Something that really gets on my nerves is how yanks and others try to go on about how racist the south supposedly is, or all kinds of other things about blacks. The ironic thing is that most of those same people have never been in contact with non-whites.

On another forum that I post on some canadian tard went on about how the usa needs a black president because that will piss off the southernors. I really don't see too many blacks in Canada, yet this canadain wants to talk about how the usa needs to elect one to office?

Most of these people haven't been called cracker honkey whitey or something similar before, nor have they been treated rudely because of their skin color. Then again most of them live in places where it was illegal for blacks to simply exist for many years.

I take it you are the sort of person who is more comfortable with a real dead black person? You don't think your post might just be the tiniest bit offensive to coloured persons? No, I guess you didn't........think. That's fine. In a few years whites will be the minority in the US. Neat, huh?

I met some blacks before, they seem nice. I have also met some racist blacks that had some fucked up ideas about Jews (I'm jewish). I've been called names by some, and had dinner with others, what difference does it make? It's still true that there are a disproportionate number of white racists in the south, a legacy of slavery and the civil war.

people are people, regardless of race, gender, social status, creed, or how they smell.

clive barker said it best:
we are all books of blood. wherever you open us up, we are red.

People should be able to live and work with other people that they like. No one should be forced, by law or by social rules, to like or to live in an nieghborhood with or to work with someone they don't like or want.

Voluntary segragation, like Mayor Nagin seems to advocate for New Orleans, is the only way this world is going to survive without major, violent, racial and/or cultural conflicts. (The only other way is forced interbreeding ...make all people look and act exactly the same!)

Baron Max

Kind of funny how idiots try to call the south racist when the north made it illegal for blacks to exist.

Then again we all know that the proudest moment in yankee history was the 1863 draft riots where they lynched a few blacks. Then created their racist military units since they claimed that blacks were inferior and not worthy of working along side whites.

Same yanks that supported the 1860 republican platform of creating a pure white socoety in the west and also supported the deportation of all blacks to either Panama Haiti or Liberia.

Just hillarious how many yanks have never seen a black person in their life, yet constantly want to talk about them.

Bmax, you're advocating forced segregation, which is just as bad as what you claim to be against.
Desegregation is necessarry, because it forces people to live together and get to learn more about each other, instead of hating and fearing each other.

Bellsprout, you're a racist, fuck off. If you don't like black people, then go live in the woods in an outhouse somewhere, I'm sure no one will miss you.

I can talk about things I haven't seen. I can talk about Mars or the atom. Where are you from?

Yeah I'm racist because I'm sick of people who have never seen a black person in their life tell me about them.

If I didn't like black people, then I'd go live in yankeeland like all the true racists.

I don't understand how you have to know a black person to stand up for civil rights.

i wasnt born in the 1800's, so i cant speak for those folks' views.
but i have to say that you characterizing folks because of where they live is not only childish and infantile, but incredibly stupid as well, angrybellsprout.
btw, why do you name yourself after a pokemon? its cuz you are so mature, im sure.

If yanks cared about black people then they'd allow them to move into yankeeland instead of being the racist trash that they are.

Sorry that I live in a diverse area with lots of koreans japanese blacks and hispanics and that I'm not a good ol white only yankee.

Blacks can move anywhere in the US they want.

Bmax, you're advocating forced segregation,...

Where did I ever say or imply that? In fact, I specifically said VOLUNTARY SEGRAGATION ...that's where like-minded people can live together with other like-minded people. Most cultures and races do that now, Hap, or ain't you familiar with the real world yet?

Baron Max

Kind of funny since all american media wants to talk about is how evil and racist the south was.

They don't want to talk about how yanks made it illegal for blacks to exist.

They don't want to talk about the lynchings that took place in the north.

They don't want to talk about the 1860 republican platform to deport all the blacks.

They don't want to talk about slavery in the north.

They don't want to talk about blacks who owned slaves in the south.

They don't want to talk about integrated military units in the confederate army.

They don't want to talk about blacks who volunteered for the confederate army compared to the blacks who were drafted into the yankee army.

They don't want to talk about the race riots that broke out in the north over blacks in the military.

They just want to attack the south and toss around trash like this.

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

If yanks cared about black people then they'd allow them to move into yankeeland instead of being the racist trash that they are.

It seems to me that the most racism is actually in the north, even while the damned Yankees spout off their idealisms about racial integration! Last I heard, Detroit was the "racial hatred" city of the nation ...'course that might change like the wind, for all I know.

But ye're right, it's easy for yankees to spout idealisms while they allow the blacks to live in the squalor and poverty and crime of the ghettos of THEIR OWN cites. But that's idealism for you ...say one thing, but live another!

Baron Max

Sorry that I live in a diverse area with lots of koreans japanese blacks and hispanics and that I'm not a good ol white only yankee.
you seem to have a problem. the problem is you never been to the u.s. of a.

Blacks can move anywhere in the US they want.

No they can't! And neither can anyone else ...what kind of bullshit idealism are you spouting now?? It takes lots and lots of money to move to some places in the US, and damned few blacks have that kind of money. Please don't just spout off such nonsensical, idealistic bullshit ...it just shows that you haven't given the topic any thought at all.

Baron Max

the problem is you never been to the u.s. of a.

Whatever gave you that idea? Where did that comment arise? And more importantly, what the hell difference does it make to the topic?

Baron Max

No they can't! And neither can anyone else ...what kind of bullshit idealism are you spouting now?? It takes lots and lots of money to move to some places in the US, and damned few blacks have that kind of money. Please don't just spout off such nonsensical, idealistic bullshit ...it just shows that you haven't given the topic any thought at all.

Baron Max
well gee baron i guess me moving to area 51 anytime soon is out eh?

I wasn't even aware there were people that hadn't seen black people. I live in Texas, and black people are commonplace. It's nothing special or aweinspiring to see a black person, they're as common as white people. No biggie.

There's very few urban areas where blacks don't live. (In the US.)

Small towns in certain parts of the country are a different matter. I, for instance, grew up in a small community and we had... two black people in town. One was a girl that was younger than me and she'd been adopted by the high school science teacher. The other was an old drunk who we affectionately called 'Nigger Dave'. However, Nigger Dave was about as white as a black man could be except for his skin.

But, I doubt there are many people who haven't seen black people before.
How about a show of hands?
I know Avatar has seen few to no black people. How about the rest of you?

I even have black people in the family.

I even have black people in the family.

