... all of us are liars - are we not?

Cheers

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Anyone surprised? I know im not.

I never read his thread anyways.

by Jocariah:
I have nothing whatsoever to prove, or disprove (for that matter I imagine).
also:

You're all (those interested in this sort of thing) too easily deceived, if you ask me.
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Quite an arrogant statement there bub, considering you never
made a claim. Did your thesis turn out like you thought it would?
Easy to fool the UFO nutters, huh? I'll wager in your thesis, you
had the whole sciforum community fooled. In reality, you were
pathetic.

I have been working on my thesis, and I am now finished.

I dont think you actually "fooled" anyone Joc. However, to me, you did seem sincere in your belief, despite the obvious shortcomings in your answers to my questions.

This caused me to entertain the possibility that you were perhaps mentally ill. So I tried to ask you questions which would unravel you without causing you too much damage. Schizopherenia is not a joke.

Since we were the "subjects" of your "experiment" please post your "thesis" for us to read, as I do not believe it exists.

I think it is more likely that you realised you were becoming unravelled and are looking for a way out to save face.

Thesis! :p

Having just quickly reviewed all 11 pages of your thread, not once does a single post by anyone infer that they truly believed you!

Some posters tried to humour you, some tried to make the mental patient feel good about himself, some corrected your grammer, some mocked you and most just ignored you completely! NO-ONE took your supposed "bait". So I would be VERY interested to see which words, representing an acheivement of your goals, you actually filled your "thesis" with!

...Or was I reading the wrong thread? :p

i think he is trying to say that he does not believe in what he writes.
not that he lies.
a quick perusal of his sayings will show that they are mostly truisms

an obvious idiot who imagines himself in some hole

Am I lying when I say that 'Everything I've said is a lie' - what shall you choose to believe?

Is that answer tied to your belief system - to the way in which you choose to see the world? Returning to it often times, to reinforce preconceptions, which are long held.

“See I told you so!” “He’s a fake – a liar” “I knew it all along”

:)

Now, there is evidence to support both points of view.

On one hand my statement that I have lied, with logic to support the apparent reason behind such a lie - on the other hand, hundreds of posts over the past year or so, outlining my thoughts, ideas and concepts in great detail, on matters that were of interest to me.

Whether I have been a liar all along, or I am what I have said I am, it is left for the reader, and the reader alone to determine.

Believe whatsoever you choose.

Now both doubters and believers have sufficient evidence to draw dissimilar conclusions, each with the ability to support those conclusions based on the circumstances at hand.

And isn't that how all of life is as well - evidence, present and accessible, for all kinds of conclusions, based entirely on one's 'predisposition', no doubt.

Cheers

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wow, finally you got of sniffing crack, congraduations, now go smoke some weed, its good for u

Cool. Can we see your thesis? A lot of students put them on the web for comment or review.... Not that you have to.

Joc, we both know there is no thesis, dont try to set yourself up as some kind of enigma... You tried that already, remember?

Perhaps you should increase your medication for a while...
:)

Originally posted by ScRaMbLe
Joc, we both know there is no thesis, dont try to set yourself up as some kind of enigma... You tried that already, remember?

Perhaps you should increase your medication for a while...
:)

....................

The point in all of this is that everyone gets to make his or her own determination based on the evidence at hand.

Am I who I say I am?
Am I a liar?
Am I crazy?

Choose whatever you will – there is no enigma here, rather a choice to be made.

My point, if I were to have one, is that your choice will be made via (or by way of) your ‘predisposition’ to this subject, or your observation of my participation in it, and that you will pull (or key into) those facts (and only those facts) necessary to assemble a conclusion based upon your predisposition in this matter.

So that, by way of your perspective (predisposition) of a matter, your natural inclination is to assemble only those facts, only that information, necessary to help you to adhere to conclusions you were already predisposed to make (based on your underlying belief system - or view of the world).

You see, by so doing, you are simply going about to reinforce your underlying belief system, your underlying view of the world - your underlying 'perspective', whatever that may be.

Can you see what I am saying? Think about this.

