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w1z4rd
04-16-07, 03:29 AM
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=304781&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__africa/

16 April 2007 07:13
Tagalo Hassan had no idea that the horrific violence of Darfur had spread like a stain across the border into Chad and had been creeping towards his village for months.

Being three years old, he could not have understood what was happening when the shooting started before dawn, or when a bullet shattered his right leg and cut a groove in his left.

The attack was carried out by Sudanese Arab horsemen, the feared Janjaweed, and their Chadian allies seeking to oust the government in the capital, Ndjamena. But there was no one on hand to explain any of that to Tagalo. His father had fled, thinking the boy was with his mother and baby brother. The baby was dead, however, and his mother had been crippled in the same hail of bullets. Tagalo was found lying alone by Italian relief workers.

The massacres in Tiero, where Tagalo lived, and the neighbouring village of Marena, near the Sudanese border, killed about 400 people. The numbers are unclear because many of the bodies are still lying in the bush. The killings are a blood-red signal that the culture of mass murder as a weapon of war has found its way to Chad, after four years in Darfur uninterrupted by the global community.

The widening of the conflict threatens, in turn, to trigger a new humanitarian disaster. The shock of the Tiero and Marena attacks sent more than 10 000 villagers from the immediate area fleeing into the bush, bringing to about 140 000 the number of Chadians uprooted by the violence. Many -- particularly women and children -- died of thirst on the road, having left in too much of a hurry to take water.

Those that survived will have to share the available food aid with quarter of a million Darfuri refugees, and there may not be enough to go round.

Pauline Bellaman, Oxfam's programme manager in the area, described the situation as "catastrophic", with barely two months left before the rainy season makes food delivery impossible.

"Even if the international community gets mobilised to provide the funds to bring in the food, it's going to be a logistical nightmare to get it to the right place at the right time," she said.

Massacres
Oxfam is launching a public appeal on Monday in the race to cope with the crisis, which is growing with every passing day. The massacres at Tiero and Marena took place two weeks ago but there are still stragglers arriving at the relief camps, after days walking in temperatures of 45C.

Now, the survivors are telling the story for the first time, giving some clues as to how the violence is spreading westwards.

"First the Janjaweed came, on horse and on camel, and then the rebels, with heavy arms and vehicles," said Tagalo's father, Hassan Ahmed Abubakar. He was reunited with the wounded boy a few days ago in Goz Beida hospital, a squat concrete block with just a handful of wards for the most urgent cases.

After being bandaged up, Tagalo was consigned to a canvas tent outside, where his father sat fanning the flies from his face. The three-year-old winced and writhed from the discomfort, and cried for his mother, who is in a hospital hundreds of kilometres away.

Other survivors in Goz Beida and at the camps that have sprung up around the town of Kou Kou 32km to the south-east, all agree that the attack came in coordinated waves.

Maki Yacoub Bourma, also from Tiero, said the village's small self-defence force had held off the first Janjaweed attack, but was then overwhelmed when the rebels arrived in military vehicles with heavy weapons, including multiple rocket launchers and jeep-mounted machine guns.

"The Janjaweed came at 5.30[am]", Bourma said. "The rebels came at eight and by 10 it was over."

The attackers worked their way through the village killing anyone they could see. Bourma's younger brother, Hassan, was shot in the head.

Factions opposed to President Idriss Déby have long been active in the east. Last year, they almost took Ndjamena on the other side of the country.

The people in this part of Chad, the Dajo, refused to join the rebels and so in theory made themselves targets too. But brutality on this scale still came as a shock.

The new bloodlust seems to have been forged from the volatile alliance between the well-equipped rebels and the Janjaweed, who have made scorched earth their trademark in Darfur. Similarly, the villagers say they coexisted peacefully with the local Arab herders for generations until they too were recruited into the Janjaweed militias over the last few years

"The problem is brought from Sudan. Everybody knows it comes from Sudan," Bourma said.

A UN investigation has found substantial evidence that the Sudanese government is supporting the Janjaweed, while the Chadian rebels operate with impunity from inside Sudan. Meanwhile, Khartoum accuses the Déby government of sponsoring a Darfur-based rebellion against its rule.

In short, Tiero and Marena were caught in the middle of a proxy war, exploiting the chronic tensions between farmer and herdsman, African and Arab.

There are no more Arab faces to be seen in the markets of eastern Chad. An Arab encampment by Kou Kou now lies abandoned, after its inhabitants fled in fear of reprisal killings.

Shelter
As the ethnic cleansing gathers pace, their place has been taken by African villagers from Tiero and Marena and other wrecked villages, taking shelter under the thorn trees and the dull silver of United Nations plastic sheeting.

