My personal theory to why much of Europe is being a roadblock (or more accuratly: speedbump) to any American efforts to do anything is that they are afraid to accept they have lost their prowess and control of the world. Once they were supreme rulers of the earth and their only fears were other european nations. When they lost their colonies they lost their economic and thus military superiority. It is like how a man who lost a job (and all its power with it) might beat his wife to make himself feel big.

Other regions hold monopolies on various products and that gives them power. Many tropical third world countries hold monopolies on various agricultural products that grow in few other places. The middle east controls most of the world's oil. Various China, Taiwan, Japan, and other countries in that area manufacture goods at a supremely low price. The US, Japan, & a handful of other place produce much of the worlds new technology and software. What does europe hold a monopoly in? Nothing.

Despite not holding any cards many european countries refuse to accept they are no longer the center of the universe. They use old political and social constructs made during their better days to try to assert control over their world. They see America as a threat to their pride and so they swarm and peck at us the way a bunch of small birds will hound a hawk. The fall of Mount Everest would make all the other mountains seem to be bigger.

To be a thorn in America's side makes them feel important.

Noone cared about Europe two thousand years ago. I'm sure the world won't notice their disappearance today either.

Same goes for the US.

Actually rome cared quite a bit about Europe 2000 years ago. Rome left a legacy that is still eviden everywhere you go in the old world. Hopefully we will have a legacy a thousand times as great.

Man, I should have said 3000 years ago, or 1500 years ago after their fall. Also, Rome did nothing during it's stay but gather middle east goods to send to Rome. I guess the US is planning on doing the same thing, sucking the world out of resources and goods and shipping it straight to US.


Don't wish for Rome's legacy, you'll get their fall and internal turmoil as well.

And influence art/archetecture, increase living conditions to their conquered provinces, make scientific advancement, create a system of aquaducts and roads that are still being used, and the like.

Originally posted by heflores
Don't wish for Rome's legacy, you'll get their fall and internal turmoil as well.
A reason for everyone to pray for our survival.

YOU ARE HEREBY BANNED FROM USING ANY WORDS WITH A LATIN ORIGIN

slow down a bit. Am I the one starting the Europe no longer important thread or what? Do you suffer from short memory loss syndrome? Your are the one starting a thread attesting that Europe is nothing and no longer needed, so I return your advice to you and suggest that you no longer use Latin.....

now, stop making a dumb ass of yourself and think before you start threads.

They had it and lost it, more than once. A few aquaducts and tourist attractions are fine, but thats ALL they have. There is a place for them but they act as if their role is much bigger than it really is.

Their legacy: They inadvertantly created us. Maybe they will reach another peak at a later date but now they are little greater in importance than nicaragua.

Who left Clockwood in rant mode, whats your point anyway?

much of Europe is being a roadblock (or more accuratly: speedbump) to any American efforts to do anything is that they are afraid to accept they have lost their prowess and control of the world.

have you ever stopped to the think, that Europa dont want to control the world, but dont like the way the US Empire is doing "buisness".


When they lost their colonies they lost their economic and thus military superiority.

uuuh you have big gun, my scared now, military dont impress me much, althou i like big Explosions :)

actualy to me you post sound more like someone trying to reasure him self of his "power" and "position"

this thread alone shows that Europa still holds some power over you, why else would you need to bash them

Quotes originally posted by Kunax

have you ever stopped to the think, that Europa dont want to control the world, but dont like the way the US Empire is doing "buisness".[/B][/QUOTE
Ah... so russia is one to complain about our "business". So Germany is one to complain about our "business". They have had such clean and saintly histories. As a matter of fact, who hasnt done something as bad as you complain of us doing (though I still say Saddam was a bastard and needed to be removed)

actualy to me you post sound more like someone trying to reasure him self of his "power" and "position"
Actually its because Im hoping to change the minds of afew Anti-american fanatics. Being patriotic, just doing my part.

Europe is opposing the unilateral approach of the U.S.

Europe never had a unilateral possession of power, it was always devided between themselves in a power struggle.


Europe was important 2000 years ago and pretty much still is to my recall:

Here is a brief history course of Europes importance which you seem to have missed:

Greek Philosophy
Roman Empire
Charlemagne
Medieval Epoch
Vantican in Italy
The renaissance
French revolution (which then later helped yours in the US)
Napoleonic Empire
The Empire of England (The kingdom to which the sun never sets)
Colonialisation of the New world, Africa and middle east.
Agricultural revolution in England
WW 1 and WW 2
Cold war with Russia
United-Nations (which your king still supports)

Newton, Einstein, Copernic, Micheallangelo, Louis Pasteur, Wittgenstein, Russell, Mongolfière brothers, first parachute, Rolls Royce, Mercedes, Ferrari.

So please stop insulting our intelligence by believing that the importance of the u.s. somehow predates europe.

another Europe bashing thread because americans are ashame of their small d****?
in that case...


<center>HAIL EUROPE!
Vive la Démocratie!
http://www.lamblion.com/images/covers/Flag%201.gif
WE WILL KILL YOU PRIMITIVE YANKEE SOBS! </center>

...........
like it?

