tony1 is a false Christian. Don't listen to him. He proved himself arrogant, proud and violent.

I won't even tell what he told me... :(

I'll let other people less hurt tell... like Xev, for example.

Love,
Nelson

Here is a good example:

Posted by Avatar:
Naaah we talk to him only when we are bored to the bone or really frustrated or annoyed. All hope for a good discussion with him was lost in ummmmmmm ~the end of November beggining of December (many threads about Tony then )

Love,
Nelson

???? :confused:

then why let yourself hurt???

You have no idea what he said... :(

Here is what he said:

*Posted by Nelson*
I LOVE HER HEART WITH ALL MY HEART!!*

*Posted by Tony1*
What about the rest of her, or are you trying to get her to sign an organ-donor card?

*Posted by Nelson*You don't understand absolutly nothing of Christianism... as I see...

I Love her in Essence. I Love her Inner Child with all my Inner Child. Why I keep saying...? You don't understand anyways!

Good Luck,
Nelson

*Tony1's response*Unless she reads a LOT of romance novels and Hallmark cards, you don't stand a chance.
Even if she does, the first time one of you farts, the mood will be gone.

*Nelson's response*You hurt me...:(

You are definetly not a Christian...:(

So, the 64,000 dollar question:

Is Tony1 a Christian?

Any chance we can get this guy banned? Do you think the forum moderators could do that?

Any chance we can get this guy banned? Do you think the forum moderators could do that?

Banning him doesn't solve the case...
he will finish by going somewhre else...

... anyways...

Love,
Nelson

as I mentioned, there were great wars and flaming discussions about this before you came here. Skip back and look through the old threads. There should be about 7 or 8 discussing Tony. In the end a conclusion was made tht everyone has a freedom of speech here (yeah even Tony) and tht everyone who doesn't like him, his discussions, manners or insults may add him to his ignore list under control panel>Edit Ignore List
Cheers!

But what solution do we have to that? We might not be able to stop him from ruining another forum community, but we can expel him from here.

And I don't care true christians or not (there are no true christians because Yeshua himself was a jew and had nothing to do with establishing christianity-meaning he didn't say- here's a new religion , call it my children Christianity;) ) I prefer to be my own god and not to follow some mythology [don't be mistaken, I love mythology, just don't take it as my belief;) ] and ancient brainwashing. Although I repsect Yeshua as a phylosopher.

(It's getting ligt here [AM 5:59], sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.....)

Any chance we can get this guy banned? Do you think the forum moderators could do that?

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!

Right or wrong, he should have the freedom to say what he feels. I know that this is a bit different, but what of the First Amendment?

I mean, if not legally, morally it applies.

We are adults, we can deal with people who disagree, even if they do hurt are feelings, even if we do think they are assholes.

Nelson, you know my advice. But Tony has a point, if you wear your heart on your sleeve you run the risk of getting it scraped.

Nelson, why let yourself bothered by his posts if you know those are not true??? :confused:

about Tony1...:rolleyes: From reading some of the past threads.. I think Tony1 intentionally gives those replies for some purpose... I dunno.. experiment? essay? (at least to be able to memorize almost the whole bible, twist the verses, and use them against you guys, must mean something right?;)) I don't think his replies are what he actually believes...:rolleyes:
I'm guessing he has a clone on this forum... hehe....
Well, just my opinion/guess... ;)

I said there was a lot of discussion and the end statement was made. Why expel him, when you are able not to see him. If we shut him down, we would be just as bad as Middle Age censorship.

I am better thn tht.
Cheers!

Complementing what Xev said, I'll post the same I did in another forum:

tony1,

quote:
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You wouldn't be so easily hurt if you kept your heart behind your armor where it belongs instead of out on your sleeve.
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That's the difference between us. I fight with my Love. You just hide it. Jesus fought with His Love too, and finished by being crucifixed.

I'm just doing my best to be like Him and fight for other people allways using my Love. I knew you had Love in your Heart, but you prefer to hide it not to be hurt than to fight with it.

I'm just carrying the cross with Jesus, fighting for other people with all my Heart. It's your choice if you follow us or continue to hide your Love not to be hurt.

Love,
Nelson

;)

Sorry, didn't know I'd get you that angry.

I don't feel this is about free speech. But if he's doing nothing but causing trouble, why not get rid of him? And if no one here reads what he has to say, he is just clogging up the board and taking space with useless posts.

I don't have a problem with him expressing his opinions on christianity - but if he's over he causing other kinds of trouble as mentioned about, I think he should be tossed out.

àèìòù Where's Pie when you need him? - er, I mean he's useful

You misunderstand - I am not angry. I was a bit shocked that one of the first responses was to ban.

We are adults. We can deal with people who disagree. We can deal with people who disagree in a manner that we don't like. We can deal with people who disagree and seem to have no bloody point!

Hell, I know a lot of you disagree with me. And I know a lot of you must think I'm a bitch about the way I disagree. I am a bitch. But, you tolerate or ignore me....because you are adults and you know that people disagree and that people express disagreement in ways that we might find hurtful.

About the only thing you don't do here is threaten one another. Calling each other "nigger" or "faggot" might cause a few problems, but I can't recall it ever having come up, so we'll see when it finally does.

In the meantime, sir, let me offer what comfort I can: there is a reason, and only God knows, why Tony1 behaves the way he does. If he is determined to ensconce himself in darkness, to attribute his foulness to the holy spirit, then this is as God wills. Perhaps, as the most basic of examples go, it is to create some perspective that your God deems necessary. To cast aside the Tony1 utility into the fires is of no conscience to such a God as the biblical God.

He's a Christian insofar as he claims to be. Unfortunately, you might be surprised at how many there are like him, so he has some credibility there. On the one hand, it's an example of why I dislike Christianity; to the other, we know ... we know.

Why fight with love? Why fight at all? Welcome to the Tony1 experience, where you can explore one of the coldest hearts in Christendom. Take comfort, Nelson; just as God hardened pharoah's heart against His wisdom for a reason, so, too, does he harden Tony1's against His love and compassion.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

I apologies. I guess I wasn't quite clear as to what tony was doing, though I've seen he has appeared to have launched personal attacks on people.

I've been on some other forums where there's been some bad sh*t. E-mail address spoofing, people falsely accusing other people of being cyber stalkers/petaphiles, people almost getting to the point of threatening each other over MOD thieving, things like that.

There's been some rough stuff around those instances.

But I guess that hasn't happened here.

I guess when I saw you say what the f*ck, I imagined you were at least a little miffed.

I'm new to these forums. So I'm not quite used to this environment compared to other forums I've been on. I'll try not to make assumptions like that.

Hey, Clarentavious, I understand.

I'm a refugee from a forum where the mods started flaming thier own posters....multiple people were accused of being the same person....utterly bizzare allegations of death threats.

Rather amusing, in its own way.

And, I swear all the time. I try to moderate my language here a little, 'cause the registration rules ask me to.

No offense intended.

Peace

Xev

Your last post includes an excellent testimony. Indeed, our kind host, Dave, works to prevent the electronic issues, and we've been generally fortunate to have only a few truly disruptive posters. It took a full two years for this place to get absolutely hostile, and Tony1 had to work very very hard to get it that way.

By and large, you'll find the crafty-hurtful the primary weapon of people who are determined to cause problems. It gets annoying to other posters, but by and large the issues get hammered out publicly and usually drop once everyone's gotten it off their chest. There's only ever been a couple of threats here, and I've only ever heard of one possible cyberstalker--the operative word there is possible.

So, yeah, we get bitey about the actual arguments we're having and so forth. And in that sense, we're still better off than any diverse-subject message board I've seen.

Parascope.com, for instance, is currently changing servers, revising their look, and renewing their mission. I note the last one because Parascope used to be my counterpoint when things got out of hand: we don't want to be like Parascope, we don't want to be like Parascope. Heck, the last time I saw it, the message board was its most popular option and the boards were, far and away, dominated by anti-Semitic conspiracy attributions and so forth. It was a flame-board inasmuch as I could ever tell.

