Got to see the pilot... well, the first half last night... so no spoilers!

I thought it was pretty good, although the uniforms a bit yuck. Theme was a bit to fluffy too. I liked the niggly relationship between the Vulcans and the humans...that seemed totally plausible. I may have missed it, but what species is the doctor? Seems almost Cardassian to me, but much too pleasant.

I don't think Dr. Flox's species was in the other series.

I thought the pilot was one of the better episodes... there've been a few other good ones, especially lately, but there were also a lot of mediocre ones that seemed overly simplistic and not very well written IMHO.

I just flat out don't like the series :(

*sits back and waits for the next ST series to come out*

I do not like it at all either. The captain is not appealing whatsoever. I know that the 'aim' of the series is to make the characters more 'down to earth' and people like, but I think that it massively takes away from the intriguing superiority that the Next Generation, by best example, holds.

It is simply not exciting either. The characters are not exciting, and there is no characterization either.

I just think they should bring back the next generation, after all I was really disapointed to hear that Star Trek 10 is going to be the last with the generation crew. What's next? DS9? Voyager? Or...nothing?

I say stop with the movies and bring back the best of the five series, next generation. Voyager or DS9 would make horrible movies, the first one finished its plot and the second was unpopular. Enterprise is out of the question because its still new. I haven't seen it since I don't get UPN (satellite tv), and I hardly saw any of voyager, but I heard the theme song really sucks.

elektrikmagik,

welcome to sciforums.

Here in the UK we've seen about the first five so far.
It seems more star wars than star trek.
This is not a happy state of affairs.

About Voyager not making a decent film...
I think that, depending upon the story of the film, Voyager would hold as much potential as TNG.
Before generations, I couldn't visualise the series making the transition.

Voyager and the Borg.
It'd sell and sell.

*wistful sigh* gosh i liked Jean-Luc! Couldn't stand that Janeway woman, but.

Picard from First contact.
Favourite moment is in the ready room with Lily.
'You broke your little ships'.

Sweet.

Yeah, esp that was a good scene.

My favorite might be in Generations (the best star trek movie in my opinion) when Picard is surrounded by his make-believe family, the entire scene, from talking to his kids to watching the christmas ornament that looks like an exploding star (I want one!:D ).

Only the pilot has aired in Australia so far (which they showed as a two parter)

So far Archer doesn't appeal to me at all. He seems to like to bully women.

And what was the point of the decon scene except to show a bit of skin?

Voyager was the series I couldn't stand. I wanted to strangle each and every character... if I were stranded in the delta quandrant with that group, I'd shove them all out the airlock. After that Amelia Earhart episode in the first season, I managed to get free and didn't watch the series anymore.

Originally posted by Miss Chicken
And what was the point of the decon scene except to show a bit of skin?

To show a lot of skin. To be a UPN series. To appeal to typical UPN viewers. To boost ratings cheaply.

There were many good episodes after the Amelia Earhart one. Maybe Voyager wasn't as good as the other series but at least it felt like Trek.

Enterprise doesn't feel like Trek (at least not for me, so far)

I only bothered to watch the first 2 or 3 episodes of "Enterprise" but I think the series needs to be bought down to earth to be perfectly honest.
The latter half of the pilot was average trek fare, warp in, shoot up the bad guys, have a few computers explode on the bridge and beam someone out of an alien vessel before warping out again. I grew up with TNG but some of the really early episodes of it look hideous now. Some episodes of Voyager were good but some of it felt and looked too synthetic. I've said this before, but the Star Trek movies had the right feel and look. Enterprise needs to move away into something different, its too conservative at the moment.
I dont think they've changed the series enough. How many more times do we need to see a starfleet crew on another starfleet ship on another voyage through space??

Okay, okay, time out here !!

I can read you decrying enterprise all day long.
I'm happy for you to express negative thoughts on the lovely, marvelous jean-luc.

Thing is anyone who disses Janeway disses me and I piddy da fool!

Let me explain...
No-one in the history of the writers chewing pencils in smoke filled... Oh okay Evian filled rooms, ever did it. Only she was able to form an alliance with the Borg. That's one for the hardened Trekkies.
For me, Kate Mulgrew is one of the ballsiest women in the universe.

We all need a hero people.

So hands of Cpt J Or the prime directive goes in the bin... Know what I mean?

I really like Janeway too.

