Re: Fighting Anti-Semitism; Education for tolerance some people suggest--other suggest the killer Zionists give respite to the Palestinian people--yet others suggest nuking Israel.

14/05/2003 21:46

Israel's Haaretz published the following:

"Hatred of Jews at highest level since WWII."

Anti-Semitism is rising at a rate unseen since the end of World War Two, fuelled in part by an explosion of hate sites on the Internet, Jewish leaders told an international conference on intolerance Monday.

From just one Web site, there were now more than 4,000 promoting terrorism, hate and historical revisionism, according to a report released at the conference held at the Paris headquarters of UNESCO, the UN scientific and cultural body. http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/292472.html

Abdulla: Well, like P. T. Barnum once said it long ago: "There's a sucker born every minute," and the sucker's who claim that the murder, maiming, displacement and devastation of the Palestinian people by the US & Israel have nothing to do with the worlds revulsion of these two "mother-of-all-Bullies," The US & Israel--are deeply mistaken! :eek:

Salaaaam,

AbdullaTheBomber....


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anti semitism existed way before zionism. this is not to deny that zionist brutality exacerbate the situation. a jew only has to be himself to be hated and this is unacceptable. why the irrational hatred? jealousy? envy? or just simple assholishness? screw you gentiles! is it not enough you slaughtered the jews since forever?

Originally posted by Abdullathebomber
...like P. T. Barnum once said it long ago: "There's a sucker born every minute,"Actually, Barnum never said that. It's just one of those "facts" that everyone accepts as true. The phrase was actually coined by 19th century con man, Joe Bessimer. And yes, I do have too much time on my hands. ;)

:m: Peace.

White americans hate jews because they are idiotic and only mimic post-WW1 Germany.

Arabs hate jews because they actually work hard to be intitled to that hate.

Nothing difficult to understand in that spookz and there is certainly nothing racist or related to envy within such a remark.

Shalom

Shall we bring this discussion into the more realistic levels of what anti-semitism truly is ? As a religious peoples there have been many of the often hated Jewish faith , that have been prosecuted , slaughtered , raped and oppressed , just for being what they were .

The term however , dates back to over a 100 years ago , when it was introduced into German and German-Jewish literature . The term was introduced by the German Wilhelm Marr (http://www.oup-usa.org/isbn/0195040058.html) , and uplifted into the literary world by Karl Marx , Richard Wagner and other German and German-Jewish writers . The term was oftenly used by Jews toward mostly religious Jews , and by Germans toward Jews in general .

This age in Germany was of the Jewish enlightment , the intellectual upperclasses consisted of many Jews and as they were aware of the commoners situation throughtout Europe and throughout their history , they developed a self-hating concept that translated itself into what was know as anti-semitism , and from this awareness another wonderfull solution was born . This was when Theodore Herzl (http://www.jewishmag.com/9mag/herzl/herzl.htm) developped the concept of zionism as a political ideology . As the Russian-Jewish philosopher Vladimir Lenin followed by the Russian-Jewish Leon Trotsky created the solution of Karl Marx , David Ben-Gurion (http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/bengurion.html) created Herzls solution by establishing the state of Israel after a long struggle and anti-semitic assistance from his nazi-sympathizing gangs of Irgun and Lehi that were under leadership of men like .
Yitzhak (http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/people/BIOS/shamir.html) Shamir (http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/showArticles.php?tid=18)

The Sovyet-Union changed leadership after Josiph Stalin was installed , as the entire military staff of the red army , as the entire revolutionairy councill were either killed or chased out of the empire , Leon Trotsky found his peace in Switzerland I believe .................

Yet the other Jewish political ideology did not fail , as it not only learned from what happened in the Sovyet Union , it had also dealt with nazism close-hand . It defeated every other Army that attacked it , it has reached influence within the last superpower America , it has military superiorit , economic superiority , it just missed one thing ......... and that is that it has totally missed its purpose , anti-semitism .

A famous modern anti-semite is Vladimir Zhirinovsky (http://www.jewishpost.com/jp0809/jpn0809p.htm) , who still has that traditional self-hate . All the other anti-semites seem to have adapted their policy , into the creation of a Hebrew national identity , how ironic . It is the exact reason why these days its quite common to be called an anti-semite as you oppose the anti-semites (http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/ml_king.html)
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Originally posted by spookz
anti semitism existed way before zionism. this is not to deny that zionist brutality exacerbate the situation. a jew only has to be himself to be hated and this is unacceptable. why the irrational hatred? jealousy? envy? or just simple assholishness? screw you gentiles! is it not enough you slaughtered the jews since forever?