You think that you are starting with a clean slate each time, but you are not - you are already biased toward conclusions based on your perspective.

You think you have a choice in the matter, but you don't - your perspective, your predisposition, determines what information, what facts you will use to assemble your conclusions.

You are continually, and at all times, limited by your perspective - so that whether or not you are even aware that you have one (i.e., a perspective), is moot.

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No one starts with a level playing field.

Whatever we encounter is immediately biased, or slanted, toward our 'existing worldview'.

No one goes about to assemble information that forces them toward conclusions contrary to their existing worldview.

But the reverse is the case. We continually assemble information, so as to draw us toward conclusions, reinforcing our worldview.

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this is bullshit
move this thread/close it
it has no point

this bum is gonna take this up to another 1000 posts all by his wacky ass self.

Originally posted by spookz
this is bullshit
move this thread/close it
it has no point

this bum is gonna take this up to another 1000 posts all by his wacky ass self.

It is apparent that you do not hear what it is that I am saying, and your frustration is apparent to me as well. No one is (at least to my knowledge) forcing you to read or make your thoughts known here. That being the case, why participate, as you have done by way of your comments, in this thread, if it causes you such frustration?

Simply by ignoring it, you may cause yourself less frustration.

You see, it's OK not to understand what I am driving at - my intent has never been to change any one's worldview or perspective on anything whatsoever.

We should all believe whatsoever we choose. And you have made your choice known, quite succinctly, by way of your remarks here - good for you.

But let me ask you something in closing, should all threads that you don't understand or with which you don't agree be banished? And in so saying, is it that you mean to say that you understand all that there is to understand in the world? Or put yet another way, if you don't understand it, it doesn't exist - if you don't agree with it, it doesn't belong being heard.

It is no wonder that you do not understand my words; you don't understand your own.

Cheers.

hEY jOCARIA.:)
Interesting to say the least, in a very individualistic way.
I thought you wrote all of those posts to learn for yourself.
I admit that I didn't finish any single post of yours because it was all just your typical "identity crisis" type of mysticism that is abundant today.
I was just being polite, or at least trying to be in regards to any of your posts.

I am curious though, who do you think was decieved by your writings, what exactly were you trying to write about, and what was it that you think they were decieved about?:confused:

Honestly I don't think that your writings have had the effect on anyone here as much as you would like to believe or have built up in your own mind.

Beleive me there has been more than its fair share of self appoited ramblers on here.
And compared to some of them yours was less than captivating.
Sorry if this is not what you want to hear.

Good luck on your thesis. Hope you can get something useful out of it.

It is apparent that you do not hear what it is that I am saying, and your frustration is apparent to me as well.

you lie

No one is (at least to my knowledge) forcing you to read or make your thoughts known here.

you lie again

Simply by ignoring it, you may cause yourself less frustration.

mistruth

You see, it's OK not to understand what I am driving at - my intent has never been to change any one's worldview or perspective on anything whatsoever.

lying ass

We should all believe whatsoever we choose. And you have made your choice known, quite succinctly, by way of your remarks here - good for you.

liar

Or put yet another way, if you don't understand it, it doesn't exist - if you don't agree with it, it doesn't belong being heard.

lying liar

It is no wonder that you do not understand my words; you don't understand your own.

more lies

Cheers.

lies all lies

Good point Spookz.

And yet again my point is made manifest - we all take what it is that we need, from that which we encounter, for there is one thing that we all share; the need to assemble things in accordance with our worldview, so as to reinforce it, continually, as we go along.

This has simply been my journal; rather than using a notebook, as I have done nearly all my life, I posted here and elsewhere. The bonus for me has been to see. Seeing is all there is; seeing by way of our mind, that is.

I am appreciative to have been here, and to see what I have seen. I think it may be that my writing is over - at least at this point in time.

Most abductees fear their keepers, those gray beings that all abductees have - whether they are consciously aware of their presence in their life in another matter altogether.

My point is that my keepers I know, I don't fear them - you on the other hand scare me at times. How might I explain this?

