View Full Version : Even Norwegians now Hate Taxes!


madanthonywayne
07-18-07, 09:41 PM
Irritation grows over taxes
Norwegians have long accepted high taxes to finance their social welfare state, but a new survey indicates rising dissatisfaction and, in some cases, outright hatred of some taxes that are viewed as way too high and unfair.

"It's clear that taxes are much too high in oil-rich Norway," Oslo resident Gro Pettersen told newspaper Aftenposten. "It's sick!"

The taxes placed on new cars, which can more than double the price of the car itself, are another bone of contention, even though most Norwegians support measures to protect the environment. "The car tax is much too high, but so are most all the other avgifter also," said Ernst Bendiksen of the northern city of Vadsų, where Norwegians are far more dependent on their cars than those living in cities with good public transit systems. "We certainly don't get anything in return for them."

A study conducted by research firm MMI for the Norwegian Tax Payers Association (Skattebetalerforeningen) showed that the most hated taxes are those on new cars and a transfer tax levied when real estate changes hands. The so-called dokumentavgift on real estate transactions, which implies that it's meant to cover the costs of property registration, costs homebuyers around 2.5 percent of the purchase price.

Three of four Norwegians believe that's too high, according to the MMI study, and absolutely no one believed it was too low. With even a modest flat in Oslo costing a few million kroner these days, the tax amounts to a fair bit of change.

The study also showed that 67 percent of the population think Norway's inheritance taxes are too high, while 63 percent think fuel taxes are too high. Norway's hefty 25 percent VAT (like a sales tax) on nearly all consumer items is considered too high by 53 percent of the population.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1891543.ece
Wow. Even the citizens of Scandinavian socialist paradises are upset over taxes. That is a real change. I remember discussing taxes with an exchange student from Norway back in the 80's. He was perfectly satisfied to pay high taxes because of the "free" healthcare. The times, they are a change-in.

Neildo
07-18-07, 10:11 PM
What, you mean the government would actually do something like overcharge on taxes with a screwy cost to benefit ratio? You don't say!

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bsemak
07-19-07, 02:20 AM
Wow. Even the citizens of Scandinavian socialist paradises are upset over taxes. That is a real change. I remember discussing taxes with an exchange student from Norway back in the 80's. He was perfectly satisfied to pay high taxes because of the "free" healthcare. The times, they are a change-in.

What the hell do you mean by socialist paradises!

Orleander
07-19-07, 07:42 AM
LMAO>,I thought that said Texas.

nietzschefan
07-19-07, 09:29 AM
I know this is a very radical thing to say, but I think they should collect all taxes via inheritance taxes and old style duties/resources land taxes. I personally think inheritance is a fundamental problem in the productivity of humans. Both in the case for the spoiled silver spoon fed trustfund baby and the child of welfare.

Income taxes should be done away with entirely, so-called charities are to now buck up and truely take "care" of the so-called disadvantaged (and surely in a system of no income taxes nowdays could find a slice of pie for anyone).

A system where everyone is inclined to do "something" rather than sit on their asses, a system where nearly anything is possible for nearly anyone.

Inheritance - a great strain on the productivity and progression of humanity. Always has been and always will be. I have a lot of respect for philanthropists that see this in their lifetimes.

desi
07-19-07, 10:10 AM
What makes you think they ever liked taxes to begin with?

zotwelve
07-19-07, 03:48 PM
off-topic, but when I first read the headline for this I thought it said:
"Even Norwegians now Hate Texas!"

hahaha, needless to say I was disappointed after opening to find different content...

madanthonywayne
07-19-07, 10:43 PM
I know this is a very radical thing to say, but I think they should collect all taxes via inheritance taxes and old style duties/resources land taxes. I personally think inheritance is a fundamental problem in the productivity of humans. Both in the case for the spoiled silver spoon fed trustfund baby and the child of welfare.
So if a man dies, his family should be thrown out in the street and the government should seize all his property?

Or if a couple runs a company and one of them dies, now the government owns half the company?

pjdude1219
07-20-07, 12:07 AM
the estate taxes of countries don't kick in unless the estate is worth a large amount

Sock puppet path
07-20-07, 04:01 AM
Wow. Even the citizens of Scandinavian socialist paradises are upset over taxes. That is a real change. I remember discussing taxes with an exchange student from Norway back in the 80's. He was perfectly satisfied to pay high taxes because of the "free" healthcare. The times, they are a change-in.

It's not the income taxes here it's all the other taxes that people are getting fed up with. The govt puts a tax on everything that is the irritating bit my income tax is 36% and for that I get good services in the states I was paying 32% and getting nothing in return except social security points.

Nikelodeon
07-20-07, 04:10 AM
In the states you were paying 32%?

Sock puppet path
07-20-07, 04:38 AM
In the states you were paying 32%?

maybe more like 30% when calculating both state and federal.

As mentioned in the article the tax on automobiles is outlandish. I bought my car in the states before we moved, paid $18,000 for it called the customs office in Norway to hear how much I would have to pay in tax. if I didn't manage to get the exemption I was entitled to it would cost $30,000!! almost twice the amount I paid for the car! I thought the tax was levied for enviornmenntal reasons but found out it was put in place after WW2 in order to encourage domestic car production, something which never happened. Complaints aside I doubt much will be done about the tax levels here, norweigans are wealthy and all to accepting of governmental decision making. This is none the less a good country to live in with good wage levels (the highest standard of living in the world I think) lovely nature and social (retirement, unemployment, disability)security

Nikelodeon
07-20-07, 05:36 AM
More importantly, what do Norweigans think of Texas?

S.A.M.
07-20-07, 05:55 AM
More importantly, what to Norweigans think of Texas?

Geez, thats how I read it too!

bsemak
07-20-07, 07:12 AM
LMAO>,I thought that said Texas.

Freudian Slip..