Abdulla: Yes SPOOKSY, you're right. But let's face it--the money changers were hated even before Zionism ever lifted its ugly head--but alas, who were these money changers? :)

SPOOKSY: "A Jew has only to be himself?"

You mean arrogant, greedy, pretentious, self serving, and Chutzpah filled?

SPOOKSY: "Why the irrational hatred?"

Irrational hatred, huh? Gee SPOOKSY, I would not call anti-Semitism irrational. Because as we see Palestinian's being brutalized and left homeless "on their own turf" each and every day of their lives--indeed, we think that the Palestinian's attacking the Zionists with stones, homemade bombs and even their bare fists is quite rational--and when desperately angry people place a bomb under their clothing and go after the thugs that are brutalizing them, that indeed is both rational and understandable.

Personally, I call those acts SELF DEFENSE!

Thank God for the Torah Jews--they exemplyfy all that is decent about Judaism--and guess what SPOOKSY?

THEY HATE THE ZIONISTS TOO, LOL!

Please checkout: WWW.JewsNotZionists.Org

See what I mean? :)

Salaaaam,

AbdullaTheBomber*

*Now retired from active duty and drawing a pension from the Saudi's! :)

Abdulla: Yes SPOOKSY, you're right. But let's face it--the money changers were hated even before Zionism ever lifted its ugly head--but alas, who were these money changers?

You mean arrogant, greedy, pretentious, self serving, and Chutzpah filled

thats crap. dont make me follow you around with towel head jokes

Irrational hatred, huh? Gee SPOOKSY, I would not call anti-Semitism irrational. Because as we see Palestinian's being brutalized and left homeless "on their own turf" each and every day of their lives--indeed, we think that the Palestinian's attacking the Zionists with stones, homemade bombs and even their bare fists is quite rational--and when desperately angry people place a bomb under their clothing and go after the thugs that are brutalizing them, that indeed is both rational and understandable

sure i agree. kill them all

Zionists and anti-semetic partisans -if they are smart- will get along just fine.

One wants to have its own country
The other wants the first out of his.

See how we could so easily get along?

Now if the Israelites could just stop occupying the Palestinians and gasing them with undisclosed chemicals...

Prisme

Zionists and anti-semetic partisans -if they are smart- will get along just fine.

One wants to have its own country
The other wants the first out of his.


Now bring this back to that time , that time when there was this crazy German dude with a mustache that wanted to rid Europe of every Jew , that was the same time some Jews wanted their peoples to leave Europe for Israel .......

But fools would yell : What ? Nazi's and Jews allied ? Thats not possible . It isnt , but a Zionist and a Nazi's is much more than possible , it already has been actualized ........

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
Prisme; Now bring this back to that time , that time when there was this crazy German dude with a mustache that wanted to rid Europe of every Jew, that was the same time some Jews wanted their peoples to leave Europe for Israel .......

But fools would yell : What? Nazi's and Jews allied? That's not possible. It isn't, but a Zionist and a Nazi's is much more than possible , it already has been actualized ........

Abdulla: Interesting, huh folks?

The Nazi's believe in the superiority of their race.
The Nazis believed that genocide/ethnic cleansing was the way.
The Nazi's stole all that the Jews possessed.
The Nazi's put all of their victims into concentration camps.
The Nazi's called the Jews Rats, Vermin and cockroaches.
The Nazi's believed fascism was a religion to be followed "to the letter."

In Israel, under Natanyahu & Sharon we see all of these same beliefs and practices.

Sieg Heil-Shalom?

AbdullaTheBomber....

Backup backup Abdullathebomber!

Not everyone that is a national-scocialist cared\cares for ethnic supremacy.
Ethnic supremacy (or integrity) can be simply achieved by racial segregation: such as giving the jews their land and leave them there in peace.
Nazism is not a religion but a political ideology.

I agree that Israel is no better.

Prisme

P.S.
As someone that bleives that the historical revisionists do have some relevence... would it not have been easyer to deport jews than to exterminate them?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prisme
Backup backup Abdullathebomber!

Not everyone that is a national-scocialist cared\cares for ethnic supremacy. Ethnic supremacy (or integrity) can be simply achieved by racial segregation: such as giving the jews their land and leave them there in peace. [Quote].

