This is absolutly outrages. When China decides to invade Tawain or press itself upon the east who is going to move in to deal with them? Likely not Europe at least not until they debate it into the ground and Tawain and Japan are under China's thumb. Of coarse it will have to the the United States. And now with these ridiculous arms sales to China they wold have advanced technologies that could make thing very difficult. But hey why think about the consiquences of arming Communist China when their is so much money to be made. (If this is at all incoherant I'm sorry I just got off of work and it's 8:30am) http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/02/25/opinion/edchina.html
PNAP what would be so terrible if china controled tawain? i BELIVE it was theres to start with so why shouldnt they have it back
What, countries aren't allowed to take over other countries anymore? Since when did this happen and since when did people care? - N
Neildo GROW UP. What do you think is happerning in the middle east? You really think this is all about freedom. HA, spreding the american way is a little closer to the truth. So what if 3 little islands get taken over by china, in the long run what does it matter? it matters because they have the wealth and are currently alined with the west so WE have the wealth. tell me hoestly that if tiwan WANTED to be part of china we would ever hear about it? it would be covered up and ignored because it doesnt suit us.
I hope that you have not put the UK in with Europe there. I may not agree with some of the stuff we get up to, but at least the UK has got some balls and stands by its decisions.
Tell Europe what: ignore Taiwain for a minute, and don't sell weapons to China because of human rights abuses.
That's true. Maybe if the EU were to build a force (the idea's been floating out there) then European arms firms could sell to them rather then China?
What? Britain with the french!! the germans!! sod that. We're to bolshy to ever let the french have a say with our forces. Cowardly bunch anyway- i here there new flag is a white cross on a white background Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
"Neildo GROW UP. What do you think is happerning in the middle east? You really think this is all about freedom. HA, spreding the american way is a little closer to the truth. So what if 3 little islands get taken over by china, in the long run what does it matter? it matters because they have the wealth and are currently alined with the west so WE have the wealth. tell me hoestly that if tiwan WANTED to be part of china we would ever hear about it? it would be covered up and ignored because it doesnt suit us." Really? I doubt all of the participants of the elecitons would agree with you on that statement. In the long run what does anything matter then! Hell how about I go shoot my neighbor and crap on his kids? In the long run it really wouldn't matter would it?
So, PNAP, we Europeans have to subscribe to the political world view of the US. We have to accept that communist China (which is no more communist than the Nebraska State Legislature) is evil, and that while it is allright for US corporations to invest billions there, European corporations should not sell arms to this despicable government. We also have to accept that inevitably China will invade Japan and Taiwan (did you miss South Korea accidentally or deliberately?), using the European armaments. And we have to accept all of this not because it is is logically true, but because you tell us it is so, and you (the US) are older and wiser and more insightful thant the rest of us, especially us money grubbing Europeans. Hmm. Its not so much fun when the other guy throws his weight around and you cannot do anything about it, is it?
I dont particularly hold with arms sales at all, to anyone, thus I disagree about selling them to China. But that holds for everyone. Re. Technology going to CHina: http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/aboutus/boechina.html "China and Boeing’s industrial cooperation began in the mid-1970s. There are now over 3,300 Boeing airplanes flying worldwide that include major parts and assemblies built by China. Over the last 15 years, teams of Boeing manufacturing, quality, tooling, engineering and planning experts reside in China providing on-site training for building Boeing parts and assemblies. The emphasis is on training to world-class standards to ensure safe, reliable, high-quality assemblies at competitive prices." So there we have it. Modern technology is being exported to China by one of the USA's favourite firms. pot, meet kettle.
I never said that investement in China was a bad thing now did I? I never said that China would attack anyone. But the possiblity grows as the tech gap militarily closes. I have no problems with open trade with China. I do have a problem with selling weapons to a country with a myriad of Human Rights infractions. And who has all but made clear that they plan on taking back Tawain.
And military capacity is related to industrial capacity, and having hordes of trained plane making engineers can be without too much effort translated into being able to design and manufacture up to date military aircraft. Training up locals helps narrow the technology gap. The fact that at the moment its easier to buy the stuff from abroad is merely a momentary gap. However, the few problems that do suggest that CHina would have troubel mobilising for war are that it has India to contend with in terms of population, and it has to import much of its raw materials for its industry, eg. oil. Thus even a militarily advanced china would have to be careful.
Oh man, there's so much hypocrisy in there that one hardly knows where to begin! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Glad to see that pointed out. To argue against the arms trade to China is nothing but hypocrasy. Or those who make it clear that they plan to invade Syria, Iran, and god knows who else. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! - N
PNAP your argument is SOULY on human rights abuses right? try looking in your own back yard first. Gunatanimo bay, the homeland security bill, the way you treat your unemployed, your health care system. ALL of these could be concidered barbaric from another countrys point of view so it really IS the pot calling the kettle black
