After sharing a month of musical bliss over Audioslave, my wife told me about a band named Evanescence that she saw a couple of times on The Fuze channel. Guaranteed that I would love them, authorized me to go out and buy the CD immediately, even if I had to pay full price. (I didn't, it was on sale at Circuit City for 12 bucks.)

Damn, she was right. If I had my own record company and my own studio and could hire any songwriter, singer, musicians, and producer in the world, I could not have conceived of a band that plays more perfect "Fraggle Rocker's dream music" than Evanescence.

I even coined a name for the genre that they epitomize:

"Lite Goth"

Anybody else like them? You have to hear the whole CD "Fallen," not just the video hits. It's got continuity and dynamics, the closest thing anybody comes to a "concept album" any more. Segues from a sweet acoustic ballad about depression, lost love, and eternity in hell; to a soprano wail over Korn-style infrared-noise chop-saki power-chords about depression, lost love, and eternity in hell; to a Garbage-meets-Renaissance, post-New-Wave, Neo-Progressive-Rock, mini-epic... about depression, lost love, and eternity in hell.

I've played it about six times in two days. I haven't foresaken Audioslave, but Evanescence is now my nominee for Best Band of the 21st Century.

Going Under and Bring me to Life are pretty good...

Pop is pissing me off.

Pop would piss me off. But not if a pop queen boinked me.

"Bring me to Life" is really great but I don't know "Going Under" yet... I will have to listen to the full CD.

The whole CD is great. It is one of those few CD's you wouldn't regret buying.

I sense biting sarcasm...just biting.

Evanescence are Nightwish wannabes.

Evanescence r0x0rs, everyone else is trash.

Heard their famous single......sounds decent but the guy in the back annoys me. He sounds like you average Numetal frontman.

i truly love fraggle and cant wait for wifey to pen a few posts!

hmmm.. has anyone ever liked a band that was you thought pretty good while they were kind of starting out and then radio grabs a single and suddenly, everybody likes them?


That pisses me off

Evanescence.....one hit wonder...radio is already overplaying there song.....i give them another year....

I don't like them.


And I rarely regret buying CDs.

I don't like them.


And I rarely regret buying CDs.

I don't like them.


And I rarely regret buying CDs.

Plastic...do you hear a echo..i do...

Originally posted by sargentlard
Heard their famous single......sounds decent but the guy in the back annoys me. He sounds like you average Numetal frontman.

The guy in the background is the singer for 12 Stones, not actually a part of the band.

(I have no idea who 12 stones are, or what they sound like, I"m just sayin)

I love Going Under.

Originally posted by UberDragon
hmmm.. has anyone ever liked a band that was you thought pretty good while they were kind of starting out and then radio grabs a single and suddenly, everybody likes them?
Yeap : All4One, BoyzIIMen, Avril Lavigne (it was a mistake while I was downloading a mp3... thus I found her before she was on the radios)

Extraordinarily average band.

Lite goth? They've got more of an industrial sound than a gothic sound. I would dub them Industrial Pop. I would say Industrial Rock but they've got alot of nu-metal influences in there. I would also class Linkin Park as Industrial Pop. A smear on an otherwise brilliant genre.

Yeah, Evanescence's CD is pretty good. One of the few albums that has somewhat of a similar sounding theme that all goes together rather than a bunch of different songs thrown on the same album. Let alone, an album where mostly all of the songs are good instead of most these days where you buy a CD for one or two songs and the rest are trash, heh. Let's see if they can follow-up with another though.

And damn, there's way too many darn musical genre's these days.

- N

evanessence is broken up guys, but there CD is good, i dotn lsiten to them much but i lsitened to there CD alot a fewm oneths ago , have anyone of you heard anywhere, a osng not on there CD?

Extraordinarily average band.


that's so kind of you :)

Extraordinarily average band.

When I first read this, I agreed with you. But after some thinking I would say that the band is quite talented but they've gone into the wrong style. They went too mainstream which of course means the chances of them 'living' long is severly reduced. If they had gone into the more underground styles of industrial they would have probably lived forever. They would have probably become a classic band that everyone loves to listen to at the industrial clubs, but at the moment, the DJ gets lynched whenever it comes on...

...that dude never saw that butter coming :bugeye:

My girlfriend is somewhat goth (with psuedo, nu goth influence) and she loves the cd. I think it's got some good tracks on it.

I am interested to see where Amy Lee goes from here.

Necromancing two year old threads just to say nothing... wow. You are a winnar!