Abdulla: You don't give a trespasser "their land" back no matter how many artifacts you can dig up belonging to his side.


Prisme: As someone that belives that the historical revisionists do have some relavence... would it not have been easier to deport Jews than to exterminate them?

Abdulla: In 1944 the Gestapo offered the Zionists the opportunity to save hundreds of thousands of Jews by having them deported to Spain--the Zionists refused--( "To Israel or nothing!") and the rest is history.

BTW: Can you imagine the entire world returning to their "original" borders 2,000 years ago---ABSURD!*

*Where would all you European trespassers, now living in North America for 225+ year, go?

Prisme: "Nazism is not a religion but a political ideology."

Abdulla: "Judiasm is a religion and Zionism a very sick ideology."

Prisme: "I agree that Israel is no better."

Abdulla: AMEN!

AbdullaTheBomber....

Judiasm is a religion and Zionism a very sick ideology


I dont think Zionism is a sick ideology in its essence , unlike for instance capitalism or national-socialism . Ofcourse it has turned out as just the same , but Zionism itself is nothing but for some non-religious Jews to trade their religious identity with a national one . I believe all people should be able to live in peace an a land they can call their own , the problems started short after this idea : First there was Uganda (something that would be even worse than Palestine perhaps) and after that we all know what happened ...... but what if they would go to a nice un-inhabited peace of land far from hositle forces , would there be a problem with that ? I dont think so .......

I don't see why national-socialism or democracy would be more evidently 'sick' in comparison with zionism.

Originally posted by YitzhaKShimshelevitZ
As a religious peoples there have been many of the often hated Jewish faith, that have been prosecuted , slaughtered , raped and oppressed, just for being what they were.

Abdulla: If you were talking about blacks your argument would hold water Yitzhak.

But the Jew has endeared himself throughout mankinds history by his arrogant and oft insolent behavior. This was 1st recorded in their kingdom of Khazaria (520 BC) in the Cacasus/Black/Caspian sea areas where they first originated from a Turkish cross section of tribes and will end when the Massiah get's fed up with these arrogant sons of his and does a number on them in quiet desperation.

Throughout history--and I'm talking about the time period before Moses and after Abraham--God has struggled with these problem children of his. The 40 years they spent wondering in the wilderness did little to quench their thirst for arrogance or learn about humility and this appaears to be traits that they carry deep in their DNA because if it isn't the Palestinian's, the German's or what have you--they seem to "endear" themselves in every society they inhabit.

They have done their greatest work in the social sciences, the arts and the sciences during the disaspora, while intermixed with other societies, and now appear to be doing their worst work as a united nation separate and apart from other societies as evidenced by the brutality they visit on those that wear the same shoes they did during the Nazi inspired Holocaust.

In Israel today if they are not abusing the Arabs--they are fighting and abusing each other over who is more Jewish than whom.

Oh my!

AbdullaTheBomber....

Prisme

I don't see why national-socialism or democracy would be more evidently 'sick' in comparison with zionism


sick would be the wrong word indeed , I only repeated it because of the way Abdulla put it into function .

The difference of those ideologies compared to Zionism differ in essence :

1)Zionism is based on a peoples to have a land

2)National Socialism is based on racism within one nation

3)Capitalism is based on authority to profit from non-authority .

4)Democracy is based on authority of the majority as righteous

(ps I didnt mention democracy I mentioned capitalism but democracy isnt excluded anyways so ......)

Abdulla

But the Jew has endeared himself throughout mankinds history by his arrogant and oft insolent behavior


Man your full of shit , there hasnt been ever a hostile Jewish representation as a peoples because there hardly ever was a Jewish peoples . You are generelizing into one group , and even in that group you are generalizing east and west , and even within the west you are generelizing upper class and lower class . Thats just pure bullshit what you are saying there bro


This was 1st recorded in their kingdom of Khazaria (520 BC) in the Cacasus/Black/Caspian sea areas where they first originated from a Turkish cross section of tribes


what a bunch of bullshit there wasnt even Khazaria in 520 BC the only jews back then were Hebrew Israelites an ancient peoples who had there short comings but werent particulary evil just like any other average tribe of peoples ? If you speak of 520 BC you speak of Hebrew Israelites , u got problems with them ?

Just saying : If you were talking about blacks makes you look stupid as the Hebrew Israelites were not quite likely light-skinned , and their purest decendands are black as the night .

