http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6495211.stm
A patch which it is claimed can help women regain their sex drive is set to become available on the NHS.

It is the first treatment for women with low sex drive, but maker Procter and Gamble said it was not promoted as the female equivalent of Viagra.

What if a low sex drive is normal?

"What if"?

The female sex drive is low. Why increase it? Or why not use the old fashioned method: a monetary transaction.

The female sex drive's a myth, isn't it? :confused:

no, I think most women have a normal sex drive and are turned on just as often as guys are.

First, a women's sex drive takes longer to kick start, so it may appear to be low when in fact its just slow.

Second, many women have a slight hypothyroidism, meaning that their thyroid glands arent producing enough thyroid hormones. This causes a lower than average sex drive...but it may not be serious enough to create any other health problems, so nothing is done about it.

Interesting that this medical patch is basically a device that releases testosterone...a male hormone!

Yeah, well I believe that.

It does take a bit longer, I think.

Female sex drive = male sex drive. females have it less but enjoy it more. Males have it more but enjoy it relatively less. Simple as that.

The female sex drive is low. Why increase it? Or why not use the old fashioned method: a monetary transaction.

If a woman isn't all that interested in sex, but wants to be, then I could see this being useful. If a woman isn't too interested in sex, and doesn't care, then this wouldn't be for her.

The dogma that women are just as interested in sex as men is being challenged by women. (http://www.amazon.ca/Id-Rather-Eat-Chocolate-Learning/dp/0767922670)

I've always thought the best illustration of the difference between how men and women approach sex is by looking at the difference of the sexual behavior of gay men and lesbian women.

isn't sex drive directly related to the amount of testosterone?

I've always thought the best illustration of the difference between how men and women approach sex is by looking at the difference of the sexual behavior of gay men and lesbian women.
What is the difference?

Most openly gay men are extremely promiscuous, with partners in the double or even triple digits.

Lesbians... not so much.

I once knew a girl with above normal testosterone levels, I could turn her on just by talking about stuff. never got her in bed though.

I also knew a girl with to much testosteron she had a moustache

this is my personal opinion of course, but female sex drive is the same in a woman as in a man i think.
i read once that female sex drive increases in time and male sex drive decreases in time... dunno if that was based on valid research

Maybe the idea that women have a lower sex drive comes from the fact that women are turned on by different things that a man? For example, females usually do not get turned on of something visual like men do, at least i've never seen a girl getting off on a pornographic magazine :)

The female sex drive's a myth, isn't it? :confused:

In your case, yes. :D

:puke:

Education for you guys from Dan Savage, who just discussed this in his weekly column: (I guess nobody reads him here)

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=179349

And here are the responses from the lusty ladies:

http://www.thestranger.com/savage/lustyladies

Not in my home. My wife and I have gender-role-reversal. She would like to have sex 8 times a week, and I would prefer twice a year.

Not in my home. My wife and I have gender-role-reversal. She would like to have sex 8 times a week, and I would prefer twice a year.

lol...

How do you manage? Is she very persuasive?

The female sex drive's a myth, isn't it? :confused:

I've heard women refer to their own sex drives. What do you call it when a woman wants dick?

Most openly gay men are extremely promiscuous, with partners in the double or even triple digits.

Lesbians... not so much.

How do you know so much about gay men?

I've heard women refer to their own sex drives. What do you call it when a woman wants dick?

"Spuriousmonkey's lucky day".

Edit: I just reread that last comment about spurious Geoff. I was wrong. You weren't saying what I thought you were saying.

I liked that you dropped in though. How has the omnipresent Myuu been these days?

Most openly gay men are extremely promiscuous, with partners in the double or even triple digits.


Well, as a gay man, I can't argue with the fact that there are DEFINATELY a lot of promiscuous gay men, but most openly gay men are definately not promiscuous. The number of promiscuous gay men isn't higher because gay men are inherently more sexual than straight men, it's just that the target of a gay man's desires just so happens to be other men, and men are far more cavalier in matters of sex... straight men, however, have the [unfortunate?] circumstance of having to deal with heterosexual females who are, conversely, far more reserved in matters of sex.

A significantly higher percentage does not equal "most"-- I've got gay friends of every shade and dimention and only a few are man-whores. Likewise, most of my closest friends are straight guys, none of whom have any compunction about fucking any attractive girl that comes around. Are there more gay man-whores than straight ones? Sure. Probably. But most? In my experience-- no. Fucking around like a slut takes a lot of work and time, which few people, gay or straigh, have. Gay men like straight men, however, fantacize about the same things-- fucking like rabbits, being a porn star, having multiple partners, but more often than not, gay men fuck the same guy, day in and day out, like most heterosexual do the same woman, day in and day out.

~String

Edit: I just reread that last comment about spurious Geoff. I was wrong. You weren't saying what I thought you were saying.

I liked that you dropped in though. How has the omnipresent Myuu been these days?

Yeah I was just giving spurious a hard time. I can't remember if it was him or Nick that slipped the "elephant man" comment into my wiki. :D Amusing but it demands vengeance. Vengeance I say!

Myuu's chillin and grillin. He plans to release a thread on his travels and prophecy in America, if his carrier can juuuuuuuust finish off some frigging papers first. Fuck.

You'd think 'the pill' was a godsend in that you don't need to wear a condom - but oh not that would be having your cake and fucking it.

I've been told by girls that the pill lowers the sex drive. Perhaps that's how the contraceptive works - ha!

Luckily, its not been a prob for anyone I've romanced.

How do you know so much about gay men?

I'm friends with a lot of gay men?

Well, as a gay man, I can't argue with the fact that there are DEFINATELY a lot of promiscuous gay men, but most openly gay men are definately not promiscuous.

But were they promiscuous at a couple periods in their life, before 'settling down', so to speak?

why do you want her drive to be "high" ? i have a hard time as it is :D


err : i donot recall saying whats written above ;)

Not in my home. My wife and I have gender-role-reversal. She would like to have sex 8 times a week, and I would prefer twice a year.

What are you, a polar bear? you oughtta be ashamed of yourself swivel :D ;-)


Rick

But were they promiscuous at a couple periods in their life, before 'settling down', so to speak?

I can't account for every period of their life, so possibly... and possibly not.

I was promiscuous for about a five year period. But so was my best friend Ryan, all my male cousins (about ten) and my older brother Dale-- all cock swinging, football throwing, country boys who love pussy as much as the next straight guy. I come from a family of players, so my personal relevance in this statistic may not be clear. But, I can't help falling back on the fact that most moderately attractive and sexually motivated men are promiscuous at some stage in their younger life.

Were my "numbers" greater? Er.... yeah. It's safe to say. But that's not an appropriate consideration since if WOMEN were as loose as men wanted them to be, then my straight friends would probably fuck more than I ever did.

Am I arguing totally against your point? No. I can't deny stereotypes... they come from very rational experiences. All I'm trying to say is that, although there is some truth in the perception, it isn't really as all encompassing as you think.

Consider this-- most gay men are masculine. How do I know? Because every statistic points towards it. The reason YOU (not "YOU - Roman" but "YOU - Most People") doubt that is because you can't "see" the masculine "boy next door" gay man (from past experience, I have been told that I fit this description). Most gay men don't dress up as women, march in parades or act all annoyingly queeny (sometimes funny though-- but that's a different thread). The fact is you "see" the queeny ones and because of poor sight of the whole, judge the entirity of gay men by that one narrow encounter.

Most gay are concerned and dedicated to the same damned things straight men are: saving for retirement, buying a house, their growing gut, their buds, their "lover", paying credit cards and what the heck to eat for dinner. Gay men attend college at higher rates than most other groups, are very professional, "civil", and in most ways fit into society in ways you never think about because, well, you don't see them.

My father (a born again christian super homophobe) just found out that a guy he's worked at on the job (steel mill) for thirty years has a husband and a son... my dad never knew it because the guy never talked about it.

This example sums up most of the gay experience: quiet, passive, lives lived mostly under the radar, but for a smaller percentage of the community are totally lambasted as loud, obnoxious revelers, which just isn't accurate.

~String

I can't account for every period of their life, so possibly... and possibly not.

I was promiscuous for about a five year period. But so was my best friend Ryan, all my male cousins (about ten) and my older brother Dale-- all cock swinging, football throwing, country boys who love pussy as much as the next straight guy. I come from a family of players, so my personal relevance in this statistic may not be clear. But, I can't help falling back on the fact that most moderately attractive and sexually motivated men are promiscuous at some stage in their younger life.

Were my "numbers" greater? Er.... yeah. It's safe to say. But that's not an appropriate consideration since if WOMEN were as loose as men wanted them to be, then my straight friends would probably fuck more than I ever did.

Am I arguing totally against your point? No. I can't deny stereotypes... they come from very rational experiences. All I'm trying to say is that, although there is some truth in the perception, it isn't really as all encompassing as you think.

