Okay......so women......what's the best way to get there????


Hahah, no no, that's not the purpose of the post. Oh I crack myself up.


My question is, why do women have the ability to have an orgasm? Evolutionarily speaking. Women already have an instinct to reproduce without the enjoyment of sex being there I believe, so why an orgasm? What purpose does it serve? And out of curiosity, will it be lost in further evolution?

Okay......so women......what's the best way to get there????

If you have to ask, you're doing somthing wrong.

Women already have an instinct to reproduce without the enjoyment of sex being there I believe, so why an orgasm?

So do men, ja? The purpose is the same, to facilitate pair bonding. Perhaps to increase chances of conception....

And out of curiosity, will it be lost in further evolution?

What further evolution? This is another topic entirely, but I believe that we will be guiding our evolution within the next 200 years (conservative!), if'n we don't kill ourselves first.

"If you have to ask, you're doing somthing wrong."
They don't call me the king for nothin'.


"So do men, ja? The purpose is the same, to facilitate pair bonding. Perhaps to increase chances of conception...."

Wrongo, Xevster. Men need to orgasm to reproduce, women don't.




And also, why the G-spot? It wasn't even really 'discovered' for it's purpose until well into our existence.

Wrongo, Xevster. Men need to orgasm to reproduce, women don't.

At the risk of sounding like a lawyer (Do I sound like a lawyer? I got that comment again today. What the hell?!)......Technically, you only need to ejaculate.....

However, sexual pleasure is not limited to orgasm. The assertion stands.

Ooops.

And also, why the G-spot? It wasn't even really 'discovered' for it's purpose until well into our existence.

Damn you Tyler, do you realize how many lame jokes I could make out of that statement?!

Anyways, same thing - pair bonding, pair bonding, pair bonding!

"Do I sound like a lawyer?"

Only a really sexy one that demands sexual favours from me when I say I am out of money and cannot afford your fees.

"Technically, you only need to ejaculate"

Touche. So then why the orgasm?

"However, sexual pleasure is not limited to orgasm. The assertion stands."

Yes, to increase the chances of reproduction (not so that pairs 'bond', I'm sorry Xev. Evolution has no purpose in us carrying on monogomous relationships, you know that). But like I said, without an orgasm the woman still has a huge instinct to reproduce.

"Damn you Tyler, do you realize how many lame jokes I could make out of that statement?!"

I actually was hoping you'd make a few :D

Only a really sexy one that demands sexual favours from me when I say I am out of money and cannot afford your fees.

Oh, okay, that's good I guess.

Touche. So then why the orgasm?

Pair bonding again, I would say. Also, to supplement instinct?

Men are weird, so I can't answer this one as well. Women are weird too, but at least I understand myself.....

Yes, to increase the chances of reproduction (not so that pairs 'bond', I'm sorry Xev.

You don't have to be sorry, it happens to all men occasionally.

Sorry.

Evolution has no purpose in us carrying on monogomous relationships, you know that). But like I said, without an orgasm the woman still has a huge instinct to reproduce.

Consider this:
Bonobos, dolphins and humans are some of the few animals known to have sex just for the fun of it. Bonobos, dolphins and humans are also some of the most intelligent animals on the planet.

Coincidence? I think not. All three animals have strong pair bonds, to last through childhood.

Remember that more intelligent animals have longer childhoods. (Neoteny). This is why a strong pair bond is needed, this is why orgasm and good sex is needed!

I actually was hoping you'd make a few

Considered it, but all were fairly limp. ;)

Just a small monkey wrench....

Almost all female can achieve multiple orgasms one after another, while male has to recharge....

Hmmmm, okay, I'm satisfied enough with your answer Xev. Now can we get to having sex?

See, I was going to attempt to think up a brilliant euphanism but, well....meh.


Guru, I think we can agree that if men didn't need to reload there'd be more babies than stars.

"Hmmmm, okay, I'm satisfied enough with your answer Xev. Now can we get to having sex?"

Of course I'm right, I always am.

Seriously, do you think that explains it well enough? I can't think of any real objections or counter-arguments.....

My place or yours?

Orgasm, physical pleasure, a reason to shag. More incentive, more reason, to reproduce, to keep the genes going.

I don't think it fully answers my question because I have a hard time believing that nature would need to throw us another reason to get it on. However, I also believe it's the best answer we have.

I just watched 4 hours worth of sex documentaries so I consider myself slightly educated on the topic.

Oh, and, I can still feel like the after-effects of shrooms, anyone know if this is normal/just in my head?

By the way, I have a new drug of choice. Scratch that, my drug of choice will always be women.

"I don't think it fully answers my question because I have a hard time believing that nature would need to throw us another reason to get it on. However, I also believe it's the best answer we have."

Not simply to get it on, but to stick with one another. Same function as love - to stick with one another.

Will note that female orgasm is probably a recent mutation, which would explain how comparativly variable it is.

"Oh, and, I can still feel like the after-effects of shrooms, anyone know if this is normal/just in my head?"

Goddam Tyler, your posting hasn't been affected. Then again, I post drunk and nobody seems to notice.

I have no clue, sorry.

Adam:
"Orgasm, physical pleasure, a reason to shag. More incentive, more reason, to reproduce, to keep the genes going."

Another good reason. Instinct didn't seem to cut it with men or with women - however, instinct alone dosen't explain why intelligence is strongly correlated with sexual pleasure.

Edit to add:

Tyler:

"I just watched 4 hours worth of sex documentaries so I consider myself slightly educated on the topic."

You watched sex documenteries while on shrooms? That's, umm, an odd high. :bugeye:

Many other animals breed in batches. We don't. Many other animals have offspring cvapable of survival quite soon after birth. We don't. Our infants remain weak for many years, unable to fend for themselves. Also, we humans survived the rigours of evolution and all by living in groups. What we have is a creature which needs to take every opportunity to breed, regardless of season and such, as often as possible. So if we're not triggered by seasons and availability of food, what drives us? Pleasure.

The muscle contractions during female orgasm serve to open her cervix and help facilitate the path of the male's sperm into her uterus. Same as the male's orgasm allows him to pump the sperm into her. Simple. Xev is absolutely correct about the pair-bonding too.

"Goddam Tyler, your posting hasn't been affected. Then again, I post drunk and nobody seems to notice."

Hehe, I think we should try posting under every possible situation.

"You watched sex documenteries while on shrooms? That's, umm, an odd high."

The shrooming was done yesterday, I'm just still feeling the after effects. If anyone wishes to hear about the wild day that was my shrooms experience I'll gladly post it.



Oh, and thanks guys. I'm taking this as a full answer.

"Hehe, I think we should try posting under every possible situation."

Oooh, you rake!

"The shrooming was done yesterday, I'm just still feeling the after effects. If anyone wishes to hear about the wild day that was my shrooms experience I'll gladly post it."

Certainly. I've never tried, should be interesting to know what it's like.

Okay, I don't remember everything but here's the short form.

First of all, these things taste like ass. They are the single most disgusting taste I have ever experienced.

About a half hour after I forced these things down my throat the feelings stopped being just like a marijuana high and become something new. We were in my friend's basement and all of a sudden the walls started to change. The paint on the walls just fell off of them and everything became very clear and sharp. The others were talking amongst themselves but I just stared at the wall for a while. After that I started thinking about philosophy and EVERYTHING made sense. I just looked in to the air and I knew the answer to every question. It was magical. Just to see every problem I had answered. Of course, looking back a lot of my 'answers' were jus nonsensical mumbo jumbo. Then I decided to get a drink. So I get up and go upstairs to get water. As I walk, another amazing experience comes. It was as if the entire room was filled with a slightly liquified version of oxygen and so I was walking through the room kind of in slow motion, but more just like I was very fluid-like. I can hardly describe it. The rest of the day I saw a bunch of really cool colours. And music, oh boy! Music was not sound, it was a feeling. I did not hear music, I felt it. It was very, very interesting. A Day In The Life is DEFINETLY the coolest song ever written. That huge rise in the middle was amazing. As the orchestra starts to build I look around and all of a sudden there's a bunch of musicians playing hteir instruments around me (of course, they are very very small as if they are far away, but right beside my head - again, hard to explain). Then when it builds the entire room becomes a bright colour that I can no longer picture or describe. When the piano starts playing everything I have just described disappears and in front of me I see my friend's face (he really was sitting there) but blocking his face is a piano key. Well, three actually. Two white keys with a black key in the middle. And as the piano plays that same note over and over I see the black key going down to the beat. But no one's pressing it. A while later the come-down was kind of like weed. But it was much, much longer

The rest either I don't really remember or it wasn't that interesting. Oh, I got scared at one point because I knew this was a wierd state to be in and I was afraid it would stay like that forever. All in all, an excellent experience which I will repeat.

It would be interesting to take a bunch of people, get them high on a hallucinogenic, and tape their philisophical conversation. Lets see how 'magic' their answers to the universe would be then ;)

Does anyone else think it's unfair that women have longer lasting orgasms.. but don't seem to be as interested in experiencing it? What a waste!

DEFINETLY a waste! I heard today they've come out with a new viagra that can last for 36 hours.



"It would be interesting to take a bunch of people, get them high on a hallucinogenic, and tape their philisophical conversation. Lets see how 'magic' their answers to the universe would be then"

It's like, solid, maaaaaan. Haha. A friend of mine goes on and on about his shroom experience we had where he was certain he knew the answer to every question. Now, about the best he can say about his 'answer' was that; 'everything was in layers'. That's it.

Pretty much, in my short experiences, when you're hallucinating you're completely illogical most of the time and too hung up on the hallucinations to be bothered talking to other people. That's once you get to the spaced-out hallucinating stage.

"Does anyone else think it's unfair that women have longer lasting orgasms.. but don't seem to be as interested in experiencing it? "

News to me.

"It would be interesting to take a bunch of people, get them high on a hallucinogenic, and tape their philisophical conversation. Lets see how 'magic' their answers to the universe would be then"

Ha ha, yeah. Make more sense than a lot of philosophy.

"DEFINETLY a waste! I heard today they've come out with a new viagra that can last for 36 hours."

Don't speak of such things, Tyler. No-one has the right to experience or speak about joy or pleasure on this darkest of days.
Now if you will excuse me, I am going to curl up in a dark place and weep. Soo close. So close. SO GODDAMNED CLOSE! *Sob*

Don't worry hun! The Wings will fight back!

Stevie Y will give an inspiring speech while only standing on one leg, Federov will block a shot, Shanahan will learn how to score again..... They will win yet!

Thanks Ty. They put up a hell of a game, though.

Good luck with the Leafs. I'm sure they'll win the next game - after all, they've come so far already.

"
"Does anyone else think it's unfair that women have longer lasting orgasms.. but don't seem to be as interested in experiencing it? "

News to me.
"

Well I didn't really mean in reality, it was meant partially as a joke, and partially as the majorities perception of women's sex drive. You know, all the jokes about masturbaition .. and there is a lot of stuff on TV about it. The sitcoms on TV at least. They aren't so bad anymore. Like on Seinfeld, Ellaine was part of the masturbaition bet too (or maybe it was all sex), and she lost it.

It's also a little odd, but in my school, a girl who has a lot of sex is a slut, but a guy who has a lot of sex is a guy. I'm not so sure if people take those seriously or not, but they always say it.

I know a nice girl who just bought 200 dollars of sex toys. She is really good looking too. I wonder how she got them though, since she is underage.

"News to me. "

So you'd at least agree that it's unfair then?? :)

And besides, masturbaition makes you go blind!

jjhlk:
"It's also a little odd, but in my school, a girl who has a lot of sex is a slut, but a guy who has a lot of sex is a guy. I'm not so sure if people take those seriously or not, but they always say it."

That's certainly what I've noticed. A weaker woman will give into social pressures - even believe them - but I think it's utter bull. There are those who do not pursue sex and there are those who would take the Epicuran stance that it's a waste of time and energy, but there's no real reason not to, provided one takes precautions.

Rather silly holdover from the Victorian era, IMAO.

"I know a nice girl who just bought 200 dollars of sex toys. She is really good looking too. I wonder how she got them though, since she is underage."

Are there age restrictions on who can buy sex toys?

"So you'd at least agree that it's unfair then?? "

Yep. Life is not fair. ;)

"And besides, masturbaition makes you go blind!"

Don't forget the hairy palms!

Take a look at this excerpt from an old book on the subject - great googly moogly!

http://www.morons.org/past/safecounsel7.php3

And besides, masturbaition makes you go blind!

May be that is why "eye-glass" and "contact-lens" is a big business.... :D

"Are there age restrictions on who can buy sex toys? "

Well, you need to be 18 to rent porno. So I thought that you would need to be just as old to buy sex toys. And XXX shops near where I live say 'adults only' on them. I really don't know for sure though.

Screw this stuff, what I want are tips! Tricks of the trade, so to speak. Little ideas about making the big O happen. :p

Nah-uh! I'm the only woman who has responded to this topic, and goddamnit, I'm going to extort money from you! Or somthing....

jjhlk:
"Well, you need to be 18 to rent porno. So I thought that you would need to be just as old to buy sex toys. And XXX shops near where I live say 'adults only' on them. I really don't know for sure though."

Hmm, guess you're right. I can't imagine them asking for ID, though - that would just be too weird. But what would I know?

Uh-oh, I just admitted to not knowing somthing about sex. I feel so dirty. :p

:eek:

porn movies can be downloaded from kazaa and other p2p networks with no age restriction

Oh no, but pornography is bad for you.

and I assume you want me to get rid of my collection, by giving it to you....:D

just joking, I have no collection....I value quality

So, what makes you think other species don't have sex just for the fun of it? I'd say it's more likely that they're wired not to enjoy it unless the female is fertile. But seeking pleasure and avoiding pain is HOW instincts work, what keeps us alive; Animals don't think, "Damn, this is boring, but gotta do it in order to have some cubs in a few months.". They have sex because it's pleasurable. Evolutionary wiring sees to it that it's pleasurable when it would be useful to have it.

As for humans having an instinct to reproduce, ever looked at the population statistics for nations with good medicine, birth control and old age pensions? There isn't a single advance nation where the people are having enough children to replace themselves!

We enjoy sex in order that we will have sex. In the absense of technology, sex leads to reproduction, so an instinct to reproduce would be redundant... An instinct to have sex does the job.

Then you introduce technology, so that people CAN have sex without reproducing. And you introduce old age pensions so that they think they don't have to have children to support them in their old age. And what happens? Why, they don't have children!

There isn't any instinct to reproduce, folks. If there were, people would go broke trying to sell contraceptives.

Arg.


"So, what makes you think other species don't have sex just for the fun of it?"

Certain chemicals released in the body are what control us having 'pleasure'. Other animals don't have these chemical's released, save the dolphin and one other animal I can't remember at hte moment. Maybe pig.


"There isn't a single advance nation where the people are having enough children to replace themselves!"

Where do people like you come from? Are you born with the intention to make up facts? Or is it taught?

In 2001 the U.S. had a birth rate of 14.4 per 1000 people. In the same year the death rate was 8.7 (source: United Nations World Almanac). Please learn how to not make up facts.


"There isn't any instinct to reproduce, folks. If there were, people would go broke trying to sell contraceptives."

We have an instinct to kill. Doesn't mean everybody does it, do they? Humans have intelligence which allows them to think logically. That's why we are able to deny our instincts a lot of the time.


Please don't be so stupid. Honestly.

"Oh no, but pornography is bad for you."

Right! Remember kiddies, when you download internet porn, you're jerking off with HITLER! (http://www.0-------------------------------------------------------------0.dk/jerkin.jpg)

Despite these measures being defeated late on the 10th of May we must assume that Bush's agenda has not changed. So not content with bombing Afghanistan civilians, preparing to kill Iraqis and hurling America back into the McCarthy era with his anti terror laws, President Bush plans to eradicate teenage sex before marriage. He has declared a War on Hormones and is set to do battle with every teenage erection, secretion and moistening in the world. It is a war he can not win, not unless he wires up every teenage penis to receive electro shock therapy every time they have a sexual thought. Unfortunately, the rules of "fantasy politics" dictate that if this idea hasn't crossed Bush's mind yet it soon will and we could end up seeing US generals briefing the White House press corps on "Operation Enduring Voltage."