Anyways , the Ashkenazim (who you most likely speak of when u generelize them as Jews) didnt originate in 520 BC but a thousand years ago .


will end when the Massiah get's fed up with these arrogant sons of his and does a number on them in quiet desperation.


Yea Im sure the Messiah goes to ethiopia and slaughters the starving Falasha because of being sinners . Im sure he'll slaughter the Yemenites just as well ....
:mad:


Throughout history--and I'm talking about the time period before Moses and after Abraham--God has struggled with these problem children of his.


The Hebrew Israelites ?


The 40 years they spent wondering in the wilderness did little to quench their thirst for arrogance or learn about humility and this appaears to be traits that they carry deep in their DNA because if it isn't the Palestinian's, the German's or what have you--they seem to "endear" themselves in every society they inhabit.


Well the Ashkenazim genes have little to do with Hebrew Israelites so there goes you racist assertion
:mad:


In Israel today if they are not abusing the Arabs--they are fighting and abusing each other over who is more Jewish than whom.


Those are obviously all zionists are they not ?

Abdulla your full of crap this time , you shouldnt generelize so crappy as you do , you shouldnt judge so racial as you do , and you should read up abit on Jewish history because you seem totally out of it , blaming the peoples of Moses because of an intellectual upperclass of zionists and they're retarded racist followers .

The Khazar people were an unusual phenomenon for Medieval times. Surrounded by savage and nomadic tribes, they had all the advantages of the developed countries: structured government, vast and prosperous trading, and a permanent army. At the time, when great fanatism and deep ignorance contested their dominion over Western Europe, the Khazar state was famous for its justice and tolerance. People persecuted for their faiths flocked into Khazaria from everywhere. As a glistening star it shone brightly on the gloomy horizon of Europe, and faded away without leaving any traces of existence."
- V. V. Grigoriev (1835; from the 1876 book Rossii i Aziya, in the essay "O dvoystvennosti verkhovnoy vlasti u khazarov", on page 66)

"Though the Jews were everywhere a subject people, and in much of the world persecuted as well, Khazaria was the one place in the medieval world where the Jews actually were their own masters.... To the oppressed Jews of the world, the Khazars were a source of pride and hope, for their existence seemed to prove that God had not completely abandoned His people."
- Raymond Scheindlin, in The Chronicles of the Jewish People (1996)

http://econc10.bu.edu/economic_systems/NatIdentity/FSU/Caucasus/khazaria.htm

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html



so ahh these khazars stopped you arabs from colonising e.europe huh? stopped you from killing the infidels? is that what you are so pissed off about? that there arent little bombers in poland? hungary?

you suck dog. get a frikkin grip!

alright! my man allah!

alright! my man allah!

You're too kind

:D


so ahh these kazhars stopped you arabs from colonising e.europe huh? stopped you from killing the infidels? is that what you ar so pissed off about? that there arent little bombers in poland? hungary?


But spookster , lets not Arab-bash just because he Jew-bashes , its ridiculous . First of all lets not behave like the Arabs were the war-hungry empire , they were shit compared to the Turks for one , and secondly the fased Byzantium who were quite the warriors , as well as the Khazars who were the first warrior Jews (Zionists would be the second) . All 3 of them would have been quite capable of infideling eachother into murder , dont you say ?

For Arabia Khazaria did quite some good things as well , as for instance keeping out the Rus and other barbaric tribes , they would have taken over Arabia completely . Who know what would have happened if Khazaria wasnt there , perhaps all the scientific knowledge the Arabs had would have been destroyd , so they couldnt pass on Greek knowledge to the Euro's so everybody would still be stuck into their book-burning philosophies .

But spookster , lets not Arab-bash just because he Jew-bashes , its ridiculous .

yes of course. however if he keeps this up i might get rude and crude so dont take it personally (flaming can be fun) perhaps i should try and document arab military exploits and conquests in all their brutal and bloody glory. perhaps i could be a hindu and rant on the moslem invasions of india. but it is silly like you said so.....

;)

First of all lets not behave like the Arabs were the war-hungry empire , they were shit compared to the Turks for one , and secondly the fased Byzantium who were quite the warriors , as well as the Khazars who were the first warrior Jews (Zionists would be the second) . All 3 of them would have been quite capable of infideling eachother into murder , dont you say ?


no doubt. however all you are doing here is pointing out a difference in degree. ie: some were more murderous than others.
i am also quite aware of the contributions arabs have made to civ.