Of all the captains in Trek she is the one most like me :)

Make of that statement what you will:D

So you're a starfleet captain and a cat named chicken? Fascinating....(pun INTENDED, hahaha I'm such a punner...)

Yeah, Janeway is the ballsiest, but she really lets loose with her feelings all the time, while Picard, who in my opinion is the best (even though the voice of Sisko, who was the narrator for 'Walking with Dinasaurs' has a voice that is just unbelievable), never let his emotions get in the way and always kept a strong yet cool attitude toward any situation, he went 'by the book' in a very liberal way, that is, he's everything a starfleet captain could ever want to be but he's more than kirk or janeway because he always, always gets what he wants by means of intelligence, not intimidation.

And yes, I agree before they changed the uniforms in Next Gen and before Riker got a beard the Next Generation episodes were awful. I hate those ones.

The Trek series has run out of stories long time ago. Any new writer has to be careful and has a lot of constraint built in so that the stories will match past, present and future. That is too much constraint while stories like Andromeda is fresh and practically have a balnk slate.

I watched 6 episodes. Today I got another tape fedexed by my son (mine is direcTV - so no UPN) to be watched tomorrow. Hope they are better than the last set.

I think that Jean-Luc is the best captain and the best diplomat but he's not my favourite. I cannot identify with with an 'elderly', bald and somewhat bland man.

I am like Janeway because she has 'her bad days' just like me. She get grumpy when she runs out of coffee (with me its tea). Unlike Jean-Luc her decisions are not always correct etc. She is unpredictable at times.

Sisko can be interesting. He has a good sense of humour.

Kirk I have never liked that much. Particularly his attitude to women but this is more a result of the era in which TOS was made.

But so far Capt Archer has been really, really awful. I cannot find a good thing to say about him.

Kirk was what we two-thousanders like to call 'a playa.' If he didn't sleep with a woman every episode than it might've been every two.:D Starfleet captains get all the luck!

kmguru I have directv too, only I don't have a little arrangement like you do:( I haven't seen one episode of enterprise.

I agree with miss chicken in that Enterprise is a bit on the drab side, (Shower scene not withstanding)
Funny how we identify with different starfleet captains. This is yet another means of distinction between ourselves.

As spock might say...

"fascinating"

He's just too Disney if you know what I mean by that.
His attitudes and responses to situations are too homogenised.

Kirk was OK. I suppose that many of his character flaws could be attributed to the generally held opinions of the time.
And once, just once, I wish Janeway'd use the phrase Bomb them back to the stoneage.

Picard. As observed, Stewart's part improved, as did the whole show, with time. Better in the films though.

Sisko. There's something about him. He fits into the role of the Sisko from the other probability. A bit scary.

Janeway; I can't comment in full 'cause I've not seen the end of the series yet. But don't piss her off.

:)

...don't get too close either:cool:

Originally posted by Pollux V

And yes, I agree before they changed the uniforms in Next Gen and before Riker got a beard the Next Generation episodes were awful. I hate those ones.

Those were the exact ones I was thinking of. Mind you it was the first new Star Trek series for some time so it needed time to develop. Enterprise is a step in a different direction so maybe it needs some time to develop its style too. I heard recently that when TNG started, the hardcore fans who watched the series in the 60's hated the new series and decided not to watch it. Of course TNG has now gone on to become a classic, so who knows, maybe in ten years time, Enterprise will achieve a similar status if they come up with some cool stories.

Picard was probably my favourite captain, but Kirk amuses me. Always getting into fist fights and brawls with various species. Dunno how the hell he became a captain but it can be pretty damn fun watching him break out the photon torpedos against every spacial anomaly off the starboard bow.

Enterprise technology is still too far behind as if it was done in present time rather than 100 years in future. LCD screens, Push button to intercomms, no computer voice, and a lot of button pushing...

Enterprise technology is still too far behind as if it was done in present time rather than 100 years in future. LCD screens, Push button to intercomms, no computer voice, and a lot of button pushing...



Are you saying thats a bad thing? Well yeah your right, some of the technology in 'Enterprise' isnt much different from todays, but then the tech from TOS is outdated by todays standards. Just imagine what Scotty could do if he had a Pentium 4 in engineering. Besides, wasnt there a nuclear war in the middle of the 21st century that nearly wiped everyone out, maybe certain technologies got obliterated and had to be redeveloped when resources became available. Besides, If you can fire a torpedo with a big red button then so be it. There are certain advantages of having old fashioned buttons. I mean you could build an aeroplane with only touch screen displays in the cockpit, but I'm not sure any pilot would really be content with that. You wouldnt want the computer to malfunction just as you're altering the planes altitude. A good old-fashioned joystick is a proven technology that doesn't need to be messed around with. A pilot would feel more comfortable with it rather than tapping away at a screen. I think Nasa are supposed to restrict the usage of touch screen displays on their space stations and shuttles in case of a major computer crash, but dont quote me on that.

