At this moment, evidence regarding Iraq's weapons programmes is on the way to Europe. The plan is in Cyprus just now.

Will the plane be destroyed by some odd accident? Will the papers mysteriously be lost? Will they be called forgeries?

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5641017%255E2,00.html

because it does not matter at all what it says in all those documents.

There will be another excuse to attack.




"At this point, there WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF PROVOCATION, to make the case for military action and CONVINCE THE DOUBTERS." -- Arizona Senator John Kyl (R), just now on Fox News.

Ok, if the plane lands safely indeed
then let us guess what the excuse will be?

But first we have to consider if israel is interested in fighting a war with iraq, cause as you showed us jandt, nobody moves in washington before AMDOCS gives the greenlight:p

Must at least be something of Reichstag proportions, directed at american interests, while simultaniously showing vidoes that proves that Bin Laden hides in Bagdad and that we are just killing two birds with one stone:D

Somebody mentioned SMALLPOX becoming the next blockbuster in bestselling psyterrordrama, maybe this will be their excuse...

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!


http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5656316%255E2,00.html

For those too lazy to read... The USA took the original statement by Iraq, and will not let anyone else see it. Instead, they are producing their own "copies" to distribute...

Am I a fuggin prophet or what??? I've been in this crap, worked in it. It's all lies. I knew this would happen.

Originally posted by Adam
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!


http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5656316%255E2,00.html

For those too lazy to read... The USA took the original statement by Iraq, and will not let anyone else see it. Instead, they are producing their own "copies" to distribute...

lol. What is wrong with the world today? What are they thinking? lol It is cracking me up. Is it still a war of survival? or anti terrorism war? :D

The USA took the original statement by Iraq, and will not let anyone else see it.

Why the hell would Iraq give us the "original" and not have any copies for itself. Ya know, just in case of something sneeky the US will definitely do?:rolleyes:

Why the hell would Iraq give us the "original"

It didn't. They gave it to the UN. The USA took it.


and not have any copies for itself. Ya know, just in case of something sneeky the US will definitely do?
I have no doubt the data still resides in Iraq. And I hope Iraq has it collated in another volume which they can pass to the UN General Assembly. I also hope Iraq can publish all data on the web.

It didn't. They gave it to the UN. The USA took it.

Thats not my point. If the WHOLE world is accusing you of making weapons and this document is clearly going to prove that they're not:rolleyes: - Why would you give away the original? Why wouldn't you post it on the internet or the news to prove your innocence?

If the WHOLE world is accusing you of making weapons...

Is that what the news tells you over there? The whole world is accusing Iraq of developing nukes? That is quite wrong. The UN inspectors have declared several times that they have absolutely no evidence of Iraq possessing at this time any illegal chem, bio, or nuclear weapons. The UN inspectors have declared several times that they have absolutely no evidence of Iraq undertaking nuclear weapons development. My own country's Prime Minister has openly asked the USA to provide evidence of its claims. http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14010

Tell me, if the ONA (http://www.ona.gov.au/) is unable to find anything to tell our PM to support the USA's claims that Iraq has nukes, why are you so sure they have any? Because CNN says so? Because Bush says so?


Why would you give away the original? Why wouldn't you post it on the internet or the news to prove your innocence? [/B]
I hope they prepared more than one copy. I hope they can pass another directly to the UN General Assembly, unedited. And I hope they can turn all that paper into a website before the US invades.

why are you so sure they have any?

Because I have seen what Saddam is capable of. I have seen him go in and try to take over a country. I have seen what he has done to his citizens.

Thats why I believe they do. I could be wrong though, maybe CNN is painting a grim picture of this otherwise "gentle, caring" man named Saddam:D

Because I have seen what Saddam is capable of. I have seen him go in and try to take over a country. I have seen what he has done to his citizens.

Opening note: Just stating facts here. I have seen the USA:
- go in and try to invade other countries,
- use nukes on civilians,
- use chem/bio weapons on its own people.

You must be careful when judging a nation on past performance.


Thats why I believe they do. I could be wrong though, maybe CNN is painting a grim picture of this otherwise "gentle, caring" man named Saddam:D
I know Saddam is a complete bastard. I have an associate who lived under Saddam's rule. I have a lecturer who was in Iran during the war. I have a Kuwaiti associate who was in Kuwait when Iraq invaded. But does any of it mean that, today, Iraq has nukes?

Opening note: Just stating facts here. I have seen the USA:
- go in and try to invade other countries,
- use nukes on civilians,
- use chem/bio weapons on its own people.

Im talking about the last 10 years. Its been 60 years since we used a nuke.
Regarding the bio/chem weapon thing. What exactly are you talking about? I remember you brought this up before but I seriously cant remember what is was about. Could you remind me, pretty please, with a cherry on top:)

Im talking about the last 10 years. Its been 60 years since we used a nuke.

And it's been ten years since Iraq went into Kuwait. What length of time is the cut-off line for judging a nation on its past performance? I recall a Reuters report on TV from 1998; in the first 4 weeks of US bombing in Kosovo, over 1,400 civilians were killed.