Yeah, I could tell that by your screen name and your avatar! :)

Baron Max

Yeah, I could tell that by your screen name and your avatar! :)

Baron Max
it's no damned wonder spurious doesn't like america

But, I doubt there are many people who haven't seen black people before.

I wonder how many people wished that they'd never seen one?

Baron Max

it's no damned wonder spurious doesn't like america

So ...are you advocating that he judge the entire nation of America by the few comments that I make on sciforums?

Baron Max

I don't care about colour. I care about attitude. There is not a big difference between the attitude of a black and white american.

I don't care about colour.

Blacks seem to care a LOT about color! In fact they're constantly raising the "Racist" flag and rioting and demonstrating and yelling and preaching and ....well, all of that crap, when they should be working to support their families and pay for their own fuckin' food and housing!

I care about attitude.

Me, too. And I've found that blacks have the worst fuckin' attitude of any race of people on this fuckin' planet ...and perhaps in the entire fuckin' universe.

Baron Max

So ...are you advocating that he judge the entire nation of America by the few comments that I make on sciforums?

Baron Max
like i said elsewhere, you can be exhausting
i told cottontop that you could wear down mt. everest
even spurious said you were indiscriminate in your ass chewing

So ...are you advocating that he judge the entire nation of America by the few comments that I make on sciforums?

Baron Max
baron, you know what i meant

Me, too. And I've found that blacks have the worst fuckin' attitude of any race of people on this fuckin' planet ...and perhaps in the entire fuckin' universe.


I'm not sure I can agree with you on that since the difference of attitude between the average 'black' and 'white american' is negligable compared with the difference in attitude between the average american and the average european (no matter what nationality).

And in florida I am not sure if the whites or blacks have the worst attitude. The contest is so far undecided and I am not leaning towards any of both demographics as of yet.

How about a show of hands?
I know Avatar has seen few to no black people. How about the rest of you?
i've dated a couple of black women
who knows, i might even marry one

Well, where I'm from, black people tend to act like they're superior to white people. They call white people "crackers" and "uh oh oreos" (ha) and then act like they're family was coralled (sp?) and collectively pissed on by the white race when they are rebuked with the oh so common "you nigger". Sounds like someone's got a double standard...?

Well, where I'm from, black people tend to act like they're superior to white people. They call white people "crackers" and "uh oh oreos" (ha) and then act like they're family was coralled (sp?) and collectively pissed on by the white race when they are rebuked with the oh so common "you nigger". Sounds like someone's got a double standard...?
a damn good point amishrakefight
it's been brought up before

If you present that as evidence I present baron max as evidence that white people act like they are superior to black people and have double standards.

Skin color makes a difference only if you think it does.

A lot of Americans unfortunately think it does.

I don’t much like inner city people. Why? Because of the inner city culture they are raised in. Yeah, a lot of blacks grow up in that culture. So I probably won’t like them. A lot of whites also grow up in that culture – I don’t like them either. I was raised in a white-trash culture, no blacks, but I would much rather hangout with a black guy that has similar views as me than a white-trash bigot.

I have meet Blacks that sound, talk, walk, eat, and seem to think, just like me. I would rather hang out with a black guy that’s interesting than a boring white guy.

I used to date a really sweet black skinned girl that was African American. And I mean a REAL African American – born in Africa. Both her parents were physicians – one a surgeon. She was HOT. Only a complete idiot would not be with someone because of their skin color. That’s moronic.

Lastly – I don’t believe in race. It’s an outdated word and really has little meaning anymore. But, much like the tendency to believe in Gods and Country, there appears to be a natural tendency for people to believe in race. And much like religion and nationalism they tend to think theirs is the superior.

Well, so long as we don’t educate people to think properly this will continue to be the case.

Michael

Oh, I don’t mind segregated society, but I think it should not be based on how good a tan you can get – but instead on like-mindedness. There’s not much wrong with that is there?

If you present that as evidence I present baron max as evidence that white people act like they are superior to black people and have double standards.
you aren't judgeing all of america by baron are you?
personaly i don't consider myself superior to anyone

Baron Max makes great points but they are always buried in ignorant comments like his last post. He's right that instead of constantly complaining about discrimination, worry about how you are going to be a positive contributer to society. I'm Black, and I have been discriminated against, and yet I somehow magically got myself into college (UNLV) and am working toward degrees in Business Administration and Political Science. How did I do it? I decided that I would stop complaining and do something. But what I see when I walk around is African-Americans who expect handouts and have given up. The attitude of the average African-American is that they don't have to work hard and that the government owes them something.

Now, I'm not generalizing because than I would be saying that I expect a handout as well, which I don't. But you can't deny the fact that many African-Americans expect to be taken care of by the government.

But you can't deny the fact that many African-Americans expect to be taken care of by the government.
hmm, what does a prson say to something like that.
if blacks notice it, man i'm speechless

Well, where I'm from, black people tend to act like they're superior to white people. They call white people "crackers" and "uh oh oreos" (ha) and then act like they're family was coralled (sp?) and collectively pissed on by the white race when they are rebuked with the oh so common "you nigger". Sounds like someone's got a double standard...?
Hmmm...well, not all black people are like the ones where you live, just like how not all white people are like how Bmax is. :D

So why is it that yanks don't want to talk about racism in the north and instead force some false propaganda of omg south == slavery == racist

Then again this is a great example of a yankee...

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

angry
how many times are you gonna post that link?

angrybellsprout:

Kind of funny since all american media wants to talk about is how evil and racist the south was.

Was, or is?

They don't want to talk about how yanks made it illegal for blacks to exist.
They don't want to talk about the lynchings that took place in the north.
They don't want to talk about the 1860 republican platform to deport all the blacks.
They don't want to talk about slavery in the north.
They don't want to talk about blacks who owned slaves in the south.
They don't want to talk about integrated military units in the confederate army.
They don't want to talk about blacks who volunteered for the confederate army compared to the blacks who were drafted into the yankee army.
They don't want to talk about the race riots that broke out in the north over blacks in the military.

This is all ancient history, isn't it?

Why don't you worry about what's happening today?

That's funny because yanks won't talk about what's going on today and just go omg slavery as if slavery wasn't legal in the usa before during and after the war of northern agression was over.

Ok. Let me summarise your point, as I understand it.

Northern states had slavery before the civil war, just like the South. And you think the North today doesn't acknowledge its past, while at the same time it looks down on the South because of its slaving history. And that's bad. So, the North should admit to its past, as the South has already done, and everyone will be more honest with each other.

Is that it?

You're starting to get there...

