It does not even matter if it's true or not, gang. It's out there and that is all that matters. Even if it is later proven to be untrue, most Americans will still believe it because there will be no retractions. Jessica Lynch was brutally raped by her Iraqi captors.

That is the shocking revelation in "I Am a Soldier, Too," the much-anticipated authorized biography of the former POW. A copy of the book was obtained by The Daily News yesterday.

Best selling author Rick Bragg tells Lynch's story for her, often using her own words. Thankfully, she has no memory of the rape. (Full text here (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/134264p-119598c.html) - Free registration required.) The first thing that sprang to mind when I read this was, "How do they know an Iraqi did it?" Given what goes on in military academies, a prone female soldier might be just as likely to be sodomized by her own platoon mates. Or somebody passing by on the street. Or some pervert who worked at the hospital (happens here in the States a lot.) Unless the doctors who treated her took forensic samples, which could tell us a lot about what population group the assilant(s) were from, if not who it actually was or there were reliable eyewitnesses or Private Lynch recovers her memory we will never know.

I think the Iraqi captors should be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

She is a soldier. No she isn't a hero, but few soldiers are. She was simply doing her job. She was badly injured. She was a prisoner of war. She was made use of very cynically and dishonestly by the U.S. propaganda machine. She was feted by the media whereas her comrades who were also injured and also taken prisoner were ignored. The factor that should concern us the most remains the differing treatment given to her in comparison to others in her position. But that is not of her doing, unless you blame her for being a pleasant looking blonde instead of the no less pleasant looking young black mother or the other comrades who shared her experiences.

Yes, females are raped in wartime. It is one of the unpleasantnesses that besmirch all nations. And don't we just love talking about it. The entire press has picked on just this one page in a book for its headlines. She is now back home, with a handy sum of money but a wrecked body -- I know I would rather be whole.

And I suspect she would too.

:m: Peace.

Wasn't Rick Bragg the guy who was fired from the New York Times recently for making up news stories out of thin air?

Yes Sparks, Bragg is the writer who "resigned" from the New York Times for theft of a piece in his column. Apparently he took the story from a freelancer and then published it as his own. Amazing that a Pulitzer winning author could do such a thing... And now he gets to write Lynch's memoirs (of which she remembers nothing of her experiences..:confused:..)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/29/1054177673212.html

What I find amazing with the Jessica Lynch saga is the fact that she does not remember anything that happened to her while she was held supposedly captive in the unguarded hospital, yet she remembered enough to tell her story to Bragg to write a book.

She was feted by the media whereas her comrades who were also injured and also taken prisoner were ignored. The factor that should concern us the most remains the differing treatment given to her in comparison to others in her position. But that is not of her doing, unless you blame her for being a pleasant looking blonde instead of the no less pleasant looking young black mother or the other comrades who shared her experiences.

Very well said Goofy. She was made to be the hero of the invasion of Iraq. The real heroes of that invasion were the Iraqi people, yet all we ever saw of them was the after effects of the invasion. We rarely see how they have little to eat, no water, no power, no medical help, no sanitation... the list goes on and on. We rarely saw how they suffered during the sanctions or the war itself. It never ceases to amaze me how one individual, who through an accident, gets to make millions from her experiences in Iraq, yet the doctors and nurses who treated her and the lawyer who did his best to get her out (at risk to their own safety) get nothing in return. Yeah.. the US really knows how to treat its heroes. Sad thing is they never get the correct heroes.. just the one who looks good on TV.


:eek:

Jessica says (according to my newspaper) that she doesn't remember the rape, and that she doesn't know... yet we have this assertion. Also the Iraqi's supposedly recorded this rape, yet why would they report a rape done by a Iraqi, while still under Saddams rule? Why can't we see this supposed file? I guess we have another "Prague Iraqi spy" bull shit...:rolleyes:

Jessica says (according to my newspaper) that she doesn't remember the rape, and that she doesn't know... yet we have this assertion. Also the Iraqi's supposedly recorded this rape, yet why would they report a rape done by a Iraqi, while still under Saddams rule?

Only reports I've seen said that a doctor who first examined her in Germany said she had wounds that would be more consistent with anal rape than a vehicle accident. I haven't seen anything about a supposed video of a rape.

