According to http://www.woai.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=422B960A-26BA-4891-9E60-21C8818788D4 a marine claims that Saddam's actual capture was much different than the one we all saw.

I'm at a loss - I can certainly understand why the Americans would rather not have it known that Saddam was taken after "fierce resistance", that being ignominiously pulled from a hidey hole serves the propaganda war more effectively. It's just that I can't imagine how the military could have kept it quiet for so long. There must have been dozens of witnesses...

Any takers?

I'll refer you back to American history for a possible answer. About 200 years ago there was a river pirate on the Mississippi, at a hideout called Hole in the Rock. His name was Captain Samuel Mason, and his motto was 'show no mercy, leave no witnesses.' I daresay he's not the only person who's thought along those lines, when a possible witness (or plural) becomes a potential inconvenience. Guns and knives are really handy things, literally, if you want to silence someone.

We'll see what happens. Possible. But on the other hand, I'm suprised that we haven't heard more musings of fabricated stories.

It's just that I can't imagine how the military could have kept it quiet for so long.
Actullay it wasnt the first time there was some questioning of official events . When Saddam was first captured on the 22nd of December 2003 there was an immediate challenging then of the official story .
US Saddam claims being challenged

Claims that US troops captured Saddam Hussein have been challenged by reports that he was discovered only after Kurdish forces had taken him prisoner.

The deposed president was drugged and abandoned ready for the American soldiers to recover him, a British tabloid newspaper reported yesterday.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/21/1071941609659.html

How the military kept this quiet is simple the corporate media in America is self censoring and know when to carry the official line . The US media was compliant during the WMD charade , in fact using an American term I believe the US media are spin doctors .

this "fake Saddam" story is nothing but a psy-ops stunt. there's nothing to it.

http://theneocon.blogspot.com/2005/03/ex-marine-alleges-saddam-story-was.html


First of all, there were no major Marine units in Iraq at the time that Saddam was captured. The last Marines to leave Iraq left at the end of September '03 (I was in the last Marine convoy to leave Iraq, trust me on this one). Marines did not re-enter Iraq en masse until January of '04.

Second, I tried searching the Marine Locator on Marine Online, this guy has no account (something that's been required for a few years now).

Third, I tried searching the Marine Corps Uniform Board tool for looking up who has been approved for a Combat Action Ribbon (something he would have received had he, you know, ever been shot at or shot at someone), his name does not show up (tool located here: https://lnweb1.manpower.usmc.mil/manpower/mm/mmma/AwardsVerification.nsf/search).

Fourth, I looked up who was killed around that time here: http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx and couldn't find either anyone of Sudanese descent, nor any Marines (goes back to my first point) killed around that time.

This guy is making it up.

Well if a story such as this is going to be hidden from the public, dontcha think all records would be eliminated as well? Not to say I believe the story or not, but hey, if someone wants to cover something up, they will do everything that's required, so obviously that person wouldn't find any records, if true.

- N

there's too many Marines to tell the story if there ever was a story.
but there wasn't one. it's only your wishful thinking, Neildo and the rest :)

in other Saddam rumors, I heard that Saddam spat at one of the American troops who caught him. The American promptly punched him.

Any takers? I think I would have been cool . . .

wasn't it the Iraqi translator who punched Saddam in the mouth after Saddam said something to him?

The age of misinformation..... :rolleyes:

Like the "I knew the guy who faked the Saddam capture" wouldnt be making the rounds around all the military bases.

Next topic: News flash- Moon is Fake, Neocon plot to control nighttime illumination

You know what would have made a good reality show? Saddam Hunt!

Crimson I disagree... 300 episodes of nothing happening would be boring.

I think one source making a claim in a Saudi Arabian newspaper does not overule every other witness who makes the opposite story. I think more evidence to the contrary would be required to make any other judgement than what we know of Saddam capture.

To be honest Odin'Izm, I kinda think of the rest of reality tv the same way.

thats why I dont watch it :p

After reviewing the available internet natter on this subject, one thing becomes clear. Assuming for the moment that the U.S. did fabricate the capture, as long as you can keep the lie floating for, oh, a month or so, then no one gives a shit if it is exposed as a lie... the fabrication serves its purpose and no one can pay attention long enough to demand the truth.

The capture wasn't fabricated, that's clear to everyone but your kind (the kind of people who write books about 9/11 never happening and etc), no one who matters believed it for a second. Thats why it has been "forgotten".
Admittedly if anything ever did actually happen in regard to conspiracies and cover ups and you weirdos uncovered it, we wouldn't believe you.
And you'd be getting exactly what you deserve.
It's clear which sect of society never had "the boy who cried wolf" read to them as children.

Nothing is immediately clear, although the comforting illusion of clarity is so often reinforced by major commercial media for the assurance of their most avid consumers, who so often put down those not running with the herd. But anyone who pays attention has witnessed the exposure of deliberate misinformation throughout our governments and media, and the Bush administration has an especially atrocious veracity record concerning most events in Iraq. Specifically regarding arrests and detentions, there has been blatant manipulation of facts by Washington. The US mainstream, and the media selling to it, crave comforting simplifications of reality. This does not mean that truth is never found, but that it takes increasing concern and patience to ever learn much about what has really transpired.

There is obviously a lot the public does not know about Saddam's capture. No detailed timeline and narrative has ever been offered and corroborated as to how the discovery and arrest were made. Under the present circumstances with Saddam's power base irretrievably destroyed, the most likely reason for a lack of details is that the official line is another embarrassing fabrication, and a public attention deficit disorder allows questions to be conveniently left unasked and unanswered.

It is reasonable to assume that US leadership wished at the time to deny Saddam any possible "glory" in the eyes of his remaining followers, and to brand his arrest both an American triumph and a humiliation for Saddam’s personality cult. Given a fortuitously quiet handover by an Iraqi faction (the Peshmerga (http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=4516) according to various anecdotal information) US leadership had the opportunity and motivation to shape the perception of events without a large number of individuals involved who are accountable to the record. I find it very hard to believe that Saddam Hussein, after his lifetime running a dangerous mafia, placed all his trust in one human lifeline, and meekly went into a hidey hole to await the all clear, only to be betrayed by his protector. Betrayed he was, but I can’t accept that is was such a simple story.

After the dust settles and we transition from occupation and its media controls, I expect something closer to the truth will slowly emerge, that will better jibe with what we otherwise know about the egocentric personality and modus operandi of Saddam; that will square with what we know about the highly inadequate state of US intelligence in Iraq at the time; and that may even be linked with the ascendency of Kurdish operatives who may have delivered the tyrant (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0109-03.htm) to the power broker- for a price. Time will tell, at least for those of us who last and pay attention long enough. If you are paying attention now, you can google up some rising Kurdish stars like Talabani and Rassul.

The capture wasn't fabricated, that's clear to everyone but your kind (the kind of people who write books about 9/11 never happening and etc), no one who matters believed it for a second. Thats why it has been "forgotten".
Admittedly if anything ever did actually happen in regard to conspiracies and cover ups and you weirdos uncovered it, we wouldn't believe you.
And you'd be getting exactly what you deserve.
It's clear which sect of society never had "the boy who cried wolf" read to them as children.
This is one of the most stupid posts I ever read in four years of sciforums.... :eek: