Studies suggest hormonal changes in men brought by their partners' pregnancy.....

http://health.msn.com/pregnancykids/pregnancy/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100108086

"In fact, the second of the two studies, which was recently published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings, suggests that fathers have higher levels of estrogen the well-known female sex hormone -- than other men. The research shows that men go through significant hormonal changes alongside their pregnant partners changes most likely initiated by their partner's pregnancy and ones that even cause some men to experience pregnancylike symptoms such as nausea and weight gain. It seems increasingly clear that just as nature prepares women to be committed moms, it prepares men to be devoted dads."

So... are fathers more compassionate? Or maybe some men always have more estrogen and other hormones that make them less violent and more caring?

They probably are.

Thats interesting, do fathers feel changes in their personality when their wives/significant others are pregnant?

I didn't. But again, I'm weird... LOL! :D

I was already very compassionate and caring before. I felt slightly weird though...

The research shows that men go through significant hormonal changes alongside their pregnant partners changes most likely initiated by their partner's pregnancy and ones that even cause some men to experience pregnancylike symptoms such as nausea and weight gain. It seems increasingly clear that just as nature prepares women to be committed moms, it prepares men to be devoted dads.It's probably a pheromone thing. We're only beginning to understand pheromones--chemicals in the air that don't have an odor we "smell" consciously but nonetheless are picked up by our olfactory receptors and trigger unconscious stimuli to our brains. It would obviously be a species survival trait for a pregnant female to emit a pheromone that triggers an instinctive reaction in her mate to behave like a devoted father.

We know--or at least guess-that women emit a pheromone when menstruating which triggers unconscious hindbrain reactions in other women. Women in cramped communities like prisons tend to synchronize their menstrual cycles. Although no one has explained why that was at one time a survival advantage. (I'm assuming this is not an urban myth, it's been posted here.)

Maybe. But they actually found increased amounts of estrogen in fathers...

That's probably the estrogen trying to fight and conquer the testosterone so that the father is turned slowly into a non-aggressive pussy!

Baron Max

That's probably the estrogen trying to fight and conquer the testosterone so that the father is turned slowly into a non-aggressive pussy!

Baron Max

I disagree.

Is a father who cares and loves their child or the child's mother a "non-aggressive pussy"?

I would suspect it could be to help ensure the survival of the father's offspring and future development. Being more compassionate and attentive to the mother helps ensure her well being while she is carrying his child.

I would suspect it could be to help ensure the survival of the father's offspring and future development. Being more compassionate and attentive to the mother helps ensure her well being while she is carrying his child.

Caring for the child and the mother by using clubs and spears and guns to protect them from all of the evils in the world around them. That, Bells, is not a pussy. So...?

Baron Max

Caring for the child and the mother by using clubs and spears and guns to protect them from all of the evils in the world around them. That, Bells, is not a pussy. So...?

Baron Max

So his sharing some of what she may be going through may be a way to ensure he does become more caring and compassionate and might make him want to protect and care for her and the unborn child with whatever weapon is at hand.

So his sharing some of what she may be going through may be a way to ensure he does become more caring and compassionate and might make him want to protect and care for her and the unborn child with whatever weapon is at hand.

But if he becomes too much of a pussy, then he won't protect her and the child ....he'll just stand there and watch, probably reciting the pacifist code of honor or somesuch bullshit.

Baron Max

But if he becomes too much of a pussy, then he won't protect her and the child ....he'll just stand there and watch, probably reciting the pacifist code of honor or somesuch bullshit.

Baron Max

How do you know?

Most people tend to react quite violently to protect their loved ones if they are in harms way. Even pacifists can use violence to ensure their children are removed from harm.

Most people tend to react quite violently to protect their loved ones if they are in harms way. Even pacifists can use violence to ensure their children are removed from harm.

Then he's not a pacifist, is he.

Baron Max

Thats interesting, do fathers feel changes in their personality when their wives/significant others are pregnant?


yeah i have this strange feeling inside of me, and this voice always tells me to be nice to people, i have been told its called a conscience but i thought i eliminated that years ago.

you cant con-science.

peace.

you cant con-science.

Don't know why you say that, scientists have been conning science for decades or longer.

Baron Max

Then he's not a pacifist, is he.

Baron Max

Even pacifists will do everything they can to ensure their child's safety and wellbeing.

My husband is pretty much a pacifists but he went off at a driver who was tailgating us and then rammed into the back of us at a set of lights when our children were in the car. Had the children not been in the car he said he would have just gotten his details and that would have been it. But the thought that someone endangered our children by knowingly breaking the law (in tailgating) and then slamming into us because he did not like the fact we had stopped at a red light.. well that was it. Had our children been injured, I actually hate to imagine what he would have done.:(

Don't know why you say that, scientists have been conning science for decades or longer.