Then again yanks will point out how many northern states didn't have slavery, but they don't explain the how and why of their lack of slavery.

If they allowed slavery, then the black man would exist within their borders. The way to fix that was to make it illegal for blacks to even exist within their border.

That was the big thing about the Republican platform of 1860 that Lincoln ran on, he was going to ban slavery in the west so that no blacks would enter. That way they could preserve their pure white society in the west.

racism like realy sucks man
the only thing that sucks worst
are the people that stir it up

I remember in jr high it was the fellow blacks that prevented me from being allowed to associate with my black friends during school hours.

Ok. So, previous governments in the North used to have racist policies.

Though it is important to acknowledge the truths of the past, the past can't be changed now. Isn't it more important to address racism as it exists today, rather than prior to the civil war?

Then yanks would have to drop their propaganda campaign against the south.

We didn't want to be apart of their fascist country, yet they force us into it and do nothing but attack us with their propaganda.

you aren't judgeing all of america by baron are you?
personaly i don't consider myself superior to anyone

It was an example: if someone else presents an idiotic argument I am allowed to do the same. And what I presented was an identical idiotic argument as the one I was countering.

I assume the sarcasm didn't really translate very well for you to have misunderstood it.

It was an example: if someone else presents an idiotic argument I am allowed to do the same. And what I presented was an identical idiotic argument as the one I was countering.

I assume the sarcasm didn't really translate very well for you to have misunderstood it.
i'm sorry spurious. please don't beat me

Then yanks would have to drop their propaganda campaign against the south.

What campaign?

We didn't want to be apart of their fascist country, yet they force us into it and do nothing but attack us with their propaganda.

Couldn't the South could have seceded from the United States if Southerners didn't want to be part of the country?

Are you are Southerner? Would you like the South to secede now, if possible? And if so, why? Which "northern" laws or customs do you oppose?

Northern media is on a constant propaganda campaign to smear the south as racist.

That's the thing. We left their fascist hell hole and they invaded us for it. The yanks got angered that we left and took our many ports with us, which ment that they could no longer collect their gross tarrifs off of our ports.

¡Vive la República de Tejas! ¡Libertad de los Estados Unidos de América!

Yanks refuse to accept the US Constitution, and as such have violated the social contract, thus making it null and void.

On another forum that I post on some canadian tard went on about how the usa needs a black president because that will piss off the southernors.

Most Canadians are retards who are full of advice for Americans because their own country has zero significance in world affairs.

"But sir, Canada is protesting!"

"Who? Grenada?"

:m:

¡Vive la República de Tejas! ¡Libertad de los Estados Unidos de América!

Couldn't agree more. Texas doesn't need the USA, especially not the losers in the northeast.

What campaign?

Do you watch any TV? Maybe it's not visible to you, but they like to stereotype Texas at least.

James R,

Couldn't the South could have seceded from the United States if Southerners didn't want to be part of the country?

Uh.
Is this sarcasm?
Ever hear of the Civil War? Not sure what it's called in the world proper. It's called the War of Northern Aggression in the South (or so Granny Clampett would have us believe.)
Secession is not an option.

Or are you saying that things are different now than they were 150 years ago and that a secession in modern times would be accepted?

That is a topic in and of itself. But I'm inclined to believe that it's not so.
The Civil War would have a sequel.

The two times that the yanks threatened to leave the union, we told them not to let the doorknob hit them on the ass.

When we do leave, the bastards invade us.

Then again if we did leave again, the americans would have a much tougher time trying to invade us...

Yanks refuse to accept the US Constitution, and as such have violated the social contract, thus making it null and void.

Didn't they write the US Constitution?

Actually it was a southernor who wrote the Constitution.

Either way it doesn't justify the yanks refusal to abide by the terms agreed upon in the social contract.

Which terms?

Depends on which date you are talking about 1860 or present?

People should be able to live and work with other people that they like. No one should be forced, by law or by social rules, to like or to live in an nieghborhood with or to work with someone they don't like or want.

Voluntary segragation, like Mayor Nagin seems to advocate for New Orleans, is the only way this world is going to survive without major, violent, racial and/or cultural conflicts. (The only other way is forced interbreeding ...make all people look and act exactly the same!)

Baron Max

Hey Baron, Take your racist ass back to Europe!

Hey Baron, Take your racist ass back to Europe!

Okay, I'll leave tomorrow. I'm sure that once I'm gone, the USA will become a nation of black-lovers, no discrimination against blacks, no hatred of blacks, all the black crime and poverty will miraculously end, and the blacks will all be as happy as pigs in shit on a hot Texas day.

LET THE CELEBRATIONS BEGIN TOMORROW!

Baron Max

But you can't deny the fact that many African-Americans expect to be taken care of by the government.

I'm African American. I served in Air Force. I've never been on welfare. I've never collected unemployment. Never been in jail. I've never recieved a hand out from anyone. What fact is this that you speak of that blacks want to be taken care of by the government?

If you did a little research you'd fine that it's not blacks who recieve the most welfare and hand outs in this country.

Also and I'm not sure why i'm even gonna comment on this. We are people just like everyone else. We want the same things just like everyone else. We want to work, raise out childern in safe areas, attend GOOD schools, the same things you want. We do not choose to live in ghettos. We would love to attend good colleges. We would love good jobs with no hand outs from anyone. I don't want anyone taking care of me.

It's not us who started this racism shit - we just joined in and then the devil has the nerve to call us racist.

Okay, I'll leave tomorrow. I'm sure that once I'm gone, the USA will become a nation of black-lovers, no discrimination against blacks, no hatred of blacks, all the black crime and poverty will miraculously end, and the blacks will all be as happy as pigs in shit on a hot Texas day.

LET THE CELEBRATIONS BEGIN TOMORROW!

Baron Max

I don't think that you being gone is going to change anything [really how silly are you Baron?]. Just you living in same cave in the backwoods of Europe will do my heart good.

I'm African American. .... We are people just like everyone else.

No, ye're not! Ye're skin is black and you have thick lips and broad nostrils and heavy, thick brows ....not everyone is like that! Where the hell have you been? :)

We want the same things just like everyone else.

Oh, so you want to be able to hate other people, too? Sure, go ahead ..it's a free country, ain't it? Oops, wait a minute ..no it ain't a free country, there are laws that force whites to give jobs to blacks even if they don't want to!!! Sorry, I forgot that that freedom was taken away from whites in favor of blacks.

It's not us who started this racism shit - we just joined in and then the devil has the nerve to call us racist.

