Fashion

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by lidae, May 27, 2007.

  1. lidae Registered Member

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    Hi all, I really appreciate participating in your forum and will start
    my posting with new information.
    After the tragic attack on 9/11 and the war on terrorism, Islam remain
    the fastest-growing religion in America and in the world although
    religion is no longer dominates everyday life in Western society.

    "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar

    of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

    Famous people too: Singer "Cat Stevens" Oh, baby, baby it's a wild world,
     
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  3. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    I can't wait for part 2: 'Fashion Trends in Modern Islam'.

    It's surely coming, otherwise the title just doesn't make sense...

    (And no, of course it's not a bot..)
     
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  5. sandy Banned Banned

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    We have so many threads on Islam I can't keep up.

    We in America like our peaceful muslims who denounce terrorism.
    We don't like the ones who are/were planning to kill us.

    Hillary Clinton is a chameleon who will say anything to win a vote.

    Cat Stevens is on our no-fly list for his support of terror orgs.
     
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  7. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    When are you going to post this "new" info? We're all waiting with bated breath.

    Baron Max
     
  8. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    What does this have to do with fashion??? The "fashion industry" is the people who make clothes and cosmetics. I hope you know more about America than you've shown so far.

    Cat Stevens is an asshole who should be in prison.
     
  9. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    I think he/she is saying that islam is a fashion rather than a religion. Like Chanel only less sexy.
     
  10. lidae Registered Member

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    From what I've read from different people who have converted to Islam, there are a few main reasons for most conversions:


    1. Muslims and Christians agree that God is self-existent. This means that He does not derive his existence from anyone. Also they believe in Jesus, love him, and honor him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Jesus, on whom be peace.

    The Quran teach that Jesus is prophet or messenger from Allah and not a God so Quran denies the divinity of Jesus. The Qur'an says that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave, and that he raised the dead by God's leave.


    2. Islam is a religious lifestyle, not just a quick Sunday morning church visit and a label. Although some Christians do pray before each meal and spend much time with their Bible, etc.many don't in the USA. Islam is something that can't be shunted into a few spare hours. You pray five times a day. Your dress code is affected; even your food choices are explained in the Qur'an. Many converts like it because they feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious. Some people also studied Buddhism, flirted with Roman Catholicism or spent time with Quakers, but ultimately found them lacking.


    3. For women, it is a big and welcome change from the "in your face" sexuality of western culture. Women are not required by the Qur'an to veil. They are required to dress modestly and it is *recommended* that they cover their hair. However, most do veil and some go farther with niquab (the face screen) or other traditional clothes. Women dressed like this consider themselves marked as religious women, not easy dates. They don't get hit on. No one gawks at their bodies. They are clearly off limits sexually and many that I personally know say it is liberating not to have to conform to western standards of sexy dress, makeup and spending so much time and money on appearance. You buy a five-dollar hijab, put your hair in a ponytail and cover, wear long skirt and a tunic shirt -you're set.


    4. Islam is also growing because many people are not satisfied with Christianity. They feel it is too liberal, too fluid and changes for the culture. Islam on the other hand is more rigid and does not as a whole allow much for modern changes and the whims of society. Many like it because they feel other religions have loose standards.

    A person like me who is unfamiliar with Islamic teachings might be surprised to hear that Islam is not a “religion” in the narrow sense used by secular humanists and does not rely upon blind faith to make its case, but rather, encourages to use minds and For example, the Qur'an invites to ponder upon the wonders of creation, and challenges with intellectual arguments. Further study of the Qur'an demonstrates that sound reasoning and scientific knowledge confirm rather than contradict authentic revelation and its ability to satisfy the intellect whilst bringing peace to the soul. Also Islam deals with every aspect of life, spiritual and physical; its jurisprudence is based on a creed, instruction on worship, and ordinances regarding social, economic, and political aspects.

    That's what I got from Islam-online & Islam way women's board and a few other friends of mine. Stats taken by many college groups say that women convert 4 times more often then men.
     