Even with the Tony1s and so forth running amok here, we're still doing pretty well by comparison.

In the meantime, Clarentavious, welcome to Sciforums ....

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

tiassa,

He's a Christian insofar as he claims to be. Unfortunately, you might be surprised at how many there are like him, so he has some credibility there. On the one hand, it's an example of why I dislike Christianity; to the other, we know ... we know.

Yeah... I know...
What I don't understand is why they don't follow the most basic "rule" of Christianism...

Why fight with love? Why fight at all?

Not fighting against anyone...
I'm just trying to wake him up... (and others)...
To warn people about what's really going on on Earth...
And to tell people what I've learned with my experiences.
That's what I call fighting with my Heart, with Love.

Love,
Nelson

I know the feeling, sir ... I know the feeling.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

You won't wake up Tony Seeker. In fact if you want to punush him, don't wake him up at all (whatever you mean by tht).

And if you think tht waking up is considereted to make him a newly-refreshed christian (considering your own beliefs) then I do not think tht it would be of any good to any people (except for Osama maybe;) )

Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is so sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy. (Carl Sagan)

Don't let Tony get to you..He likes the book of laws presented by the men who wrote the bible and he is blind to the real message. It's not entirely his fault as most churches have elevated the Bible to "God" and that is sad. They overlook the fact that Jesus was educated and knew how to read and write but yet he knew better than leaving a text for man to add their own selfish opinion in and ruin it. He had the ability to use the old testament as a teaching tool and most days he didn't but when he did he clearly shows humans are just humans. They overlook the fact the Bible was put together 500 years after the cross and men fought for 80 years over what went in it. They overlook the fact the Bible disputes itself and is full of personal opinions..They overlook many things encluding all of the times in history the churches have been proven wrong by history. You keep on with your God is Love theory as it is right, you will be hurt many times though in your life, and that is your cross to bear, but it is the same message Jesus taught.huggies and all

If you don't like what someone says, well, it takes the same amount of effort to add them to your Ignore list as it does to make a post asking them to be banned. And personally I dig freedom of speech. To counteract the fact that freedom of speech may bring hurtful words to your ears, we also have the freedom to add people to the Ignore list. Very easy.

Thanks for that justagirl... :)
You can see what's really going on here. ;)

Adam,

I didn't make this thread to ban tony1 I did it for three reasons:

1. Warn that there ARE (see the tiltle, "False ChristianS") false Christians all around.
2. To tell you how to recognize them.
3. To listen to people's opinions about tony1.

Capisce? ;)

Love,
Nelson

1. Warn that there ARE (see the tiltle, "False ChristianS") false Christians all around.
2. To tell you how to recognize them. Who cares:). real or not- tht's their problem.

oh and about tht heart Seeker, be careful , it's your weak point, many shall (I hope not) use it.

Who cares. real or not- tht's their problem.

And also for all Christians. First because you get a wrong image of Christianism with guys like that. Then, if they talk with Christians, other Christians begin to talk like him. That's not a good thing to imagine... :bugeye:

Love,
Nelson

tht's no problem for me:), I'm no christian;)

Wasn't exactly aware of what the ignore list did (suspected it blocked private messages). Didn't know it filtered out posts. I need to become more familiar with vBulletin.

I know...
Btw, what are you? :)

my status has a little bit changed since then.

now I have withdraved all signs of ther beliefs form my belief system. and if some of them are alike, then it is just a coincidence.
I felt I needed smth fresh and made just for me. It's now more like a phylosophy of life.
Cheers!

Who else is a false christian, TS?

How do they differ from "real" christians?

Do others on this board consider you a "real" christian? Have you asked them?

Maybe they think of you as a false xtian as well.

GOD,

Who else is a false christian, TS?

I haven't seen any other...

How do they differ from "real" christians?

They don't have unconditional Love. Some are arrogant with people and use personal attacks and so on... tony1 is a good example...

Do others on this board consider you a "real" christian? Have you asked them?

Never asked...

Maybe they think of you as a false xtian as well.

Don't know...
What I know is that Christianism is based on Unconditional Love for everyone... ;)

Love,
Nelson

From his latest comments concerning Beleivers and immunity to disease, I would place him in a fringe group like Christian scientists. So then is he a christian? There are many a Christian that lacks the trait of uncondiotional love. I would place that number at 99% with some possible decimals. I have not yet met that one in the hundred who is not vindictive and petty in at least some manners.

Hello Teg...

Do I seem not to have Unconditional Love...?

I'm Christian... :)
And I Love... :)

Love,
Nelson

Nelson: I think he is talking about Tony1, not you.

Teg:
From his latest comments concerning Beleivers and immunity to disease, I would place him in a fringe group like Christian scientists.

Actually, he has Scriptural support. Say what you like about Tony, he knows his Bible.

Matthew 17:20, 21:21-22, deal with the power of faith

Mark 16:17-18 says that believers can cast out demons

I can't find the exact reference.

He could also be a Witness from his talk on heaven being located on earth....but he dosen't sound so.

Xev,

Teg wrote:
I have not yet met that one in the hundred who is not vindictive and petty in at least some manners.

I was referring to that quote... ;)

PS: Good signature... :D

Love,
Nelson

Tony1 is never here during the week, right? I can't wait til he gets back. This is good stuff!!!!! I prophecize a great battle between two men bound by an unseperable force :D

Originally posted by TruthSeeker

Do I seem not to have Unconditional Love...?

I'm Christian... :)
And I Love... :)
Do you unconditionally love tony1? :) ;)

Or will you unconditionally love him ONLY on the condition that he talks politely? :D

Maybe you unconditionally love everyone .... EXCEPT toy1.

Maybe , maybe .. you unconditionally love everyone, on the small condition that they be "true xtians". Since t1 is a "false xtian", he cannot be unconditonally loved.

Originally posted by TruthSeeker

Do I seem not to have Unconditional Love...?

I'm Christian... :)
And I Love... :)
Do you unconditionally love tony1? :) ;)

>>>
Or will you unconditionally love him ONLY on the condition that he talks politely? :D

>>>>>>
Maybe you unconditionally love everyone .... EXCEPT toy1.


>>>>>>>>>>>
Maybe , maybe .. you unconditionally love everyone, on the small condition that they be "true xtians".

Since t1 is a "false xtian", he cannot be unconditonally loved.

Would you die for a prostitute Truthseeker?

Would you take the place of a murderer on death row so he would have more time to learn about Christ and be saved?

"Being a christian is having unconditional love"

Not it's not you obnoxious twit. Being a Christian is recognizing you DON'T HAVE unconditional love and ARE SINFUL in MANY OTHER WAYS and are in NEED of CHRIST.

You people are the most ignorant jackasses I've ever come across.

Tiassa the king of Jackasses of course is too stupid to see how hypocritical TruthSeeker is by claiming Tony is arrogent and yet is an arrogent jackass him(her?)self by claiming to have unconditional love.

No you don't. Tony will walk away justified confessing his sin. You will walk away condemned.

Oh, maybe you havn't gotten to that part yet. If it were slander I would be in sin. But I tell you the truth. You are an obnoxious jackass and you best repent. I can judge you because I know the law. If you find fault in me then say so. But all the fault in me doesn't change the fact that you're the worst kind of Christian there is; A Pharisee.

Shame on you. Absolutly pathetic.

Ben

You're so cute when you're all frothy and hateful. :rolleyes:

--Tiassa :cool:

He is not worth your keystrokes, Tiassa babe. Ignore him as you would a drunken street preacher.

Nelson, the same goes for you.

And yes, 'jackass' is obsolete. Has been since Gen X started aging.

KalvinB,

You are talking with me no different then those guys that talked with Job in the Bible... have you ever realized that...?

