According to this article, there's no such thing as female sexual dysfunction: http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=589

It's just a myth made up by drug companies looking to make money out of supposed treatments... But what about the (female) inability to orgasm? Isn't that classed as female sexual dysfuntion?

Here is the position of the psychiatrists:
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0030178

Does a woman need to orgasm in order to conceive a baby?

Since the answer to that is (I think) no, I don't think you could class inability for a woman to orgasm as sexual dysfunction.

Does a woman need to orgasm in order to conceive a baby?

Since the answer to that is (I think) no, I don't think you could class inability for a woman to orgasm as sexual dysfunction.

Spoken like a true man. :rolleyes:

Well, think about it.

What's the actual purpose of a female orgasm?

I have heard that during a female orgasm the cervix gets dipped into the pool of semen (ugh) increasing the chances of conception but this is contested and relies on something that would almost never occur in "non-enlightened" i.e caveman sex. If women were meant to orgasm our cocks would be shaped differently.

If women can conceive without orgasming then why would the lack of ability to orgasm be sexual dysfunction bearing in mind the function of sex in the first place?

One theory:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-19960101-000028&page=2

One theory:

That article confirms my own experience.

I distinctly remember the moment of conception as being an act of will, emotionally and mentally.

--- Ron.

Wait. I thought all was vanity?
All of you don't have a bit of dramatics.

A true man, btw, wishes for these things. I think the ignorant speak for themselfs. Of course, that is just dramatic bitch speaking, though.

THERE IS a disfunction of the female sex.
It is simple. It is when the female doesn't have a g spot. Of course, if you call this female sexual dysfunction that is entirely up to you;
but this is just a little willy dilly.

Spoken like a true existabrent fan.

So. What's the cure? Extasy? Or rufies?

Women orgasm for the same reason men have nipples.

Women orgasm for the same reason men have nipples.

I guess you missed the link I posted :bugeye:

I didn't 'miss' anything, I just didn't follow it.

as existabrent said, the real men know who they are. :D

*bows in acknowledgement of the recognition*

in an attempt to take this seriously ;) i'll say that i've been known to stick around if the guy's good in bed and sneak out the window (or throw him out onto the porch) if he sucks.

What no second chances?

What if he's overly excited to begin with?

Guys need to learn how to use their tongues. A cunnilingus expert can satisfy most women. Even the guys that are overly excited.

What no second chances?

What if he's overly excited to begin with?

maybe one more chance. especially if he's sexually exciting. ;)

Guys need to learn how to use their tongues. A cunnilingus expert can satisfy most women. Even the guys that are overly excited.

how can i say this?...

YES! :D

*bows in acknowledgement of the recognition*

*bows in acknowledgement of the recognition*

if you keep advertising your skills, oli, i will find myself in big trouble with my husband. :D

What did I miss? What skills has Oli been advertising? How?

let's just say his tongue is good for something besides talking. ;)

Dang! I step out for coffee and miss all the action!

i may have frightened him off. i told him my husband was a marine. :D

But I'm English. An English gentleman would never abandon a lady. Or two.

i think i like you entirely too much, oli. :p

They all say that. My only flaw - I'm fatally attractive to women (and some men).

Ya right!

http://www.ballistik-entertainment.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/NS-rofl.gif

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/tongue1dark.gif

come on, sam. you don't think he's adorable? ;)

Somehow the word that comes to mind is NOT "adorable"

all right. i'll behave

all right. i'll behave

I didn't imply YOU should

i should anyway. bad form to play with something you aren't going to buy. :D

What! You don't believe in window shopping?

Always squeeze the tomatoes to make sure they're fresh. You can put them back and shop elsewhere if you change your mind.
(You two are corrupting me).

I must admit, as a new user, i also seem to find Oli some what adorable. What's up with that??

i think he may be one of those rare men that has a purpose outside conception. :p
but then i'm only "coasting" right now. :D

Always squeeze the tomatoes to make sure they're fresh. You can put them back and shop elsewhere if you change your mind.
(You two are corrupting me).

now there's an idea.
come now, oli. corruption is fun.

but then i'm only "coasting" right now.
Coast? COAST?? When you're with me it's full-throttle all the way...

