Could be deemed the best way to handle personal enemies and shit-starters if proper judgement of equalization in punishment or lesson is established. This however tends to require that one take the time to consider the weight of the offense and gather evidence that can be measured in terms of harshness, as opposed to resorting only to subjective information.

Every countries laws should be fixed, a judge should not have the power
to give a certain time period in prison, once found guilty then every person convicted of that type of crime should have the same sentence.

Ie, premeditated murder = life, no chance of release.

Manslaughter = 10yrs

Whatever prejudged term is decided to fit the crime.

Never start something, always finish it.

"if we all believed an eye for an eye was right, we would all be blind."

or something like that he said, (ghandi). but i think it depends if somebody does something to you then it might be just to inflict some personal karma on there ass.

then again forgiveness is a step forward,


peace.

Never start something, always finish it.

i actualy kind of live by that when i come to think of it,

peace.

Never start something, always finish it.

I dont think i will live long enough to finish my TOE theory.:p

Forgiveness, leniency or punishment that does not fit the crime is not the answer.

Forgiveness though sounding lofty etc only feeds perpetrators tendency to take unfair advantage repeating the cycle, harsh punishment that does not fit the crime also is counterproductive. Punishment should fit the crime.

but an eye for an eye is doing what they did to you back to them, and thats not always right, but equal and fair punishment is a good way to go,

using eye for an eye as it should be is not always right, if somebody shoots your kid it doesent mean you should shoot theres, you should shoot them instead, wich is more like eye for an ear,

peace.

Never start something, always finish it.

yeah, looking at your family picture, none of your kids look like you... :bugeye:

but an eye for an eye is doing what they did to you back to them, and thats not always right, but equal and fair punishment is a good way to go,

using eye for an eye as it should be is not always right, if somebody shoots your kid it doesent mean you should shoot theres, you should shoot them instead, wich is more like eye for an ear,

peace.

No you should shoot the kid if you want to be fair.

Never start something, always finish it.

I think that's the same thing that the Hatfields and the McCoys thought.

It's also exactly what the militant Muslims think ...vigilantiism.

What's interesting about "an eye for an eye" is ....where and when does it stop? And who decides when to stop? If someone does something to you, and you return the "favor", what's to stop him from coming back on you using the same "eye for an eye" concept? See? It's virtually neverending.

I like the way the Saudis do it ...catch a guy stealing once, they cut off his hand. Catch him again, they cut off his other hand. If he steals again, they cut off his head.

Baron Max

I think that's the same thing that the Hatfields and the McCoys thought.

It's also exactly what the militant Muslims think ...vigilantiism.

What's interesting about "an eye for an eye" is ....where and when does it stop? And who decides when to stop? If someone does something to you, and you return the "favor", what's to stop him from coming back on you using the same "eye for an eye" concept? See? It's virtually neverending.

I like the way the Saudis do it ...catch a guy stealing once, they cut off his hand. Catch him again, they cut off his other hand. If he steals again, they cut off his head.

Baron Max

The eye for an eye law was intended to stop proliferation, it is the authorities
way to say to you, you do some thing bad and WE will do the same to you.

The eye for an eye law was intended to stop proliferation, it is the authorities way to say to you, you do some thing bad and WE will do the same to you.

That's not what the "authorities" say. There is a prescribed punishment for various acts of wrongdoing in each and every different modern society. I know of no "authority" which says "An eye for an eye", do you?

Baron Max

Do you honestly think killing an innocent kid solves anything. Most of us have done stupid things as a kid and turned out ok. If we punished people too harshly then we would deny people the ability to change. That is what I believe prisons purpose is to prevent additional crimes and turn the criminal back into a productive citizen.

Do you honestly think killing an innocent kid solves anything. Most of us have done stupid things as a kid and turned out ok. If we punished people too harshly then we would deny people the ability to change. That is what I believe prisons purpose is to prevent additional crimes and turn the criminal back into a productive citizen.


prisoners are most likely to re-offend than reform into model citizens, when you go to jail you meet up with many criminals and share much experience in the life of crime, you come out worse than when you went in, with alot more criminal contacts also,


the best way to reform somebody is to introduce them into an enviroment where people are all model citizens, because people naturaly adapt to the enviroment and surroundings at hand, the worst thing to do is shove them into an over crownded dingy prison with hundreds of other criminals,


(im not saying society can do what i just said though)


peace.

If we punished people too harshly then we would deny people the ability to change.