Thousand’s of atrocities happened (and are happening) during the war from all sides. I don’t see why this one warrants any more specific attention.

Originally posted by Spyke
Only reports I've seen said that a doctor who first examined her in Germany said she had wounds that would be more consistent with anal rape than a vehicle accident.
Anal rape resulting in broken limbs, ribs and internal injuries?
Hmmm...

That must of been a well hung iraqi.

It would seem that this was the final straw for Pvt.Lynch...

From breakingnews.ie (http://www.breakingnews.ie/2003/11/07/story120473.html):
Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch has attacked the US military for manipulating the story of her dramatic rescue in Iraq and said they should not have filmed it in the first place.

The 20-year-old private told US TV’s Diane Sawyer in an interview that she was bothered by the military’s portrayal of her ordeal.

“They used me as a way to symbolise all this stuff,” she said.

“It hurt in a way that people would make up stories that they had no truth about,” she said.

She also said there was no reason for her rescue from an Iraqi hospital to be filmed. “It’s wrong,” she said.

Footage of the rescue was aired repeatedly on television networks reporting how a special forces team bravely fought into and out of the hospital.

“I don’t think it happened quite like that,” Lynch said.

the whole case jessica lynch is made up ! the only moment she was really in danger was when amerikan soldiers shot at the ambulance that should bring her back to us-troops !!!
she got a better treatment than most iraqis , the doctors in this hospital even collected blood for her .....
well , now they are raper&gangbanger :bugeye:

Anal rape resulting in broken limbs, ribs and internal injuries?
Hmmm...

Uh, the doctor said she had wounds consistent with anal rape, not that all of her wounds were.:bugeye:

That must of been a well hung iraqi.

Do you have a personal point of reference you're using as a judgement for size matters in rape?;)

Her FAMILY admitted she was raped... It isn't government propaganda.

Yo, Jerrek ... that's rather quite beside the point, sir. Few people, if anybody, doubt that she was raped. So ... what the hell are you talking about?

It was directed at sweet Pentax, not you.

How could the family admit she was raped when she remembers nothing? Were they there to watch?
:rolleyes:

and the next question would be : if she was raped - WHO did it !

jerrek :

so her parents told it , right ? ok , than i´m wrong ....:rolleyes:

this is the first i've heard of the rape claim.

I asked a while ago if anyone knew how the Iraqi's were going to be portrayed in jessicas memoires.

It seems common knowledge/opinion that the Iraqi's gave Jessica treatment above and beyond their call and that she had an easy ride compared to most in the war, in fact the Americans seem to of been a bigger threat to her life than the Iraqi's and yet given that the same parties that staged her rescue and risked shooting her dead to force her back to the hospital so they could stage the rescue in the first place are "helping jog her memory" for the memoires how are they going to end up portrayed?

Now i know, what i didn't realise is that there seems to be some truth to the claim??
Has jessica said she remebers this then if her fammily "admit it" and by who??

Then put two cents' effort into directing it as such. You very well could have been referring to sentences in Goofy's post.

It seems common knowledge/opinion that the Iraqi's gave Jessica treatment above and beyond their call and that she had an easy ride compared to most in the war

Considering that those Iraqi doctors said her body was shattered and that she was barely alive when she was brought into the hospital, I fail to see how she 'had an easy ride compared to most in the war', unless of course, you are comparing her to the dead.

I fail to see how she 'had an easy ride compared to most in the war', unless of course, you are comparing her to the deadFor what it's worth--and I'll nose around for numbers after I finally sleep--I recall hearing some reporter (CNN brief from the field, or some such, as opposed to punditry or analysis) that the Pentagon speaks little of the wounded numbers because there's quite a few extremities and limbs, and even eyes missing.

This has been a rougher war than the press has been allowed to tell you.

Well, a little nosing never killed me.

- Wood, David. "Amputees returning to duty." Newhouse News Service (Times-Picayune), October 12, 2003. see http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/index.ssf?/base/news-0/106593645334800.xml

- Zdechlik, Mark. "U.S. soldier injuries mount in Iraq." Minnesota Public Radio News, September 14, 2003. see http://news.mpr.org/features/2003/09/19_zdechlikm_injuries/

Now ... how many times do I get to say this? I must be careful.