It's the darkness of your ignorance - it seems to know no bounds. And even when confronted with enlightenment, you are set, bound and determined you are, to wipe it out, to kill it off if you could only, by whatever means possible. It is by way of fear that you do this, and you don't recognize this fear that you operate out of, nor your actions, which come by way of this fear – you do it automatically, without awareness.

But then, all of this is not my concern - this is the nature of man. And I grateful as I am, that I am this half-breed, genetic mix.

It is the ignorance of man that is at times so unsettling to me. But I am not alone, for many half-breeds exist.

We abductees, populating your world.

So fear on my friends, for that is your nature, after all.

Or better yet, deny that any of us exist; that aliens exist.

Just think that we are simply crazy, and your own worldview may remain intact – at least for the time being, that is.

Cheers

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another thesis in the making i see

spookz - :p

Hey knob JOCkey - read what you are writing. You cant make any kind of valid point by telling people their opinion then opposing it. It doesn't work like that.

It is no wonder that you do not understand my words; you don't understand your own.

Who doesn't understand? Why are you saying we don't understand when you cant make up your mind if you're writing a thesis or being ASSimilated??!!

If you truly are as confused inside as you appear to be, get some help. Please. If not, then f**k off. Please.

Everything I've said has been a Lie!

Congratulations. You're a liar. Your prize is in the mail.

what is your thesis about then?

this sounds more in line with philosophy to me
and most philosophy is psudoscience
so i gues it is in the correct topic area

Jocariah
why did you choose your name ... Jocariah...?

it is very biblical
nothing wrong with it just wondering if you choose it or it is your real name

why do you not state your thesis ?
assuming it might be a relativism thesis on perceptive reality interaction
based on the nurture nature debate

do you think you could have slanted your hypothesis by your predisposition to assume people would take one of two sides

i would like to assume you are aquanted with ethics
in regard to scientific research

how scientific are you being?

Me thinks Joc needs to get a lil life:rolleyes:




:eek:

If ya'll don't care that he was lying why do you keep posting in this topic?

just occured to me as i checked out the thread by Jocariah
called
Enlightenment: The Knowledge of Self
is actualy maybe a copy and paste effort from a religouse text
is that true Jocariah
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

Originally posted by Votorx
If ya'll don't care that he was lying why do you keep posting in this topic?

who says I don't care...I love all my children.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
who says I don't care...I love all my children.

So are we supposed to call you dada now?:p ... lmao



:eek:

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
this sounds more in line with philosophy to me
and most philosophy is psudoscience
so i gues it is in the correct topic area

Jocariah
why did you choose your name ... Jocariah...?

it is very biblical
nothing wrong with it just wondering if you choose it or it is your real name

why do you not state your thesis ?
assuming it might be a relativism thesis on perceptive reality interaction
based on the nurture nature debate

do you think you could have slanted your hypothesis by your predisposition to assume people would take one of two sides

i would like to assume you are aquanted with ethics
in regard to scientific research

how scientific are you being?


Hello ripleofdeath,

The name was given to me; I did not choose it for myself. However, I did choose to use it as my name here - my name is Joseph.

I do not have a thesis, I lied.

You should not assume I am ethical – I may not be ethical.

Lastly, I am not being scientific at all.

If you wish to have a dialogue with me, keep in mind that I am a liar, and may or may not be ethical.

Cheers

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Originally posted by ripleofdeath
just occured to me as i checked out the thread by Jocariah
called
Enlightenment: The Knowledge of Self
is actualy maybe a copy and paste effort from a religouse text
is that true Jocariah
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

What you are insinuating, is that I have knowingly plagiarized.

You should always seek to substantiate accusations prior to making them. Remember, what is said, can not be unsaid.

Therefore – show me your proof my good man; or recant.

Cheers

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Originally posted by Votorx
If ya'll don't care that he was lying why do you keep posting in this topic?

Exactly right.

There are many liars here - my lies have been revealed, whereas others lie by way of their actions, being in conflict with their words.

Cheers

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Originally posted by Bells
Me thinks Joc needs to get a lil life:rolleyes:




:eek:

Hello Bells,

If indeed this is all for naught - why comment?