Why? And how?

That is what I believe prisons purpose is to prevent additional crimes and turn the criminal back into a productive citizen.

No, that's just liberal, doo-gooder bullshit! Prisons are for punishment for wrong-doing, nothing more.

Baron Max

...the best way to reform somebody is to introduce them into an enviroment where people are all model citizens, ...

So we put murderers and rapists and pedophiles into peaceful, trusting societies/cities .....to reform them? ...or to punish the peaceful, trusting citizens?

Baron Max

So we put murderers and rapists and pedophiles into peaceful, trusting societies/cities .....to reform them? ...or to punish the peaceful, trusting citizens?

Baron Max

you obviously did not take into consideration the last sentence in that post you just quoted from.


peace.

Every countries laws should be fixed, a judge should not have the power
to give a certain time period in prison, once found guilty then every person convicted of that type of crime should have the same sentence.


Then you must admit that every man is exactly the same and that every murder (or other crime) is done with exactly the same intent for exactly the same reasons.

you obviously did not take into consideration the last sentence in that post you just quoted from.

Huh? So you post a stupid, idiotic solution to crime, then in one sentence, you negate all that you said previously??? ....LOL!!!!

That's why I didn't take it seriously .....no one on Earth would do such a thing! ....LOL!

Baron Max

the best way to reform somebody is to introduce them into an enviroment where people are all model citizens, because people naturaly adapt to the enviroment and surroundings at hand, the worst thing to do is shove them into an over crownded dingy prison with hundreds of other criminals,


There is no best way to do it. There are better ways, yes, but we will never know unless we try them. If you put a psychotic serial killer into a suburban neighborhood, chances are that he will keep on killing. But perhaps this is more because of the flaws in that society, rather than the flaws in the person, though I would say that some people are by nature more susceptible to irrationality than others.

A better way to deal with the serial killer would be to look for what creates a serial killer and change that. Many people try to attack the symptoms, which only aggravates the problem. Instead, the root of the problem must be found and studied.

I also agree that sending criminals into an overcrowded prison is one of the worst things to do with them. This only breeds more hate, and then we let most of them out afterwards, naively thinking they have changed. Perhaps they have, but more often than not for the worse. Positive rehabilitation, death, or exile seem to be better solutions.

There is no best way to do it. There are better ways, yes, but we will never know unless we try them. If you put a psychotic serial killer into a suburban neighborhood, chances are that he will keep on killing. But perhaps this is more because of the flaws in that society, rather than the flaws in the person, though I would say that some people are by nature more susceptible to irrationality than others.

A better way to deal with the serial killer would be to look for what creates a serial killer and change that. Many people try to attack the symptoms, which only aggravates the problem. Instead, the root of the problem must be found and studied.

I also agree that sending criminals into an overcrowded prison is one of the worst things to do with them. This only breeds more hate, and then we let most of them out afterwards, naively thinking they have changed. Perhaps they have, but more often than not for the worse. Positive rehabilitation, death, or exile seem to be better solutions.

thats true, maybe we should look towards the animal kingdom and see what makes other animals reform, experiment on chimps that behave badly.

peace.

I think that's the same thing that the Hatfields and the McCoys thought.

It's also exactly what the militant Muslims think ...vigilantiism.

What's interesting about "an eye for an eye" is ....where and when does it stop? And who decides when to stop? If someone does something to you, and you return the "favor", what's to stop him from coming back on you using the same "eye for an eye" concept? See? It's virtually neverending.

I like the way the Saudis do it ...catch a guy stealing once, they cut off his hand. Catch him again, they cut off his other hand. If he steals again, they cut off his head.

Baron Max

Works for me, I think it's the delivery of the line that garners so much peace for me. When someone is getting in my face about something(and I mean serious stuff - dog pooping on my lawn can just slide), I say this:

"I never start something, but I always finish it."

If they are vandals the next line is:

"You are fucking with my property, I will in turn fuck with yours. If you do not value your property, I will keep fucking with something of yours until it starts to hurt."

If it looks to be going to get violent:

"You might win and beat me up, then if I can I will prosecute you to the maximum ability of the law. IF I feel that is insufficent, THEN you have earned an enemy for life, my life and yours. OR I might win and kick you around till snot flows from your asshole and be completely justified as self -defense."

Sometimes(rarely) the reply is:

"Well...what If i kill you?" - my reply "Then you gotta deal with my woman and she scares the shit outta me."