Besides that...
Yes... I have unconditional Love for everyone including people like tony1, Tyler and other guys because they are those who most need help and you can be sure I'll pray for them. Now you are in my list too...

Love,
Nelson

I don't think that was really the topic here. I think alot of people on these boards were saying they don't like people who claim to be chrisitians because they don't have the "main" attribute that chrisitians should.

Whether they don't drink, whether they go to church, whatever it is they do or don't do, they don't seem to love unconditionally, or seem to be a nice person.

This is in no way my personal opinion (I just don't like people who tick me off, be they "chrisitian", unloving, loving conditionally, or whatever - they might do something to piss me off that may or may not be related to anything) - I think that is what the posters before were trying to say.

Hey, <b>KalvinB</b>, what is <i>up</i> your ass, man? Or are you just fulfilling your need to be Christian?

You see, Christianity isn't all about unconditional love--there's no such concept in the religion. You exemplify the true Christian, the double-speaker. One who professes one thing with his right hand, but secretly enjoys doing the opposite with his left. Christ may have said to love your neighbor as yourself, but he's also the guy that's promised to come back and destroy as many people as possible who even look crossly at him.

You and tony1 and your ilk manifest the true nature of Christianity when you speak ill of others and hold them in contempt. You would find no greater pleasure than to be able to witness the coming glory of the Lord and watch as his righteous fire consumes the wicked and unbelievers alike. Yeah, you preach repentance, but inwardly hope for the destruction of which Sodom and Gomorrah are famous.

You belong to Christianity not out of love, but out of a desire to perpetuate your hatred and intolerance towards others. And your ignorance. <i>Jackass</i>? Please, man. You might want to lay off MTV for a bit.

What's the real pisser is that you would probably have the potential to be a somewhat decent guy. But you opt for the easier path, which is denigrating others and elevating yourself to your patronizing level. Condescension is your weapon of choice and you wield it blindly and without merit.

Maybe you'll come to your senses some day and realize that you don't have to belittle others to make your point. Christianity is not the issue. The way you interact with others is.

There. I've come out and confessed some things regarding your behavior. I guess I'll feel justified and walk away sinless.

Thanks!

prag

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Besides that...
Yes... I have unconditional Love for everyone including people like tony1, Tyler and other guys because they are those who most need help TS,

So, your unconditional love for t1 is the real reason why you started this thread?

If your love is unconditional - then why do you have to direct it especially at tony1, Tyler, and the other guys you mention? :)

Is loving them supposed to be more unconditional than loving others?

So everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others?

Originally posted by pragmathen
You and tony1 and your ilk manifest the true nature of Christianity when you speak ill of others and hold them in contempt. ... You belong to Christianity not out of love, but out of a desire to perpetuate your hatred and intolerance towards others. Xtny seems nothing about "unconditional love" as much as "conditional hate". :D

T1 has his condition as "hating catholics". KB sets his as "hate anyone who disagrees". TS can have his as "hate false xtians". etc.

"You're so cute when you're all frothy and hateful."

Frothy and hateful are your words. I'm condemning a sinner by the law. There's a difference. Stupid jackass. But we've been over this. You're a shame to the aithiest community. Go smoke a bowl and be gone.

TruthSeeker:

"You are talking with me no different then those guys that talked with Job in the Bible..."

No you ignorant twit. I'm pointing out your a hypocritial jackass much like Jesus did to the pharisees of his time. Do you have any idea how many times he told them they were going to hell? By your obviously skewed standards Jesus wasn't a Christian either. You are a hypocritial pious jackass who can't see what a wretched miserable individual you are.

You wish to condemn others but fail to see what a condemned person you are yourself. That makes you an ignorant obnoxious jackass.

Pragmathen:

"There. I've come out and confessed some things regarding your behavior. I guess I'll feel justified and walk away sinless."

You're also an ignorant jackass. Confessing my sins has nothing to do with confessing your sins. You can confess all my sins all day long and you'd still end up in hell for your own sins. Jackass.

If you don't like me calling you jackasses perhaps you'd rather I use Jesus' words like "brood of vipers" "hypocrites" "vile sinners" "wretched" "condemned" pick one but you fit them all.

Clarentavious:

Exactly. You may not like my methods but the way I see it, ignorant stupid jackasses who get on their little high horse and play judge should have the law tossed right back at them. If they can't deal with it they can just brush it off. They can ignore the law all they want until they stand before God.

And when they pull this "Thank God I'm not like other sinners" bullshit and end up in hell for it maybe God will be kind enough to explain it to them in nicer terms why they're going to hell before casting them into the lake of fire.

Ben

pragmathen,

You see, Christianity isn't all about unconditional love--there's no such concept in the religion.

Well... then what's "Love your enemies"?
You don't need the words "unconditional Love" to talk about unconditional Love... You have the concept in the Bible... ;)


GOD,

Not exactly... I;m just giving more attention to them because they NEED it... ;)

Love,
Nelson

"I;m just giving more attention to them because they NEED it"

What you need to do is get off that high horse of yours and while your sitting in a wheel chair having been paralyzed by the fall you should start reading the Bible since you NEED it.

Absolutly pathetic.

Ben

You're a shame to the aithiest communityI love it when you're like this, KalvinB. Especially since you are the only person in recent memory to accuse me of atheism.

Take a poll, if you want, KalvinB.

At least know who you're directing your spite toward :rolleyes:

--Tiassa :cool:

Bravo, KB! Bravo!

Show TS how YOU are the REAL xtian and not HIM.

JUDGE him! ( ...... as you would be judged?)

Get that ignorant twit and jackass OFF his high horse!

REAL xtianity will TRIUMPH!

???????

"Show TS how YOU are the REAL xtian and not HIM."

I'm doing nothing of the sort jackass.

"At least know who you're directing your spite"

I'm directing my observations at the jackass with the bong. It doesn't matter what you believe. YOU PERSONALLY ARE A JACKASS. It doesn't matter what you believe. Even if someone else believes what you do, you're the ONLY ONE I'm calling a jackass. How stupid are you? Somehow you've dellusioned yourself into thinking that if I call YOU a jackass I'm calling everyone who believes what you do a jackass. JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT....YOU, TIASSA, ARE A JACKASS.

Now are you clear on where I'm directly my observations? Or are you so incompetent I need to go over this again?

Ben

Bravo! encore! ole!

* standing ovation for the TRUE XTIAN - KalB!!! *
* clap * clap * clap *

Truly it HAS to be said -

KB is a XTIAN in a world of pharisees!
- a SAINT in a brood of vipers!
- a REAL follower among hypocrites!
- a PURE man, among vile sinners!

etc.

YES!

Now are you clear on where I'm directly my observations?What-what-what? Try slowing down enough to type the sentences properly. You'll find you look marginally less-foolish when you do so.JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT....YOU, TIASSA, ARE A JACKASS.That you feel this way is old news to us, KalvinB. But I don't see what your feeling that I am a jackass has to do with the issue at hand. You have misidentified me as an atheist.You're a shame to the aithiest communityWould you like to tell me how I'm a shame to a community I'm not part of?If it were slander I would be in sinNow the first thing I have to point out is that in the current form, it is impossible for you to slander anyone. Slander (http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=slander) is a spoken falsehood. The word you're actually looking for is most likely libel (http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=libel), which pertains to written falsehoods. Of course, it is not above my experience that someone as well-versed in spite and duplicity as your online persona seems to be should deliberately present that mistake, in order to snake their way out of their untruths. It would appear that you have published falsehoods about me--e.g. that I am an atheist--in an attempt to defame me--e.g. that I am a shame to the atheist community.

Thus, how can I be a shame to a community I'm not part of, KalvinB? It would appear that you have libeled me (not slandered, unless you read your post aloud to someone else). Nonetheless, in the spirit of what you have written about yourself, it would appear that you are, in fact, in sin.