God knows what they plan do to teenage women. However, as two of the handful of countries to support the US in this matter were Sudan and Saudi Arabia I am sure Bush's new allies will think of something suitably barbaric.

George was joined on his Johnny Jihad by various other Islamic states, and the Vatican, thus effectively toppling Iran, Iraq and North Korea from the "Axis of Evil" league table. The Vatican's presence is to be expected, it is an institution so opposed to human pleasure that is should be renamed The Vatican't. It has long believed that sex should only occur within the sanctity of marriage. An idea made only more ludicrous by their reluctance to condemn their own priests fucking kids.

The US Christian right wing has made significant inroads into the White House and on the issue of sexual health is at the heart of policy creation. No where is this more evident than the case of Mr John Klink. Francoise Girard from the International Womens Health Coalition points out that " Klink was the strategist for the Holy See at previous international conferences now he is part of the US delegation." Should the Vatican allow us to conduct the Rizla paper test we would clearly see that you couldn't put said paper between the US and the Vatican on this issue.

I love this article. I disagree with the author on the WOT, but I love the guy's sense of humor. http://www.mtcp.co.uk/mark/articles.htm#top

Tyler, I'm not making up facts, I'm looking at them more closely. Your crude measure of births vs deaths fails to take into account the fact that we have a disproportionate number of women currently passing through their fertile years due to the baby boom, and a deficit of deaths due to improving medical care. If, however, you look at current lifetime fertility, based on numbers of births to women at different ages, you will find that we're below replacement. When that cohort of women passes beyond their age of fertility, the birth rate will plummet. It's kind of like a rocket whose engine has burned out, but which is still coasting upward... It may be gaining altitude, but it's still in free fall.

Freefalling is hardly the key word. All stats are per 1000.
1970 - 14
1980 - 16.2
1985 - 15.7
1990 - 16.0
1995 - 14.2
2001 - 14.4

As it stands, we're still up from 1970. And our death rates are on the decline (down 9.0 to 8.7).



"There isn't a single advance nation where the people are having enough children to replace themselves!"

Please learn to speak properly then. If at the current point in time people are having almost twice as many babies as people are dieing, they are replacing the dead. Understand?


And Xev, arey ou guys actually having a War on Hormones?

"And Xev, arey ou guys actually having a War on Hormones?"

EVILDOER!!!!!!!

Bushie wants high schools to be given money for teaching 'abstinance only' sex ed. Basically, abstinance only is where a bunch of teachers lie to us in order to convince us not to fuck until we're married.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP! They really think that people should wait until they married to fuck. There are two possibilities:

1: This dosen't work, but kids aren't taught the basics of prevention and cases of STDs and teen pregnencies go through the roof.

The first is more probable, the second is unspeakably horrible:

2: This actually works, and we end up a nation of 32 year old virgins.

*Xev is frightened and hides under her bed*

You can be still on your way up, but still in free fall, if you're not under thrust. I'm not confused, though you may be: The US population is not in an equilibrium condition, it's responding to a transient. Current birth rates are high due to the fact that there's an excess of women in their fertile years, and current death rates are low due to the fact that that same birth cohort haven't yet reached their high mortality years. That people immigrating to this country tend to be in their childbearing years also contributes to the distortion.

None the less, the fertility rate, the number of children women have during their entire lifetime, is about 2 in the US. That's not enough for replacement, given the fact that some of those children won't live long enough to have children themselves. And in this regard we're actually doing better than most developed nations, which have fertility rates as low as 1.4.

And this is happening, not because of some plague of infertility, or a famine, or anything like that. It's happening because people are chosing not to have children. That's not a choice we'd be making if we had an instinct to reproduce! Which is my point. We have an instinct to have sex. When children come along as a result, we have an instinct to raise them. But we do NOT have an instinct to reproduce. And why should we? Absent birth control, we wouldn't NEED an instinct to reproduce, the simple fact that sex was enjoyable, and leads to pregnancy, would suffice.

"As for humans having an instinct to reproduce, ever looked at the population statistics for nations with good medicine, birth control and old age pensions? There isn't a single advance nation where the people are having enough children to replace themselves! "

Yeah, when we were without technology and medicine people had lots of kids to be able to work on their farm.. But now people have kids because they actually want them.

As for the fairly simple animals, they have sex only because of hormones I guess.(?) There is a species of mice -- the male will develop and it's hormones will rage; and it will screw itself to death. (Is it worth it?:)) It just has so much sex that it wears itself out and it's immune system can't protect it from disease.


Xex:

Is that true? Bush has a war on drugs, terrorism, AND hormones now! Personally, I don't want him dealing with my erection. Why'd you guys vote him into office!!? Al Gore wasn't that bad. He wasn't 'old fashioned' at least. Right wing christians are WRONG for office!

jjhlk:

The article itself is hyperbole - there is no "War on Hormones". What I said is, unfortunatly, correct.

"Why'd you guys vote him into office!!?"

We didn't.

He lost the popular vote nationwide.
He would have lost the recount, but the Supreme Court decided in a non-partisan move that was coincidently along party lines that there shouldn't be a recount.

Of course, the supreme court wasn't politically motivated in this. :rolleyes:

" Right wing christians are WRONG for office!"