I have not been in a serious (angry)fight since highschool and my development of this dialog.

You just have to be clear with people. Luckily I have never just been "ambushed" and have always been able to perform the dialog.

Huh? So you post a stupid, idiotic solution to crime, then in one sentence, you negate all that you said previously??? ....LOL!!!!

That's why I didn't take it seriously .....no one on Earth would do such a thing! ....LOL!

Baron Max

i was not focusing on the solution part of my post it was a mere statement, i was focusing on the problem side of it, to find a solution one must identify and realise the problem.

peace.

A better way to deal with the serial killer would be to look for what creates a serial killer and change that. Many people try to attack the symptoms, which only aggravates the problem. Instead, the root of the problem must be found and studied.

So you'd suggest changing the entire society, all of the peaceful, law-abiding citizens, just because of the vicious acts of a few individuals?

Why does that seem like such a stupid, idiotic idea? Oh, wait, that's what all liberal, lilly-livered, doo-gooders say, ain't it.

Baron Max

So you'd suggest changing the entire society, all of the peaceful, law-abiding citizens, just because of the vicious acts of a few individuals?

Why does that seem like such a stupid, idiotic idea? Oh, wait, that's what all liberal, lilly-livered, doo-gooders say, ain't it.

Baron Max

Hey, man, I hate the "liberal, lilly-livered, doo-gooders" just as much as you do. But aren't you the one who's always complaining about how fucked up society (and the world in general) is these days? Where's the Baron Max I know who's lost all hope for the integrity of the common man? If its as you used to say it, then the society of "peaceful, law-abiding citizens" is merely a society of ignorantly blissful sheep who do harm without knowing it.

Hey, man, I hate the "liberal, lilly-livered, doo-gooders" just as much as you do.

Then why are you spouting those liberal, lilly-livered, doo-gooder" ideals? I.e., "it's no the fault of the criminals and murderers, it's the fault of society." ...and... "Don't punish the criminals, let's find the root of the problem." ...and other such useless, nonsensical statements?

Where's the Baron Max I know who's lost all hope for the integrity of the common man?

Lost all hope? Ha! I never had any hope for humans since I was old enough to look around. Humans are the most vicious, mean-spirited animals on Earth ....and more than that, they're actually getting worse as the population increases.

Baron Max

Then why are you spouting those liberal, lilly-livered, doo-gooder" ideals? I.e., "it's no the fault of the criminals and murderers, it's the fault of society." ...and... "Don't punish the criminals, let's find the root of the problem." ...and other such useless, nonsensical statements?



Lost all hope? Ha! I never had any hope for humans since I was old enough to look around. Humans are the most vicious, mean-spirited animals on Earth ....and more than that, they're actually getting worse as the population increases.

Baron Max


so whats your solution then mighty baron maximus? if searching for the root of the problem is not going to work for anything, how do you suggest we fix society as a whole and criminals? or is it fine the way it is?

if you think we cant be helped then what use is it to complain? just sit back and enjoy the ride. if you cant change something then fuck it,

peace.

so whats your solution then mighty baron maximus? if searching for the root of the problem is not going to work for anything, how do you suggest we fix society as a whole and criminals? or is it fine the way it is?

Just leave the law and the courts and the jails alone, and quit all the liberal, doo-gooder bullshit that keeps putting vicious criminals and habitual criminals back out on the fuckin' streets!! Liberals keep doing that, then when the crime rate keeps going up, they blame the government!!

Baron Max

man raped a woman or child what way can u balence that out with punshment?

man raped a woman or child what way can u balence that out with punshment?

Huh? Balance that out??? What the fuck does that mean?

If a man rapes a woman or a child, he should be shot three times in forehead with a 105mm howitzer. ...then he'd never, ever do that to another woman or child again ...ever!

Baron Max

I LIKE how this man thinks!

I LIKE how this man thinks!

Well, if more people thought like that, and we were to actually do it, then how many men do you think would have the guts to rape a woman or a child and take that chance???

And if we kept doing that same punishment, perhaps we'd get rid of people who a.) were natural-born rapists, and/or b.) scare other men into being nice little boys to women and kids.

But we don't, do we? Nope ....we fine them, or jail them for a few years, then let 'em right back out to rape other women and children. Real nice of us, huh?

Baron Max

yea i think that it should be a death penalty we took it away here in the u.k and i want to stop these men

but arghh"