Baron Max

conscience........joke


peace.

Even pacifists will do everything they can to ensure their child's safety and wellbeing.

Not if he's a pacifist! A pacifist is totally non-violent ...there's no such thing as a partial-pacifist. That's sorta' like being a partial-maurderer, or a partial-rapist! ...LOL!

My husband is pretty much a pacifists but he went off at a driver who ...

"Went off"? Like he used big words? Or used little words with strong meanings? Like, "You're not a very nice man!" in a strong voice? What's "went off" mean?

Baron Max

conscience........joke.

And I got it ...why do you think I used the term "conning" science in my own response? Or didn't you bother reading it? ...LOL!

War!

Baron Max

Not if he's a pacifist! A pacifist is totally non-violent ...there's no such thing as a partial-pacifist. That's sorta' like being a partial-maurderer, or a partial-rapist! ...LOL!
A pacifist that lets himself be abused or murdered is a dead pacifist. I fail to see the use of such a radical philosophy.

A pacifist that lets himself be abused or murdered is a dead pacifist. I fail to see the use of such a radical philosophy.

Then one shouldn't use the term "pacifist" if that's not what they mean.

Baron Max

A pacifist is not radical.

And I got it ...why do you think I used the term "conning" science in my own response? Or didn't you bother reading it? ...LOL!

War!

Baron Max

i never read your posts i just assume what your reply is, and that i dont agree with it, and throw in an insult or 2 and wham", i have a baron max response ready to post. :)

peace.

A pacifist is not radical.

So ....what's your definition of a "pacifist"? One who doesn't believe in violence, yet will resort to violence when he feels it necessary???? :D

Baron Max

One who strives for peace.

i thought the word pacifist was a modern term for weakling, :)

peace3.

i thought the word pacifist was a modern term for weakling, ....

Yeah, the nerds before there was such a word. I high school, back in the mid-1800s, we used to call 'em wimps or pussies.

But really, everyone knows, everyone understands ...pacifist is a weakling, a pussy, a wimp.

Baron Max

Yeah, the nerds before there was such a word. I high school, back in the mid-1800s, we used to call 'em wimps or pussies.

But really, everyone knows, everyone understands ...pacifist is a weakling, a pussy, a wimp.

Baron Max

Like Gandhi, Buddha and Jesus

Like Gandhi, Buddha and Jesus

exactly like those 3.


peace.

Like Gandhi, Buddha and Jesus

It's funny how people see those individuals as pacifists ....while completely ignoring the fact that they "controlled" gazillions of people who were ready to riot or break down walls or kill people or...... See?

Gandhi? Ooh, the controller of millions of irate, angry Indians perfectly willing to tear the British apart, limb by limb! And you thnk the British didn't know that? It wasn't Gandhi who worried the British, it was the followers who would have torn the British to pieces!

Hitler was actually a pacifist, did you know that? But how many people did he control? And what did he ask them to do?

Baron Max

It's funny how people see those individuals as pacifists ....while completely ignoring the fact that they "controlled" gazillions of people who were ready to riot or break down walls or kill people or...... See?

Gandhi? Ooh, the controller of millions of irate, angry Indians perfectly willing to tear the British apart, limb by limb! And you thnk the British didn't know that? It wasn't Gandhi who worried the British, it was the followers who would have torn the British to pieces!

Hitler was actually a pacifist, did you know that? But how many people did he control? And what did he ask them to do?

Baron Max

So all these weak people somehow controlled hundreds of people? How?

So all these weak people somehow controlled hundreds of people? How?

And you don't know???? You claim to study history, yet you don't know? Please tell me that you're just poking at me with your ever-present sharpened prodding stick.

Baron Max

And you don't know???? You claim to study history, yet you don't know? Please tell me that you're just poking at me with your ever-present sharpened prodding stick.

Baron Max

So they are weak and they control many people?:confused:

So they are weak and they control many people?:confused:

Fear.

So they are weak and they control many people?:confused:

Hitler did it in the 30's, Sam, in much the same way that Gandhi did it. And I'm sure that throughout history, there've been many weak people that were charismatic enough to gain control over vast numbers of people. With the threat of vast numbers of people supporting them, they were able to do lots of things. Napoleon, perhaps?

Really, I don't know why you're so confused about it. I'd be willing to bet that you know someone with a natural charisma that people are just drawn to. It's what's referred to in history as a "natural leader".