"dear husband, i have urgent business to see to in the UK. i'll be home as soon as i can. i have not gone to meet with the charming gentleman from sciforums. love, willa"

Now, now nubia, I don't have a husband, i really think it's in YOUR best interest,i go to UK and do the meeting......i'll report to you every day...honest..;)

What was the topic again?

dysfunction girls, not dysfunctional!

only if you take pictures and make movies. make sure the sound quality is decent. :p

What was the topic again?

dysfunction girls, not dysfunctional!

technically we are discussing sex for pleasure. eh, oli? ;)

ha ha....:)

technically we are discussing sex for pleasure. eh, oli? ;)

Er, wasn't that a different thread?

during a female orgasm the cervix gets dipped into the pool of semen (ugh)

(UGH) Speaks volumes.

lets test it...........Fartist (ugh) yep, your right....;)

technically we are discussing sex for pleasure. eh, oli?
Depends. What's your upper tolerance limit? I wouldn't want you dying on me.
I keep wondering whether or not to answer the sex for pleasure thread...

oh, my. you're right, sam.
oli has befuddled me.
*ahem!*
we are discussing the benefits of a night with oli for women with sexual dysfuntion. :D
i personally feel that i might need to be the first to test this theory. :p

Lets see you write a letter to your husband explaining your latest post Nubia ;)

we are discussing the benefits of a night with oli for women with sexual dysfuntion.
A night? One? I told you I don't do casual sex. :D

I like to watch *getting comfortable with wine and notebook*

Carry on like I'm not here.

I'm sorry Oli, you don't have a say in this matter, WE will let you know what the future holds for you...right girls??!!

Voyeurism is probably in a thread of its own.

I'm sorry Oli, you don't have a say in this matter
That, also is what I've said in a previous post.

It's NOT voyeurism!!

I'm studying female sexual dysfunction:causes, consequences and treatment.

Lets see you write a letter to your husband explaining your latest post Nubia ;)

"dear husband, i have urgent business to see to in the UK. i will be back as soon as i can. it will probably only take one or two nights. maybe three or four...actually, i'll call you when i'm on the way. love, willa."
:D

lol. love it!!!!!! ;)

sadly, the better part of my life has been spent juggling men. i didn't want to do it. it's just that i couldn't find all the qualities i wanted in just one man. :(
so i had to divide them up like mixed CDs.
just kidding. :p
i spent my life being "one of the guys". by the time a guy realized i was a girl, i wasn't interested in him romantically anymore. tragic.

I think i'm going through that phase now Re:can't find all the qualities in one man.
Should we be lowering our standards now, to save us being lonely in the long run?? Your great Nubs..

Should we be lowering our standards now, to save us being lonely in the long run?? Your great Nubs..
So then the choice is between losing your self-respect (for lowering your standards) or staying lonely?
If you keep your self-respeect and maintain your standards then there's a chance someone will come along.
If you lower your standards you won't be lonely, but you won't be you any more.
How long can you keep that up?

Oli, will you stop saying all the right things PHElease!!!!!....... just give me a yes or no answer!!!
So, you must believe that there is in fact a perfect match for everyone of us?? A custom-made partner?? If not, perhaps we all lower out standards subconsiously to make ourselves believe that we are with "the one"
I don't think i should lower my standards, but it was just a passing thought, that perhaps it's that attitude that will see me getting old alone..

oli's right. i did sacrifice my self-respect. it brought me false companionship in that the people i occupied myself weren't what i wanted. i had to customize myself to fit with them. not cool.
however, the one for me was under my nose the whole time. my husband and i have this unique beginning:
first day as a freshman in highschool. standing in the doorway of my geometry class. i'm perusing the room to see where i would like to sit. i notice a particularly dark young man sitting quietly engrossed in his book. i think he's cute and i toy with the idea of flirting with him but he looks as if he wouldn't appreciate the interuption.
i go and sit with a girl i was in middle school with. she's yammering on about something, while i nod my head at all appropriate instances when suddenly he turns to face us(he's sitting right next to us) and says, "did you know that if you take a knitting needle and insert it at a 45 degree angle to the bridge of the nose into someone's left eye, it will go directly in the middle of the pain center of the brain. it will cause them excruciating pain but won't kill them."
the girl, a girly girl, immediately begins freaking out. "oh, my god! oh, my god!" i was debating on whether or not i should follow suit (the accepted reaction) or not. then i saw his satisfaction at her response and something in me didn't want to give him any such satisfaction. so i began to relay my own personal thoughts on torture and a beautiful friendship was born. we've been trying to outdo each other for the last 14 years.
the point is (finally) the one looking for you won't always be the one you're looking for. :)

Awwww...Nubs, i hope i have a story like yours to tell some day ( i will admit though, i would have been the girly girl freaking out in your story)

that's fine. the point is, i did what i do and he liked it. your partner will like you for who you are. not who you think you should be.
get it? :)

yes,i'm picking up what your putting down...

what happened to sam? she's usually my team-up-and-make-oli-blush partner. nice to meet you by the way. i'm american. pleasure working with you. :D

I'm Aussie, nice to meet you to. I have just discovered the magic of forums ( late i know) Well, Oli, seems to have dissapeared aswell, perhaps Sam is working on him "one on one".....hmmmm we must form an alliance, she can't be trusted..