Well, if you "joined in", then you readily admit to being racist, right? And shouldn't racists be called racists ....even if they're black? Or do you blacks have some special hold on that term?

Baron Max

i for one, think the above 2 posters are very very out of line.
racism of ANY kind has no place here.

racism of ANY kind has no place here.

Oh, really? In one of your posts above, you admitted to joining in on the racism in this great nation ...and now you take it back?

And you also now want to keep people from saying anything that you don't like ...sort of like limiting their rights to free speech? What other freedoms are you wanting to stomp on and eliminate in this great nation? You want to take away our guns, too, ....so we can't protect ourselves from the vicious, violent black criminals that abound on our city streets?

Baron Max

CRIME IN THE HOOD
Violent victimization of whites by blacks is modeled in a racially mixed inner-city neighborhood. Its evolution is traced from the first black to move in, to the last white who moves out. The probability of a white being violently attacked is developed as a function of a neighborhood's racial composition. It is shown to increase nonlinearly, approaching unity as a neighborhood becomes predominately black.

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htm

You made it that way, or, people like you. You needed their labor to get fat and rich off the land you had no part in making fertile. You invented the notion of racial superiority to justify your greed. Their rage at being treated like animals made for tense social relations, and you reacted with further hostility, driving blacks into the least desirable places, the worst jobs, in spite of them helping you fight for freedom. If you continue to do nothing about it, they will kill you wherever they find you, not because they are bad people, but because you leave them no choice, and it will be justified. You reap what you sow.

You made it that way, or, people like you. You needed their labor to get fat and rich off the land you had no part in making fertile. You invented the notion of racial superiority to justify your greed. Their rage at being treated like animals made for tense social relations, and you reacted with further hostility, driving blacks into the least desirable places, the worst jobs, in spite of them helping you fight for freedom. If you continue to do nothing about it, they will kill you wherever they find you, not because they are bad people, but because you leave them no choice, and it will be justified. You reap what you sow.You make blacks sound like animals that have been raised incorrectly by humans.

They are they product of their environment, as are we all. They tried to escape and make independant societies, and they did succeed for a time. Many blacks joined indian tribes, and some famously went to an island off the coast of South Carolina.

They are they product of their environment, as are we all. They tried to escape and make independant societies, and they did succeed for a time. Many blacks joined indian tribes, and some famously went to an island off the coast of South Carolina.The violent behaviour of blacks is far greater outside America.

America is a land of plenty, due to an accident of geography, so is Europe and Asia. If you are wealthy and fed, there is little reason for violence.

America is a land of plenty, due to an accident of geography, so is Europe and Asia. If you are wealthy and fed, there is little reason for violence.
The "land of plenty" happens where ever whites go.

They are they product of their environment, as are we all. They tried to escape and make independant societies, and they did succeed for a time. Many blacks joined indian tribes, and some famously went to an island off the coast of South Carolina.

my my what cute historical distortions...

If they truly wanted to 'escape', then why didn't more take the ticket to Liberia, and then later on Haiti or Panama?

You made it that way, or, people like you. You needed their labor to get fat and rich off the land you had no part in making fertile. You invented the notion of racial superiority to justify your greed. Their rage at being treated like animals made for tense social relations, and you reacted with further hostility, driving blacks into the least desirable places, the worst jobs, in spite of them helping you fight for freedom. If you continue to do nothing about it, they will kill you wherever they find you, not because they are bad people, but because you leave them no choice, and it will be justified. You reap what you sow.

Yep racial suprerority explains the amount of blacks in the south that voluntered to keep the land free from yankee invaders.

Same concept of racial superority explains the blacks that owned large plantations which were run by, omg not black slaves...

It's not the whiteness, but the technology that allows them to gather the resources of the planet, technology that had more to do with agriculture, climate and luck than any special talent. Before the climate of the Earth changed, whites and blacks lived in the same way, as primitive hunter-gatherers. If there were a difference between the intelligence of whites and blacks, the difference would have been evident from the very beginning.

The "land of plenty" happens where ever whites go.

Russia

RussiaWay better then Africa.

i want to see an actual quote where i said i "join in the racism" of america.
i lived in a ghetto for many years, and my best friend happens to be a black pentecostal minister......perhaps you misunderstood something i said, baron.

or perhaps you are just talking out of your ass, as usual.

The continent of Africa is the most abundant in natural resources. If any place can be labeled a "land of plenty" it is Africa.

I'm African American. I served in Air Force. I've never been on welfare. I've never collected unemployment. Never been in jail. I've never recieved a hand out from anyone. What fact is this that you speak of that blacks want to be taken care of by the government?

If you did a little research you'd fine that it's not blacks who recieve the most welfare and hand outs in this country.

I'm Black and I have never collected on government handouts either or comitted a crime (not even so much as a parking ticket). If you read my post, you would have seen that I said I am not making generalizations, and it is from pure experience. When I see other Blacks on TV complaining that the government isn't giving them what they need, it makes me angry. Get an education and provide for yourself.

The reason why Whites recieve the most wellfare is because they make up 69% of the population! However, if you calculated the percentage of Blacks on welfare, unemployment, food stamps, and various other government handouts compared to Whites, you will find that the percentage is much higher for Blacks.

Now, you can blame that on discrimination which is fine, I've had it happen first hand. But you can't blame all of your problems on that. Every single White person in this country isn't racist, infact, the majority really don't care what you're skin color is. If people like you and I can succeed in this country without handouts and resorting to crime, why can't the others?

Africa is not that abundant in natural resources for primitive people. The soil of the jungle is not that fertile, and the animals are fierce and hard to catch.

Africa is not that abundant in natural resources for primitive people. The soil of the jungle is not that fertile, and the animals are fierce and hard to catch.


Primitive people? Contrary to what you might see on TV, Africans are not all tribal people.

Take the country of Eritrea for example. It is the "newest" African nation (it was only granted sovereignty in 1993), and it has oil, fishing (the Red Sea), natural minerals. However, they are being ignored by the UN, mainly because the UN is busy helping gaurd the border so another fight with Ethiopians doesn't flare up. But if they were given the permission to enter the global market with their natural resources, to drill the oil and mine the minerals, to sell more exotic fish, they could theoretically become the richest country in the world per capita (they have a population of just over 3 million).

So, just arguing natural resources, no continent is more abundant than Africa, not even close.

No, ye're not! Ye're skin is black and you have thick lips and broad nostrils and heavy, thick brows ....not everyone is like that!You start your post with NO you’re not? Not what? Human?