Damned right!

On the other hand, the Florida supreme court DID throw out the statutory deadline for finishing the SECOND round of recounts. And then threw out their own deadline, to give Gore yet another chance to win. That couldn't have had anything to do with it being run by Democrats, could it? :rolleyes:

By my reconning, Bush won two recounts, as well as the election. Just how many times did you want those ballots recounted? As many times as it took for Gore to squeek through by random chance? Seems that's what the Democratic Florida court had in mind.

Well, not to go off topic;

On the other hand, the Florida supreme court DID throw out the statutory deadline for finishing the SECOND round of recounts. And then threw out their own deadline, to give Gore yet another chance to win. That couldn't have had anything to do with it being run by Democrats, could it?

Of course not. Judges are always impartial. ;)

By my reconning, Bush won two recounts, as well as the election. Just how many times did you want those ballots recounted? As many times as it took for Gore to squeek through by random chance? Seems that's what the Democratic Florida court had in mind.

Bush would have won one of the proposed methods of recounting and lost the other three. He also lost the popular vote nationwide.

You forget that the ballots have been analyzed now - we know what would have happened. He would have won the method of recounting proposed by Gore but lost any other method.

No, unfortunately "the" ballots have not been analyzed. SOME of the ballots have been analyzed. The media consortium which funded the analysis decided to save money by only looking at the ballots which had been rejected by the counting machines.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

This is significant on two counts. First, there are classes of machine errors which cause invalid ballots to register as valid votes. You won't catch this if you only look at the ballots the machines rejected.

The second and more significant point is that Florida law unambiguously requires that any recount must recount ALL ballots cast. So the media consortium did not have sufficient data to reconstruct the results of any LEGAL recount, only recounts conducted in criminal defiance of the law.

Now, I will grant you that an illegal count conducted in criminal defiance of election laws was exactly what the Florida supreme court had ordered. That's why they got shot down by the federal Supreme court! (Here, read this (http://www.supremecourtus.gov/florida.html), it'll bring you up to speed on the legal arguments.)

Come to think of it, this also gets into the third reason the media's partial recount is meaningless; Because the Flordia supreme court was violating the election laws the legislature had enacted, and which the Supreme court had ruled were binding, the legislature was in the process of appointing a slate of delegates which would reflect the results of the earlier, legal recounts. So the partial, illegal recount ordered by the Florida supreme court wasn't going to matter in any case.

Oh, one last point from the media consortium report: Even THEIR counters were, when cross checked, shown to be reading the ballots in a partisan manner, with the Democrats seeing more votes for Gore, the Republicans seeing more votes for Bush. Machines, for all their capacity for error, at least don't care who wins...

Ballots and female orgasm?

I am confused. Should the topic be renamed Female Organism? :D

Hey, why do you suppose NOW is so obsessed with politics? :D

Okay now let's get back to the topic, which is extrEMEly interesting and fascinating to me. :D

Okay, women in here, I have a question. Why is it that men sorta shut down when they ejaculate, and yet women can have multiple orgasms? Is there any biological purpose there?

Please, no "because us girls are superior to you nya nya" comments. I've heard it all too often.

And I read somehwere that the female orgasm is more intense than the male orgasm. I wonder about that, too.

And another thing. Guys tend to get somewhat crazed about sex (alright, let's be honest here...any guy who disagreees with me and my observations is either castrated, impotent, or nonmasculine:D)
. Girls aren't. Unless I misread the innocent and cute expressions??? Why is this??

Uh, Xev, I just read some of your posts.

*Xev is frightened and hides under her bed*

?? Why are you scared of being a virgin? Virginity ain't so bad. PArdon me if I sound vulgar, but do you really like the idea that your spouse may have sucked and fucked with godknowswhatkindofshit? Sex is a form of commitment, though a LOT of teens forget it nowadays. Sex before marriage means you are taking that commitment for granted and you are not respecting your spouse. Also, sex has the power to create new life, that's why it is such a powerful force in society (that subconscious thought that it can do wonders...don't deny it. It affects society in biiiiig ways!!). And it shouldn't b misused.

I sound hypocritical, but I tell you that I do not plan to have sex before marriage. I choose to respect my future spouse. It's really up to you if you choose to do the same. Or maybe your choice is already made and you can't go back again. Tough luck then.

"Okay, women in here, I have a question. Why is it that men sorta shut down when they ejaculate, and yet women can have multiple orgasms? Is there any biological purpose there?"

You bet there is. For starters, if you could have multiple orgasms, do you think there would be many sane men around? If you could have sex, finish and be horny again within 30 seconds, do you think you'd lead a very happy life??? How much more rape do you figure there would be?

Okay, now seriously. The idea is to procreate (biologically speaking:D) , right? So the goal for the male is to spread his seed around, right? If a man can have multiple orgasms (start thinking back to caveman times here) and he finds a woman he's going to fuck her, wait the 10 required seconds or so and then fuck her again. He's not about to go looking for someone else when he has another waiting right there. And I'm betting this would end up pretty painful for the woman but I really don't know! Women, on the other hand, are designed to take the seed.


"And I read somehwere that the female orgasm is more intense than the male orgasm. I wonder about that, too."

As the sexual expert that I am (from years of, um, field study and what not, hehe) I can tell you that accordign to scientists on Discovery Channel and SexTV the female orgasm can be much more intense through the g-spot. Men, contrary to common knowledge, do have a g-spot. Um, but it's up your ass. Soooooooo, as such most heterosexual men never experience a g-spot orgasm.