The aid appeal will help keep them alive but it will not prevent more massacres. The negotiations over a UN protection force have dragged on for months as President Déby and his Sudanese counterpart, Omar al-Bashir, have dragged their heels. The Libyan leader, Moammar Gadaffi, is also manoeuvring to stop UN troops, fearful they might turn out to be a Trojan horse for Western influence. He has sent his own expeditionary force to the region.

The French also have a 1 200-strong garrison in the area, but they have so far done nothing to stop the killing.

There are no shortage of national interests being represented in this chokingly hot, dusty corner of Africa, but none seem interested in stopping the slaughter.

Backstory
The wave of killing in the heart of Africa has its roots in 2003 in Darfur, where ethnic African tribes staged a revolt against Khartoum, after years of neglect and discrimination. In its response, the Sudanese government mobilised and armed Arab herders in raiding parties. The raiders called themselves Janjaweed. Using rape, pillage and mass murder as weapons of war, the Janjaweed killed 200 000 people, mostly civilians and drove about 2,5-million from their homes and villages. The Janjaweed have now followed the refugees into Chad, and made alliances with anti-government rebels there. Both forces have now started targeting villages that they view as being supporters of the regime in Ndjamena. There is a small African Union force present in Darfur, but it has no mandate to intervene. Negotiations on sending UN peacekeeping forces to Darfur and Chad have met with resistance from both Khartoum and Ndjamena. - Guardian Unlimited © Guardian News and Media Limited 2007

iam
04-16-07, 04:49 AM
there is no excuse. i don't know why people don't try to help.

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 04:58 AM
its israel fault. lets nuke it, that will solve all the problems of the mid east.

Zakariya04
04-16-07, 01:32 PM
its israel fault. lets nuke it, that will solve all the problems of the mid east.

mr spock,

thank you for your analysis of the situation... it is quite worrying as you dont seem to have learnt much on Siciforums and dont appear to have grown up in the slightest.

i am interested to know who would nuke Israel anyway? Apart from Pakistan no muslim nation has nukes and if they did it would be suicidal for any nation (baring the US, Russia and china to an extent) muslim or non muslim to attack israel, in the region, as israel has its nuclear arsenal targetted at every m,iddle east capital, and is in the top 5 of biggest nuclear powers.

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take it ez
zak

Zakariya04
04-16-07, 01:33 PM
Dear Wizard

It is indeed disgusting and thank you for posting this thread.

The power of politics is absolutely vile.

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take it ez
zak

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 01:49 PM
mr spock,

thank you for your analysis of the situation... it is quite worrying as you dont seem to have learnt much on Siciforums and dont appear to have grown up in the slightest.

i am interested to know who would nuke Israel anyway? Apart from Pakistan no muslim nation has nukes and if they did it would be suicidal for any nation (baring the US, Russia and china to an extent) muslim or non muslim to attack israel, in the region, as israel has its nuclear arsenal targetted at every m,iddle east capital, and is in the top 5 of biggest nuclear powers.

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take it ez
zak

not grown up? i just believe israel is the main problem of the middle east. its judofascist who are causing the muslims to fight one another, not he muslims themselves, its not like we jews give them any choice.

as for darfur there is a big debate in israel what can we do to help them. many people here feel as if we as persecuted have the moral obligation to help them, and sending them food to relieve our conscience is not enough.

Zakariya04
04-16-07, 01:58 PM
Dear Mr Spock thank you for gettibng back to me
not grown up?
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lets see shall we

i just believe israel is the main problem of the middle east. its judofascist who are causing the muslims to fight one another, not he muslims themselves, its not like we jews give them any choice.
.

Thanks for the confirmation...


as for darfur there is a big debate in israel what can we do to help them. many people here feel as if we as persecuted have the moral obligation to help them, and sending them food to relieve our conscience is not enough.

Did you see my thread i started last year on darfur.

The situation their is vile,

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Take it ez
zak

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 02:03 PM
Did you see my thread i started last year on darfur.

The situation their is vile,


did you mentioned the oil there? those guys are fighting for control of it. the people living there means little to them.

Genji
04-16-07, 05:56 PM
its israel fault. lets nuke it, that will solve all the problems of the mid east.I see no clear connection to Israel with the problems in Sudan & Chad. But I would support the ethnic cleansing of Occupied Palestine. One settler = one bullet.