Like I said, at least know who you're directing your spite toward.

Good show, KalvinB. Thanks for making it so damn easy.

--Tiassa :cool:

Why?

1. They teach how scum people can be.

2. They're perfect guys as sparring partner to exercise being patient.

3. They teach us become a leader. Because good leader must able to lead any kind of people.

4. Teach us how we suppose to be wiser.

5. A good choice to revenge mostly make us to be a successful person. (example; if they abuse you "dumb!", you should choose to study better)

6. The best of all, they show us the show us a road to heaven, if we payback their abusive acts with sincere smile... :)

(Alas, I'm not christian :p)

You are completely right. Why attack something that seems content to attack itself?

No you ignorant twit. I'm pointing out your a hypocritial jackass much like Jesus did to the pharisees of his time. Do you have any idea how many times he told them they were going to hell? By your obviously skewed standards Jesus wasn't a Christian either. You are a hypocritial pious jackass who can't see what a wretched miserable individual you are.
In summation, KalvinB keep doing your thing. You have the right to it and what's more it makes the rest of us look good.

TruthSeeker : I don't have sufficient information to judge you. I was only speeking from personal experience. From my observation every person has a limit. Also remember that if I were to physically harm you and you were to love me regardless, you would be a sadist. I might have to reassess that prior statement to 1 in a million.

"Would you like to tell me how I'm a shame to a community I'm not part of?"

You keep claiming I'm a shame to the Christian community and yet claim I'm not a Christian.

Stupid jackass. Whatever community you're a part of, you are a shame to. Is this really that hard to grasp?

You people are the biggest jackasses I've ever come across. You can go on an on all you want but that doesn't change the simple observation that you are indeed jackasses.

It has nothing to do with spite, hate or anything else. You simply are jackasses. It's OBSERVATION. But of course you're all too stupid to just take something at face value. You'd rather read into it because you're all too stupid to realize you're boxing shadows.

Ben

Teg:
TruthSeeker : I don't have sufficient information to judge you. I was only speeking from personal experience. From my observation every person has a limit. Also remember that if I were to physically harm you and you were to love me regardless, you would be a sadist. I might have to reassess that prior statement to 1 in a million.

No, he would be a masochist. A sadist enjoys inflicting pain, a masochist enjoys suffering (there's an oxymoron!) pain.

'Masochist' is based on the name of a Austrian novelist, Leopold V. Sacher-Masoch, whose characters enjoyed the introduction of pain during sex. 'Sadism' stems from the name of the Marquis de Sade, another novelist. Many of his characters enjoyed the infliction of pain during sex.

Usually the terms are used in a sexual context, but they have come to be used in situations like this. For instance, Thomas Becket could be described as a masochist, although he does not appear to have enjoyed his hair-shirt, or taken any sexual satisfaction from voluntarily feeding his blood to lice. :bugeye:

It would seem that replying to Kalvin is a modern equivalent of the hair shirt.

Tiassa: To be fair, he only accused you of being an 'aithiest'. :D

You keep claiming I'm a shame to the Christian community and yet claim I'm not a Christian.I'm going to have to chalk that one up under Ben's Reading Comprehenshion ...

Are you a Christian, Ben? Or have you been yanking everyone's chain? I do, occasionally, think that you must be some neurotic provocateur, but your insistence on some thing you seem to believe about the Bible and your one-sided spite toward people questioning the Bible seems to be the motivation of our doubts of your Christianity.

Now, you, Ben, claimed that I am a shame to the atheist community. I have asked you to document when I have ever declared myself an atheist.

And your best response was that?

Have some milk and cookies little boy. Mommy will be by to pick you up soon, so you can go home and take a nap.

:rolleyes:,
Tiassa :cool:

You people are the biggest jackasses I've ever come across. You can go on an on all you want but that doesn't change the simple observation that you are indeed jackasses.

It has nothing to do with spite, hate or anything else. You simply are jackasses. It's OBSERVATION. But of course you're all too stupid to just take something at face value. You'd rather read into it because you're all too stupid to realize you're boxing shadows.
Again any judgement we might make of a negative nature can only be confirmed by your words.
No, he would be a masochist. A sadist enjoys inflicting pain, a masochist enjoys suffering (there's an oxymoron!) pain.
Of course. I cut the term sado-masichist at the wrong section. KalvinB is more the sadist. I was not aware that saidst was a derivative of the Marquis de Sade. I think the Marquis was inspired by a Hellenistic Cynic, Diogenes.

For what it's worth I believe Tiassa made it very clear some time ago that he is a Pagan.

Why is it that KalvinB and Sir. Loone are the only supporters of Tony1? It brings a new meaning to the Holy Trinity.

I was not aware that saidst was a derivative of the Marquis de Sade. I think the Marquis was inspired by a Hellenistic Cynic, Diogenes.

Diogenes!?!

Interesting. You know that Petrarch's Laura was Sade's great-great grandmother?

More irrelevence!

Why is it that KalvinB and Sir. Loone are the only supporters of Tony1? It brings a new meaning to the Holy Trinity.

*Shrugs*

I think Tony is smarter than y'all give him credit for.

I think Kalvin is a stupid wanker with nothing of substance to contribute, and I think Loone is some non-Christian's idea of a practical joke.

A parody, or burlesque of a fundamentalist.

"one-sided spite toward people questioning the Bible"

I don't have spite for people who question the Bible. Course you're too much a slanderous jackass to realize that.

"For what it's worth I believe Tiassa made it very clear some time ago that he is a Pagan."

Hey hey, the mighty Tiassa has spoken.

Which further brings to point

"Now, you, Ben, claimed that I am a shame to the atheist community. I have asked you to document when I have ever declared myself an atheist. "

Where have I declared to be a Christian? Apparently you deam me pagan and yet claim I shame the Christian community. You seem to have a fond obsession with shadow boxing amongst the rest of the imps here.

I drew this for you to illustrate my point

<img src="http://208.225.205.249/ftp/donkey.jpg">

You seem to be under the dellusion that you can be as slanderous as you want but when someone calls you want you are, you and the rest of your imps throw a hissy fit.

Jackass.

Ben

Not saying it's fair or not, it's none of my business. But nice drawing dude. I can't draw at all.

Drew it in the sense that I came up with the idea as a whole and put it together. I should clarify that. I grabbed the donkey off of Google. For examples of what I fully drew check out the Gang Wars link.

I can draw mildly well. The KKK member is my fav. He looks like a little gnome in a ghost costume.

Ben

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KalvinB

Hey Kalvin or Ben

Is TIASSA sitting on you???.........LOL :D :D

Wasn't there some brouhaha about the impropriety of editorial cartoons? To the other, I thank you for thinking so deeply of me to put the effort into it at all. That you have elevated me to editorial-cartoon status is, in fact, an honor. I have long hoped to be targeted by an editorial cartoon.

Ah, yes ... here (http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?postid=74672) it is, and the thread (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=5339) it comes from.Where have I declared to be a Christian? Apparently you deam me pagan and yet claim I shame the Christian community. You seem to have a fond obsession with shadow boxing amongst the rest of the imps hereHmm ... I'm pretty sure it's in there. People have even asked you before, as I recall. But starting from your impassioned claim that God loves murderers and invites the stupid to Heaven, through your vociferous and offensive excoriations of Elbaz and Godless for posting contradictions in the Bible, your open defense of Tony1, your condemnation of paganism, your authoritative demands that people learn to interpret the Bible the way you do (e.g. "properly" according to your standard), and your scathing hatred of Islam ... well, the common factor there is your Christianity.

And you've made it important. All of your talk about people not understanding the Bible they're talking about ... are we to assume that you don't understand the Bible? What, then, prompts your temper tantrums all over posters like Godless, Elbaz, and Markx? Are you not a Christian? Where, then, do you get your understanding of the Bible?