"Unless I misread the innocent and cute expressions??? Why is this??"

Different peaks. Males aged 16-25 (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) reach their sexual peak. As in, this the age we're horniest and most sexually desiring (and, often, desirable!). Women, on the other hand, reach this peak around 36-40 (if there is a god, I fully believe this is his little cosmic joke). Also, women don't need to be as 'sex crazed' as men. In the animal kingdom it's rare that the woman is the one initiating sex. Humans initially were designed so thta a man finds a woman he wishes to make whopee with and does so. The woman's desire was irrelevant, really. Finally, women aren't as uninterested in sex as you may think. During most of the time, women are some-what interested. During a certain time (and I'm guessing most women here will back me up here) they are very, very interested in sex. Social pressure, of course, does hold them back from showing this too much.


"Why are you scared of being a virgin?"
Just to start, that wasn't what she was scared of.


"PArdon me if I sound vulgar, but do you really like the idea that your spouse may have sucked and fucked with godknowswhatkindofshit?"

No need to pardon yourself. I'm hoping my future wife has on 'sucked and fucked' a human being, so I will change your 'whatkindofshit' to 'who'. Okey?

Personally, I don't care. My future wife will likely not be a slut or a prostitute and I'm guessing I'll be well aware of any STD she may have had/has before I wed her. Her choice in life. I'm not about to base my opinion of a person on their sexual life.....as long as it's not too freaky!


"Sex is a form of commitment, though a LOT of teens forget it nowadays"

Ouch. I haven't given you my welcome to sciforums yet.....so; welcome to sciforums, please refrain from stating your opinion as a fact. Sex, biologically speaking (by your previous questions, I am taking a wild stab at thinking you're either atheistic or agnostic....so we can talk about sex biologically), is not at all a form of commitment. Sex is the only form of reproduction. In fact, men are not designed to be monogomous. At all. We're just the opposite! So that sex is 'a form of commitment' is ENTIRELY your ideal and value.


"Sex before marriage means you are taking that commitment for granted"
Like I said, sex is a biological necessity and in no way is a commitment.


"you are not respecting your spouse"

Now there's the kicker. To disrespect my spouse by having sex before meeting her would require her to (a) have the same view on sex as you...(b) have somehow convinced here that I either did not have premaritual sex or convince her it is unimportant. Otherwise, it's entirely her choice what shows disrespect to her....right?


"And it shouldn't b misused"

I'm glad you think you ahve the right and power to deside what everyone's morals should be. Could you also instruct me onto what is absolutely right and absolutely wrong on other debates? By the way, if you make this statement I would like to point out that you will only ever have sex once, twice....maybe three times in your lifetime. After all, biologically speaking, sex' pupose is to procreate. Anything else is misuse of sex. Therefore, have sex only when you want kids.

Enjoy!


"It's really up to you if you choose to do the same."

I must say, by eliminating every single woman who has had sex as a potential spouse you have consciencly ruled out many, many beautiful, brilliant and amazing women.

Zero, and you forgot one other argument for virginity before marriage: Venerial diseases. Basically the only reason they exist is promescuity; If we were all virgins until marriage, and monogamous afterwards, things like syphilus and gonerea, not to mention AIDS, would be extinct in a generation.

There's also the, how to put this, "conditioning" aspect. There's a certain amount of evidence from psychology that an extended period of intensive sexual activity with one person, especially if it's new to both of you, causes a form of imprinting, making you more likely to stay in love with each other. Honeymoons really do serve a biological purpose, after all. And it probably doesn't work nearly so well if you're already jaded.

Xev, I'm not a woman, but I DID do well in human anatomy and physiology, so I'm qualified to answer this: The reason women are ready to go again immediately, and men have this "refractory period" before we can orgasm again, is simply that male orgasm involves expending sperm and especially seminal fluid, and we only carry so much of those around with us, and only generate them so fast. So we need time to reload. And the woman doesn't, because she's on the recieving end. It's as simple as that. Orgasming before we had a wad to shoot would be pointless, from a standpoint of reproduction. Also, of course, erections are maintained by shutting off the blood flow from the penis, and if an erection is maintained for TOO long, the penis can suffer from lack of oxygen.

um

thats just silly

so you find "the one" and it dosn't work out

you can never have another partner cause you made a bad choice?

HA

silly

what happened before shouldn't MATTER

Zero:

For the record, I do not think that virginity per se is a bad thing.

Personally, I feel the lack of sexual experience to be shamefull after a certain age. But this is only speaking personally, of the standards I hold myself to.

A nation of virgins, however, is a very bad idea. Think of how many people would be running around cranky and sexually frustrated.

And I read somehwere that the female orgasm is more intense than the male orgasm. I wonder about that, too.

From talking to guys, I'd say it is. And longer lasting.

Poor men. :(

And another thing. Guys tend to get somewhat crazed about sex (alright, let's be honest here...any guy who disagreees with me and my observations is either castrated, impotent, or nonmasculine)
. Girls aren't. Unless I misread the innocent and cute expressions??? Why is this

Women seek commitment. Bloody hard to do if you screw every passing fellow.
Men seek to have as many children as possible. They aren't as "stuck with 'em" the way women are.

Thus, women who are monogamous will pass on their genes more, and men who screw around will pass on their genes more.

Tyler:

Her choice in life. I'm not about to base my opinion of a person on their sexual life.....as long as it's not too freaky!