As to the phenotype of dark skin, all humans used to have dark skin. Light skin evolved in the north due to the lack of sunlight and need of Vitamin D.

What’s wrong with full lips? There’s nothing worse than a woman with pencil thin lips.

The “broad nostrils” or as my Chinese friend likes to say “button nose” is preferred by some people – for example, my Chinese friend. Lots of Asians have “button noses”.

Heavy thick brow? You paint a picture of a cave-man. The truth is though, many WHITE people living in the Alps have very heavy brows. As a matter of fact, they’re so thick that some white scientists have postulated that whites living in the Alps are the descendants of an interbreed between Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis.


So again I don’t really see your point?


As to the like minded people living with like minded people – I don’t have a problem with that. Monetary aside, there should NEVER by a forced segregation based on anything. As long as a person follows the rules then anyone should be able to live anywhere where they can purchase land.

Primitive people? Contrary to what you might see on TV, Africans are not all tribal people.

Take the country of Eritrea for example. It is the "newest" African nation (it was only granted sovereignty in 1993), and it has oil, fishing (the Red Sea), natural minerals. However, they are being ignored by the UN, mainly because the UN is busy helping gaurd the border so another fight with Ethiopians doesn't flare up. But if they were given the permission to enter the global market with their natural resources, to drill the oil and mine the minerals, to sell more exotic fish, they could theoretically become the richest country in the world per capita (they have a population of just over 3 million).

So, just arguing natural resources, no continent is more abundant than Africa, not even close.
I'm not saying modern african are primitive, far from it. I'm saying that until the technology came from elsewhere, there was no way to take advantage of oil and minerals, and no market. Historically, these kind of resources that are valuable to industrialized nations did not count towards the prosperity of Africans.

I'm not saying modern african are primitive, far from it. I'm saying that until the technology came from elsewhere, there was no way to take advantage of oil and minerals, and no market. Historically, these kind of resources that are valuable to industrialized nations did not count towards the prosperity of Africans.


Yeah, I just caught your other thread, my mistake.

The south lost the civil war, ha ha, nanny nanny boo boo angrybellsprout.

Before the civil war, Vermont (not yet a state) tried to leave the Union and was defeated militarily.

Yankees also are racists, but the bell curve of northern racism is not more racist than the bell curve of southern racism. Yankees are also look down on southerners and are prejudiced against southerners, but this victimization of the south in no way taught the southerners to be sympathetic to people who are looked down upon. Southerners seemed to have developed their own backlash against Yankees and have their own hateful rejection of Yankee superiority. Deep down in side you southerners must know you are inferior. How else can you explain your freaking out like you are?

Yeah, the civil war, big mistake. We should have let the southerners go.

we call them "southerners" because they live in the southern part of the country.
they call us "yankees" why?

if we want to be childish about it, at least our word for them makes sense.
we are also alot more inviting and hospitable, obviously. otherwise, why are all the rednecks spreading all over the country? go back to alabama, i say!!

It's not the whiteness, but the technology that allows them to gather the resources of the planet, technology that had more to do with agriculture, climate and luck than any special talent. Before the climate of the Earth changed, whites and blacks lived in the same way, as primitive hunter-gatherers.

So why didn't the blacks of Africa develop technology? They had millions of years of headstart on the whites, who were smart enough to move out of Africa and start life somewhere else. Why didn't blacks do that, or develop the necessary technology?

The whites, who didn't have nearly the amount of time as blacks, developed virtually all of the world's technology. When whites came back to Africa, they found the blacks still using spears and running around mostly naked.

If there were a difference between the intelligence of whites and blacks, the difference would have been evident from the very beginning.

Well, it's always been evident ...some people just can't accept it, that's all. All one has to do is read history ...it's right there in black n' white (pardon the pun!).

Baron Max

You start your post with NO you’re not? Not what? Human?

Hmm, didn't read my post very well, did you? If you really wanted to know, you'd have gone back and read it more carefully. That just shows me/tells me that you really don't want to know!

What’s wrong with full lips?

Well, thick, flabby lips are ugly! And they also make talking in English, and perhaps any language, difficult to understand.

Heavy thick brow? You paint a picture of a cave-man.

Yep!

As long as a person follows the rules then anyone should be able to live anywhere where they can purchase land.

Even if all of the existing people don't wnat them there? Even if all of the existing people discriminate against them? Even if all of the existing people will hate them? Why, oh, why, would anyone in their right mind want to live in some place where they are not wanted and where they're hated?

Baron Max

Way better then Africa.

Your position was that there would be land of plenty wherever white people went. Now you are being a fucking fucktard by changing your definition again. You are a just stupid racist who can't handle the fact that he is frustrated with his life and has to blame it on someone else. That is all there is to it.

i want to see an actual quote where i said i "join in the racism" of america.

Who said that you said that? Show me. (Unless ye're referring to my response to dbk, or whatever the fuck his name is!)?

......perhaps you misunderstood something i said, baron. or perhaps you are just talking out of your ass, as usual.

Oh, you forgot one ...perhaps I wasn't even talking to you? Which do you think it is now? :)

i lived in a ghetto for many years, and my best friend happens to be a black pentecostal minister....

Well, how 'bout that! I did too. I just loved living in the ghetto and in abject poverty for five years. And one of my best friends was a black pimp and drug dealer and common thief ...we got along just famously. :)

Baron Max

baron, fuck off.
you spoke as if you were speaking to me, as we had been talking on the same subject.
idiot.

Your position was that there would be land of plenty wherever white people went. Now you are being a fucking fucktard by changing your definition again. You are a just stupid racist who can't handle the fact that he is frustrated with his life and has to blame it on someone else. That is all there is to it.

Well, why is it then, that most of black Africa was still living in the stone age when the whites came? Why didn't they have nuclear weapons and fighter jets and long-range missiles and such to fight the whites? I mean, they had millions of years of headstart, yet they only had spears and ran around naked.

Hmmm, why didn't they develop as rapidly as the whites? And equally important, why don't they develop NOW, with all the help from the whites of the world? Why are they still practically living in the stone-fuckin'-age?

Baron Max

baron, fuck off.
you spoke as if you were speaking to me, as we had been talking on the same subject. idiot.

Go back and read the post ...you'll see that I was NOT talking to you. ..as if that makes any difference to you and how you accuse me and how you slander me.

Baron Max

So why didn't the blacks of Africa develop technology? ...

Baron Max
See my other post about the origins of inequality (essentially distilled from the program Guns Germs and Steel).