Baron Max

Hitler did it in the 30's, Sam, in much the same way that Gandhi did it. And I'm sure that throughout history, there've been many weak people that were charismatic enough to gain control over vast numbers of people. With the threat of vast numbers of people supporting them, they were able to do lots of things. Napoleon, perhaps?

Really, I don't know why you're so confused about it. I'd be willing to bet that you know someone with a natural charisma that people are just drawn to. It's what's referred to in history as a "natural leader".

Baron Max

Hmm so weak pussy wimps are natural leaders:confused:

Hmm so weak pussy wimps are natural leaders:confused:

No, Sam. Some, SOME, not all, weak, pussy, wimps can be, CAN BE, natural leaders. Look back through history, Sam, it's not that difficult to pick out such leaders.

Your confusion about this issue is pointing out your ignorance of human history ...or your unwillingness to accept the truth of the matter. Either way, I feel sorry for you.

Baron Max

No, Sam. Some, SOME, not all, weak, pussy, wimps can be, CAN BE, natural leaders. Look back through history, Sam, it's not that difficult to pick out such leaders.

Your confusion about this issue is pointing out your ignorance of human history ...or your unwillingness to accept the truth of the matter. Either way, I feel sorry for you.

Baron Max

So ALL pacifists are weak pussy wimps, but SOME are natural leaders?

Now if you both can tie this in with "fatherhood hormones", I'll be impressed.

That was the hint to keep the thread on track.:)

Now if you both can tie this in with "fatherhood hormones", I'll be impressed.

That was the hint to keep the thread on track.:)

Of course, I want to see how fatherhood turns men into weak pussy wimps; if some of them remain natural leaders, though, then its fine.:p

Now if you both can tie this in with "fatherhood hormones", I'll be impressed.

That was the hint to keep the thread on track.:)

All threads get played out in the first page, or less. After that it's just more of the same from different people, but saying basically the same things.

"Fatherhood Hormones"? That's either a very, very scientific study, or it's the bullshit that's kept this thread alive this long. So, Bells, are you saying that we should keep the bullshit going a little longer? :D

Baron Max

If it pertains to the topic, then go for it.:D

Now you have said that fatherhood somehow turns men into 'pussy's'. Do you think that is hormonal Baron?

Now you have said that fatherhood somehow turns men into 'pussy's'. Do you think that is hormonal Baron?

No, it's what society expects, and most fathers try to accommodate that "rule" even if they have to lie to do it.

I think that men who are pussies after they've become a father were always pussies ...some people just never recognized it, or they can now use it as an excuse to be what they really are - pussies.

Baron Max

Fear.
Uh.... NO... :bugeye:

Where the fuck is fear in fukin Buddha!?!??!?! :bugeye:

No, Sam. Some, SOME, not all, weak, pussy, wimps can be, CAN BE, natural leaders. Look back through history, Sam, it's not that difficult to pick out such leaders.

Your confusion about this issue is pointing out your ignorance of human history ...or your unwillingness to accept the truth of the matter. Either way, I feel sorry for you.

Baron Max
How can you manage to contradict yourself so many times?

Now if you both can tie this in with "fatherhood hormones", I'll be impressed.

That was the hint to keep the thread on track.:)
Were Jesus and Buddha fathers?


(Oh, and I wouldn't include Gandhi here...)

No, it's what society expects, and most fathers try to accommodate that "rule" even if they have to lie to do it.

I think that men who are pussies after they've become a father were always pussies ...some people just never recognized it, or they can now use it as an excuse to be what they really are - pussies.

Baron Max
What is a "pussy", Baron?

You may explain it with pictures, if you like.... :D

What is a "pussy", Baron?

If you don't know, [Deleted]
Baron Max

Man... [Deleted]!

Does anybody know why its getting increasingly hard to get a male child. Reports by WHO and scientists so far lack concrete evidence. Right now the ration of women to men in the world is staggeringly dispproportionate.

Does anybody know why its getting increasingly hard to get a male child. Reports by WHO and scientists so far lack concrete evidence. Right now the ration of women to men in the world is staggeringly dispproportionate.

Maybe you're hanging around at the wrong park?

Does anybody know why its getting increasingly hard to get a male child. Reports by WHO and scientists so far lack concrete evidence. Right now the ration of women to men in the world is staggeringly dispproportionate.

Apparently its environmental, but no one really knows.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07100/776561-114.stm

Man... you SUCK...!

No, that's most of the other guys here! I'm strickly heterosexual myself.

And by the way, that comment wasn't very nice to say to either heteros or homos. [Deleted]
Baron Max

Does anybody know why its getting increasingly hard to get a male child. Reports by WHO and scientists so far lack concrete evidence. Right now the ration of women to men in the world is staggeringly dispproportionate.
That's great! More women to mate with....:cool:

:D