Cheers.

The subconscious mind is at the core of all that I write, and all that I have written – as well as all of my actions and inactions here.

If you find yourself reading this (and the number of hits belie any comments to the contrary), then you are reading this for a reason.

And that reason is?

Having a dialogue with me is easy; just keep in mind that I know you better than you know yourself. Which isn’t saying much, really, because you don’t know yourself, at all.

If you think that statement arrogant or condescending, that is one possibility, but another is that it is a correct one.

Tell me your take on the subconscious mind, and I in turn will tell you mine. And if you have no understanding of your own subconscious mind, then how in the world is that possible?

After all, it is your own subconscious mind, and yet you are ignorant of its place, purpose, function or operation in ‘your’ life.

Step One: realize your ignorance of your self.

Step Two: ask yourself why in the world are you so ignorant of who you are (the make-up of who you are, all facets of self).

Step Three: (well, this step is your call)

,

Animals appear in many varieties – there is an abundance of animals on this planet. Why is that, why might that be – what purpose might they serve?

Things do not appear without purpose.

There is no wasted effort here.

Why do they appear to be less than us in many ways?

What is it that they are here to observe?

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Your ignorance is so profuse, that you are in fact ignorant of your own ignorance. Were it not for the fact that there are so many of you, in your same position, it might be of concern to you - thankfully, mutual abundance of condition, breeds contentment. You are lost and adrift in your own ignorance, and I, adrift with you it seems, howbeit knowing as I do both worlds – which of course is of no consolation to me whatsoever....Nor you apparently.


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I do not have a thesis, I lied.
:eek:

Originally posted by Jocariah
Hello Bells,

If indeed this is all for naught - why comment?


Cheers.

Because I can:)


Cheers


:eek:

Originally posted by Jocariah
Animals appear in many varieties – there is an abundance of animals on this planet. Why is that, why might that be – what purpose might they serve?


The serve no purpose. They occupy a niche

Jocariah
so far you have said nothing that seperates you from a self absorbed religouse radical
that seeks to disturb other people with no empathy
yet you claim to know higher levels of self understanding
this means you have gone past a point of caring for others
you are obviousely content to be selfish and therefor no better than any other that you seek to victimise be condersending comments and inference

i know of the religouse doctrine you are preaching from but have no desire to go into its books and theorys to extract the parts you are quoting in a cut and paste manner

you seem very much like the type that insights chaos to find self content in distracting attention away from your own issues

maybe your thesis is your path to self enlightenment which may take several life times
(in accordance with your own religouse preaching)









why are you posting such religouse things in pseudoscience
it should be in the religion forum
people who do such things to attempt to drag down forums is very old and trol like behaviour
read the rules of the site

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
Jocariah, so far you have said nothing that seperates you from a self absorbed religouse radical ....... i know of the religouse doctrine you are preaching from but have no desire to go into its books and theorys to extract the parts you are quoting in a cut and paste manner ....... (etc.)

My good man, have enough intestinal fortitude and backbone to do your homework and present us with these books and theories you say I am plagiarizing.

Foundationless claims do nothing but impede and destroy your own credibility.

Make that extra effort necessary to show me up for the fraud that you say I am, so that all your brethren, right here - right now, may revel in you formidable prose, having exposed me as a fake and charlatan.

Come on now, we know you can do it.

Cheers

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Prove me a plagiarist? I dare you to try!

The problem is you can't - no one can, because my words are original; they are my words alone, and have always been so.

Your small-mindedness cannot grasp the fact that you are, and have always been speaking to an original.

Right here in this odd little thread, lost amongst countless other threads, buried here, relatively out of sight.

Your mind is incapable of grasping original thought.

But I have known that all along.

And now you do as well.

Cheers.