There was no head start. Hunter-gatherers existed both in Europe and Africa at the same time. Then the climate changed, and became favorable for an entirely different kind of society, based on agriculture and raising domestic animals, both innovations coming from the fertile crescent of the middle east. The cold winters of Europe encouraged coal mining, which led to machines for removing the water from coal mines, which led to the internal combustion engine. Farming grain with the assistance of beasts of burden was not possible in Africa. The climate was too warm, and there were no domesticatable animals. Clothes in Africa are useless.

In fact Africans possess technology of a different kind that allowed them to live in a harsh environment that would kill the ordinary European.

It's idiotic to wonder why blacks didn't leave Africa, they did migrate all over the place, and you and I are one of them. We just lost our melatonin because we need vitamin D. You might as well wonder why the Innuit didn't leave the arctic! Well, those who did became something other than Innuit.

as opposed to how you accuse and slander anyone that isnt a fucking nazi?

you sicken me.

Hmmm, why didn't they develop as rapidly as the whites? And equally important, why don't they develop NOW, with all the help from the whites of the world? Why are they still practically living in the stone-fuckin'-age?


Which whites are developing rapidly?

Which whites are developing rapidly?

All of them! Every white race on Earth developed at far, far greater rates than the blacks of Africa ...except for a very, very small few black nations, and even those died off pretty damned quickly.

Ya' know, I can't for the life of me, think of any black nation of the world that's on any par with the whites of the world, can you? I mean, ones that have developed without the aid of whites? And really, even most, if not all, black nations of the world are still backward and are in conflict and civil war and poverty and high crime and disease and ...well, everything else that's bad. Or do you know of a high-class black nation?

Baron Max

If people like you and I can succeed in this country without handouts and resorting to crime, why can't the others?

Because fucktards like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton tell them that they can't and that it is all the white man's fault.

The whites, who didn't have nearly the amount of time as blacks, developed virtually all of the world's technology. When whites came back to Africa, they found the blacks still using spears and running around mostly naked.


Whites created most of the technology?

That is pretty funny. Sure Africa has historically been a barren wasteland as far as intelect goes, but you seem to forget about the Arabs Turks and east asia...

we call them "southerners" because they live in the southern part of the country.
they call us "yankees" why?

if we want to be childish about it, at least our word for them makes sense.
we are also alot more inviting and hospitable, obviously. otherwise, why are all the rednecks spreading all over the country? go back to alabama, i say!!


Rude yanks vs southern hospitality...

So why didn't the blacks of Africa develop technology? They had millions of years of headstart on the whites, who were smart enough to move out of Africa and start life somewhere else. Why didn't blacks do that, or develop the necessary technology?

Read Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel.

Briefly, the answer to your question is: an accident of geography.

Read Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel.

Briefly, the answer to your question is: an accident of geography.

I don't believe it.

Baron Max

You haven't bothered getting an education.

Oh, yeah ....like that one book is "education"? And tell me, James, how many of the world's "experts" agree with the thesis of that one book?

Baron Max

Why were northwest Europeans as technologically primatve as Africans until recent centuries. Northwest Europeans (England, Germany, France Scandanavia) have proven in recent centuries that they can do technology as well as anybody; so why did they lag behind the Mediteranians, Midleasterners, and Chinese for centuries?

All of them!
How come there are so many stupid white people?

Oh, yeah ....like that one book is "education"?

It's obviously more than you've got so far.

And tell me, James, how many of the world's "experts" agree with the thesis of that one book?

I haven't counted. Maybe you ought to ask them.

Decline And Fall -- A review of Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed, by Jared Diamond; by Victor Davis Hanson (http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson042305.html)
What's in just one book -- any one book, afterall?

http://www.shepscenter.unc.edu/research_programs/rural_program/maps/black90nonmetro.gif

About 90% of Americans live in the metro areas.

Your map shows the non metro counties. The entire state of Massachusetts is metro area according to that map. The Berkshires never struck me as being built up. I guess little Pittsfeild, population 45,000 including 1,600 blacks somehow transforms the Berkshires into a metro area.

Your mistaken about blacks not being scattered throughout the north. Blacks are in the North although they are mostly absent from the rural areas of the north.

The five or six dots in the Northwest corner of California by the coast are shown on the map as spread out in rural Del Norte County, when in truth they are all in one place in Del Norte County, the prison at Pelican bay.

Most of California is cosidered metro areas by the map. The town of Clear Lake's blacks are shown as being spread out in Lake county which is not the reality. The map is misleading.

Their defination of metro confuses me a little as well. Since they seem to have nearly the entire distance from San Antonio to Dallas blocked out as white which is much larger than tiny yankee states such as Massachusetts...

The thing is that you can't deny the fact that there is a severly limited number of blacks up north, while they are quite commonplace in the south.

Eh where I live is probiably still in the white smear between San Antonio and Dallas, but we aren't as far east as the real black populations start, I do live in a military community which keeps us nice and integrated.

The map is misleading.
i will agree
the lower edge of indiana is, by the map, considered metro
the reality is, the map is misleading
( is there an echo in here? )

Black or African American alone or in combination with other races from 2000 census

.
USA
281,421,906 Population
36,419,434 Black population
12.9 Percent

Region
Northeast . . . . . . . . .
53,594,378
6,556,909
12.2
Midwest. . . . . . . . . . .
64,392,776
6,838,669
10.6
South . . . . . . . . . . . .
100,236,820
19,528,231
19.5
West . . . . . . . . . . . . .
63,197,932
3,495,625
5.5

shaka zulu..... is the best role model i know of.... and i have never met one.

-MT

It sends up a flag that some here claim the white race is superior
because of technology. Technology built by white men using Arabian
(algorithms, algebra and even our numbers) and Chinese (gunpowder
and levers) knowledge that was stolen violently and used in ever more
violent manners. The Ancient Greeks deserve some credit also, but
they were both homosexual and dark-skinned, so I would not count
them among the great white hunters, would you?

And although the Americas and Africa lacked the background
and drive to compete with Europe and Asia technologically, it is
immediately apparent that they were culturally superior. Filthy
savages with their peace pipes and pow-wows, dirty cannibals
practicing democracy and tolerance of diversity.

Whites are not dominant due to innate superiority, but rather due
to an exceptionally violent nature. No other race has ever
taken the opportunity to kill so many, so violently, as the white.

lol try the turkic race...