Oli, will you stop saying all the right things PHElease!!!!!....... just give me a yes or no answer!!!
It's not a maths test: there is no "yes or no answer". It's about chice and consequence. And if I gave you AN answer and it turned out not work I'd be the one to blame (in your mind). There are no ANSWERS, just solutions that work, or not.
So, you must believe that there is in fact a perfect match for everyone of us??
I once believed that. And so did my partners. Unfortunately their perfect match was always somebody else... No longer.
If not, perhaps we all lower out standards subconsiously to make ourselves believe that we are with "the one"
There was study done on men's perception of beauty. A man will subconsciouly adjust his definition of what is beautiful in accord with the what is "available". If he moves to a town of "ugly" women he will (subconsciouly) re-adjust his perceptions until the norm for that town is "his" norm for judgement. So it's possible it happens with other traits... Plus of course there's the self-delusion: he's gorgeous, kind, good with kids but can never be bothered to wash. You make allowances and convince yourself they don't matter. In a lot of cases they really don't. But lust can cover a multitide of faults :D
I don't think i should lower my standards, but it was just a passing thought, that perhaps it's that attitude that will see me getting old alone.. And you seem to be in increasing company.
Personally if you think you're worth something then why should you settle for second best? Do you deserve the best or not?

I heard that! Sam was hungry (its 2 pm here) and was enjoying a noodle bowl; unfortunately noodle bowls are wet and Sam is still paying for her Powerbook G4 (halfway there); so Sam was keeping away from it

heard you loud and clear.

Sam- i stand corrected, my apologies... how were the noodles??

Oli - Hell yeah, i deserve the best!!!!!! We all do!!! (Once again, answered my own question)

Nubs.. their both back, at the same time coincidentally......THEY can't be trusted....;)

Sam- i stand corrected, my apologies... how were the noodles??



Great! They make them fresh in the cafeteria, which keeps me lazy as hell.

Nubs.. their both back, at the same time coincidentally......THEY can't be trusted....;)

Duplicity from a sister! Sob!!

lol. I didn't mean it, friends???
Hmm, now I am hungry...might need to go do a Sushi run..

None taken

Ok gotta go now; see y'all around.

wow, i'd expected everybody to be back by now. ah, well. i suppose it's up to me to continue on. :rolleyes:

so here we have it. truth or fallacy: female sexual dysfunction.
some would insist that because a woman can have sex, in the physical sense, regardless of arousal that no such ill can exist. and others claim that if a woman does not achieve orgasm, she suffers from it.
i confess i have yet to reach orgasm during sexual intercourse. yeah, it is what it sounds like. :D however, i maintain a healthy appetite for the exercise anyway. do i, then, have a sexual dysfunction? i prefer to think no. i enjoy the act to such an extent that the orgasm is not actually necessary.
but like any hot-blooded female i am always on the lookout for anything, education or chemical, that can help me to increase my pleasure to "peak" conditions.
any suggestions?

I can't work this one out. According to the articles we have
A ) FSD is a myth to sell drugs and
B ) female orgasm is not a pre-requisite for pregnancy
So why is it the "ability" there? Again according the article Sam linked to it's postulated that it's a method of keeping the female attached to male (he gives her pleasure so she stays with him).
If the FSD drugs work (there was another link posted somewhere that was virtually an automatic orgasm pill - with or without sex) then what's that going to do to society?
Women can get an orgasm any time they want by popping a pill, they're financially independant, they can get pregnant without letting the guy know that they are - is there going to be an increase in mother and child families, where she's got permanently tousled hair and a large grin?

I can't work this one out. According to the articles we have
A ) FSD is a myth to sell drugs and
B ) female orgasm is not a pre-requisite for pregnancy
So why is it the "ability" there? Again according the article Sam linked to it's postulated that it's a method of keeping the female attached to male (he gives her pleasure so she stays with him).
If the FSD drugs work (there was another link posted somewhere that was virtually an automatic orgasm pill - with or without sex) then what's that going to do to society?
Women can get an orgasm any time they want by popping a pill, they're financially independant, they can get pregnant without letting the guy know that they are - is there going to be an increase in mother and child families, where she's got permanently tousled hair and a large grin?