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 06:21 PM
I see no clear connection to Israel with the problems in Sudan & Chad. But I would support the ethnic cleansing of Occupied Palestine. One settler = one bullet.

of course you do. their jews:D

zeig heil!

http://www.bibleetnombres.online.fr/images20/salut_hitler.jpg

Genji
04-16-07, 07:01 PM
of course you do. their jews:D

zeig heil!

http://www.bibleetnombres.online.fr/images20/salut_hitler.jpgMore people hate zionists than rightwingers dumbfuck. Bait like this exemplifies the ignorance and arrogance of the zionist apologists. Long Live the Freedom Bombers!!!

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 07:32 PM
More people hate zionists than rightwingers dumbfuck. Bait like this exemplifies the ignorance and arrogance of the zionist apologists. Long Live the Freedom Bombers!!!

no no no, baits like this shows what kind of a hateful jew hater you are.
only someone of your stance can support mass murders and at the same time make himself appear a human rights supporter. theres nothing human in your views.

Genji
04-16-07, 08:08 PM
no no no, baits like this shows what kind of a hateful jew hater you are.
only someone of your stance can support mass murders and at the same time make himself appear a human rights supporter. theres nothing human in your views.You are despised by the far right AND the far left. Not to mention by MILLIONS upon MILLIONS more. You should be nicer to me kiwi. I pay Israel welfare every year through taxes.

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 08:21 PM
You are despised by the far right AND the far left. Not to mention by MILLIONS upon MILLIONS more. You should be nicer to me kiwi. I pay Israel welfare every year through taxes.

im despised by sick people like you. if there are millions of those, the so be it. i dont care less.


i prefer to be despised by billions, then wake up one day and be you.
and i dont want or need your welfare money, especially if you wave it in my face. dont pay your taxes, stop whining about that. your tax payer money are given to palestinians as well as to arabs. so get over your hate and get a life.

Genji
04-16-07, 08:25 PM
im despised by sick people like you. if there are millions of those, the so be it. i dont care less.


i prefer to be despised by billions, then wake up one day and be you.
and i dont want or need your welfare money, especially if you wave it in my face. dont pay your taxes, stop whining about that. your tax payer money are given to palestinians as well as to arabs. so get over your hate and get a life.As long as I work for a living the zionists feed on my tax dollars to murder non Jews. I have EVERY right to bitch about subsidizing a failed state like Israel. If ONLY my $$$ went to the enemies of Judeofascism! I would offer more money to my government. Now get back to your holocaust weeping.

Blue_UK
04-16-07, 08:31 PM
Seriously, Genji. The Jews are questionable, but they're infinitely preferable to the 'others'. Haven't you seen the film 'Munich'?

Genji
04-16-07, 08:33 PM
Seriously, Genji. The Jews are questionable, but they're infinitely preferable to the 'others'. Haven't you seen the film 'Munich'?
"Superior" to the others?? I couldn't agree with that with an IDF gun to my head. No, I never saw Munich. I'm not a fan of Judeofascist death squads funded by my tax dollars. It was another weep for the pitiful Jews movie. I'll pass.

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 08:35 PM
As long as I work for a living the zionists feed on my tax dollars to murder non Jews. I have EVERY right to bitch about subsidizing a failed state like Israel. If ONLY my $$$ went to the enemies of Judeofascism! I would offer more money to my government. Now get back to your holocaust weeping.

do you read? because your money is being given to arabs and palestinians.
trust me, nobody wants your money, and nobody needs any favors from you. but then, you have no problem giving your money to israel enemies which happen to be a dictatorship states. so....thats pretty dumb.

Genji
04-16-07, 08:37 PM
do you read? because your money is being given to arabs and palestinians.
trust me, nobody wants your money, and nobody needs any favors from you. but then, you have no problem giving your money to israel enemies which happen to be a dictatorship states. so....thats pretty dumb.Etnically Cleanse Occupied Palestine.

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 08:38 PM
"Superior" to the others?? I couldn't agree with that with an IDF gun to my head. No, I never saw Munich. I'm not a fan of Judeofascist death squads funded by my tax dollars. It was another weep for the pitiful Jews movie. I'll pass.

you know, to my surprise i read this and my first thought was-> who gives a fuck what you think. :D

you can shove your jew phobia where you usually seat. ;)

Genji
04-16-07, 08:40 PM
you know, to my surprise i read this and my first thought was-> who gives a fuck what you think. :D

you can shove your jew phobia where you usually seat. ;)That might even feel good!

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 08:42 PM
Etnically Cleanse Occupied Palestine.

so you can combine 3 words into a sentence, good for you!

Mr.Spock
04-16-07, 08:42 PM
That might even feel good!

keep your fantasies to yourself. :puke:

terryoh
04-16-07, 10:14 PM
America attacks Iraq because Saddam had non-existent ties to terrorism and was accused of torturing people who opposed him.