I deam :bugeye: you pagan? You obviously have a short-circuit in your reading comprehension. The patterns you show reflect Christianity, but the severity of them, like the severity of Tony1's patterns, suggest instead an atheist provocateur, and since I've directly asked both of you to knock it off in that case, I stand by my conclusion of your Christianity.

Ask your soul-mate, Tony1 if I'm an atheist, KalvinB. If you really want to insult me for something, try insulting me for something that I am. Apparently I'm a shameful atheist jackass, but unfortunately you've got that wrong. I could care less if you think I'm a jackass--I was, after all, a registered Democrat for ... six years? Yeah, six years. Besides, you haven't displayed enough intellect for people to respect your opinions. All the more a shame; realize, I hope to be lampooned someday on the editorial page of the Washington Post or the New York Times; better yet, to make a guest appearance in Doonesbury, though I doubt my fame will rise so significantly before Trudeau has officially had enough.You seem to be under the dellusion that you can be as slanderous as you want but when someone calls you want you are, you and the rest of your imps throw a hissy fit.I'm sorry, KalvinB, but I am unable to determine the meaning of this sentence. After all, I could simply replace the word want with what, and that sentence would make enough sense to be a real sentence, but I would hate to presume against your rhetorical perfection.

I'm starting to point out such mistakes of language when it comes from posters whipping on through too fast. For instance, I just wrote a post elsewhere for another poster where I pick on the mistake of waist versus waste. The poster is intelligent, for the most part, and merely needs to slow down. Besides, being that posting here was apparently a waist of his time, it occurred to me to ask why he bothered at all.

Unfortunately, you're not even that close. Slow down, and take a deep breath. Or else learn to write. Whichever the problem may be.

Thank you, though, for making me so important that you put so much effort into having nothing to say. I do, in fact, feel somewhat honored. The cartoon is pretty basic, and needs some work, but overall it's a good effort; I'm sure you'll get better at it when you grow up.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Tiassa,

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/roflmao.gif

Oh, Goddess help me...I just have to say this...

*clears throat*

Today's posts have been brought to you by the word:

JACKASS

Kalvin...Thank you, thank you, thank you!! Once again, you have made my sides ache from laughing. I could just *kiss* you! http://www.plauder-smilies.de/love/luvlove.gif

Now, please, continue!! http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/xyxthumbs.gif

Teg and Xev,

Before loving others, I Love myself. That's what makes my Love strong and true, because they are rooted deep inside mt Heart. I already taught you that Xev... remember...? Love yourself first, then Love others. Remember that... :)

Love,
Nelson

I love myself so much that I have no room left for others:(


:D:D:Dsorry, I just thought somebody has to say this for the sake of argument;):D

see a problem here, Seeker?
ok, cheers!

Avatar,

Imagine Love as a tree. First, the tree has to have good roots. Then, it grows up and up until some day it gives fruits. Those fruits, other people eat and the seeds inside this fruits plant other trees. In order for your Love to be strong and fruitful, you first have to Love deep inside yourself. Then, it grows and eventually reaches other people. Understood the analogy?

Love,
Nelson

"and your scathing hatred of Islam"

More slanderous bullshit. But hey, apparently that's what you're here for. Your imp following is of course too stupid to see that but whatever.

"starting from your impassioned claim that God loves murderers and invites the stupid to Heaven,"

And? Are you going to tell me that Moses, who murdered an Egyptian is going to hell despite claims to the contrary later in the Bible? Most notebly Elijah and Moses on the mount of Transfiguration with Jesus Christ himself. This is part of that stupid jackass package you've so comfortably endowed yourself with.

"I deam you pagan? You obviously have a short-circuit in your reading comprehension"

It was Teg who said you said I was Pagan. Yet another example of you being a jackass. Perhaps if you put down the pot for a second you could follow a conversation with any sort of intellectual backing.

"try insulting me for something that I am."

Like by calling you a jackass? Obviously you're too much of a stupid jackass to realize I wasn't insulting you for being an aithiest or a member of any belief system. I was pointing out that you're an embaressment to whatever belief system you belong to. Others of what ever faith you belong to may be perfectly decent individuals. However, YOU PERSONALLY are a jackass.

Seriously Tiassa, it seems the more words that come out of your mouth the less likely they are to be of any real substance.

The rest of your post is likewise just a pile of donkey doo.

"To the other, I thank you for thinking so deeply of me to put the effort into it at all."

What effort? I've been pointing our you're a jackass for weeks. How much of a stretch do you think posting a picture of you is?

Ben

It was Teg who said you said I was Pagan.Really? Where? Point me to the post, please. Don't bother hyperlinking, just point out the topic, date, and ... well, the GMT will work.Like by calling you a jackass? No, KalvinB, when calling me an atheist. :rolleyes:

See? I knew you weren't reading the posts.

Why do you bother posting at all, then?Seriously Tiassa, it seems the more words that come out of your mouth the less likely they are to be of any real substance.

The rest of your post is likewise just a pile of donkey doo. Coming from you, that's ... substantial. What effort? I've been pointing our you're a jackass for weeks. How much of a stretch do you think posting a picture of you is? In case you hadn't noticed, KalvinB, not many of our posters go to any trouble to make editorial cartoons. We've only had one other (http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?postid=74672) that I can remember. I can just see you, grinning at your monitor, opening the image you pulled from the web and giggling like a demon as you type the word Tiassa across it. I think you're focusing just a little too much on the things you've chosen to hate, Ben. Get some f--king help, and soon.

Besides, I never said it was any big effort. The words at all are important in that sentence. A comparable use would be to wonder if you have anything intelligent or important to say at all. You know, at all? It's not like it has to be very intelligent or very important. I wouldn't want to tax your faculties too much.More slanderous bullshit.Don't look at me, man ... you're the one who posted multiple anti-Islamic topics disguised as "requests for information". Disguised? Hey, it was a pale disguise, at best. But you didn't seem to acknowledge any of the responses to your "requests for information" without having a hissy-fit. Cut back on the sugar, maybe. And the caffeine. And the oxygen, too, but that's a touchy procedure that's not without its risks.And? Are you going to tell me that Moses, who murdered an Egyptian is going to hell despite claims to the contrary later in the Bible? Most notebly Elijah and Moses on the mount of Transfiguration with Jesus Christ himself.Funny, I recall at the time we were talking about Inquisitioners. And no, I'm not going to tell you that Moses is in Hell. After all, the God of the Bible has proven Himself hypocritical and inconsistent repeatedly. It's in the Bible. We've all been over it before, but I doubt you remember that since all you did was whine and huff.

I look forward to that citation of Teg's post.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

From Teg:
"For what it's worth I believe Tiassa made it very clear some time ago that he is a Pagan."

04-05-02 12:04 PM

Found on page four of this very thread. Keep at your little hole Tiassa and you'll soon be 6 feet under.

"No, KalvinB, when calling me an atheist"

So now it's an insult to call you an athiest?

"I think you're focusing just a little too much on the things you've chosen to hate, Ben. Get some f--king help, and soon."

I don't hate you. I just think you're a jackass. And how much time did you waste comming up with all the slander you could muster in the last post? A little too much focus methinks.

Ben

So let me get this straight; you can find an "editoral" from months ago (which I found mildly amusing) but you couldn't do a search for the word "pagan" and find Teg's post.

"you're the one who posted multiple anti-Islamic topics"

No, I posted "anti-fundamentalism based on Islam" papers. I opened my presentation in class with "is this Islam? I don't know, don't care. Is it fundamentalism? Yes." The 2nd paper is everything the fundamentalists believe and where they get it from. The 3rd paper laid out the consequences for believeing what was contained in the 2nd paper. I got a 400 out of 400 on that one. Obviously this whole concept just went way over your head. I know you do it all the time, but I don't find it very worthwhile to attack a system of beliefs without understanding it first. I could only attack fundamentalism by figuring out where it came from first.

