Family values, focus on family, etc.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dixonmassey, Jul 25, 2007.

  1. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    People on the right frequenly are throwing these abstract phrases to justify their "holier than though" stance. But what do they mean? What are family values and "focus on family"? When those values thrived in a full bloom? What was good about those times? And why those values would be important for the survival of Western Civilization?
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    family values...stronger society ties...if **** happens one is likely to be helped by a family member <-results in fewer problems for government <-increased chance of survival as government supports such society values
     
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  5. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Family IS important. But the government doesn't give a flying fuck about families. They only care about corporations. They say it is important just like they make empty promises. Politics is all about bullshit.
     
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  7. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    I've asked to specify those family values, what are they?


    As for society ties, let say there are 1000 more or less selfish units fighting for a piece of pie. Embracing "family values" propelled them to form families and multiply. As a result we have say 250 nearly autonomous units fighting for a pie. Yeah, there is decrease in the number of unit but increase in unit's "firepower" compensated for that. What has changed to the better for a lone bystander?
     
  8. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    I know that some families are great "escapes and crutches" some not, but what are "family values"?
     
  9. draqon Banned Banned

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    number of groups fighting with each other is less than number of individuals who would not have been in groups

    help each other
     
  10. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    Let say there is a single guy A of average kindness, generocity, etc., etc. and there is the same guy with the same qualities but having family and very strong family values (whatever they are). You are a single guy (or married, gay, lesbian, ....) . You share same office space, shop floor, fence, with a strong family man. Whom you should expect to behave less than civil if a smallest "crumble" of "pie" is at stake? A single guy or heavy on "family values" man? In other words "help each other" my arse.
     
  11. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Valuing families, particularly children...
     
  12. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    "Family Values" are only those the Christian fundamentalists and the Party of God (GOP) agree with.
    Hate gays
    Hate women
    Hate those of other faiths or no faith
    Hate US culture
    Hate any dissent
    Hate democracy
    Hate free thinking
    Hate science
    To name a few.
     
  13. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    You misunderstand, its Family Value. How much $$$ is your family worth?
     
  14. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Where are the rednecks when we need them? They pop up all over the place spouting their racist, religionist, retro propaganda. Here somebody's asking them to explain their philosophy (although they probably don't have that word in their limited vocabulary) and not one has shown up.

    I remember when the rednecks first coined the term "family values" about thirty years ago. It seemed to me that the focus of it was on the way they claimed to believe children should be raised:
    • They should be treated like children, not small adults. Not getting to make all the decisions about their lives, such as staying home from school to play videogames all day. Well they didn't have videogames in those days, so I suppose it was skateboarding.
    • They should be raised by their parents, not the government. Parents should get to make the decisions about what is best for their own kids, e.g. spanking, contraceptives.
    • This means that parents, for their part, are actually supposed to behave like parents. Not take three jobs between them so they're only home when the kids are in bed. Not dump all the responsibility on schoolteachers when the kids start acting like wild animals.
    • It also means that parents are actually supposed to be parents. You don't move out and leave your wife alone with the kids because you're having a mid-life crisis. You don't throw your husband out and raise the kids alone because you don't like his friends.
    Some of these principles really aren't all that bad. Nonetheless, the rednecks aren't any better about adhering to them than the rest of America.
     
  15. superstring01 Moderator

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    Few people are. I've found that those who tout those ideals the most are generally those who need them the most.

    ~String
     
  16. desi Valued Senior Member

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    They are Christian values taken from the Bible. They mean you are a good Christian if you follow them and instill them into your children. Adherence to those values helped to keep society in a state so as to accomplish much of what has been done since Christianity became prominent. Pragmatically, it discourages criminal behavior and encourages responsible behavior which makes it a good thing for the government so long as they are perceived to be a government with God's blessing.

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