hinderance from both sides. And today, both groups exist mainly in the capacity of organised crime. So grow up and stop thinking of them as romantic underdog heros - romantic underdog heros don't crucify 19-year-old kids through their elbows and knees with re-bars.

otheadp,
sounds familiar
Does, doesn't it?
That's why I disagree strongly with the IDF's actions in Jenin and Gaza - we've proven them to be wrong when they claim that their way is the only way. Our way is harder, and far more distasteful and requires more sacrifice, but it's a permanent solution that saves lives.

The french invaded from the east and drove the original britons west. I know it's hard to look at a map and figure that out spookz, but do try.

i used to live in east anglia (norwich) and there is a substantial number of folks that are descended from the normans in that region. they are english. original britons? the normans conquered the angles and jute tribes that lived in that area and they in turn conqured the iceni who were indigenous to that region for thousands of years. so i ask you, what revisionist texts do you read? shit that glorifies danish and german tribal conquests? sheeeit. i do not know your ethnicity, but if you happen to be angles, jute or saxon, i gotta ask you to get your skanky ass back to the rhone or whatever funky ass river you squatted by

scuse me? Your land? What land would that be?

6 frikkin counties!!

Buckingham Palace (I've seen it first-hand, have you?) isn't tall.

why you pompous little condescending freak! neither was the frikking pentagon!

You read, but god only knows what. That paragraph is incorrect. There has been trade and intermingling between northern Ireland and scotland (and between Ireland and the islands to the east of her) for as long as there have been people there - right back into prehistory.

the quote focuses on military conquest not frikkin trade and vacationing barbarians

Secondly, it's completly crap to suggest that the people living in northern ireland are british - they're not. They're from northern ireland and they choose to be a part of the united kingdom, for damn good reasons, cultural, historical and economical.

crap. well ok they were factors but i think the primary one was religious. secondly as guthrie pointed out, foreigners were brought in to settle on irish land by some english king. today these guys are still being protected by the english

Were they all to decide tomorrow to join into a "united Ireland", it would cause more strife and economic damage than you would imagine.

you wanna tell me why? if the protestant pricks dont wanna live in a unified ireland, they are welcome to leave. if they wanna fight, they will get one. terrorism will not be tolerated in an unified ireland

There is no illegal occupation by the british in ireland, because there are no british people in Ireland, at let not in the way you mean.

what way is that? i dont buy this "middle nation" crap. the only nation on irish soil is the irish nation! the plantation will be ours. you have been warned!

There are British troops in northern ireland - they're being pulled out as the PSNI takes over.

coolness. i'd love to shoot those bastards in the back!

So grow up and stop thinking of them as romantic underdog heros

i'll think what i want, you.. .you.... you... kraut!


i want an end to british rule in ireland.

i want national self-determination, the unity and independence of ireland as a sovereign state.

when? frikking now!!!

as for your psni (mi5 controlled) damn those murdering scum. they always try to cover up loyalist murders. the brotherhood is watching your ass. you have been warned

Well, this sure has a lot to do with the indictment of Bush in Tokyo for warcrimes....


spookz,
i do not know your ethnicity
Irish. Granted my records only go back four generations, but the family name is old irish as well. I mention this for reasons that will become clear in a moment.

6 frikkin counties!!
Those six counties are yours then are they? I'll bet that's news to the people living there with legal title to their houses and gardens...
Let's get this settled. I'm Irish, born in the Republic. My parents were Irish, as were theirs, except for my paternal grandmother, who was born in plymouth on the way out to germany, as a result of my great-grandfather being in the british army. My family has been Irish for as long as it has existed, with involvement in many major parts of our history including the 1920 war against the british and the 1921 civil war, and others going back further.
And given all that, I do not in any way feel I have any right to tell someone in Belfast that they should be a part of the Republic. As far as I'm concerned, it's their life to live as they please, and their country to rule as they see fit. I don't agree with the violence going on up there and if we can help negotiate a solution, wonderful. But actually trying to take over? I'd sooner take up a rifle against my own government thanks. And frankly, I think CJH should have been shot for his role in starting this mess.

Now if I feel that way, and so do most reasonable people actually living here, why should the opinions of some idiot sasnach living in america count for anything more than a fart in a hurricane?

why you pompous little condescending freak! neither was the frikking pentagon!
Neither is the pentagon, unless there's a news story I haven't read yet - and I think you'll find you're wrong anyway and the pentagon is taller than Buckingham.

the quote focuses on military conquest not frikkin trade and vacationing barbarians
Trade and intermarriage are more important to the culture of the area.

i want an end to british rule in ireland.
There is no british rule in Ireland, unless you mean of Northern Ireland, where the parliment is in Stormont and they're a part of the UK like Scotland or Wales.

i want national self-determination, the unity and independence of ireland as a sovereign state.
Ireland is independent and sovereign, insofar as any modern nation can be. Just because there are two political entities on one landmass doesn't detract from that - or are you saying that Canada, Mexico and the US shouldn't be seperate states because they're on the same landmass?

when? frikking now!!!
This may be humourous to you, you annoying little mongrel, but it's attitudes like that that left a lot of people paying money to NORAID and funding a lot of bloodshed over here.
So zip it.

