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Norsefire
08-19-07, 08:48 PM
Ok I dont know much about computers so:

What is a chipset?
What is an integrated chipset? (good or bad?)

What is PCI, PCIe and AGP?

andbna
08-19-07, 10:37 PM
Alright, sound's like your talking about graphics card chipsets (a chipset can be any collection of integrated circuits so it's not much detail:p )

PCI, PCIe and AGP are types of slots you put video cards in to connect them to your computer. AGP is older, and slower, PCIe is newer and faster, and PCI is an older version of PCIe. A video card only fits 1 slot type, you will have to find out which slot your computer has and buy an appropriate card for it.
If you are wondering about the speed of these card slots; basicaly it's how fast the video card can exchange information with the rest of the computer.

Now, an integrated chipset (or onboard graphics) means the graphics card is built into the motherboard of the computer. This is always slower than a non-integrated card (ie one that plugs into a PCI, PCIe, or AGP socket)
Now if your computer comes with an onboard card, and you have the option of getting an actual video card, you should consider what you want your computer to do.
In most cases, I would recommend getting an inexpensive video card at the very least, however if your just using the computer for browsing the internet and chacking e-mail, or other simple tasks (simple in terms of computing power) the onboard one should suffice. But remember, the onbaord card will use up your RAM (the RAM is shared between the card, and the rest of the cmoputer); usualy a computer advertises x amount of RAM and an integrated chipset with y amount of memory. This y amount of memory is taken away from your x amount of RAM, so keep that in mind.

-Andrew

leopold99
08-20-07, 12:05 AM
Ok I dont know much about computers so:

What is a chipset?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipset
in the above link check out under computers.
usually a chipset is designated by the last 3 numbers such as intel 810, this is taken to mean the 82810 chipset.
What is an integrated chipset? (good or bad?)
andrew explained this quite well

What is PCI, PCIe and AGP?
PCI is actually an address space AND a bus structure.
http://h30097.www3.hp.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/HTML/AA-Q7RQC-TE_html/pcibus3.html
AGP is an accelerated graphics port.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port

Norsefire
08-20-07, 06:18 PM
Ok my card is integrated so it is impossible to upgrade? I mean, if I do upgrade it could I shut out the original card and therefore cause a lot less load on the processer and RAM?

Stryder
08-20-07, 07:20 PM
Most computers that come with on board Graphics and Sound cards should have the ability to disable them in the BIOS should you decided to add your own card. It can be possible to have both installed (namely work together), however I wouldn't advise it as it can complicate matters.

leopold99
08-20-07, 07:41 PM
Ok my card is integrated so it is impossible to upgrade?
not at all. the only way it would be impossible is if you didn't have any slots available.
stryder mentioned the BIOS. you can also uninstall the device in device manager, you can also disable it. after doing one of the above (BIOS or device manager) power down the machine and insert the card. powerup the machine. after a lenght of time an install wizard will pop up asking for the drivers disc. insert the disc in the CD drive then press enter. after the drivers are installed you might need to reboot.
CAUTION:* computers are highly sensitive electronics. you can ruin a computer simply by touching the insides of it. ALWAYS ground yourself to the unpainted parts of the case before removing it. touch the blades of your screwdrivers to the case before using them. ANYTHING you use inside your computer MUST be grounded before you use it. when you insert the card handle it by the peice of metal used to secure it to the case. avoid touching the board if you can, and then handle it by the corners. also, if the card comes in a plastic bag then do not remove it until you are ready to insall it. keep the bag to use later.
I mean, if I do upgrade it could I shut out the original card . . .
yes. as a matter of fact it's recommended.

* the term most commonly used is ESD.
you can find out more here:
http://www.computerhope.com/esd.htm

Norsefire
08-20-07, 08:35 PM
And it would relieve the load on my processer?

cosmictraveler
08-20-07, 08:38 PM
Add more ram to help reduce the load on the processor. You must make crertain that your motherboard can handle the amount of ram you install.

Norsefire
08-20-07, 09:05 PM
Yes I will buy 1GB RAM

andbna
08-20-07, 09:46 PM
RAM will not reduce CPU usage.

When you buy a graphics card however, you will free up some CPU power, since the GPU can do all the graphics processing rather than the CPU. The difference is especialy noticable when running graphics intensive applications (if you play DVD's on your computer for instance, or video games) Normal windows applications generaly do not require much rendering power, nor computing power.

RAM will increase the speed of your computer only in the case where you are running several applications and the OS is constantly accessing the swap file.
Buying more RAM means the OS can keep more in the memory, and doesnt have to fetch it from the HDD (which is extremely slow by comparison.)
This additional RAM will mean the CPU gets the instructions it needs to excecute more quikly, and thus won't be idling, waiting for the HDD. So ironicly, your CPU will be doing more work :p

-Andrew

leopold99
08-20-07, 09:56 PM
RAM will increase the speed of your computer only in the case where you are running several applications and the OS is constantly accessing the swap file.

the swap file resides on the hard disc not in RAM.

leopold99
08-20-07, 10:02 PM
And it would relieve the load on my processer?
your best bet here would be to eliminate some, maybe even most of the programs you have running in the background.

you need to see what programs are starting when windows starts and eliminate all of the ones you don't need.

i have (does quick check), 5 programs that start when windows does. after taking another look i might eliminate one more. i really do not need a video adjuster icon on my task bar.

andbna
08-20-07, 10:06 PM
the swap file resides on the hard disc not in RAM.
Yes, that's the point. If you have more RAM, you don't have to put more stuff in the swap file. Since the HDD is much slower than RAM, this means a speed increase.
If you have a low amount of RAM, and you run a bunch of applications (and use them simultaniously) the OS will have to keep loading and unloading them from the swap file and the RAM.

-Andrew

leopold99
08-20-07, 10:22 PM
Yes, that's the point. If you have more RAM, you don't have to put more stuff in the swap file. Since the HDD is much slower than RAM, this means a speed increase.

okay. but in any case i would still check out what programs are starting when windows starts and deleting as many as i could.
this brings up another point.
his HDD could be almost full.

andbna
08-20-07, 10:39 PM
okay. but in any case i would still check out what programs are starting when windows starts and deleting as many as i could.
this brings up another point.
his HDD could be almost full.
Oh of course, but I wasnt trying to help make his computer run better, just explaining what stuff does. :)

-Andrew

Norsefire
08-20-07, 11:33 PM
okay. but in any case i would still check out what programs are starting when windows starts and deleting as many as i could.
this brings up another point.
his HDD could be almost full.

No I have plenty of space on my HDD

Ok thanks for the help, I dont know whether I have PCI PCIe or AGP, but I'll have to buy a new video card and then relieve load on my CPU and i"m set:)

river-wind
08-22-07, 09:42 AM
If you lookup the machine's model number online, you should be able to determine what slots it comes with pretty quickly. There *should* be at least two PCI slots, and - if the machine is newer than ten years old - one AGP or PCI-X or PCIexpress slot.

these are what the different slots look like, compared to each other:
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/cooldrives/sata-pci-express-pci-card.jpg.

leopold99
08-22-07, 10:56 AM
it should be pointed out that th PCI slot and the AGP slot are nearly identical.
the difference is that the AGP slot sits further back on the motherboard.
example:
if you are looking inside your machine at the slots with the back of the machine to the left, the AGP port will be the slot that sits furthest to the right. remember that it looks like a PCI slot.
if all slots are equidistant from the back of the machine then you do not have an AGP port.