Consider this-- most gay men are masculine. How do I know? Because every statistic points towards it. The reason YOU (not "YOU - Roman" but "YOU - Most People") doubt that is because you can't "see" the masculine "boy next door" gay man (from past experience, I have been told that I fit this description). Most gay men don't dress up as women, march in parades or act all annoyingly queeny (sometimes funny though-- but that's a different thread). The fact is you "see" the queeny ones and because of poor sight of the whole, judge the entirity of gay men by that one narrow encounter.

Most gay are concerned and dedicated to the same damned things straight men are: saving for retirement, buying a house, their growing gut, their buds, their "lover", paying credit cards and what the heck to eat for dinner. Gay men attend college at higher rates than most other groups, are very professional, "civil", and in most ways fit into society in ways you never think about because, well, you don't see them.

My father (a born again christian super homophobe) just found out that a guy he's worked at on the job (steel mill) for thirty years has a husband and a son... my dad never knew it because the guy never talked about it.

This example sums up most of the gay experience: quiet, passive, lives lived mostly under the radar, but for a smaller percentage of the community are totally lambasted as loud, obnoxious revelers, which just isn't accurate.

~StringI'm in love with string again.:o The first part of that 2nd paragraph...Oh My!

This has turned into a bit of a derail. My point was that with homosexuals, you get a distillation of the differences between the sex drive of the genders. Men's sexual behavior with other men is what straight men would like to have with women, if women were interested.

I've read a study, I'm not going to bother to look for it right now, but the premise was this; on a college campus, an attractive stranger of the opposite sex approached both men and women, and struck up a conversation. After talking for a while, this person would invite the subjects to go somewhere and have sex. IIRC, something like 80%+ of the male subjects, when asked by an attractive woman they had just met if they would like to go have sex, said yes. Not one of the women approached by an attractive man in this manner said yes.

It seems to me that men have enough sex drive for both sexes. Women have reasons, which some biologists think are rooted in evolutionary psychology, for being more selective about their sexual partners than men do. Gay males almost seem like a short circuit in the system, for the most part bypassing the troublesome courtship rituals that us straight men have to partake in to try and convince women to have sex with us. Here is a rather extreme example of gay sexual promiscuity:
In his book, Surviving AIDS (New York: HarperCollins, 1990), pop singer Michael Callen wrote,

I calculated that since becoming sexually active in 1973, I had racked up more than three thousand (emphasis added) different sexual partners in bathhouses, back rooms, meat racks, and tearooms. .

If women were as interested in sex with men as men are with women, I contend that straight and gay sexual behavior would be much more similar than it is. And that there would be as many male prostitutes for women as there are female prostitutes for men.

I suspect it's because women are more mentally stimulated, or at least respond better to that, than say the ZIIIIIIIP "Do me" that many marriages degenerate into.

Find out the little freaky things a woman likes (and it can change) and press those buttons and ouila! Men have mental buttons, they are usually fairly easy and predictable though.

Female sex drive = male sex drive. females have it less but enjoy it more. Males have it more but enjoy it relatively less. Simple as that.

So the men are bisexual?

This has turned into a bit of a derail. My point was that with homosexuals, you get a distillation of the differences between the sex drive of the genders. Men's sexual behavior with other men is what straight men would like to have with women, if women were interested.


I don't know who you guys are hanging out with but women have sex drives that are as strong as men's, at least. However they are less keen on fucking on a dirty sheet, right away before their pussy is wet, with someone they don't respect or like, in an alley, when the guy's breath smells like his ass and so on. Face it guys, most of you would fuck people you hate who smelled bad in a dumpster if she had big tits and an OK face. That doesn't mean you have stronger sex drives, it means, well, it means you have some problems.

Any minute now I know this thread will turn towards Science and Society. I just know it.