  11. lidae Registered Member

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    Most Islamic societies aren't theocratic. I find it interesting that the three largest Islamic countries have had women heads of state (Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh), while the same can't be said of the three largest Christian countries.


    [[ Violence against women : Husbands or boyfriends murder three women each day in the United States. And more than 700 women are raped or sexually assaulted every day ]] AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
     
  12. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    What utter bullocks. This belongs in either the cesspool or the religion subforum but seeing as we've heard this exact same thing over and over the cesspool is probably best.
    Lidae try searching the forum before reposting something that has already been beaten to death
    Also preaching is against forum rules.
     
  13. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    I see you came here to propagate and preach, lidae, which is against the rules and spirit of Sciforums.

    If you want discuss Religion, there is forum designed for that. But first, read forum rules and use 'Search' option before you post.

    This thread goes to Cesspool.
     
  14. Exploradora Registered Senior Member

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    It is? Does using the God defense in secular discussions count as a rule violation?
     
  15. lidae Registered Member

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    I really don’t like misunderstanding of my intentions, It is not an assault on Christianity or any other religion.in the same time I don't outbid on Islam , it doesn't need (like others) any preaching or missionary work or me.
     
  16. lidae Registered Member

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    Sock puppet path,
    You cannot steer people's personal faith. Islam is now a part of western culture, wheither you like it or not. It's not just for people in prison, or rock stars looking for a new thing. Some people just associate with Islam more than Christianity. That does for the other side of things too - 70% or so of Americans are Christians, and although many don't like that, it's just the way it is. It's a fact, it can't be changed, and those people are entitled to follow their faith. Acts in the name of christianity have been responsible for some pretty fuc.ed up consequences in the last 100 years.
     
  17. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    We definitely need forum about different cultures and diversity discussion. *sigh*

    I'll move this thread back to Free Thoughts.
     
  18. lidae Registered Member

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    We cay say there are so many sects, cults, religions, philosophies, and movements in the world, all of which claim to be the right way or the only true path to God. How can one determine which one is correct or if, in fact, all are correct? The method by which the answer can be found is to clear away the superficial differences in the teachings of the various claimants to the ultimate truth, and identify the central object of worship to which they call, directly or indirectly. Can we either claim that all men are Gods or that specific men were God or that nature is God or that God is a figment of man's imagination.
    It may be argued that all religions teach good things so why should it matter which one we follow. I made some searching and I couldn’t find a sharp answer but I found something interesting stated in the Koran:
    Creation-worship is the greatest sin that man can commit because it contradicts the very purpose of his creation. Man was created to worship Allah alone, consequently, the worship of creation, which is the essence of idolatry, is the only unforgivable sin. One who dies in this state of idolatry has sealed his fate in the next life. This is not an opinion, but a revealed fact stated by Allah in his final revelation to man

    "Verily Allah will not forgive the joining of partners with Him, but He may forgive (sins) less than that for whom so ever He wishes"(Soorah An- Nisaa 4:48 and 116)

    Buddha was a reformer who introduced a number of humanistic principles to the religion of India. He did not claim to be God nor did he suggest to his followers that he be an object of worship. Yet, today most Buddhists who are to be found outside of India have taken him to be God and prostrate to idols made in their perception of his likeness.

    God revealed a holy book to Jesus called the Injeel, some parts of which may be still available in the teachings of God to Jesus in the New Testament. But this does not mean that the Bible we have today because it is not the original scriptures that were revealed by God. They underwent alterations, additions, and omissions. This was also said by the Committee charged with revising The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version). This Committee consisted of thirty-two scholars who served as members of the Committee. They secured the review and counsel of an Advisory Board of fifty representatives of the co- operating denominations.

    The Committee said in the Preface to The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version), p. iv, “Sometimes it is evident that the text has suffered in transmission, but none of the versions provides a satisfactory restoration. Here we can only follow the best judgment of competent scholars as to the most probable reconstruction of the original text.

    The Committee also said in the Preface, p. vii, Notes are added which indicate significant variations, additions, or omissions in the ancient authorities (Mt 9.34; Mk 3.16; 7.4; Lk 24.32, 51, etc.).
     

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