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Jocariah ... dude!

i did not mean to imply that you were plagerising
i was meaning in relation to the type of religouse beliefe that you have posted about

i think just as a vague memory it is maybe slightly hindu/haricrishna based
i might be wrong
but you speak of the devine self and different selfs eminating from it and congruent alternate realities and and self embodyments all that is underscored by such a religouse
doctrine in combination with the associative theory of reincarnation and the progresional tree concept of the devine self life force

i have read enough to know the concept is already in existance with many off shoots

i am curiouse why you would not make some mention of them
however if you expand your reading a little you may find pre-established theorys relating to a combination of the type of phillosophys you are residing from with your posting

how this relates to the U.F.O and or abduction phenomena seems somewhat shakey on its pre-conception that there is relative ideoligy.. when once you investigate some of the massive amounts of claims you will find that reports of such U.F.O and abduction phenomina cross all religouse bounderies and do not collectively suggest they transform to any one single religouse or non religouse doctrine

i have done extensive reading on these topics
and find it rather odd that you seek to place a relativistic interpretation on the bassis of reality when it is clearly defined to be varied and non collective in its interpretive data within this particular feild of data (U.F.O & abduction) cross matched with religouse beliefes

where do you place your groups to interpret such data to cast specific ideoligy within this frame?

Oh dear, dear, Jocariah..........

Do you really think that you deceived anyone?

Prove it.......

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23899&highlight=Jocariah

Who did you deceive there? Surely not MrMynomics......



-Guyute

Having a dialogue with me is easy; just keep in mind that I know you better than you know yourself. Which isn’t saying much, really, because you don’t know yourself, at all.

I hate to say it Jock, but you can't say you're original when you say stuff like this. If I had a nickel...

Here's some new material for you:

<a href="http://www.hhhh.org/maia/liestxt.html">Lies Abusers Tell</a>

I believe "I know you better than you know yourself" is #41 on that list... maybe you should think about what you're trying to say here.

What makes you want to reach out and hurt people? Let it all out.

Originally posted by BigBlueHead
I hate to say it Jock, but you can't say you're original when you say stuff like this. If I had a nickel...

Here's some new material for you:

<a href="http://www.hhhh.org/maia/liestxt.html">Lies Abusers Tell</a>

I believe "I know you better than you know yourself" is #41 on that list... maybe you should think about what you're trying to say here.

What makes you want to reach out and hurt people? Let it all out.

Blatantly spouting condescension appears to elicit greater responses here than not doing so, apparently more so in fact than any past sincerity on my part. I shall keep this in mind, should that ever become a goal of mine.

Cheers

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Condescension is a fine art; your personal type is coarse and offensive, and also (as I previously said) highly unoriginal to the point of being cliché.

Also you yourself have called the value of your sincerity into question... so what are we left with? The quality of your prose, which is sorely lacking. Certainly your claims of originality are proving to be a lie, which I guess goes along with what you've been telling us...

Originally posted by BigBlueHead
Condescension is a fine art; your personal type is coarse and offensive, and also (as I previously said) highly unoriginal to the point of being cliché.

Also you yourself have called the value of your sincerity into question... so what are we left with? The quality of your prose, which is sorely lacking. Certainly your claims of originality are proving to be a lie, which I guess goes along with what you've been telling us...

So what is your point my good man - I have already confessed to being a liar? Tell me something original, ideas and such, so that I may see your perspective, and share your vision of the world.

Time is wasting.

Cheers

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My point, since you ask, is that by undermining the benefit of the doubt you have removed the only redeeming quality that you had: the appearance of honesty.

Since your maunderings were pretty dreary - what I read of them, for I assumed that your "spiritual journey" would have progressed farther in your later posts - the only allure of any kind that they had was that they might represent a true, if flawed and thoughtless, intellectual pursuit.

What you have told everyone by calling your honesty into doubt is that, not only are you a dreary little person with no interesting thoughts that you wish to share, but that you have deliberately wasted their time along with your own by misrepresenting your intent. It is as if you had given away free tickets to a show that doesn't exist.

Your subsequent protestations of originality mean about as much to me as the unpleasant free verse poetry of bitter high school students who wonder why God does not like them. Certainly, protesting your own originality, accusing all others of being incapable of said, and then claiming that you somehow know all about them from the few encouraging words that they have typed, is an unfair way to characterize other people.