Would somebody clue me in as to what happened with Star Trek Voyager? From what I gathered they got back to earth with all of this future technology but could someone give me the specifics? Like I said before I only saw the first and second seasons, I think maybe the last episode I saw was with species 8472 (one I enjoyed at that!).

Then the wireless technology is doomed....forget 802.11 or anything that comes in the next 30 years...what about 64 bit chips now? Optical computing? Frankenfish?...:D

On my third martini and watchin' a re-run,
a little prediction popped into my brain.

Tying in Enterprise to TOS:
At the conclusion of of the Romulan War
and the birth of the United Federation of Planets,
T'pol gives birth to Sarek, father of Spock.

So I'm a loon. Time for the fourth.

Peace.

I've seen a few episodes. Enterprise is OK. When it was being broadcast, my cable company didn't carry UPN so I couldn't watch it. I catch some now in reruns thanks to TIVO...

Wow necro...

I hated Enterprise, though I've caught a few of the episodes in reruns that I refused to watch initially. As near as I can tell, the first season was "Maintenance in Space" and boring as shit. The last season seemed to have a few decent episodes though. The story arcs where they delved into the war with the genetically engineered, explained "human looking" Klingons, and showed "Enterprise from an evil parallel universe" were excellent (especially that last one). I also saw some episodes in that season that were crap...but I found myself regreting my complete rejection of the series. I'm told that the other seasons were more like the first than like the last (though with more random deus ex machina time travely crap), so perhaps I just happened to see all the decent episodes.

Got to see the pilot... well, the first half last night... so no spoilers!

I thought it was pretty good, although the uniforms a bit yuck. Theme was a bit to fluffy too. I liked the niggly relationship between the Vulcans and the humans...that seemed totally plausible. I may have missed it, but what species is the doctor? Seems almost Cardassian to me, but much too pleasant.
i've seen a couple of episodes of enterprise and a couple of voyager.
given the choice of buying an entire season of either i would buy "voyager"

Enterprise is a bit too corny if you ask me, TNG at least had failures and prejudices..
The show might not have the best acting either.

I just flat out don't like the series :(

*sits back and waits for the next ST series to come out*
Whelp, 5 years ago I figured Enterprise was in for a bad run, but who'd have guessed it would take the future of Star Trek down with it :shrug:

IMO TNG is still the best Trek series, I don't have high hopes for this new movie they're working on but hopefully it'll be enough to spawn a new series somewhere down the line.

I still think, ST needs to move forward rather than backward. If they can start a new series with the same time line as Voyger or even start after Voyger came back....that would be great. That way, they can still use the actors of Voyger from time to time as guest appearance while get a fresh perspective with super armor for a new class of star ships and new enemies. They can even bring back the Zindi...why waste the models and movie sets.

They can even revisit Q, other places that was shown in other ST series of past...there is no limit to imagination....but there is for the ST series owners.

I may have missed it, but what species is the doctor?Doctor Phlox is a Denobulan (sp?). His species does not appear in the future series, but it's not the only one. We've never seen those cute blue critters with the wiggly antennae, either. Perhaps they chose neither to join the Federation nor to become our mortal enemies, so they don't figure in the plots.Voyager or DS9 would make horrible movies, the first one finished its plot and the second was unpopular.DS9's plot finished too. I guess I'd better not give away the ending but it is completely and totally over.I hardly saw any of Voyager, but I heard the theme song really sucks.No TV theme song in recent memory sucks as bad as Enterprise. At least Voyager had Jeri Ryan in her best role ever.I really like Janeway too. Of all the captains in Trek she is the one most like me.That was a real Venus/Mars thing. Captain Picard was the daddy, taking his kids out on exciting, dangerous adventures far from home. Captain Janeway was the mommy, her single purpose in life was to bring her kids safely home. I thought it was kind of sweet.That is too much constraint while stories like Andromeda are fresh and practically have a blank slate.You must be watching Andromeda in some other country where you're getting the first couple of seasons. It ran out of steam fast. Two of the most interesting characters left and a third underwent a complete personality change, while the writers got really lazy. Don't fall in love with it, it was a crushing disappointment. I guess it's over now but I couldn't watch it for several years.