So the men are bisexual?
No, though I am not Alfred Kinsey, I won't go into indepth analysis of sexual orientations. What people put up or pull out their butt is their cup of tea. What I do know is that the female clitoris has 10,000 more nerves than the tip of a male shaft. Thats why women easily enjoy sex better than men. Ever heard of a woman having whole body vibration during sex? Men think about sex more than women because of many reasons. They(men) are thus handicaped in having full body orgasms, which is why they subconciously seek pleasure from women to women, its a never ending pursuit. That, plus the fact that the modern society constantly wear us men with sexy women in the media. Most men didn't know what side of their baby crib smells the worst before the media got to them. For example, In the UK, nude women are posted in National newspapers every now and then. I think the number one reason women are not visualy or easily attracted to heterosexual sex is because they can always get it. When you don't know when or where you will get your next rollercoaster ride, you will always appreciate the one you have, I don't care if you have natural sex inhibiting hormones or super maniac estrogens. Men have been offering women sex since a women could recite the alphabet. If men could teach young girls how to spell penis in kindergaten, they would make it a requirement. Not surprisingly, like all problems men usually have, they usually cause it themselves. Another reason why women seem to have low sex drive is because women are attracted to other women. Deep down in the very gut of every woman, they are attracted or fantasized about other women. Every guy that grew up with sisters know what I am talking about. I don't know why women peak in their 30's, probably a myth more than anything. However its very likely due to the fact they simply have nothing or less to do.

I think this thread just took a small course-correction towards Happeh-land. But speak on, sage.

In my experience, judging from all the couples I know and including my own relationship, sex for women, comes pretty low on their list of priorities

Not all women, and not all phases of development. But those that do is because they are too preoccupied with stuff. For example, taking the asininity that men dish out from all directions. Plus, you would also have low sex drive if blood comes out from your penis every once a month. The penis wouldn't appear as just a sex organ in that instance.

What are you, a polar bear? you oughtta be ashamed of yourself swivel :D ;-)


Rick

I'm a control-freak. I understand the genetic urges which were once beneficial for my survival, but now try to make me their slave. I try to control these urges so that I can live my life for myself, and not for my genes.

When I was in college, I felt the ability for these urges to distract me away from my studies, so I decided to forego having sex. I went a little over 5 years, from age 21 to age 26 without having intercourse. Even though this led to the breakup of several relationships with women who thought that it was a noble endeavor, but must have thought that I would "grow" out of it (pardon the pun). When I wouldn't relent, I had three different women stop dating me. (Not in anger, mind you, it was a discussed, rational decision on our part)

My current girlfriend (wife, really. We have been together over 5 years, she has a ring and my undying commitment, we just aren't religious, so we haven't signed any paperwork) was important enough to me to have sex with. We probably have sex 10 times a year, which is a huge sacrafice for both of us. If our relationship wasn't so perfect in so many ways, she would probably leave me like the other women have. Our saving grace is her lack of desire for children.

When I look at all the things people do because of an urge to reproduce (even when they consciously DON'T want children), it makes me sad. They waste money on fancy clothes. They adorn themselves with perfumes and makeup. They go out every night to bars and clubs and perform mating rituals. They distance themselves from family and friends, they ignore responsibilities to work, school, self-improvement. They do all of these things because their DNA wants to be copied. And they aren't even aware that THIS is why they *feel* like doing these things. They are just scratching an itch. And they consume their entire lives with this endeavor, wasting the precious time they are allotted.

To each his own, which is why I do my own thing and don't preach to other people in my life. But this doesn't prevent me from being saddened when I see how miserable people make themselves in these pursuits.

In my experience, judging from all the couples I know and including my own relationship, sex for women, comes pretty low on their list of priorities

Not the women I know.
But let's consider the possibility that women want intimicy to be present when they have sex more than men want intimacy. We should not confuse women's desire for intimacy and their reaction when it is not present with having a lower sex drive.

Not all women, and not all phases of development. But those that do is because they are too preoccupied with stuff. For example, taking the asininity that men dish out from all directions. Plus, you would also have low sex drive if blood comes out from your penis every once a month. The penis wouldn't appear as just a sex organ in that instance.

Men are able to focus and not notice to an almost pathological degree. Culture, nature, who cares. They can. This is often confused by men as meaning they have stronger sex drives or more sexual needs.

Wrong.

For men sex has tremendous value in and of itself. They get value from adding a woman to their hit list. They get value from sleeping with a woman they dislike but who has big tits. they are wildly more interested in paying for sex even though they know the woman they are having sex with probably hates them.

Men are more able to disconnect emotions and other sensory impression and just focus on the penis in the vagina.

They are better at not noticing.

So don't buy any of the hallucinations aimed at women here.

Not the women I know.
But let's consider the possibility that women want intimicy to be present when they have sex more than men want intimacy. We should not confuse women's desire for intimacy and their reaction when it is not present with having a lower sex drive.

I don't know what you mean by intimacy, but it becomes tedious when they always want the big build-up, the special time (bedtime), the bed (as opposed to anywhere else), the massage, etc, and refuse to experiment or try anything they haven't already got used to.