But it is a rare day, indeed, that I get to call injuries requiring surgery and leaving minor nervous damage and a stick in the ass that you don't remember an easy ride.

To the other, however, I remind myself that it's all relative. I certainly wouldn't want to take Ms. Lynch's ... "easy ride".

Any takers?

:m:

Some incredible stories in those articles.

/I think the Iraqi captors should be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Legally sure, but otherwise - shoulda woulda coulda, the most likely suspects are always suspected. We're a finger pointing species eh? Besides, their guilt is part of the propoganda war.... from the perspective of the military - attempting to justify their existence, etc, it's a beautiful opportunity to save some face.

/She was simply doing her job. She was badly injured. She was a prisoner of war.

Yeah that's a drag, but it happened and time is a bit stubborn about reversal.

/She was made use of very cynically and dishonestly by the U.S. propaganda machine.

What do you expect from a propaganda machine?

/She was feted by the media whereas her comrades who were also injured and also taken prisoner were ignored.

Yup. Gotta love an opportunistic propaganda machine. What's funny to me is that without it, she should never have gotten her million. Hell because of that shit she's "set for life". Remember, the propaganda came after her injuries... no escapign that, we can only discuss what happened after, unless you want to talk women in the military, blah blah. Then it would have happened to some dude and we would have never thought of him as a hero anyway. Well unless someone in the propaganda machine saw opportunity there.

/''The factor that should concern us the most remains the differing treatment given to her in comparison to others in her position. But that is not of her doing, unless you blame her for being a pleasant looking blonde instead of the no less pleasant looking young black mother or the other comrades who shared her experiences.

Marketability is obviously a factor when considering how to structure your propaganda. How does blame have anything to do with anything? Pardon, I just see no point in it.

/Yes, females are raped in wartime. It is one of the unleasantnesses that besmirch all nations. And don't we just love talking about it.

Hey you brough tit up. I wasn't gonna say anything. Hypocrite. Hehe. ;) People love talking drama and sex. Go figure.

/The entire press has picked on just this one page in a book for its headlines. She is now back home, with a handy sum of money but a wrecked body -- I know I would rather be whole.

You say it like there's choice. It's in the past, so your "rather" is pretty well inconsequential. At least she scored some cake for having been utilized by the machine. You can't really blame the machine for performing its function. Hell many of its subjects welcome it. I wonder if ten years from now she'll rather have had anonymity or the million bucks.

/and I suspect she would too.

You mean she irrationally wants to change time too? She can't be "whole" right now because she was injured during a war. That happens to soldiers somewhat often. Sure she could have scored disability, but she was unlucky and halfassed attractive - so she got put into the machine. A rather pathetic attempt to paint a hero (for the purposes of promoting the war) from a typical soldier just trying to do their job. It's a bummer but come on man, what do you expect? It's a freakin war. No holds barred. The propaganda machine is drug out for ALL military actions. Nature of the beast. See through it or join the masses.

Just as an aside ... A whole bunch of years ago, when I was a member
of a Volunteer Fire Dept. Emergency Rescue Squad, I responded to an
automobile accident where the driver, a young female, was impaled by
the accelerator pedal and sustained rectal injuries along with other in-
juries similar to Jessica Lynch's.

No 'rape' involved.

:m: :cool: :m:

fair enough, but i guess it just doesn't have the same dramatic effects on the front pages y'know.

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/tv2.jpg

Thank you for noticing.

Originally posted by Don Hakman
[img - guywatchingtv]hahahahaha, well done.

Oh dear.
What was that about how the Iraqis were scurrilous dogs that treated her awfully?

From breakingnews.ie (http://www.breakingnews.ie/2003/11/11/story121007.html):

Porn baron buys topless Private Jessica photos
11/11/2003 - 2:22:19 pm

Photographs showing rescued American soldier Private Jessica Lynch topless with two male soldiers have been bought by the owner of Hustler.

Larry Flynt insists he has only paid for the snaps to prevent them from becoming public.

The news comes on the day 20-year-old Private Lynch's book, I Am A Soldier Too, was published, detailing her capture and rescue during the Iraq war.