Or lack therof?

Brett:
Xev, I'm not a woman, but I DID do well in human anatomy and physiology, so I'm qualified to answer this: The reason women are ready to go again immediately, and men have this "refractory period" before we can orgasm again, is simply that male orgasm involves expending sperm and especially seminal fluid, and we only carry so much of those around with us, and only generate them so fast. So we need time to reload. And the woman doesn't, because she's on the recieving end. It's as simple as that. Orgasming before we had a wad to shoot would be pointless, from a standpoint of reproduction. Also, of course, erections are maintained by shutting off the blood flow from the penis, and if an erection is maintained for TOO long, the penis can suffer from lack of oxygen.

Thanks. That does make sense.

Damn.

I'm sorry to admit this, I don't like to express pity, but -

I'm beginning to feel veeeeeeery sorry for your entire gender.

Not to mention that you get to live several years longer than us, on average, too. Real bummer for us, that.

On the bright side, though, I don't care what time of the month it is, and don't have any trouble with jar lids. Or 80 lb sacks of cement, for that matter... :D

K, I wanted to wait for the lady's opinion (koff koff). I did make a big hole in my logic, but...still, I think virginity until you marry is a great thing. LAck of sexual experience?? And is sexual experience or mental innocence (learning the first things with your beloved spouse, now I feel overly sentimental...a thing I hate) better? So is it the ability to please your partner or innocence? Hm. Personal choice I guess.

Tyler, I don't think sex is not a commitment. Yes it is. So biologically speaking, since few species find it an advantage to build long term single pairs, you would prefer practicing free love all your life?? So to you, there is no sense of marital fidelity or something? That could be dangerous.

It's a bit weird. Beofre you marry, you're going to bed with all these different people, and you're going to stop when you marry. That biiig transition could be difficult. Or will you still sleep around, along with your spouse?? Free love even during marriage? No wonder America has such a high divorce rate. No one considers sex a commitment, which is appalling in itself, and no one cares to control their immediate sexual desires. No self control at all, and no respect for one's spouse. Which is a bit pathetic. Any outlook on life should be respected, but keep in mind that America has one of the highest divorce rates in the world. I would not consider that a good thing.

Free love does not work, because sex has the potential power to create kids. It's not your generation's fault either, because your parents started the free love thing :D. But anyhow, free love can not lead to anything good. You're just giving in to your desires without any sense of self control or dignity. That's an act of idiocy Americans commonly commit.

And though I'm atheistic, and I do not have that retarded *sex equals sin* philosophy, I do have a sense of what is appropriate and what's not. Sleeping around is not. And true, all STI's and STD's would be gone if people did not sleep around. But sadly, mankind is frail.

I hope no one is in bed with anyone while reading this!?

Zero:
I hope no one is in bed with anyone while reading this!?

Does typing my response one-handed count?


(Yes, that's a joke)

Seriously, sex leads to stds, sure. But there are proper precautions that one can take.

Brett:
On the bright side, though, I don't care what time of the month it is, and don't have any trouble with jar lids.

It's late June.

Meh, mild discomfort, take a few tylenol, I still feel sorry for you guys.

Thanks, Tyler, for starting a thread that has given me more chuckles
than most: "My question is, why do women have the ability to have
an orgasm?"

Xev
"Men are weird, so I can't answer this one as well. Women are weird
too, but at least I understand myself..... "

kmguru
"Almost all female can achieve multiple orgasms one after another ..."

Tyler
"I just watched 4 hours worth of sex documentaries so I consider myself
slightly educated on the topic."

Adam
"Many other animals breed in batches."

Brett Bellmore
"There isn't any instinct to reproduce, folks. If there were, people would
go broke trying to sell contraceptives.

Tyler
"Certain chemicals released in the body are what control us having 'pleasure'.
Other animals don't have these chemical's released, save the dolphin and one
other animal I can't remember at hte moment. Maybe pig."

Zero
"I sound hypocritical, but I tell you that I do not plan to have sex before
marriage. I choose to respect my future spouse."

Tyler
"And I'm betting this would end up pretty painful for the woman but I really
don't know!

Zero
"... but do you really like the idea that your spouse may have sucked and
fucked with godknowswhatkindofshit?"

"Sex is a form of commitment, though a LOT of teens forget it nowadays."

Tyler
"... they are very, very interested in sex. Social pressure, of course, does
hold them back from showing this too much."

"Men, contrary to common knowledge, do have a g-spot. Um, but it's up your ass."

"My future wife will likely not be a slut or a prostitute "

Brett Bellmore
"If we were all virgins until marriage, and monogamous afterwards, things
like syphilus and gonerea, not to mention AIDS, would be extinct in a generation."

Xev
"Personally, I feel the lack of sexual experience to be shamefull after a
certain age."

And finally,
Zero
"And is sexual experience or mental innocence (learning the first things with
your beloved spouse, now I feel overly sentimental...a thing I hate) better?"

Take care, all ;)

Originally posted by Brett Bellmore
If we were all virgins until marriage, and monogamous afterwards, things like syphilus and gonerea, not to mention AIDS, would be extinct in a generation.It sounds good, unfortunately, it would not likely be so.