You really need to put down the pot and try to pay attention so maybe you'll stop being such a slanderous jackass.

Ben

"For what it's worth I believe Tiassa made it very clear some time ago that he is a Pagan." Well ... that's what I thought you'd post. Imagine that? I will definitely chalk that up to your reading comprehension until Teg advises me otherwise.So now it's an insult to call you an athiest? I reiterate the question: How can I be a shame to a community I'm not part of? If you're going to insult me as a shame to something, Ben, insult me as a shame to something I am. :rolleyes: I don't hate you. I just think you're a jackass. And how much time did you waste comming up with all the slander you could muster in the last post? A little too much focus methinks.On the one hand, I'm not manufacturing editorial cartoons about you. To the other, given how little you have to say, the responses come easily enough. To yet a third, I'm quite sure that responding to your posts at all (you know, at all?) is a waste of time. And, if I pretend to be my cat long enough to count off the fourth paw, I would go so far as to say that I'm quite enjoying the spectacle you're putting on at present.

Seriously, go have a tea biscuit and some fresh-squeezed lemonade. You'll feel better afterward.

--Tiassa :cool:

"See? I knew you weren't reading the posts. "

I generally stop reading after the first slanderous sentence or two of your little hissy fits.

"Why do you bother posting at all, then?"

Generally when someone is trying to slander you, you stand up to them. Stupid jackass.

Ben

"How can I be a shame to a community I'm not part of?"

Considering you've managed to convince you're little imp parade I'm a pagan somehow, how can you then claim I'm a shame to a community you don't even see me as a part of?

"insult me as a shame to something I am."

How's this: "You are a shame to donkeys." See the problem is that you keep looking for insults and all I'm offering is observation.

"I'm not manufacturing editorial cartoons about you"

That's because you can only write novels. When you go off on your little slanderous hissy fits, you really go off. You couldn't condense a point into a single sentence and a picture. I have practice writing short stories and little quips. I've written cartoons before just for the hell of it. That sort of thing just isn't your style.

"I'm quite enjoying the spectacle you're putting on at present."

I'm glad you're amused.

Ben

Considering you've managed to convince you're little imp parade I'm a pagan somehow, how can you then claim I'm a shame to a community you don't even see me as a part of? You still don't get it, do you?You couldn't condense a point into a single sentence and a picture. I have practice writing short stories and little quips. I've written cartoons before just for the hell of it. That sort of thing just isn't your style. Cartoons? Good, then at least you knew what you were doing beforehand. And if there's one thing I've learned at Sciforums, it's that single-sentence points are lost on posters such as yourself. It's amazing how often you absolutely miss those points. If you paid attention to what was actually happening around here, then you'd understand the problem of condensing one's point. Heck, if you understood human diversity, the problem of condensed information should be inherently apparent.I'm glad you're amused.You still don't get it, do you?I generally stop reading after the first slanderous sentence or two of your little hissy fits. Don't complain about the posts if you're not reading them. By the way, Ben, just to remind you, the word you're looking for is libel, or, in this case, libelous. You write short stories, you say? What, your interpretation of The Little Engine That Could? Come on, I'd think a writer would know the difference between libel and slander.Generally when someone is trying to slander you, you stand up to them. Stupid jackass. How do you know what the posts say if you stop reading them? Really, Ben, you should at least have an idea of what you're talking about. As a writer, I'm sure you well know the difference between reacting to a sentence and reacting to a complete written body.

And, frankly, you must be an actor, too, since you're pretending to be a writer with apparent reading comprehension difficulties. Seriously, if it's dyslexia or some other reading disorder, just admit to it, and I'll lay off.

--Tiassa :cool:

Does my use of the word "slander" confuse you?

"What, your interpretation of The Little Engine That Could?"

That's "what <b>is</b>..."

What kind of writer are you that can't write a proper sentence? Or are you just in a hurry is write? Or are you asking if I write about the Little Engine That Could? How much more slanderous bullshit can you muster? You've seen my writing. Anyone who wants to can see my writing.

"I'd think a writer would know the difference between libel and slander."

When you read my posts, think of me as <b>talking</b> to you. If I were writing a document I'd use the term libel. But since I'm in time-shifted verbal debate I use the term slander. It has nothing to do with knowing the difference between the two. It's just a matter of how I view these discussions.

"As a writer, I'm sure you well know the difference between reacting to a sentence and reacting to a complete written body."

As a whole you're full of shit. Though that pile of shit is made up of many bits of slander. Or if that confuses you: that pile of shit is made of of many bits of libel.

Ben

Hey,

KB is still in school... (high school?)

and taking english lessons ...

That explains a lot of things... :D

While we are on the topic of cartoons, look what I came across -

http://www.fashionablytall.com/1-the-good-shepherd.gif

:D

"KB is still in school... (high school?)
and taking english lessons ...
That explains a lot of things..."

You've got your imps well trained Tiassa, in the art of slander and libel.

Ben

Tiassa, where on earth did you get that cartoon? It looks like gay anime! I had no idea such a genre existed!

However, I would not insult Tony so.

You've got your imps well trained Tiassa, in the art of slander and libel.

Kalvin, I would rather not know about the practices of whatever wierd sexual circles you frequent.

Nor would I automatically ascribe such behavior to Tiassa.

(BTW, Tiassa, I will not be your imp....unless you send pictures ;))

You'll have to ask Razz, wherever he may be these days, where the image came from. In the meantime, this is the thread in which it first appeared (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=5339) ... you'll notice that KalvinB actually took it well. There's that much to be said on his behalf. I wonder if he's been calculating this the whole time? Probably not. He can't necessarily remember what he wrote last week ....

I had almost forgotten about that thread entirely ... I rembered it as soon as I saw the cartoon, but I couldn't remember who T1's new love was. It took about two seconds to find; I just searched for Porfiry's post in that one.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

"I wonder if he's been calculating this the whole time? Probably not. He can't necessarily remember what he wrote last week "

No not really. If it's not posted at my web-site I probably don't remember writing it cause if it's not at my site, it's probably not worth remembering. That donkey picture is in my FTP directory because I find it hilarious and I doubt yours will be the only name to ever be on it.

"There's that much to be said on his behalf."

You mean I do have a sense of humor?

Ben

Does my use of the word "slander" confuse you? No, it amuses me, a writer who doesn't want to use the term that refers to writing. Now, if you were a comedian .... :rolleyes: "What, your interpretation of The Little Engine That Could?"

That's "what is..."

What kind of writer are you that can't write a proper sentence? Or are you just in a hurry is write? Or are you asking if I write about the Little Engine That Could? How much more slanderous bullshit can you muster? You've seen my writing. Anyone who wants to can see my writing. What use would I possibly have for the word is in that question? Why and in what Universe could I possibly care about your interpretation of The Little Engine That Could?

As you frequently like to accuse, I "write novels". I'm sure that a short-story writer of your prowess would understand A) the sentence itself, and B) how it relates to the paragraph around it.

Should I write that one up to your reading difficulties or your jackass fetish?When you read my posts, think of me as talking to you. If I were writing a document I'd use the term libel. But since I'm in time-shifted verbal debate I use the term slander.Whatever. Take me to court for slander, I dare you. And when your lawyer says, "Try libel," tell him to tell the judge to pretend you're saying something important. Aside from that, I just figured a writer of your, uh, integrity, would want to cease making a general fool of himself--especially when that inherent foolishness is a direct result of your reading and writing (and debate) skills.

Furthermore, if you want me to pretend you're talking, your point about the construction of my sentence makes even less sense, and reveals you even further (as if you're not naked on this count) as merely seeking issues upon which to stake your furies.It has nothing to do with knowing the difference between the two. It's just a matter of how I view these discussions.And that view is quite removed from reality, as we can all see. Of course, we're all familiar with you insisting on reality being what you decide it should be. There's nothing new about that.As a whole you're full of shit. Though that pile of shit is made up of many bits of slander. Or if that confuses you: that pile of shit is made of of many bits of libel. So, in reality, what you've told me is that the appearance of me as a pile of shit is, in fact, a mosaic of libelous bits. You're not telling us anything we didn't already know, Ben.