I guess Earth:Final Conflict was good fiction, my wife the English major loved it. But I couldn't follow it, I kept having to ask her to explain it to me.Enterprise technology is still too far behind as if it was done in present time rather than 100 years in future. LCD screens, Push button to intercomms, no computer voice, and a lot of button pushing...They had a real problem because the technology had to look more primitive than Kirk's series, and that stuff was pretty hokey.

You should have seen the stuff we had back in the 1950s, like Tom Corbett:Space Cadet. It even looked hokey at the time.IMO TNG is still the best Trek series.I agree. It's the only one that is in a class with Babylon 5 and Farscape. Real drama, real philosophy, real characters. There must be twenty episodes of TNG that I will remember in vivid detail for the rest of my life, because they were so moving. For example, the one when Picard lived an entire life on the planet that was about to get fried, and when he woke up his little flute was orbiting the Enterprise as a souvenir of the experience. They had some great trials, Ardra for having functioned as a god, and Data to decide whether he could be torn down for science.

Great dialog. We keep a book of quotes from TV shows and we've got more from TNG than anything else. I often quote Counselor Troi to young couples: "Marriage is a commitment to share who you are with another person." Doctor Crusher's words often come to mind too: "Well, if there's nothing wrong with me, then there must be something wrong with the universe.I still think, ST needs to move forward rather than backward. If they can start a new series with the same time line as Voyager or even start after Voyager came back....that would be great. That way, they can still use the actors of Voyager from time to time as guest appearance while get a fresh perspective with super armor for a new class of star ships and new enemies.Voyager was getting really dismal ratings. A typical episode was lucky to draw three and a half million viewers. Nobody's going to bring that one back.

I think they're going to be forced to do a TNG thing and skip forward by quite a few years until nobody but Data and Q can still be around. Start over and try again. It worked very well the last time! Of course they had Patrick Stewart. :)There is no limit to imagination....but there is for the ST series owners.It's a business and it has to make a profit to stay in business. They just haven't been able to put a series together that draws in the audience of TNG. And we all know what its secret was: TV Guide ran a poll to see who women thought was the sexiest man on TV, and Patrick Stewart won! TNG brought in the female viewers, which is not easy for sci fi. My wife dragged me to every one of his one-man-show appearances in L.A. Can't say I minded, he really is a pretty cool dude. I'd rather be thrown over for him than some football doofus.

That was Stargate's secret too. Richard Dean Anderson is apparently the kind of guy real women swoon over, as opposed to the ones they go for in movie plots.

Doctor Phlox is a Denobulan (sp?). His species does not appear in the future series, but it's not the only one. We've never seen those cute blue critters with the wiggly antennae, either. Perhaps they chose neither to join the Federation nor to become our mortal enemies, so they don't figure in the plots.
You're wrong about the blue guys with the antenas. There was an episode of the original Star Trek where some spy pretended to be one of the blue guys and had something hidden in his fake antena.

Voyager was getting really dismal ratings. A typical episode was lucky to draw three and a half million viewers. Nobody's going to bring that one back.

I think they're going to be forced to do a TNG thing and skip forward by quite a few years until nobody but Data and Q can still be around. Start over and try again. It worked very well the last time! Of course they had Patrick Stewart.

I was not talking about Voyger, but the same time line around Earth and alpha quadrant. Even DS9 went well. I did not have too much to complain about.

It's a business and it has to make a profit to stay in business. They just haven't been able to put a series together that draws in the audience of TNG.

Exactly. They should learn from the successes of other shows like Stargate, Babylon 5 etc.

Enterprise was a rollercoaster. But almost all of the good episodes were written by Manny Coto, so if you can hold out until Season 3, you'll have a much better time.

This is the weirdest coincidence. When I was watching the Matrix Trilogy, then the Aliens' Quadrilogy, Dune, and now the whole series of Enterprise, someone started or revived a thread about each one of them, respectively. Too too much.

Anyways, yeah, I was always a Star Trek fan before anything else. And I love them all (except for DS9). I never had reason to complain about Enterprise. I sank into it and put it in its place. The visuals are the best of all the other series: industrial, plausible, functionable. And I agree with the chemistry between the characters. Any bad script was easily well handled by all of them.