In conclusion, you suck.

BigBlueHead,

Your point, although negative in nature, was well taken and clearly understood.

Thanks for taking time to comment.

Cheers

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
Jocariah ... dude!

i did not mean to imply that you were plagerising
i was meaning in relation to the type of religouse beliefe that you have posted about

i think just as a vague memory it is maybe slightly hindu/haricrishna based
i might be wrong
but you speak of the devine self and different selfs eminating from it and congruent alternate realities and and self embodyments all that is underscored by such a religouse
doctrine in combination with the associative theory of reincarnation and the progresional tree concept of the devine self life force

i have read enough to know the concept is already in existance with many off shoots

i am curiouse why you would not make some mention of them
however if you expand your reading a little you may find pre-established theorys relating to a combination of the type of phillosophys you are residing from with your posting

how this relates to the U.F.O and or abduction phenomena seems somewhat shakey on its pre-conception that there is relative ideoligy.. when once you investigate some of the massive amounts of claims you will find that reports of such U.F.O and abduction phenomina cross all religouse bounderies and do not collectively suggest they transform to any one single religouse or non religouse doctrine

i have done extensive reading on these topics
and find it rather odd that you seek to place a relativistic interpretation on the bassis of reality when it is clearly defined to be varied and non collective in its interpretive data within this particular feild of data (U.F.O & abduction) cross matched with religouse beliefes

where do you place your groups to interpret such data to cast specific ideoligy within this frame?

Jesus Christ, your spelling is way too desstracting, dude!

I am a hybrid (i.e., genetically altered) human, extensively programmed by what some would call aliens - now what was your question again?

How many of us have you known, recognized or spoken with? None?

That being the case, take a deep breath, focus, and ask away.

Cheers


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Jocariah
Quote
Jesus Christ, your spelling is way too desstracting, dude!
I am a hybrid (i.e., genetically altered) human, extensively programmed by what some would call aliens - now what was your question again?
How many of us have you known, recognized or spoken with? None?
That being the case, take a deep breath, focus, and ask away.
Cheers
---

so you wish me to ask myself a question?
what shall i do next?

ask you a question?
ok
so how do i know if you are lying about my spelling ?

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
Jocariah
Quote
Jesus Christ, your spelling is way too desstracting, dude!
I am a hybrid (i.e., genetically altered) human, extensively programmed by what some would call aliens - now what was your question again?
How many of us have you known, recognized or spoken with? None?
That being the case, take a deep breath, focus, and ask away.
Cheers
---

so you wish me to ask myself a question?
what shall i do next?

ask you a question?
ok
so how do i know if you are lying about my spelling ?


My good man, all people lie, it's simply a matter of degrees. Observing actions over time, helps to paint a picture of intent. Understand a person's intent, chances are you'll understand the person.

As an example, look at all of my posts over time, and you'll see my intent - observe only my recent posts, and you'll be misled.

Take in the broad overview and you'll always have more information than a more recent, shorter time-period, experience.

If you, or anyone for that matter, are too lazy to take the time, or make the effort to observe over a longer period of time, then you do not have all of the information necessary.

It's always about information - isn't it?

Cheers.

Sorry, Jocariah, it is about the CREDIBILITY of the evidence. That
is where opinions are formed and controversies arise, both in
pseudoscience and science. Perceived credibility is subjective.

Originally posted by 2inquisitive
Sorry, Jocariah, it is about the CREDIBILITY of the evidence. That
is where opinions are formed and controversies arise, both in
pseudoscience and science. Perceived credibility is subjective.

Nothing to be sorry about, you're right - it's all subjective.

Cheers

Jocariah
well considering for a moment what you have mentioned
maybe you could give some type of basic concept in regard to how you think your perspective and thus understanding would differ from another person who might follow a similar manner of interactive belief ?

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
Jocariah
well considering for a moment what you have mentioned
maybe you could give some type of basic concept in regard to how you think your perspective and thus understanding would differ from another person who might follow a similar manner of interactive belief ?

