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lucifers angel
09-08-08, 06:24 AM
So i finally got to watch syriana the other night, and i was left feeling sick about it.

i dont undersand why the good brother was killed and the asshole brother was left to live,

anyone else seen it, can someone please shed some light on it for me??

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"Syriana" is a blistering, powerful film about the degree to which governments and corporate conglomerates place the ambition to control the world's oil supply above the well being of their citizens and employees. In this game, there are only bad guys, and what separates the villains from the protagonists is not a question of who's good and who's bad, but rather how bad each is willing to be.

So maybe "Syriana" doesn't tell us anything new. But that doesn't mean its points aren't worth making again and again. And though it is complicated, and I'm not going to pretend I followed every detail of its intricate plot, it's not *that* hard to follow. Stephen Gaghan is a good writer, and he provides a nice summary of the film's action in its final moments.

What emerges from this tangled puzzle is a web of corruption and self-interest, all fueled by the need for oil. In one plot thread, the men behind two soon-to-merge oil companies will stop at nothing to make the merger go through, since the new company will be one of the most powerful in the world. In another thread, the law firm representing the company proves that it's eager to cash in on the company's new economic success. Meanwhile, a power struggle between the two sons of an aging king in an unspecified Middle Eastern country (though Saudi Arabia is obviously suggested) has attracted the attention of the American government, operating through the CIA. America (read American business) has a vested interest in which of the king's sons succeeds him to the throne: It doesn't want the reform-minded eldest son, whose priorities will be building a country to benefit his own people; it wants instead the younger son, who will continue to relegate his country to a cosy spot in America's hip pocket and take its orders directly from the president of the USA. And in the film's most chilling plot strand, we see how the struggle for oil feeds the radical Islam movement in the Middle East, providing young men with a feeling of brotherhood and righteousness in the face of a region they feel has turned its back on them in favor of big business and Western corruption.

"Syriana" is tense, fast and furious. Following it can admittedly be somewhat exhausting, but if you pay very close attention to the first hour or so, as each story is introduced and the relationships between characters become clear, the second half of the movie is easier to digest.

I disagree with other comments here that the characters aren't developed or that the acting is unimpressive. On the contrary, I think all of the actors create extremely nuanced, compelling characters, a challenging task given the fact that none of them are allowed more than a minute or so at a time to feed us information about themselves. A movie like this could easily fall prey to filling itself with a bunch of stock villains, all cocked eyebrows and facial mannerisms rather than full-bodied characterizations, and the fact that it avoids this is a tribute to both Gaghan and the cast. And hats off to the editor on this movie, who had perhaps the most daunting task of the year.

2005 has been full of terse, important films, fresh in their immediacy. There have been a small number of sensational, tough, thought-provoking films instead of a larger batch of more mediocre ones, as has been the case recently. "Syriana" is one of the best movies of the year: it's angry, yet it's not hopeless. I hope Americans see this movie. At this time of year, when people are trampling each other in malls in order to be first in line for Christmas sales, I hope they remember that the vast wealth of America frequently comes at the sake of people all over the world who will never have a fraction of the comfort those in our country take for granted.

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CarpetDiem
09-08-08, 07:26 AM
Totally agree with the narrative. Compelling and sickening realistic. Good acting too, although arguably it might have benefited from the lead Jack "you want the truth, you can't handle the truth" Nicholson.

Enmos
09-08-08, 09:01 AM
i dont undersand why the good brother was killed and the asshole brother was left to live

Because life sucks. Life isn't fair, it's just the way it is.

Challenger78
09-08-08, 09:12 AM
Saw the trailers, good film, will recommend to watch./download.

Enmos
09-08-08, 09:16 AM
download.

:spank:

Syzygys
09-08-08, 10:31 AM
i dont undersand why the good brother was killed and the asshole brother was left to live,

Because that is how it is in real life.

I don't remember the movie exactly, but the CIA operative didn't get that he was just one little pawn in the big game, and in such a game there is no right or wrong just winners and losers...

Challenger78
09-08-08, 11:26 AM
:spank:

Hey. Don't blame me, blame the time lag. and the fact that releases aren't released worldwide. I'm serious, If releases were released worldwide, and there was an up to date store, I'd buy it. (If it's a good movie). For example, I've bought Fahrenhiet 9/11, and would have bought the other two of Moore's doco's if it were available. I would buy watch BSG and tons of other shows if they came out at the same time as the USA.

But no, plus, I'm a lazy bastard. I like to try before I buy..

Enmos
09-08-08, 01:10 PM
Hey. Don't blame me, blame the time lag. and the fact that releases aren't released worldwide. I'm serious, If releases were released worldwide, and there was an up to date store, I'd buy it. (If it's a good movie). For example, I've bought Fahrenhiet 9/11, and would have bought the other two of Moore's doco's if it were available. I would buy watch BSG and tons of other shows if they came out at the same time as the USA.