In a statement, Mr Flynt said: "I was offered photos of Jessica Lynch. I purchased them in order to keep them out of circulation, not to publish them."

Mr Flynt, an opponent of the Bush administration, added: "Jessica Lynch is being used as a pawn by the media and by the government to create a hero who can sell this war to the American people."

The photographs, showing Miss Lynch with two male soldiers at Fort Bliss, Texas, were taken shortly before she went to Iraq.

Larry Flynt reportedly paid a six-figure sum for the snaps.

Paul Bogaards of Alfred Knopf, publisher of Miss Lynch's book, said it would be "unspeakable" if Hustler decided to publish the pictures.

Bristling with American capitalism, and Judeo-Christian ethics.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

God when will the exploitation end?

I'm starting to feel sorry for this girl:
Pornographer Larry Flynt claims he bought nude photos of Pfc. Jessica Lynch last month to publish in Hustler magazine (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=529&ncid=529&e=1&u=/ap/20031111/ap_en_ot/lynch_photos_3)

Flynt is a rotten pig for this stunt but he is right when he said, "She's just a victim of the Bush administration, who is using her to justify the war in Iraq and force-feed us a Joan of Arc."

When she came to us she was in bad shape," Dr al-Hazbar said. "People were surprised by the resources we devoted to her."

Jamal Kadhim Shwail, the first doctor to examine her, said: "We only had a few minutes to save her life."

Dr Shwail said he saw no signs of rape and was not looking for them.

"The thought did not cross my mind. Her injuries were consistent with severe trauma - a car crash, nothing else. Her clothes were not torn, her boots had not been removed. There is no way she could have been raped."

Ms Lynch, now 20, was the same age as his daughter Noor, he said.

"She was a woman, young and alone in a strange country," he said. "It was our duty to look after her and we did. Now people are saying she was raped ... that pains us."

The doctors who operated on Ms Lynch at Nasiriyah Hospital said they carried out a full examination and there was no sign of sexual assault.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7843058%255E401,00.html

Originally posted by spookz
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Since she tooked naked pictures with her co workers its possible one of them raped her or had anal sex even before she was ambushed, who knows.

Originally posted by Americano
Since she tooked naked pictures with her co workers its possible one of them raped her or had anal sex even before she was ambushed, who knows.

Yes, but that would somewhat be impossible.

During her stay at the hosipital, the doctors stated that there was no trace of her getting raped and no semen in her body. The thing could be that she wasn't raped at all.

So far, this sounds the most logical explanation to me. There's three possibilites. Either the soldiers did it, it was the Iraqi's or also that she wasn't raped at all.

Also, I don't know anything about rape or how doctors find it and so. But say if the possiblity of her getting raped was done by her soldiers before the war, would the traces still be visible when the doctors examinated her?

jessica seem to be the only story where the real shit seems to be coming out.

*Lynch says the circumstances of her rescue was dramatised and manipulated by the Pentagon.

*She was not rescued in a 'blaze of gunfire' as reported by Defence Department officials last April, but picked up from compliant Iraq doctors who had saved her life.

* accusations that she'd been raped were disputed by appalled Iraqi doctors who first treated her,

*the army was accused of insensitivity and racism for awarding Lynch a full disability pension while others from her ambushed maintenance company, including

*Shoshana Johnson, the black cook wounded and captured by Iraqis, will receive barely a third of Lynch's discharge package.

*the fact that she never fired a shot, and instead got down on her knees to pray as her unit was surrounded by enemy forces.

*it was her dead colleague Lori Piestewa, a Native American mother of two, who went down fighting.

*Mohammed Odeh Al-Rehaief, who was given US citizenship for his efforts, has written a book about how he risked his own life to win her freedom. Now he is described by his wife as overly influenced by John Wayne movies.

*But the story may be too far along to reverse. 'She can't take back being a star. The fact that she says it's all made up doesn't make a difference. It's been decided she's a star, and that's the only indisputable fact

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1081207,00.html

To a military propogandist this sack of lies became irresistable from the begining.

A rescue entirely on video tape from the enemy (a comfortable hospital bed) of a comely white girl with a name to warm the hearts of racist bigots back home. It was too perfect to pass up.