Well, this sure has a lot to do with the indictment of Bush in Tokyo for warcrimes....

indeed. (http://sinnfein.ie/releases/03/03collusion.pdf) i'll let em know what blair is doing and perhaps they will indict his ass too

Those six counties are yours then are they? I'll bet that's news to the people living there with legal title to their houses and gardens...

sure let em keep it.....within the republic

Let's get this settled. I'm Irish,.........., why should the opinions of some idiot sasnach living in america count for anything more than a fart in a hurricane?

you outta be hanged for treason and ignorance

Neither is the pentagon, unless there's a news story I haven't read yet - and I think you'll find you're wrong anyway and the pentagon is taller than Buckingham.

weak nitpick (tall taller, what is it about low buildings that rule em out as a target anyway?) even weaker nitpick (pointing out grammatical errors)

Trade and intermarriage are more important to the culture of the area.

yah to the hardy souls that survived the foreign devil's slaughter

There is no british rule in Ireland, unless you mean of Northern Ireland, where the parliment is in Stormont and they're a part of the UK like Scotland or Wales.

you know what i mean. of course i am talking about ulster

Ireland is independent and sovereign, insofar as any modern nation can be. Just because there are two political entities on one landmass doesn't detract from that - or are you saying that Canada, Mexico and the US shouldn't be seperate states because they're on the same landmass?

fool. think china/hong kong and the frikkin brits

This may be humourous to you, you annoying little mongrel, but it's attitudes like that that left a lot of people paying money to NORAID and funding a lot of bloodshed over here.
So zip it.

its actually funnier than shit and i appreciate you biting. for that i will now regale you with some jokes. enjoy

Why don't irish like blowjobs?
They don't like any jobs.

What do you call a irish priest?
Holy shit.

What's the difference between a irishman and a letter?
You can send a letter back to where it came from.

Did you hear about the irishman that thought he was bleeding to death?
Turns out he just had diarrhea.


*could a frikkin real englishman step up and bat? please? ranting at pseudo irishmen aint no fun!

ranting at pseudo irishmen aint no fun!
If trolling is all you're doing, try logging onto a republican site like here (http://www.freerepublic.com/) or here (http://freeconservatives.com/) and telling them that the republican party is wrong about some random topic and that Clinton was a good president. That should provide sufficent diversion.

If you're actually being serious, go seek help.

trollin with legitimate points. i am an ultranationalistic irishman. surely you can handle that? if you do not rebut and send me running with my tail b/w my legs, i will be sorely disappointed. respond dammit

Spooks why don't you leave wales and go and live in the gaza strip, you'll be right at home there with all the rest of the hate filled idiots.

what the hell are you talking about? i was happily twirling around the maypole with some chicks (in the nude) when english savages annexed part of my land! i wasnt bothering no one! i am the frikkin injured party here.

ps: hey, you wouldnt happen to be english would you???

Originally posted by SuperFudd
The point of the Afganistan liberation was not to get even but rather to prevent future 9/11s so the death toll is beside the point.

Better spit the fish hook out of your mouth Fuddy Duddy!

Afghanistan was ALL about an ARAMCO oil line that will carry Azerbaijani oil across Afghanistan and on to Turkey and then onward to America's SUV's.

You didn't believe all that caca talk about liberating the Afghan women from their Burka's and the Talibanski's, or did you? :p

I mean B-52's, B-1's, B-2's, F-18C's and PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON C-130 gunship's "raining yellow food packets with matching yellow cluster bomblets on the population's heads ain't much liberating, is it?" :eek:

Abdulla....

bomber
i like you.

Originally posted by aghart
Spooks why don't you leave wales and go and live in the gaza strip, you'll be right at home there with all the rest of the hate filled idiots.

I'd say, why not run for the Knesset - and you're home free, crazy aghart! :p

Abdulla....

aghart: u're cool :)
spookz: That's why I disagree strongly with the IDF's actions in Jenin and Gaza - we've proven them to be wrong when they claim that their way is the only way. Our way is harder, and far more distasteful and requires more sacrifice, but it's a permanent solution that saves lives.
who is "we" and who's "they"? and what exactly did you prove?
hamas and co. do not understand words. the only way to handle fanatics with impossible goals and suicidal tendencies is by force.
i'm not familiar with the irish / british conflict.... but i would think that these 2 peoples should be able to negotiate like humans without resorting to terrorism or violence. after all you're not lunatic fanatical barbarians with fantasies of "72 virgins waiting for u in heaven if you KILL KILL KILL"



*one of the ingridients for explosives "palestinian" terrorists use is fertilizer

Bloody children.