Well guess what? The jinjaweed in Sudan are Arab Muslims who are MASSACRING thousands of people. Not just torture. Literally ending their lives.

Why isn't the War on Terror being spread into the Sudan? Bush could really lend credibility to the War on Terror if he invades Sudan, meaning he won't. Bush stated in 2001 that the War on Terror would be against ALL TERRORISTS.

Oh well, while the world ignores the plight of Black Africans in Sudan and Chad, they die by the thousands at the hands of some vicious Muslim terrorists.

Genji
04-16-07, 10:42 PM
America attacks Iraq because Saddam had non-existent ties to terrorism and was accused of torturing people who opposed him.

Well guess what? The jinjaweed in Sudan are Arab Muslims who are MASSACRING thousands of people. Not just torture. Literally ending their lives.

Why isn't the War on Terror being spread into the Sudan? Bush could really lend credibility to the War on Terror if he invades Sudan, meaning he won't. Bush stated in 2001 that the War on Terror would be against ALL TERRORISTS.

Oh well, while the world ignores the plight of Black Africans in Sudan and Chad, they die by the thousands at the hands of some vicious Muslim terrorists.If only black Africans had developed oil infrastructure, then there would be a call to bring Freeeeedom to the masses, like in Iraq.

Zakariya04
04-17-07, 01:56 AM
did you mentioned the oil there? those guys are fighting for control of it. the people living there means little to them.
Hello Mr SPock

I hope all is well with you

yes i did talk about the oil, apparently one of the reasons why the sudanese government do not want a Un peace keeping force is cos they are working out a multi-billion pound OIL contract with china

I agree the politics economics land and power always come first and the normal people are very distant 2nd or probably 100th

I see no clear connection to Israel with the problems in Sudan & Chad. But I would support the ethnic cleansing of Occupied Palestine. One settler = one bullet.

Dear Genji,

hows it going?

I could not see the connection either, and it really is an odd tactic of Predators to use.

However your idea for the settlers in occupied Palestine is a disgusting joke. the killing out there must stop, the normal people do not need more killings.
When both sides realise that they are both to blame, then theire could be progress. |We must remeber the palestinians (as in officials)have fucked enopugh things up and fallen into several traps time and time again, the Israelis (as in officials) too should be ashamed of themselves with their bullsghit lies and agressive tactics.

When will the leaders in this entire region think about the normal fucking people who want to lvie normal fucking lives i dont know.





Oh well, while the world ignores the plight of Black Africans in Sudan and Chad, they die by the thousands at the hands of some vicious Muslim terrorists.


Dear Terry

Thank you for your feedback on this topic.

Sudan and chad has nothing to do with race or religion buit as predator pointed out everythign to do with oil. Aliong with oil you also have the lust for power whether over land or economics etc..

Please remember and i very ashamedly have to say this, it is muslim killing muslim in sudan, so much for the Umra.

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zak

w1z4rd
04-19-07, 07:04 AM
This is about religion/oil motivated genocide in africa and you lot are talking about the fsking jews? o . m . g .

Its ethnic islamic slaughter against african tribesman. No jews.

Its also happening in Nigeria.

Zakariya04
04-19-07, 08:18 AM
This is about religion/oil motivated genocide in africa and you lot are talking about the fsking jews? o . m . g .

Its ethnic islamic slaughter against african tribesman. No jews.

Its also happening in Nigeria.

Dear Wizard,
I hope all si well.

This is about oil, politicsa and other eocnmoic factors it has nothing to do with race or religion

What do you mean by Islamic sluaghter when on both sides you have muslims. I again am ashamed to say it but muslims are killing muslims out there, also some non muslims are getting killed, which is equally disgusting.

Nigeria has quite a lot of oil too.

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zak

w1z4rd
04-19-07, 10:49 AM
Dear Wizard,
I hope all si well.

This is about oil, politicsa and other eocnmoic factors it has nothing to do with race or religion

What do you mean by Islamic sluaghter when on both sides you have muslims. I again am ashamed to say it but muslims are killing muslims out there, also some non muslims are getting killed, which is equally disgusting.

Nigeria has quite a lot of oil too.

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take it ez
zak

How come most of the countries in africa with oil seem to be having religious problems?

IceAgeCivilizations
04-19-07, 10:53 AM
Hey Genji, why don't you move to Afghanistan or Pakistan, you'd be The Man over there.

Zakariya04
04-19-07, 11:59 AM
How come most of the countries in africa with oil seem to be having religious problems?

Dear Wizard,

its all about the Oil, religioon is just nice for bastard leaders to use for their own evil to fuck up the normal person

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take it ez
zak