Originally posted by Kunax
this thread alone shows that Europa still holds some power over you, why else would you need to bash them

I bash mosquitoes but they dont have much sway otherwise.(other than perhaps vacation locals) Sadly too many more major governments listen to the buzz as if the insects knew what they were talking about.

Europa? The icy moon of Jupiter?

Avatar. A good example of what I am talking about. Its just one Europe bashing thread among a hundred America bashing threads.

Originally posted by Clockwood
Avatar. A good example of what I am talking about. Its just one Europe bashing thread among a hundred America bashing threads.

of course, but you derserve them :)

The world can surely survive and make better things without
---Greek Philosophy....who care.
---Roman Empire...imperialist who enslaved the worlds and stole resources
------Charlemagne...I don't know what it means, so it must be not important.
------Medieval Epoch...who gives a shit...I'm not impacted or care the least for that...
-------Vantican in Italy.....Noone cares about these things but europeans.
----The renaissance----same as above...good fun and culture for europeans, the rest of the world can give a hoot.
-----French revolution----We're sorry you had trouble.
Napoleonic Empire---following up on tradition, another imperialist who enslaved the world and stole resources.
--------The Empire of England (The kingdom to which the sun never sets)....the biggest imperialists....the whole world hated theri guts, they created so many bounday problems that we are still suffering from today.
Colonialisation of the New world, Africa and middle east.
Agricultural revolution in England
WW 1 and WW 2--------Please, Europe created that problem.
Cold war with Russia-----Please


So I see, you like to bake the cake and eat it too. Please note that problems that Europe started should not be used as credit for Europe history. Fighting or fixing these problems are not credits either.....I must say, the world could have cared less if Europe didn't exist.

And I believe Europe deserves this one. (and many more)

why, Clockwood

As a counter to those sent America's way. As a pointed finger at those who help our enemies. As a middle finger to those who call us evil bastards but support those a thousand times worse. Because our enemy is whoever would dance on our grave and quite a few have begun dancing early. By being just as bad a set of hippocrits as they accuse us of being.

So hypothetically, if France and Germany gets in trouble like WWII kindda trouble....Would US runs for the rescue like we did back in the day....

As a counter to those sent America's way.
can't think of anything better? :) you need argumentation for bashing Europe and you have it not, therefore all your bashes are just kitten sneezes not worthy of any importance
As a pointed finger at those who help our enemies.
the USA enemy is by no means automatically my enemy
call us evil bastards
evil - doing damage and gaining nothing but mental pleasure
no you don't fall in that category
more like- arrogant and selfish
bastards but support those a thousand times worse
how does Europe support Iraq or North Korea?
Because our enemy is whoever would dance on our grave and quite a few have begun dancing early.
where's the party? :D
but if being true- I like the USA better than China, Russia and N Korea, but nothing much more
By being just as bad a set of hippocrits as they accuse us of being. hmmmm , they have a good point :D

They dont act like allies so part of me wants to say no. Another parts say yes because we have a legal obligation. Yet another says yes because whoever took them over would be a threat.

I think we would say yes if it happened tomorrow but if things keep going as they are We might not in 25 years.

Europa? The icy moon of Jupiter?

lol depending what language you speak, my spelling is correct, any way have ou ever wonder what Europa(the moon) taste like?,
and would you toung stick you you licked it?.

come on Clockwood fire away, i would love to hear why you hate/dislike EU, heres a list the contrys

Belgien
Danmark
Germany
Greece
Spain
France
Ireland
Italy
Luxembourg
Østrig( Dont know the eng. spelling)
Holland
Portugal
Finland
Sweden
UK

this is only the EU, there a more contries in Europe, anyway i can start

UK : drinks to much tee, and have no chin
Italy : Greate place, execpt the kids on the turist markets have realy long fingers so you have to be awake.

I think we would say yes if it happened tomorrow but if things keep going as they are We might not in 25 years.
then you would have to leave the NATO

Avatar: The enemy of my friend is my enemy. That is the basis of any alliance. You stand up for each other. You help each other. If you dont you are not an ally. The Uk and Australia at least try, as ineffectual as they are.

Oh, one other reason for this thread. The best reason of all. I believe it.


Then we would have to leave nato? Then nato would lose all power. Heck, we even pay most of Nato's costs.

you are being naive
in politics there are no friends, just interests

It is allways in your intrests to have someone who will help you out and watch your back. Allways.

Then nato would lose all power. Heck, we even pay most of Nato's costs.
not all power
it would have less nukes and biochemical weapons at its disposal though

And money. And soldiers. And bases. And tech. And covert intelligence.

Originally posted by Clockwood
It is allways in your intrests to have someone who will help you out and watch your back. Allways.

that someone is slowly turning in to an authoritarian country
we talked about this slightly at uni lecture just today

Originally posted by Clockwood
And money. And soldiers. And bases. And tech. And covert intelligence.
you don't really think that Europe has just a few foot soldiers, do you? :D

Most europien nations have small numbers of soldiers, not enough high tech support, and too little practice. Their airforces are just plain pathetic. Britain is basically the only one with a worthwhile military and we are best-buddies with them.