Oh ... You've got your imps well trained Tiassa, in the art of slander and libel. Shouldn't that be the arts of slander and libel? They are, after all, two entirely different arts. :rolleyes:

And, before you tell me that you think they should be the same thing, let me point out that the difference 'twixt them is not limited to their media. They are wholly separate processes; you have to be much more careful to get away with libel. If you want to see artful libel, read Bob Larson's scathing attacks against free speech. (Larson is--at least, used to be--amazing at manipulating with ellipses; well, not really. But he could make exceptionally stupid people believe some amazingly stupid things about music, at least.) If you want to hear artful slander ... just pay attention to politics, especially on the conservative side of the aisle.

Two quite different art forms ....You mean I do have a sense of humor?Well, wasn't that right after you blew your chance to actually be right after that ugly PM incident? I actually took it on the one hand as a sign of intelligence that you chose not to respond directly to the cartoon when Razz posted it--in that context, it would seem you're capable of learning. To the other, though, we all noticed that you chimed in to address me directly with one of your compressed pointlessness bits. At least we knew what you were after, even then.

You're still chasing your quarry, Ben, and its nearly three months later. And, quite simply, it's starting to look like you're chasing your tail and merely running into the table now and again.

I was looking back at a couple of posts, Ben--of that little insult you slung at Nelson--the Pharisees were Jews, Ben. They were Jewish, not Christian.

I would libel you and say you're bright, but in addition to being untrue, the statement also has to be defamatory.

--Tiassa :cool:

You've got your imps well trained Tiassa, in the art of slander and libel.

Actually KB, you get what you dish out. You're the one bringing this 'slander' onto yourself, so if you want to stop being 'slandered' try participating in the discussions here without resorting to personal insults and baseless propeganda, this is a scientific site after all.

Originally posted by G0D
KB is still in school... (high school?)

and taking english lessons ...

That explains a lot of things... :D :confused: :confused:
KB is presently in school. As he himself freely admits ...

He IS taking english classes. As he himself admits ....

Yet when I mention it, somehow it becomes the "art of slander and libel". :D :D

:confused:

Perhaps he would be happier if we were to refer to him as "jackass", "ignorant, pathetic", etc, "imp", etc, etc. :p

http://www.fashionablytall.com/1-the-good-shepherd.gif

I think Tony is smarter than y'all give him credit for.

I don't think that can be so. I toyed with the sarcasm as a sign of humor and thus intelligence. When it persisted along with an utter emptiness in thought and the dependence on bible quotes I have come to the same conclusion at every period of assessment: He uses sarcasm to hide his lack of substance.

I think Kalvin is a stupid wanker with nothing of substance to contribute, and I think Loone is some non-Christian's idea of a practical joke.

A parody, or burlesque of a fundamentalist.

I must agree with your assessment of KalvinB. As far back as I have knowledge I originated the Sir. Loone=Atheist theory. We played with that one for a while. I had alternate theories proposing that he was an escaped mental patient or just a slow person. Tony1 supports Loone so either you are right and Loone is not a "believer", thus negating your assessment of Tony or you are wrong about both.

Blah blah blah Tiassa.

"of that little insult you slung at Nelson--the Pharisees were Jews, Ben. They were Jewish, not Christian."

And of course you're too much of a stupid jackass to realize that has nothing to do with anything. He was acting like the Pharisee who walked away condemned. So he can't act like a pharisee unless he's Jewish? Are you now claiming he's a Jew? That would be ironic considering he claims Tony isn't Christian.

You're full of shit and you have absolutly nothing to say for yourself.

If you want me to start calling you a libelous jackass to make you feel better I will. Are you dumb as well? Can't talk? Considering how much of a blatent liar you are in writing it wouldn't surprise me if you lie as much verbally. So calling you a slanderous jackass isn't off the mark.

Xelios:
"You're the one bringing this 'slander' onto yourself"

Yeah it's all my fault for having an opinion. If I just didn't have an opinion, jackasses such as Tiassa couldn't be libelous and slanderous jackasses about what it is.

Teg:
Course you agree. You're a mindless little imp.

Ben

KalvinB:Teg:
Course you agree. You're a mindless little imp.
Those in glass houses should not throw stones. From the limited vocabulary and dependence on juvenile name-calling(jackass, imp, etc.) your domicile can be toppled with a pebble. Do you know words other than shit and libel? You claim that we have all slandered your name. Why would we need to do something you are more adept at than any of us?

Xev, Diogenes followed and sold people on The School of Cynics. He would perform irreprehensible acts in public to garner attention. They believed in a universe brought about by natural forces. They held that a return to nature is the key to happiness. They hated politics. They rejected traditional customs. They had an idea called the Universal Brotherhood. They were never as popular as the Stoics, but alas they were the closest thing we can find to a Greek (albeit Hellenistic) sect of what we could probably define as atheists or secular humanists (according to beliefnet:rolleyes:).

History is a great way of understanding current ideas fully. For instance early Christians were masochists. The problem grew to the point that a specific rule was universally accepted at monasteries banning that activity.

Quality writing, in something less than verse, summarized from KalvinB:

Quality Writing?

Not it's not you obnoxious twit,
You people are the most ignorant jackasses I've ever come across--
the king of Jackasses of course is too stupid to see,
But I tell you the truth.
I can judge you because I know the law--
you're the worst kind of Christian there is; A Pharisee.
Absolutly pathetic.
Stupid jackass.
Go smoke a bowl and be gone.

No you ignorant twit,
your a hypocritial jackass.
You are a hypocritial pious jackass who can't see what a wretched miserable individual you are.
That makes you an ignorant obnoxious jackass.
You're also an ignorant jackass.
Absolutly pathetic.

I'm doing nothing of the sort jackass.
I'm directing my observations at the jackass with the bong.
It doesn't matter what you believe.
YOU PERSONALLY ARE A JACKASS.
It doesn't matter what you believe.
Even if someone else believes what you do, you're the ONLY ONE I'm calling a jackass.
How stupid are you?
Somehow you've dellusioned yourself into thinking that if I call YOU a jackass
I'm calling everyone who believes what you do a jackass.
JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT....YOU ... ARE A JACKASS.

Stupid jackass.
Whatever community you're a part of, you are a shame to.
Is this really that hard to grasp?
You people are the biggest jackasses I've ever come across.
You can go on an on all you want but that doesn't change the simple observation that you are indeed jackasses.
You simply are jackasses.
It's OBSERVATION,
of course you're all too stupid,
you're all too stupid.

Course you're too much a slanderous jackass,
Jackass.

I should clarify that I grabbed the donkey--
too stupid to see
that stupid jackass package.
Yet another example of you being a jackass.

Obviously you're too much of a stupid jackass
I was pointing out that
YOU PERSONALLY are a jackass,
likewise just a pile of donkey doo.
I've been pointing our you're a jackass for weeks,
and you'll soon be 6 feet under.
I don't hate you.
I just think you're a jackass.
You really need to put down the pot and
stop being such a slanderous jackass.

I generally stop reading.
Stupid jackass.

How's this: "You are a shame to donkeys."
I have practice writing
I've written
I'm glad you're amused.

When you read my posts, think of me as talking to you.
If I were writing a document I'd use the term libel.
It has nothing to do with knowing the difference,
It's just a matter of how I view these discussions.

As a whole you're full of shit,
that pile of shit is made up of many bits of slander
that pile of shit is made of of many bits of libel.
You've got your imps well trained.