Interactive belief? Sorry, but I'm not familiar with that concept - but then I am ignorant of many things, and knowledgeable only of a few.

I might be able to understand your question if you could explain what is meant by your usage of the term 'interactive belief'.

In your explanation, please don't assume I know things that you know - even the simplest of things that you understand may be foreign to me, especially as it pertains to philosophy and the ideas of others.

Cheers

Over time, as we become acquainted with the sheer magnitude of the unknown and the underlying complexity of our existence here, we tend to discount it. We have grown accustomed to it, simply because of our on-going familiarity with it.

But it may be, at least in this writer’s opinion, that we need reminded of it, now and again, so as to rekindle our wonderment of this environment with which we co-exist; this sanctuary of ours, this jewel, sailing amongst the stars.


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It is through the impractical that we are able to gauge ourselves relative to the universe – the practical is far too overwhelming.

I often think that because I know of what I speak, that others should as well.

And I suppose, although I am not certain, that I may not be alone in this internal naiveté of mine.

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There are followers and there are leaders; but who is it that directs the leaders for the followers to follow? Who sets their internal clocks, knowing full well that there will be those that follow?

Leaders follow an internal script, so that even they themselves are followers as well.

After taking the time to reread my latter posts, I have become keenly aware of my brilliance – my only hope is that others of you may also be enlightened enough to see this for yourselves, and thereby share in it.

:D

NO PREDICTIONS HERE!

Imagine ‘your’ surprise - if this really came to be, you’d have to face the fact that I was a channeling, smart-ass’d, condescending, alien-breed, prophesying poster.

How fun is that? :D

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War in two weeks. Well, since you know it is going to happen, I
assume you would also know who the parties involved are. I assume
this information comes from your "grey" programmers, not the human
half of your hybrid self. If the "greys" know war is comming, they
must be the ones planning the attack. Are you stating the earth
will be attacked by your "grey" keepers within two weeks, Jocariah?
If that happens, you might gain a little credibility. :rolleyes:

War on earth? Never happen :p

Why do you think we haven't heard from the mars probe yet? The Martians launched a first strike and destroyed it so we wouldn't see their war fleets amassing.

The Martians are coming...

The Martians are coming...

NO PREDICTIONS HERE!

To reiterate, I said: "Within two weeks, a war will pop-up."

Yes Joc we understand, but how is this war different to the other 50 or so wars currently going on across the planet at any given time? Or do your skills of prophesy only allow you to see into the future, not the present?

...and please, by all means, condescend away...

Jocriah, I did not say war would START in two weeks based on your
"prophesy." I simply said "war in two weeks." Unless the war both
begins and ends within two weeks, then the parties involved will be
in a war in two weeks, based on your prophesy. Are you now saying
the "war" will be very short, like a 48 hour "war" or something? Come
on, give us specifics in your "prophesy." From whom do you recieve
this "information"? Do they travel to the future and back at will, observing happenings on earth? The alien attack sanerio was just
a satire, indicated by the "rolled eyes" smilie. Anyone can make
predictions, they mean nothing unless they are very detailed AND
come to pass. Again and again. Not to be condescending.

Originally posted by ScRaMbLe
Yes Joc we understand, but how is this war different to the other 50 or so wars currently going on across the planet at any given time? Or do your skills of prophesy only allow you to see into the future, not the present?

Patience dear children, patience.


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NO PREDICTIONS HERE!

Hell
Every friday
Bigger fire

(T.G.I.F.)

My prophecy is that, if there is indeed a war within two weeks, that someone will be killed.

BTW.. Joc... Is there something you're not telling us? Do you live in California? Bought any petrol cans and lighters lately? :eek:

NO PREDICTIONS HERE!

so there you have it - 3 prophesies.

you can count, can't you?

Phrophecy #4

Jocariah
In Bed
2 Men

NO PREDICTIONS HERE!

In a way, to me this is funny - you think the future is yet to come, and I'm here to say it has already taken place.

So, as these events unfold into your 'now', you will become amazed, when in actually, all things are in existence, and that entails even the future.