You forgot to add according to the article SM linked to this morning, soon we won't even need the guys for sperm, we can make it in a petri dish; we may have to keep you guys around for taking out the trash though

wow, i'd expected everybody to be back by now. ah, well. i suppose it's up to me to continue on. :rolleyes:

so here we have it. truth or fallacy: female sexual dysfunction.
some would insist that because a woman can have sex, in the physical sense, regardless of arousal that no such ill can exist. and others claim that if a woman does not achieve orgasm, she suffers from it.
i confess i have yet to reach orgasm during sexual intercourse. yeah, it is what it sounds like. :D however, i maintain a healthy appetite for the exercise anyway. do i, then, have a sexual dysfunction? i prefer to think no. i enjoy the act to such an extent that the orgasm is not actually necessary.
but like any hot-blooded female i am always on the lookout for anything, education or chemical, that can help me to increase my pleasure to "peak" conditions.
any suggestions?

1. You're in good company
Research shows that a third of the women never achieve orgasm; only a tenth orgasm during intercourse. In comparison, studies have shown that men fail to orgasm only 2% of the time during intercourse.

2. Self help is the best form of help
More of the women were able to orgasm during masturbation, with 34% always reaching orgasm.

3. Its all in the genes
Professor Spector, director of the Twin Research Unit at St Thomas' Hospital in London, said: "We found that between 34 and 45% of the variation in ability to orgasm can be explained by underlying genetic variation.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4616899.stm

any suggestions?


I'll have what she's having: Time for Women to take a Stand!!!

high doses of fish oil she took in preparation for pregnancy and the kegel exercises she practised afterwards to restore lost vaginal muscle strength led her to easily achieve vaginal orgasm

she claimed a whopping personal best of 52 vaginal orgasms in one session

http://www.smh.com.au/news/womenshealth/ill-have-what-shes-having/2006/06/21/1150845239029.html

You forgot to add according to the article SM linked to this morning, soon we won't even need the guys for sperm, we can make it in a petri dish; we may have to keep you guys around for taking out the trash though
And carrying this week's shoe shopping quota to the car...
Research shows that a third of the women never achieve orgasm; only a tenth orgasm during intercourse. In comparison, studies have shown that men fail to orgasm only 2% of the time during intercourse.
Looking at those figures I'd ask for a refund if were you... or better lovers :D
If those numbers happened to guys how big would the research budget be?

she claimed a whopping personal best of 52 vaginal orgasms in one session
Damn, they've finally synthesized me...

Looking at those figures I'd ask for a refund if were you... or better lovers :D
If those numbers happened to guys how big would the research budget be?

Where do I go for a refund/exchange?

Exactly!

:eek: i step away to make dinner...

i read that women aren't anatomically put together to achieve orgasm during intercourse (unless you're flexible as hell) anyway. most of women's sensitivity is in the clitoris, which sadly, is outside the vagina (god is a man :D ).
unless you want to count the "g-spot". now that is something i've experienced. almost worth the cleanup. :p

:eek: i step away to make dinner...

i read that women aren't anatomically put together to achieve orgasm during intercourse (unless you're flexible as hell) anyway. most of women's sensitivity is in the clitoris, which sadly, is outside the vagina (god is a man :D ).
unless you want to count the "g-spot". now that is something i've experienced. almost worth the cleanup. :p


I quote:

There are no frigid women, only inept men!!

Damn, they've finally synthesized me...

Oh? What's your personal best?

i wanna hear this. :D

You mean my personal best for me or for her? And over what length of time?
Panic. Women asking questions... personal questions.

You mean my personal best for me or for her? And over what length of time?
Panic. Women asking questions... personal questions.

All of the above

Panic. Women asking questions... personal questions.

don't be afraid, oli. just answer the questions... :D

Aw shucks. I've gone red...
Ahem. Lots, loooots and eight hours. Okay?

Aw shucks. I've gone red...
Ahem. Lots, loooots and eight hours. Okay?

Thats not sufficient information; you saw the 52 vaginal orgasms and claimed they had synthesised you; ergo you must give a range in terms of numbers; you. her. duration.

Come on man, get going. We haven't all day here.

We haven't all day here.
Not what she said...
Okay. It might not have been 52. I didn't exactly count. I had far more interesting things going on than taking notes.
Eight hours. I honestly have no idea, other she "complained" afterwards she was so tingly she couldn't even stand up.

Not what she said...
Okay. It might not have been 52. I didn't exactly count. I had far more interesting things going on than taking notes.
Eight hours. I honestly have no idea, other she "complained" afterwards she was so tingly she couldn't even stand up.

*grudgingly*

Ok

Now methods.

What methods did you use to keep going (both of you) for umm 8 hours?

( I strongly suspect you are making this up!!)