So why didn't the blacks of Africa develop technology? They had millions of years of headstart on the whites, who were smart enough to move out of Africa and start life somewhere else. Why didn't blacks do that, or develop the necessary technology?

The whites, who didn't have nearly the amount of time as blacks, developed virtually all of the world's technology. When whites came back to Africa, they found the blacks still using spears and running around mostly naked.

Simple: Geography. White people didn't invent the best nor all of the technology. Rather, one civilization made some techs, these passed along, via trade routes and wanderers, into other cultures, and soon technology spread. Do you think white people invented the arch? Fuck no. The Sumerians did, but this spread along and around the medditerranean world until the Romans picked it up and used it a lot. Do you think whites invented gunpowder? Fuck no. The chinese were the first to do that, but the technology spread around, through Inda and Afghanistan and Persia, all the way through the Islamic Caliphate to Europe, where it caught on. Technology wasn't automatically developed, it was a gradual road by communication between other civilizations.
The majority of what you'd called "Africans", i.e dark-skinned bantu-speaking peoples, lived far to the south of where people were willing to venture, until the 1500s, and even then, the Portugese, English, and Spanish explored only the coastal region. Because of Africa's geography, the majority of the people in and around Subsaharan Africa and the Congo Basin were cut off from communication with the Sumerians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Persians, Mongols, and Arabs. Thus, technology that those others had didn't spread to the Subsahara until the 1500s and 1600s.
As James said, they're a victim of geography. Same reason American Indians didn't have advanced gunpowder and sailing technology. They were cut off from the majority of the world.

Jared Diamond is a leftist nutcase, and i have read his book " guns, germs and steel".

It is basically a failed attempt to excuse failure, even though he conveniently ignores points that go against his arguement.

Jared seems to forget that the African continent is one of the most mineral rich areas of the world, the ivory coast is one example.

The egyptians and persians had no problem building empires on barren desert land, with some simple engineering, so i do not comprehend how he thinks Africa was at a "geographical disadvantage" because that is not the case.

The chinese were isolated from the world for along time as well, they didnt seem to have a problem lacking "advances in sailing" and technology, as like leftists enioy making excuses.

As i said before, it is more leftists attempting to make excuses.

Or, rather, is it you who cannot realize the truth, that black people are no different than you and I, and that you are afraid of that truth, instead opting to dismiss it so that you can keep some false sovereignty over others?
As I said, the Egyptians and Persians built thier civilizations at the crossroads of many cultures, and thus had access to other technologies. Though China remained politically isolated, their merchants and traders and explorers traveled far, and with them came the secrets to papermaking, gunpowder, and silk.

However, the majority of Subsaharan Africa lay in a region few dared to enter, and even fewer returned alive. Thusly, few technologies spread into the Congo Basin, Niger Basin, and South Africa, until the period of Colonial Expansion, and the exploration of Africa.

Minerals, other than salt, are not valuable in a hunter-gatherer society. The Egyptians benefitted from the invention of grain farming and domesticated animals that came from the middle east. The Nile valley in Egypt is a very fertile area, much more so than the rest of Africa. China was also a very fertile area, as was Mesopotamia, both had sub-classes of merchants and craftsmen.

The native Africans did not develop the scale of technology that agrarian societies did, but they were clever enough to perfect the art of lost wax casting in iron, as well as the forging of steel for blades.

With industrialization, we can now make use of such natural resources in Africa that benefit industry, but the material wealth available to ancient Africans cannot compare to Asia, Europe, the fertile crescent, and South America. If not for the ingenious inventions of the bow and arrow and spear, humans might never have been able to leave Africa in the first place.

Krieg Order:

Jared Diamond is a leftist nutcase, and i have read his book " guns, germs and steel".

Anybody with a name like "Krieg Order" probably considers about 98% of people to be "leftist nutcases".

Jared seems to forget that the African continent is one of the most mineral rich areas of the world, the ivory coast is one example.

You didn't read carefully enough. He specifically discusses that fact, which is more than offset by other facts about Africa, such as its high rate of tropical diseases. That's the "germs" part of the book, which maybe you missed.

The egyptians and persians had no problem building empires on barren desert land, with some simple engineering, so i do not comprehend how he thinks Africa was at a "geographical disadvantage" because that is not the case.

Egypt is not in the tropics, and Persia isn't in Africa at all.

The chinese were isolated from the world for along time as well, they didnt seem to have a problem lacking "advances in sailing" and technology, as like leftists enioy making excuses.

Did you really read the book? Doesn't sound like it.

Jared seems to forget that the African continent is one of the most mineral rich areas of the world, the ivory coast is one example.
Yeah, fat lotta good those tradeable resources are gonna do when there's NO ONE TO TRADE WITH UNTIL THE 1600s! :rolleyes:

The "land of plenty" happens where ever whites go.
White people didn't get into Far East Asia until the Middle Ages. China had been a "land of plenty" for millennia prior to interaction with Italians, Spanish, Portugese, and British merchants and explorers.

So, James R;

Read Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel.

Briefly, the answer to your question is: an accident of geography.

The registered Democrat to whom I linked in my last post herein says you're wrong.

Why, 24 hours later, continue to resort to approach-avoidance?

(Edit, schmedit. Rules are for the ruled.)

The registered Democrat to whom I linked in my last post herein says you're wrong.

Questions of science aren't decided by whether you're a Democrat or Republican, silly!

Why, 24 hours later, continue to resort to approach-avoidance?

Huh?

Technology built by white men using Arabian
(algorithms, algebra and even our numbers) Written Arabic is a deviation of Aramaic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic) script, a variety of ancient Nabataean / Syriac.

Ibn al-Haytham (http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/090351.html) the most famous of Arab mathematician started out supporting himself by teaching and by copying Arabic translations of Greek mathematical classics such as Euclid's Elements and Ptolemy's Almagest.

The Ancient Greeks deserve some credit also, Gee Ya think? :bugeye:

Chinese (gunpowder and levers) knowledge that was stolen violently and used in ever more :rolleyes: First of all Chinese didn’t “invent levers”.

Second of all, no one knows who invented gunpowder. If it was from the “Chinese” then it would have come via the Mongols while they were invading Central Europe from 1240-1242.

Regardless, incendiary mixtures were widely known well before the Chinese ever invented firecrackers. In ancient times saltpeter was used in magic, theater and alchemy. When tossed into a flame it made pale purple flames and billowing smoke which was a popular effect to squeeze coin from the simpletons who believed in God(s) and Magi.