Evanesence was an unfortunate flash in the pan. They seemed to be more Industrial Emo, than really goth. They cued on on the world wanting to be sad, and banked on it with a beautiful voice as the frontman. A great gimmick that made them all really rich, but if you listen closely... the chords are too similar in every song. The beats on most of the songs are so quantized by a synthesizer it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. The piano/keyboard player is probably the most talented person in that entire group of people. Anyone can sing, but really great bands make good music that you hear about ten years later. Somehow, I don't think this band will make history except as one-hit-wonders on some cheese VH1 show about the 2000's that our grandkids will laugh at.

They just don't make music like they used to. Our kids will never listen to the shit pop music they played in the 90's like we did with music from the 60's and 70's. There is no "Classic" genre from the 80's either, and very few good tunes actually survived except when revived on video game soundtracks. So many no-talent people have hit records, that blaze and burn out in less than three months. I don't have a album right now that I can say was made in the 2000's and I could consider a timeless classic.

The 80's bred Ministry, one of the pioneers of the modern industrial scene. Hell, whenever Burning Inside comes on in a club I go nuts and that was made in '89. That was a groundbreaking track.

Of all the mainstream albums in the 00's, I can safely agree with you. But there are alot I consider classics but they are hidden gems and have gone almost unnoticed. If more people knew about the likes of Acumen Nation and Karmic Jera then...I dunno, I'd be happier. But the teenagers of today will probably not want to listen to the albums around now in 15-20 years time as the music around now doesn't grow with you. I mean who the hell listens to the Spice Girls anymore?! Or Steps. The modern day subsitutes for the likes of CCR or the Stones are buried under the hype of todays pop-culture.

Evanescence is too similiar to Linkin Park in so many ways. They both could've been utterly amazing if they didn't try and be liked so much. If they had done it right, I can safely say that in 10 years time when a song of theirs had been played in the clubs, it would've recieved as much reception as a good Rob Zombie track. But alas, they went along the, as you say, industrial emo route (a better label than mine, kudos).

And nothing annoys me more when someone says "Hey, this is sorta like that Evanescence band" when I'm trying to listen to some decent coldwave. Puts me in a slapping mood and makes my banana dackery taste sour.

I started this thread in 2003 so it's maybe just a little out of date. After spending something like seven years playing these songs on amateur instruments in a living room, dreaming of how they would sound with a proper band and singers and good production, finally being noticed, getting a contract, making an album that garnered impressive sales, being chosen for a movie soundtrack, and becoming famous, the two of them broke up. How sad. And how show-biz.

But I still love the CD and still play it. I even tracked down Lacuna Coil, the band everybody says these people were, perhaps unconsciously, inspired by, and they're good and they've stayed together and they have more than one album but they don't hold a candle to Evanescence.

I have a soft spot for girl singers so for me there's no comparison to Linkin Park. Besides, I seem to lack the enzyme to digest rap so when these nu-metal groups go into their spoken word routines they lose me.

I've never been able to understand what "goth" really means. I have a suspicion that it's like "psychedelic" or "punk", more of a total package than just the music. Clothing, makeup, attitude, shenanigans of the groupies, the whole "je ne sais quoi." How else could The Cure be counted in the same genre as all those other "goth" bands? "Let's Go to Bed" is goth?

As for the eighties, I wonder how many of you were there and how many of you are judging it by the relics that are played on the radio today. There was lots of wonderful music. "Photograph" by Def Leppard. "Suicide Solution" by Ozzy. "Dead or Alive" by Bon Jovi. "Enter Sandman" by Metallica. "Empire" by Queensryche. Several tunes by the Motels. Almost anything by the Eurythmics, Duran Duran, or the Fixx.

Plenty of great bands and singers who were never on MTV. Cindy Bullens, the Church, the Coyote Sisters.

The Cult debuted in the 1980s. So did Guns 'n' Roses. Two of the best bands of all time.

Something tells me none of you think much of Poison, but they still have an army of devoted fans who know every word to every song and cry at their concerts. And how can you diss a band that lets the singer go off for an insulin shot during the drum solo? "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" is a bar band classic, the song they do for the evening's slow dance.

And you goth fans, how can you forget the Sisters of Mercy?

Hey now, hey now now, sing this corrosion to me!

Now that is goth!

I've never been able to understand what "goth" really means. I have a suspicion that it's like "psychedelic" or "punk", more of a total package than just the music. Clothing, makeup, attitude, shenanigans of the groupies, the whole "je ne sais quoi." How else could The Cure be counted in the same genre as all those other "goth" bands? "Let's Go to Bed" is goth?

If you are looking for the "gothic" side of the Cure, I suggest you listen to three of their early singles: "Primary" and "Other Voices" from Faith, followed by "The Hanging Garden" from Pornography. I still don't understand the "gothic" references as I think it was more in their image (e.g., Robert Smith with lipstick around his eyes) than the songs, which are nothing more than excellent pop tunes under a gloomy veil.

By the way, "Let's Go to Bed" is a fucking excellent song.