What methods did you use to keep going (both of you) for umm 8 hours?
We fancied the arse off each other. It's the only guaranteed aphrodisiac I know.
And I'm not making it up.

fancy?! i fancy the rear off my husband. that's usually why he's at his knees by the 15min. mark. :D

Try pacing things :p

can't help myself. he's so yummy. :D

btw, i was thinking of starting a new thread entitled "Does Size Matter?"
i wonder how it will go over? :D

can't help myself. he's so yummy. :D

btw, i was thinking of starting a new thread entitled "Does Size Matter?"
i wonder how it will go over? :D

With a majority of men? They'll all read but I don't know how many will post; Oli's turning green already-waaaay past red.

Try it - and the reply thread will be "D or Double D - which is best?", I bet.

In that case nubian, go for it.

I always wanted to know why men had this breast fetish

The replies will be:
"What do I care, I'm huge anyway"
"It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it"
"I've never had any complaints"
"It's her fault, I'm perfect"
and the odd smart-arse spam.

i think i will. and i just want you to know, oli, that i am a DOUBLE D :D

seriously, every man i talk to says "more than a mouthful is a waste". :rolleyes: never thought my breasts would be confidence concern. how many women worry that their breasts are too big?! :bugeye:

Surely some men will be objective and scientific?

Is it not a science forum?

Can we not be rational and logical about it?

http://home.att.net/~candy.stair/rofl.gif

i think i will. and i just want you to know, oli, that i am a DOUBLE D :D

seriously, every man i talk to says "more than a mouthful is a waste". :rolleyes: never thought my breasts would be confidence concern. how many women worry that their breasts are too big?! :bugeye:

Well I'm only a D so I never had those concerns; or complaints either!

i'm in the south. white men like white women. black men like either, but mostly black women. the black guys like rear ends. the white men like legs and breasts. but only "mouthfuls". :rolleyes:

I guess women have to live with what men think they want everywhere

I guess women have to live with what men think they want everywhere

not me! and NOT you. we are strong women, sam. too bad about the barbies though... :D

Double D is a mouthful? I know people say Americans have big mouths, but... :D
Sam: yes I expect you will get some serious answers. But maybe far more not so serious.

Double D is a mouthful? I know people say Americans have big mouths, but... :D
Sam: yes I expect you will get some serious answers. But maybe far more not so serious.

no. i am one of the undesirables because i have more than a mouthful.
i'm moving to someplace where barbies don't rule. where is that again?

My place?

My place?

that reminds me. i have to write that note and get plane tickets. will i be needing a hotel as well, oli? :D

You think we'll actually reach a hotel? Okay I can wait the extra ten minutes...

i better go before i get into trouble.
husband thinks i love the computer more than him...silly man.

good night, sam, oli.
don't do anything i wouldn't do...come to think of it, you might not want to do most things i would. :D

Goodnight.

Goodnight

According to this article, there's no such thing as female sexual dysfunction: http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=589

It's just a myth made up by drug companies looking to make money out of supposed treatments... But what about the (female) inability to orgasm? Isn't that classed as female sexual dysfuntion?Every time I hear the word “dysfunction” I wonder what the ‘healthy standard” is, against which an anomaly is measured.

If we say that being 3 feet tall is a physical dysfunction then we take an average height and compare a diminutive state. We rarely do the same for the opposite extreme, except when it threatens one’s life, such as Gigantism, but that’s another story.

I mean what do we mean by “normal” behavior?
Is the average that which we seek to measure ourselves against?

Isn’t psychiatry, as it is currently practiced, a way of ensuring a common behavioral pattern which enhances the feeling of belonging and contentment within the fold?

Are not psychiatrists, in fact, specialists who try to maintain social stability by eradicating or by sedating the extremes?

Every time I hear the word “dysfunction” I wonder what the ‘healthy standard” is, against which an anomaly is measured.

If we say that being 3 feet tall is a physical dysfunction then we take an average height and compare a diminutive state. We rarely do the same for the opposite extreme, except when it threatens one’s life, such as Gigantism, but that’s another story.

I mean what do we mean by “normal” behavior?
Is the average that which we seek to measure ourselves against?

Isn’t psychiatry, as it is currently practiced, a way of ensuring a common behavioral pattern which enhances the feeling of belonging and contentment within the fold?

Are not psychiatrists, in fact, specialists who try to maintain social stability by eradicating or by sedating the extremes?

that is an interesting perception. i suppose most people consider "underdeveloped" as being less than your potential. like your body, for whatever reason, probably bad, didn't grow as large as it should have. while taller people surpassed their potential. like you said, surpassing only being bad if the person is in danger.

as far mental states, well. a lot of the time mental states are dangerous to the person and those around them. also mental states tend to progress or degenerate if left unattended.

that is food for thought, though. :D