And as for using it for a weapon the Greeks made use of "Greek Fire" a closely guarded Byzantine secret in the Seventh Century – way before the Europeans made gunpowder.

knowledge that was stolen violently and used in ever more
violent manners. knowledge isn’t “stolen”. If it is then the Chinese stole acupuncture from the Europeans.

Ötzi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman) the oldest preserved mummy (3300BCE) had 57 tattoos, some of which were located on or near acupuncture points that coincide with the modern points that would be used to treat symptoms of diseases that Ötzi seems to have suffered from, such as digestive parasites and osteoarthrosis. Scientists believe that these tattoos indicate an early type of acupuncture.

Whites are not dominant due to innate superiority, but rather due to an exceptionally violent nature. No other race has ever
taken the opportunity to kill so many, so violently, as the white.

Mahmud of Ghazni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_Ghaznavi)

Mahmud's campaigns seem to be motivated by both religious zeal and an interest in wealth and gold. Mahmud followed the injunction to convert non-Muslims, whom he had vowed to follow every year of his life. Hindu temples were depositories of vast quantities of wealth, in cash, golden idols, diamonds, and jewellery - and these made them targets for a non-Hindu searching for wealth in northern India. Mahmud's armies routinely stripped the temples of their wealth and then destroyed them; after Mahmud's raids on the cities of Varanasi, Ujjain, Maheshwar, Jwalamukhi, and Dwarka.

According to Tarikh-i-Yamini of Utbi, Mahmud's secretary,
"The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at Thanesar] that the stream was discolored, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count. Praise be to Allah for the honor he bestows on Islam and Muslims."

Oh, but lets look over to the Asians:
Djenghis Khan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan#Destruction_and_effects_after_conques ts)
Before the Mongol invasion, a unified China had approximately 80 million inhabitants; after the complete conquest in 1279, the census in 1300 showed it to have roughly 60 million people.

Gee, only killed off 25% of the Chinese TOTAL population. Yeah, what a sweet fella.

One of the Mongol war-leaders talks philosophy: "True happiness and joy is : going into battle, killing all your enemies, executing the men while their families weep, raping the women and taking possession of their treasures, driving their horses and the slaves in front of you - that is true happiness !! " :eek:


We could go on and on here but the truth is all people have built upon what the ancient peoples had achieved before. Whether that’s Europeans or Arabs or Greeks or Chinese and all people have waged war to kill and loot as much as they could from anyone they could get it from.

Whites are no more or less superior when compared with anyone else.

The reason why Europe’s war technology built up was due to the geography in Europe. Europe has many natural boundaries that make it difficult to secure a chunk of land. Italy, France, Germany, England, Spain all tried to and at times conquered one another. But it was always too difficult to hold the conquered land and eventually during one winter that conquered land usually returned to the indigenous peoples, who would then adapt their war technology to be as up to date as possible. Therefore, only improving upon this war technology allowed for the next wave of conquest.

This lead to a feed-back and over 2000 years the further increases in military superiority lead to Europeans being the most militarily advanced people – just while trying to conquer themselves.

Eventually, to get around the Muslims stranglehold on the Spice and Silk trade routes they built ships and the rest is history.

Questions of science aren't decided by whether you're a Democrat or Republican, silly!
Nor are questions of science decided by literature, silly.

MMMMM!!! I had a good friend who could be called black. Though dark brown is the most accurate description. Mahogany. But...

I just love Africans. REAL Africans. I may not agree with their cultural upbringings, but I just love how they talk! Their accents. Especially the Ethiopians.

Now if only I could learn Amhari...

Giovanni Battista Sammartini.

Giambattista.

Prossimo, per favore.

Ciao, Leonardo!

Nor are questions of science decided by literature, silly.
Yeah they are, unless you want to tell me that Darwin never wrote The Origin of Species or that science textbooks do not exists.

In fairness Hapsburg, although this Mr. G appears to be a bit of a plonker, I think in context he was obviously using literature to refer to fictional works. This would also be its normal usage.

Even some fictional works at least correspond to and with scientific facts, like many of Michael Crichton's novels.

There are those who would not rate Crichton quite so highly. Even if we do, we can hardly claim that any questions of science were decided by his novels. Which is exactly the point MrG makes: literature does not decide matters of science.

Decide? No. That much is true.
Still, point is: black people aren't all stupid, and white people aren't all smart. It's all a matter of individual intelligence, and that hinges on your upbringing and your surroundings.

Mr. G:

Nor are questions of science decided by literature, silly.

Did I claim they were?

Yet you somehow think that labelling Jared Diamond as a Democrat somehow affects the scientific validity of his theory.

The thing that bothers me, James, is that you've latched onto the concepts in that one book while somehow denying the opposing concepts in thousands of other books on the same subject. How and why did you do that? ...just because "you" seem to think it makes sense? ...even though you probably don't have much knowledge of even the smallest principles involved? Or are you, also, an expert with years of training and study?

Baron Max

The thing that bothers me, James, is that you've latched onto the concepts in that one book while somehow denying the opposing concepts in thousands of other books on the same subject.

I do not believe there are "thousands of other books on the same subject". Diamond's theory is quite original. He looks not at proximate causes, as historians usually do, but ultimate causes.

Can you cite one book which directly opposes Diamond's theory?

How and why did you do that? ...just because "you" seem to think it makes sense? ...even though you probably don't have much knowledge of even the smallest principles involved?

The principles involved are quite simple, as you would appreciate if you bothered to read the book.

Really, you're out of your depth here. You can't argue something you know nothing about.

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/

Whatsa that there, um, coloured folk doin?

- N

Or, rather, is it you who cannot realize the truth, that black people are no different than you and I, and that you are afraid of that truth, instead opting to dismiss it so that you can keep some false sovereignty over others?
Please, do take a class in human anthropology instead of spouting ignorant bullshit.All it takes is cracking open any first level anthropology book open, either you havent done that or you are deliberately lying.

wonder why racism still exists? why its still a problem in our society? its attitudes like this. It doesnt take much logic to realize that ignoring a problem, will not exactly make it disappear.

germs,lack of resources, and bad geographic location, are things that all civilzations have had to deal with at one time or another.

Please, do take a class in human anthropology instead of spouting ignorant bullshit.This implies you have taken a class in anthropology. (By the way, I should be fascinated to learn what exactly non-human anthropology covers. Could you shed some light on that.) Perhaps, from your position of considerable wisdom, you could explain what significant intrinsic differences exist between black people (whatever they are) and white people (whatever they are). I promise not to laugh too hard at your effort.