Interesting term - Industrial Emo. Evanescence are not emo or industrial but I know what you mean. I would call them mainstream rock.

There are plenty of classics from the 80s. I think there are some classics from the last few years as well but maybe you have to look a little harder to find them.

Oh and Poison had a couple of good songs.

I even tracked down Lacuna Coil

Ah good band, but you really do have to be in the right mood for them tbh.

I've never been able to understand what "goth" really means.

To be honest, that label has become quite shallow. People tend to use it to describe either people who are depressive, dress in black and wear pale makeup. Or it describes a sort of dark metal music with a sorta ancient theme to it. Today that's only the tip of the iceberg. I'm what is known today as a rivethead which is a type of goth. The majority of rivetheads aren't depressive and although black is a major theme, it ain't the end all :) But the term is somewhat different today as it was during the 80's.

As for the eighties, I wonder how many of you were there and how many of you are judging it by the relics that are played on the radio today

Radio? You never hear the decent stuff on the radio (except for Safety Dance, woo!). Although I was born in the mid-80's, I was brought up with the likes of Ministry, Roses and Sex Pistols so it has influenced me today. Part of me wishes I was actually older at the time but that it would have meant I would've seen the 80's...and Tom Selleck has made it damned sure I never want to do that!

Interesting term - Industrial Emo. Evanescence are not emo or industrial but I know what you mean. I would call them mainstream rock.

It's more of a piss take cos no-one actually likes emo ;D I would strongly argue that they have a lot of industrial influence and that they are nothing like the mainstream rock we are seeing today. Completely different. And that's probably why people liked them because the only other band most of these cretins (the public, not you guys) like them was Linkin Park so everyone was like "Wow, this is totally different!"...

Anyway, if you like Evane...hell, I can't even spell the name. If you like them, why not try some other bands such as Hate Dept. (Bitch is probably one of my all time favourite tracks), Acumen Nation, Blackholepit and the new and sexilicious Dope Stars Inc. Now they are talented as f**k and deserve any and all appreciation possible.

Man, if only I controlled the airwaves...

Perhaps you are right re the indistrial influence. Although I must admit I do enjoy emo as well. :o


I downloaded some Acumen Nation, Blackholepit Dope Stars Inc. I like them particularly Blackholepit.

I was born in 1972, and I lived all of my truly "easily influenced" years in the 80's.

And I still hate most '80's music. Most of it was shit, plain and simple. Sure, there were good songs by good bands here and there. I was a huge fan of Def Leppard, Poison, Metallica, Ozzy (though his 70's stuff with Black Sabbath is more prolific), Duran Duran, Prince, Eurythmics, the Talking Heads, R.E.M back when they had much more to say... I could go on and on. I loved 80's music, back in the 80's when it was good. Now, I am hard pressed to find songs from the 80's I'd like to listen to. I enjoy more stuff from the 70's, than I do the 80's. David Byrne was no Harry Chapin... Billy Joel was the closest to a Leonard Cohen that the 80's could hope for. There are no poets like Bob Dylan, and no passionate writers like James Taylor.

The best musicians and songwriters are rarely heard, and mostly stay pretty underground. That's the way I like it though... less crowds at concerts, and less being overplayed during TV commercials.

Everything coming out now is so pretentious and fakey. The lyrics choke me and fail to get me high. Music today is like bad, wet, dirt weed... You'll only take a hit if everything else is already gone and you're feeling broke.

Zark, I'm a big Cure fan and probably have all of their albums. Saw them live in L.A., a fabulous show. "Let's Go to Bed" is a good song but I prefer the darker stuff.

Kotoko, I agree that Ozzy's music with Black Sabbath was far better than his solo work. Especially their last four albums, which never got any attention. "Gypsy," "Johnny Blade," "Rock and Roll Doctor," great songs. And Tony blossomed as a guitarist. They really got into a groove. But if we're debating the eighties, Ozzy's first two albums were bright spots.

Yes, I too find myself pulling out 70s music more often than 80s. But I was into prog rock, Renaissance, Gentle Giant, the Strawbs, Bowie, Genesis... By 1980 it was firmly established as a rule that in order to be rock and roll you had to be able to tap your foot to it. No more bizarre time signatures, no more long dynamic themes, no more ballads with rubato tempos. The one part of the disco legacy that we've never been able to shake is the idea that music is always for dancing. It's sad.

Yeah, I like progressive rock. I loved Genisis as a kid and Bowie is awesome as well. But my fav prog rock has to be, hands down, Jethro Tull. Takes the crown.

- N

Evanescence are Nightwish wannabes.
I'm a pretty heavy Nightwish fan, and don't listen to Evanescence at all, and it still pisses me off to hear shit like this. From airplay, they don't sound similar at all. AT ALL.

were you upset when tarja left?