As one example, syphilitic women can transmit the infection to their fetuses at any stage of their disease. The following facts are from memory: approximately 75% of pregnant women with untreated primary syphilis and 90% of women with secondary syphilis transmit the infection to their fetuses. Birth by cesarean section is of little help, as T. pallidum is introduced directly into the circulation of the fetus while in the womb. A baby with congenital syphilis may appear perfectly normal at birth with symptoms of "septic" syphilis, most often manifested as multi- organ failure, occurring as late as age two.

So current carriers of the diseases can continue to propagate them. Unless you are willing to advocate eugenics, abstinence and monogamy would not eliminate STDs.

Peace.

I did not know...this topic is still going. No wonder...it takes longer...a lot longer for the female to achieve orgasm than male...:D

Goofyfish, "As one example, syphilitic women can transmit the infection to their fetuses at any stage of their disease. The following facts are from memory: approximately 75% of pregnant women with untreated primary syphilis and 90% of women with secondary syphilis transmit the infection to their fetuses. Birth by cesarean section is of little help, as T. pallidum is introduced directly into the circulation of the fetus while in the womb. A baby with congenital syphilis may appear perfectly normal at birth with symptoms of "septic" syphilis, most often manifested as multi- organ failure, occurring as late as age two. "

So, instead of being extinct in one generation, syphilis would be extinct in 1.05 generations...

Allow me to be as spartan with my reply: I disagree.

Peace.

Hm. I agree, though. If all the STI people died soon enough before they had children, same with the infected kids who are born with it (I think that happens all too often), it would quickly end.

One of the things about virginity is that once you lose it, you can NEVER go back. It is a privilege.

Besides, I didn't say it was not OK to suck and fuck if it's your spouse. Well, then, have all the fun you want. It's one of the good things about marriage, isn't it? Physical, emotional intimacy? Sharing, giving and taking...

Originally posted by Zero
If all the STI people died soon enough before they had children, same with the infected kids who are born with it (I think that happens all too often), it would quickly end.So, what, we euthanize all carriers, including children? Their chances of survival continue to improve dramatically as medical care improves.

Peace.

Well, it's their fault they got the STI so it's not exactly worthwhile to rush to find cures. Concentrate on prevention, and stop such stupidity like indiscriminate sexual activity. If you get AIDS, or something, it's your fault. Or your parents'. (if inherited)

There is a big exception, which is the case of rape. Hmm. Now that is a very unfortunate and twisted social phenomenon for which I have absolutely no answer, so you can have that one.;)

Any thoughts?

i think your an idot

A) what if you do the right thing and the condom breaks?
B) what if the person lied to you about having aids?
C) why does an inocent child who was only unfortunate enough to get infected parents deserve it?
D) what about the OTHER infection methods? (nedle stick injurys for nurses and the like)

i think your an idot

Ouch. That hurts :( and I think you're supposed to say "You're" instead of "your". And what do you mean idot???? i???? Anyway we'll let is pass since it's not the point here...

A) what if you do the right thing and the condom breaks?

Did I say that having sex before marriage was the "right thing" to do at all? Did I? Please, if you bothered to read even half of my posts this misunderstanding would not happen. If you get an STI by having sex before marriage you deserve it. No matter what precaution you take.

B) what if the person lied to you about having aids?

Duh, you get tested for AIDS before you get married. And if you trusted someone and got AIDS by sex before marriage, you deserve it. I'm not sure if testing is legally required for marriage (it probably is), but any sane couple would get tested. Both of them.

C) why does an inocent child who was only unfortunate enough to get infected parents deserve it?

Did I say that the kid deserved it? And while we're at it, why do minorities have to suffer discrimination? Did they deserve to be born minority?

A kid dying of an inherited STI is all the more reason for the parents to burn in their guilt. And all the more reason to promote abstinence before marriage (which, unfortunately, very few Americans even have the self control to do)

D) what about the OTHER infection methods? (nedle stick injurys for nurses and the like)

Nurses? If they remembered anything from their training they would follow proper sanity procedures. The ultimate penalty for not paying attention in training/class I'd say. All used needles are marked 'biohazard' in any proper hospital or clinic or any proper medical something.

Another thing. Same applies if you got an STI while having extramarital sex you doubly deserve it. Stick with your tested spouse.

I realize that this is impossible for most people in the US. Human is frail, and few people can stand up to the pressure. Very few people have the self control. But it is better to wait. And to stick to your spouse.


On something different here... um Asguard I seem to remember you from ArchSpace...am I wrong? I remember seeing the name "Assguard" somewhere...oops sorry I mean "Azguard" :D

Accidents are a fact of life. Nurses get tired. Yes all neadles are a biohazard, but if you accidently get bumped by some drunk, just after you take a sample from someone you dont know has aids, and stab yourself then what ?

If you want to make the person who has an accident responsible for the accident then your retribution is at least consistant.

An aids test before marriage - ok if you have touching faith in the system that says to you this is 100.00000% reliable. Me I don't buy it, accidents happen and not everyone is 100% logical , thoughtfull, awake, and wary 100 % of the time - or even 100% of the time there is a risk.

? How would a drunk get into a hospital? That's a weird hospital ...letting drunks into biohazard storage areas...does a professional taxi driver then be exonerated if he is tired and he crashes the car killing several people in it??? Explain.

I just watched 4 hours worth of sex documentaries so I consider myself slightly educated on the topic.

shut up tyler :) dont speak in euphemisms. i watch these "documentaries" too. in fact, i think the best ones are by that sexologist "jenna jameson."

Notice I said 4 hours! Not 'endless hours'!!!
hahahaha!

Endless hour? Lol...makes you rethink the definition of an hour...