Regarding the bio/chem weapon thing. What exactly are you talking about?

William Blum (http://www.zmag.org/ForeignPol/aboutblum.htm) released a book a while ago detailing the USA's tests of bio and chem weapons against its own people. The US government recently admitted to this as well, and there is a thread about the news somewhere in here.

And it's been ten years since Iraq went into Kuwait.

No they didnt just "go in" to Kawait. They proclaimed annexation on Kuwait. HUGE DIFFERENCE. I bring this up because we have the biggest military force in the world, when was the last time the US has ever proclaimed annexation on another country in the last 100 years? The point is we can do it and we dont and he did it and you think its okay because it was only 10 years ago? What about the "environmental war" that Iraq waged? The oil fields he blew up and the millions of oil being dumped into the Gulf.

Does everyone in the world forget so soon what this maniac is capable of? Yet we need written proof!

I'd be curious to see if they've said a thing about this. I guess I'll find out tomorrow morning.

Anyhoo, Adam do you think it's possible to get 12,000 pages of information online? Does anyone have an estimation as to how many mb/gb that would take up?

Jandt makes an excellent point. It makes absolutely no difference. That paper could be A+ peacemaker material, but there is absolutely nothing short of the UN openly threatening the US with World War to stop us from invading Iraq. I knew the second I started seeing Iraq on TV rather than Osama bin Laden that the US was prepping its citizens for yet another invasion, regardless of forseeable logic behind such a macabre operation.

But the fact that they took the papers is amazing. If that fact alone doesn't convince you of the emerging-obvious-imperialism, then I don't know what will. Political blindfolds have been tightened...

when was the last time the US has ever proclaimed annexation on another country in the last 100 years?

I believe we annexed Hawaii in the fifties. I'm not positive, but I don't think it was to the majority's liking either.

... when was the last time the US has ever proclaimed annexation on another country in the last 100 years? The point is we can do it and we dont ...

Japan, attempted in Vietnam, the Panama Canal...


and he did it and you think its okay because it was only 10 years ago?

I absolutely do not think it was ok for Iraq to invade Kuwait. I never said that.

Anyhoo, Adam do you think it's possible to get 12,000 pages of information online? Does anyone have an estimation as to how many mb/gb that would take up?

I know. But it's the only way the general public will ever know the truth of that report. If Iraq wants to head off an American invasion, they should get a thousand people typing up a bit each as soon as possible.


Jandt makes an excellent point. It makes absolutely no difference. That paper could be A+ peacemaker material, but there is absolutely nothing short of the UN openly threatening the US with World War to stop us from invading Iraq.

Actually I agree. The USA government has no concept of being part of the international community. Tell me, what more can you say about that particular matter?

Uhhh... we built the canal. Never heard of trying to take over Vietnam.

And we own Japan?:bugeye:

Learn something new everyday:D

I'm starting to think that we're simply too powerful to be stopped by anyone, and that at least someone up top has figured this out. There isn't a single man alive in power who can openly protest the United States (peacefully) without being threatened, labelled a terrorist, sneered at by colleagues, to name just a few reactions. Our president and his underlings are far too powerful. Since the early days after 9/11 I heard rumors circulating on CNN for chrissakes that, even though the entire congress supported any action that our president deemed acceptable, there was still an underground of politicians who were too terrified to go against the crowd. The very idea behind democracy--that is, speaking out against the government, is discouraged (at least subtley) not only on a governmental level but in normal society as well. You won't see a poster in the hallways of my school that criticizes our government up for more than a few days. History is repeating itself.

We're heading into another Vietnam, but this time, this time the head honchos of the mass media (I saw in a Chomsky video that 95% of all newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, etc were owned by no more than 50 companies) are going to do things differently. They're more experienced, and some are on 24/7. They're going to do nothing but support whatever our government does and make it look like the entire population supports them as well, and in doing so make this fact possibly true. So many innocents are about to die, and for nothing but the neverending conquest of power under the guise of security.

The formula never seems to stop tricking everyone. Today, I decided that the US people are unfit to rule themselves, and that, preferrably someone with their *better* interests at heart should sieze control of the nation and begin disarming our military. The money should be spent on political awareness programs, preferrably taught as early as possible.

Fuck. I don't know what to do.

Uhhh... we built the canal. Never heard of trying to take over Vietnam.

The US invaded Panama in 1989, killed heaps of people, established military bases...


And we own Japan?:bugeye:

Japan was ruled by the Allied forces under General MacArthur after WW2.

Uhhh... we built the canal. Never heard of trying to take over Vietnam.

We signed an agreement with the Panamanians that the canal and the area around the canal would remain US property until 1999. I'm pretty sure that we gave it back, too, but when the deadline approached not too many people were sure that we WOULD give it back.

And we own Japan?

We control their military. That's left their culture to subconsciously begin to attempt another world takeover, only this time it'll be through cultural domination. Although they have a government, they might as well be another state because of their lack of ability to protect themselves should we decide to annex their country.