But no, plus, I'm a lazy bastard. I like to try before I buy..

lol don't sweat it dude, I was just teasing :p

DeepThought
09-08-08, 03:04 PM
So i finally got to watch syriana the other night, and i was left feeling sick about it.

i dont undersand why the good brother was killed and the asshole brother was left to live,

anyone else seen it, can someone please shed some light on it for me??


The 'good' brother was a naive idealist, consequently, he paid for it.

kenworth
09-08-08, 03:06 PM
thanks, was gonna watch this movie but now that you've ruined the ending for me in the second line of your post i can save myself the time.

Norsefire
09-08-08, 06:12 PM
I saw it, the plot was hard to follow.

Orleander
09-08-08, 06:32 PM
thanks, was gonna watch this movie but now that you've ruined the ending for me in the second line of your post i can save myself the time.

yeah, that kinda bummed me out as well.

Syzygys
09-08-08, 08:09 PM
thanks, was gonna watch this movie but now that you've ruined the ending for me in the second line of your post i can save myself the time.

You should watch the alternate ending, where they discover a cheap substitute for oil and everybody lives happily ever after.

ouups! I have just ruined that one too for you...

OilIsMastery
09-08-08, 08:52 PM
The movie was terrible. It was a soap opera for Democrat conspiracy theorists. Totally unrealistic. Noone as stupid as Matt Damon's character would be able to persuade anyone as cunning as an Arab Prince in real life.

Matt Damon. Film Actors Guild. Need I say more.

James R
09-08-08, 09:29 PM
In real life, as OilisMastery knows, the Earth is flooded with infinite amounts of oil. Therefore, any movie based on a desire of countries to control limited oil supplies is a complete waste of time.

OilIsMastery
09-08-08, 11:18 PM
In real life, as OilisMastery knows, the Earth is flooded with infinite amounts of oil. Therefore, any movie based on a desire of countries to control limited oil supplies is a complete waste of time.
Excellent point. Oh and also I forgot to mention The New York Times liked it so you know it sucked. Political garbage. No geological reality whatsoever.

Challenger78
09-12-08, 10:24 AM
Just watched it, no thanks to emnos for making me feel guilty while doing so, :p
While mine didn't have subtitles I got the gist of it.

All I can say is:
A gritty, real and accurate description of the oil industry and the world as it is, these things do happen, and people die for it.
It also gave a major boost to my cynicism, for which I thank LA.

lucifers angel
09-12-08, 11:00 AM
Just watched it, no thanks to emnos for making me feel guilty while doing so, :p
While mine didn't have subtitles I got the gist of it.

All I can say is:
A gritty, real and accurate description of the oil industry and the world as it is, these things do happen, and people die for it.
It also gave a major boost to my cynicism, for which I thank LA.

i think your welcome!!

Syzygys
09-12-08, 01:08 PM
I saw an interview with the real life spy I mean CIA agent, who was a helper for the film and I think it is based on him. I couldn't tell if he just doesn't get it (being a pawn) or was just pretending...

skywalker
09-12-08, 07:43 PM
90 % of the people in theater where I saw this movie were clue less about what happened... the fact is, it happens quite often in Middle east.. if you don't bow down to bigger powers, they will eliminate you, simple is that.

Challenger78
09-13-08, 10:35 AM
"What we say goes" - Chomsky.

Seriously. That film was realistic. Note to self: Avoid the CIA.

Every time I feel Idealistic, I just look at the ending of that film.
Then I can go back to cynicism.
Hehe.. It's like an inverse hit.

S.A.M.
09-13-08, 10:38 AM
Ok I'll watch it. I saw Babel last week. Excellent movie.

Then I saw Das Leben der Anderen, The Lives of Others :bawl:

Awesome movie!

Challenger78
09-13-08, 10:43 AM
Ok I'll watch it. I saw Babel last week. Excellent movie.

Then I saw Das Leben der Anderen, The Lives of Others :bawl:

Awesome movie!

The film tries to portray the status of Immigrants in Saudi Arabia, but I didn't have subtitles, so it could have been stereotyping them for all I know.

S.A.M.
09-13-08, 10:53 AM
Ah, I must see it. I was an immigrant in Saudi Arabia. Hmm, lets see if I can get it today.

Challenger78
09-13-08, 10:58 AM
My bad: Not sure what country actually. I heard some what I thought was hindi. And they were immigrants, also talking about pakistan too.

S.A.M.
09-13-08, 10:59 AM
I thought it was Iran.

Chal, gotta go.

Challenger78
10-15-08, 08:45 AM
Heheh..

"corruption ?, Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm, Corruption is government intervention into regulated markets, Corruption is why we win.."

Nice cynicism there.