The options, as pertaining to my prophesies, are as follows:

All three come to pass
None come to pass
Two of three come to pass
One of three comes to pass

But then, you don't know the future, do you?

Of course the future is already set. But do you seriously believe that you are a fortune teller? Or are you one of those freaky remote viewing people who believe in the matrix and other crap like that? I personally believe that only 1 prophecy will come true. And that is the war. That can be solved with simple politics and following things such as the newspaper and the news. There is no psychic powers behind that. As for the rest of your "prophecies", i say bullshit.

Originally posted by Votorx
Of course the future is already set. But do you seriously believe that you are a fortune teller? Or are you one of those freaky remote viewing people who believe in the matrix and other crap like that? I personally believe that only 1 prophecy will come true. And that is the war. That can be solved with simple politics and following things such as the newspaper and the news. There is no psychic powers behind that. As for the rest of your "prophecies", i say bullshit.

I don't believe nor disbelieve anything, pertaining to my predictions – I never have.

I don’t have a vested interest in seeing that they come to pass. After all, they are only predictions.

However, I have been predicting things all of my life - it's part of who I am. I don’t seek it out, but rather, it seeks me out through dreams, visions and the like.

When you grow up with it, as have I, it’s just a normal part of life.

You see, you have no way of knowing the predictions that I have made that have come to pass.

Two that come to mind are 9/11 and the capture of Saddam 12/13/03.

Cheers

NO PREDICTIONS HERE!

Prophecies do not come true.

People interpret them to come true.

They see what they want to see.

Bible Code. After the fact reasoning.

And prophecies that have any similarity to actual events usually are from a giant pot of them. millions of random guesses thrown together, mere chance brings them out.

People remember the positive, forget the wrongs... remember John Edward, the psychic. Millions of misses, a few hits. People only remember the hits. They want to believe. This is folly.

NO PREDICTIONS HERE!

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Predictions serve a much greater purpose than that of merely foretelling events to come. Predictions establish the teller in the minds of the hearers. Predictions usher in a point in history, a point that, once the predictions given comes to pass, gets cemented into the minds of the hearer They announce to those hearing the predictions that the teller is connected to the greater plan, connected in a way that is indefinable – a way that cannot be known.

No, they are not merely the foretelling of events, that is the least of their purpose – predictions encapsulate a particular point in time.

And predictions cannot be grasped by the mind, once the thing predicted has come to pass. The mind cannot wrap itself around the concept, afterwards.

Predictions are simply another tool utilized by the ‘orchestrators’ of events that continually unfold for us.

Now what else might I say in this matter?

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.. are we not all liars - in some form or another?

Cheers

Glad to know your not the stupid filth baby i thought you were.

Originally posted by Jocariah
Everything I've said has been a Lie!

Cheers


About time i was waiting for you to say that. I wonder how many people actually believed that you were making real prophecies? It's actually quite funny how so many people are so very gullible, thank you for this Jocariah it was a good laugh.

Originally posted by Votorx
About time i was waiting for you to say that. I wonder how many people actually believed that you were making real prophecies? It's actually quite funny how so many people are so very gullible, thank you for this Jocariah it was a good laugh.


Along those lines, I had an interesting experience before the holidays. I occasionally write short articles in the business section of our local paper. I wrote an article outlining the concept of calculating the IRR, or Internal Rate of Return of an investment. As written, my article was 450 words. Evidently, the paper was running short on space that weekend and someone at the paper decided to edit my article down to 300 or so words (and change the title).

Well, the resulting article made no sense whatsoever, I was mortified after reading it that Sunday morning - I don't even think I ate all day as a result. But to my surprise, instead of having to explain what happened, I was complemented several times the next day on having written such a great article.

“If it appears in print, it must be true – even if I don’t understand it.”

Cheers

BTW - please don't forget the prophecies, or their corresponding timetables; they are real prophecies.

Cheers

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Originally posted by Jocariah
BTW - please don't forget the prophecies, or their corresponding timetables; they are real prophecies.

Cheers

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Im sure they are.