According to Shaikh the arrogance of Muhammad is fully expressed in the arrogance of the religion he invented toward all non_Arabs, especially the Jews. The notorious episode of the Jewish tribe of the Banu Quraiza, in which Muhammad is supposed to have overseen the slaughter of 800 Jewish men, is seen by Shaikh as: "a pathetic model of ethnic cleansing. The Jews suffered this fate when they refused to become Arabs. We cannot find an example of such extreme nationalism so early in history. Yet the muslims believe that Islam does not recognize nationalism. They insist that it is a message of international brotherhood". (103_4) As regards history this is not quite true of course. It was routine in the ancient world that when a city was conquered the men were killed and the women and children sold into slavery. However that may be, Shaikh is undoubtedly right to emphasize the essentially Arab nature of Islam, and how that ethnic identity was imposed on those they conquered.

I have two questions for the panel:

1. I basically dislike Christians. Am I considered to be a bad person by society? No. But if I disliked jews...well, then what would be the difference? (you can see what I'm getting at, all religions have been persecuted, why is it so bad to dislike any religious group - after all - people CHOOSE to believe in these ideologies, it's not like, skin color)

2. Do you all see the underlying dilema here? Basically, this whole war only proves the absurdity of "owning" land.

For several centuries after its advent, Islam was an alibi for Arab imperialism. And it was an imperialism of a type which the world had not known so far. The Arabs not only imposed their ruthless rule and totalitarian creed on the countries they conquered; they also populated these countries with a prolific progeny whch they procreated on native women. Every Arab worth his race 'married' scores, sometimes hundreds of these helpless women after their menfolk had all been killed. Divorce of a wedded wife had been made very easy by the 'law' of Islam. A man could go on marrying and divorcing at the rate of several women during the span of a single day and night. What was more convenient, there was no restriction on the number of concubines a man could keep. The Arab Conquerors used these male privileges in full measure. And in a matter of a hundred years, Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Egypt and North Africa which had been non-Arab countries for countless ages became Arabic-speaking countries. Arabic did not spread like English, French or other similar languages that spread through commercial and diplomatic excellence of the lending nation and filtered through the top strata of the receiving: countries. Arabic was injected through all strata of the conquered population which did not have much choice in the matter. Thus we have a series of countries that are 'Arabic' in race, culture and language extending from Iraq to Morocco. Conversion was not confined to creed alone, it covered one's ancestry as well.
from Islam: The Arab National Movement, by Anwar Shaikh
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"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."

by Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, in anticipation of victory over the new Jewish microstate in 1948 by the 5 invading Arab armies.

Aut Postius :

You mention 2 things I agree with completely
1)There is no problem with judging religiously
2)The concept of owning land is a hoax .

But the first thing deals with persecution , it deals with relevancy between what one believes and what is problematic for others to prosecute them . Im sure you understand how stupid it is to persecute a Jew to make him Christian or whatever for instance , its totally different than judging him this or that because of what he choose to believes (for instance a fool) .

I dont think such foolishness is enough motivation for persecution dont you say ?

As for the second thing , Im sure you understand its not really about "owning" land , but more about chasing a peoples out of the land they peacefully live on . In Israel's perspective it indeed is about land , in the Palestinian perspective its about being chased around because peoples want that what you live on , and everything else evolved from thios over the past 55 years .

As for Spookz , on Anwar Shaikh : Doesnt it remind you of the mestizo ? The only thing is that they did get an identity .
Also saying racially Arabic is quite stupid when he speaks of making kids with the natives . I say the entire concept of race dissapears rather than that it becomes Arabian .......
I say the identity is rather created through Religion and Culture

On Azzam Pasha , that wasnt quite a good quote for your point wouldnt you say ? Although I dont agree with anything of the Arab League , the deal was that those who were about to be massacred were 700.000 hostile armed and dangerous Zionists , its like the Maya's would have written on how they would slaughter the Spanish colonists , whats the problem with that , or are you turning peacenik on me ?

Most interesting thing is the "massacre" didnt quite turn out that why , who massacred who ? And that was just the beginning of it .

Perhaps you can do the same on Euro Imperialism in , Africa , Asia and America for the last 2000 years

And on the Khazars ,a point I wanted to make most was how you showed the protection of Europe for the Arabs , but Byzantium could take care of itself quite well , the thing was the Khazars actually more protected the Arabs from the hostile Rus Pagans that was to invade Arabia , and this wouldnt be good for Khazar business .

[i]First of all lets not behave like the Arabs were the war-hungry empire, they were shit compared to the Turks for one, and secondly the fased Byzantium who were quite the warriors, as well as the Khazars who were the first warrior Jews (Zionists would be the second). All 3 of them would have been quite capable of infideling each other into murder, dont you say ?
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Abdulla: As we see the Zionist Jews of today murdering and maiming, displacing and ravishing unarmed Palestinian civilians, one must admit that the gene pool has certainly dwindled among the modern day Tartar-like "warrior Jews," huh SPOOKSY?

The destruction of Czarist Russia by the Jews is well documented in the history books and their eventual thrust into Poland, Hungry and on to Spain where they were uncermoniously evicted certainly speaks for itself......

As for your "Warrior Zionists" comment; tell me SPOOKSY, who respects these bloody cut throat trespassers and interlopers in today's world--certainly not the decent Torah Jews of the world.

AbdullaTheBomber......

2)National Socialism is based on racism within one nation

Not necessarily. One can have a nationalistic country such as Japan and not seek to destroy other ethnicities, all the while actively preserving one's own concept of patriotism.. be that with our without race "purity".
The only diffrence between socialism and national socialism is that the latter focuses on a more homogenous field of application rather than a hybrid one.
What do I mean?
The first one promotes socialistic rules for everyone. The latter promotes socialistic rules only to citizens.
Now if a national socialist country decides to abuse other races, that is based on their own false judgement and not the doctrine of national socialism.

Prisme

Abdi Schmabdi

The destruction of Czarist Russia by the Jews is well documented in the history


Do you speak of the Russian Revolution ? Thank God Lenin and Trotsky removed those scumbags , yes that was Illuminati live in action , that doesnt mean they would change filthy Czarist Russia . Oh I forgot , you're Zhiri ......


and their eventual thrust into Poland


Praise Lodz and Warzaw GHETTO-Jews


Hungry and on to Spain where they were uncermoniously evicted certainly speaks for itself......


LMAO you actually are bringing this up , , btw it wasnt ON to Spain since they were in evicted from Spain before the Polish Ghetto's even existed , it was in 1478 , Khazaria just fell in 1200-1300 ......
Oh , and into ARABIA they were welcomed .......

He Abdi , how dare you use the words of Allah at your defence when you dont praise Allah for his superior knowledge and wisdom over his servant ?
:D


certainly not the decent Torah Jews of the world.


Oh you do care for the decency of a peoples ?
Yet you identify with the German Nazi's , the Czarist Russian , the Polakke , the Inquisition and who-ever had a problem with the jews up till Moses even ?

I would be very happy if you would answer me instead of repressing reality Abdi ..........

Prisme

Not necessarily. One can have a nationalistic country such as Japan and not seek to destroy other ethnicities, all the while actively preserving one's own concept of patriotism.. be that with our without race "purity".


Ok , that is so , the same difference can be seen in the economical systems of capitalism(internal) and state-capitalism(external) .


Now if a national socialist country decides to abuse other races, that is based on their own false judgement and not the doctrine of national socialism.


Why ? As with capitalism a defintion can be covering bith aspects , an aspect toward its own totality of citicenz in opposition to non-nationals , but why cant it be internal as a majority(not that majority is necesarry of course) that claims nationality and denies others nationality . I think Nazi-Germany was National-Socialistic because of this , the Nationality was formed around the race , not the race around the nationality (although as you put it it is quite possible as well like Japan indeed ,in a larger picture we could see certain national-socialistic tendencies of USA as well , wouldnt you say ? Perhaps State-Capitalism as an economical philosophy and National-Socialism as a political philosophy go quite well together ).

On Azzam Pasha , that wasnt quite a good quote for your point wouldnt you say ? Although I dont agree with anything of the Arab League , the deal was that those who were about to be massacred were 700.000 hostile armed and dangerous Zionists , its like the Maya's would have written on how they would slaughter the Spanish colonists , whats the problem with that , or are you turning peacenik on me ?

yah not quite what i was aiming for

:)

Why exactly is the concept of owning land a hoax?

Marquis

Why exactly is the concept of owning land a hoax?


I dont think anybody can own a piece of this planet , its simply an arrangement between peoples who both dont own it put dont receive opposition while behaving as if they do own it .

I could consider a question on owning certain products , maybe something self-made etc , but land is out of the question , its nobody's ......... dont you think so ?