I find it hilarious and I doubt
I do have a sense of humor.
Blah blah blah

And of course you're too much of a stupid jackass to realize--
You're full of shit and you have absolutly nothing to say for yourself.
Are you dumb as well?
Can't talk?
So calling you a slanderous jackass isn't off the mark.

Yeah it's all my fault for having an opinion.
If I just didn't have an opinion, jackasses couldn't be libelous and slanderous jackasses--
You're a mindless little imp.

(The above free-verse was brought to you by KalvinB, Witchfinder Sargeant and Jackass Specialist.)

Now KalvinB can tell us he's a poet, too.

:rolleyes:,
Tiassa :cool:

KalvinB, Calm the fuck down.

I am curious!Whatever you believe, believe the Truth!

Teg:
Xev, Diogenes followed and sold people on The School of Cynics. He would perform irreprehensible acts in public to garner attention.

Ah yes, masturbating in the Agora. And they say philosophy is boring. :)

One is tempted to draw parallels with artists such as Marilyn Manson and Joel Peter-Wilkin and their highly public acts of defiance against society. Is rebellion a sign of brilliance? I think so. However, rebellion isn't proof of brilliance. As Manson himself says

"It doesn't take a rebel to sing along"

But that's off topic.

I would definitely call the Cynics athiests. While some believed in the Gods, most seemed to regard them either as nonexistent or irrelevent.

History is a great way of understanding current ideas fully. For instance early Christians were masochists. The problem grew to the point that a specific rule was universally accepted at monasteries banning that activity.

Hmm, I am not so sure I'd brand them all as masochists (no pun intended). While I'm sure that many of them enjoyed their hairshirts and public humiliation in the name of the God they submitted to, the voluntary acceptence and use of pain does not necessarily mean one is being masochistic.

Otherwise, what would we say of all those supermodels who eat very little and excersize very much? Pain can be a tool, a means of overcoming, and it can be a means to pleasure. One can exalt one's Will through the conquest of pain - i.e Giordano Bruno values his philosophy over avoiding the torture he was subjected to for not renouncing it, thus gaining power by his refusal to submit even to the threat of agonizing death.

One should also bear in mind that sexual masochism has more to do with humiliation and being stripped of power than it has to do with pain per se.

*Edit*

Wow, this thread is almost a year old.

*Originally posted by Xev
Wow, this thread is almost a year old. *

Not to mention that it pretty much fizzled out last April.

It's a Christmas miracle.

That's weird.

You're not on 34th st, are you?

Nope. Then again, I wouldn't call the rejuvination (misspelled, I'm sure) of this thread a miracle.

BTW, merry Christmas.

Tony1--Now that is a witty line I can appreciate. No necessary bite, it's well-placed, and very few people would have thought to make it.

Xev--Honestly, just stop and think of your Greek, Latin, and other roots, especially as you've come to know them in modernity. Technically it's rejuvenation, but the only reason I stop to point that out is because I know that if you stopped to think of "juvenile hall", you would have answered your own issue about the spelling.

In general--Days like this make me wish I could still tolerate the idea of being a Christian. Then I could say something like "Christ on a pony!" or "For the love of Christ!" or "Jesus H. Baldheaded Fucking Christ!"

In other words, For fuck's sake! How does this topic still live?!

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

so who r the false atheists?

*Originally posted by tiassa
Tony1--Now that is a witty line I can appreciate. No necessary bite, No necessary bite, it's well-placed, and very few people would have thought to make it. *

A compliment.
Wow!
Thanks, tiassa.

*For fuck's sake! How does this topic still live?!*

It doesn't.
It's a zombie topic.
It started out as a real topic, and now it's just a hollow shell of a topic, animated by some unknown force.

*Originally posted by cool skill
so who r the false atheists?*

The people who claim to be atheists while knowing full well they really are going to have to explain themselves to God, i.e. most atheists.

Tony1:
The people who claim to be atheists while knowing full well they really are going to have to explain themselves to God, i.e. most atheists.

LOL! Its funny cause its true. I think that most atheist still believe in God if only to cover their asses. Maybe not out in the open, maybe more of a psychological thingy.

Wow this thread is a year old. Somebody brought it back from the dead! Happy Easter!

*Originally posted by CounslerCoffee
I think that most atheist still believe in God if only to cover their asses.*

They probably do, however, believing in that way will serve to make everything worse in the end.

The only plausible excuse I can think of is to have some form of brain damage that makes it impossible to form thoughts about God.

Coffee:
Perhaps, but as Americans we live in a God-saturated culture. The exclamation "oh God" means that an athiest is a closet theist if and only if the expression "after sunset" means that one is a geo-centrist.

Tony:
The only plausible excuse I can think of is to have some form of brain damage that makes it impossible to form thoughts about God.

Why now, if nothing else, listening to Acheron makes one think of God - albeit in an uncomplimentary light. *Laughs* I suppose death metal is like the exact opposite of CCM.

But seriously, yes. Through whatever reason, one never feels the presence of God.

I was always kind of a fan of Candlemass. Messiah Marcolin's voice was, well, unique in its own right. They had a great song about ten years ago called "The Bells of Acheron". Just popped to mind.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Originally posted by tony1
The only plausible excuse I can think of is to have some form of brain damage that makes it impossible to form thoughts about God.It's more likely that some theists are the ones who are brain-damaged. After all, they seem to be suffering from delusions; seeing things that no one else can see. The rest are simply agreeing because it's what they've been taught and their belief structure relies upon such delusions. It's like the story of the Emperor's new clothes:

The emperor walked beneath the beautiful canopy in the procession, and all the people in the street and in their windows said, "Goodness, the emperor's new clothes are incomparable! What a beautiful train on his jacket. What a perfect fit!" No one wanted it to be noticed that he could see nothing, for then it would be said that he was unfit for his position or that he was stupid. None of the emperor's clothes had ever before received such praise.

"But he doesn't have anything on!" said a small child.

"Good Lord, let us hear the voice of an innocent child!" said the father, and whispered to another what the child had said.

"A small child said that he doesn't have anything on!"

Finally everyone was saying, "He doesn't have anything on!"

The emperor shuddered, for he knew that they were right, but he thought, "The procession must go on!" He carried himself even more proudly, and the chamberlains walked along behind carrying the train that wasn't there.

http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type1620.html
The story, being a rather powerful insight to human nature, has been told by many cultures:

The seven men replied, "You must obtain good silk thread and give it to us. Then construct for us a place in your festival garden and provide us with food and drink." Then they added, "The silk cloth that we weave is not visible to a low-born person; only a well-born person can see it."

So the king procured silk thread for the men. The men took it to the festival garden and put it away.

People came to the festival garden to look at the copper-colored silk robe. The seven men were there at work. The people could see their motions of weaving, cutting, and stitching, but the silk robe itself was not visible. Hence each man thought to himself, "I must be low-born, for I cannot see this copper-colored silk robe."

And what if these were their thoughts! Each person kept them to himself, and no one uttered them aloud.

http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type1620.html
For all your exclamations that the Emperor's clothes are wonderous we atheists perceive that the Emperor is, in fact, naked.

~Raithere

Originally posted by tony1
*Originally posted by CounslerCoffee
I think that most atheist still believe in God if only to cover their asses.*

They probably do, however, believing in that way will serve to make everything worse in the end.

The only plausible excuse I can think of is to have some form of brain damage that makes it impossible to form thoughts about God.

Or you could think the other way around.

I dont think that it works that way, Zero. See you would have to believe in God first and then... Okay, yeah it could work that way.

No, the part about brain damage.

my frend is the biggest atheist, but he refuses 2 admit it.
i call him "you atheist" all the time.

i jus find it funny that he refuses 2 accept is true nature despite all the worst symptoms:
he gets irritated at any mention of religion or God.
he cant stand the phrase "oh god".
he complains whenever any religous subject is brought up.
he goes absolutly bonkers upon witnessing any public display of religion.
how much more atheist can u get?