As far as enlightenment is concerned, there is no tenet, save one; except it delivers information, it is of no use, for enlightenment is nothing, if not grounded fully in information.

Enlightenment is information that has been recognized (one becomes aware of), processed (thought through, reasoned out, comprehended), integrated (made part of one’s operating system, one’s habitual thought processes) and utilized (lived out, experienced first hand) - therefore it may be said that enlightenment is the gathering, processing, integration and utilization of information - or put yet another way, enlightenment is information that has been received, understood, assimilated and acted upon. Once acted upon, enlightenment builds neuro-passageways throughout the brain that can then be passed down from generation to generation via the genetic building blocks of heredity. Genetic material is a vehicle, a carrier – a carrier that can be made us of, where enlightenment is concerned.

Bravo!

I really don't know what to say. Perhaps I should just get down on my knees and give thanks to the great Jocariah for providing me with non-sense?

my kids will listen to metal

Jocariah,

did they kick you out of pseudoscience?

Originally posted by Elbaz
Bravo!

I really don't know what to say. Perhaps I should just get down on my knees and give thanks to the great Jocariah for providing me with non-sense?

These were but by opening remarks to what I had planned on saying regarding enlightenment.

How is it that you are able to comment so effectively on my opening remarks? Is it that you understand what it is that I have planned on saying?

Maybe you should tell me, since you have decided to comment herein, your thoughts on enlightenment - so that together, we may both see clearly our thoughts on this subject.

Or is it that you no intention of offering up your thoughts and ideas on this matter, but merely criticize mine?

Simply because you do not see something doesn't mean that something is not there.

Jocariah, what's the point of this cross posting? You've already posted this in pseudoscience, and it failed there, why do you think that things are going to be any better here?

ok, what the shit are you smoking? Take a look at Tau-te ching, Lau-tzu's Five Thousand Words, or anything concerning Buddhism. You've got the basic gist of of it, but you've got to much of a linear out look. Its not like reading a book or watching a film, its an awakening, a supreme knowledge. Please, if you or anyone wants to comment on subject, dont do so like an ass, know what your talking about.

Originally posted by Aries
ok, what the shit are you smoking? Take a look at Tau-te ching, Lau-tzu's Five Thousand Words, or anything concerning Buddhism. You've got the basic gist of of it, but you've got to much of a linear out look. Its not like reading a book or watching a film, its an awakening, a supreme knowledge. Please, if you or anyone wants to comment on subject, dont do so like an ass, know what your talking about.

Hello Aries,

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

These are simply my ideas; there are no absolutes here. If they align with the ideas of others, so be it.

In particular, your comments; "Please, if you or anyone wants to comment on subject, don’t do so like an ass, know what you’re talking about."

Know what I'm talking about - according to whom? Someone else's ideas or phylosophy? Some pre-established doctrine of some sort that you are familiar with?

Enlightenment is a subject that I decided to write about - these are simply my ideas. Comparing them to the ideas of another, and then saying for me to know these other ideas on enlightenment that you are familiar with, so as not for me to "do so like an ass", makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Tell me your ideas on enlightenment - why reference the ideas of others. It’s your ideas that I am interested in.

If you have no ideas, why comment?

There are no prior ideas or doctrines, that I am aware of, that hold the patent on enlightenment.

Cheers

Initially, I thought this "enlightenment" thread was about the state of being described in New Age books and Buddhism. But the way you presented it really seems like you could have replaced the word enlightenment with "learning" in every instance. There is a huge difference. As for enlightenment being able to carry learned behaviors through DNA I've never heard of. I'd like to hear more about this.

Originally posted by Mystech
Jocariah, what's the point of this cross posting? You've already posted this in pseudoscience, and it failed there, why do you think that things are going to be any better here?

With all due respect, nor wishing to be perceived as being rude, I see no point whatsoever in perusing discourse of any kind. I find your manner both offensive and condescending. I’m sure there are others within this forum that are willing to engage you in this combative style of yours.

Bon appétit

I would like to thank all those who have posted in this thread for a collosal waste of my time. I'd also like to give thanks to all those who suported them through childhood, that vulnerable time which shaped them into the posting machines that they are. I would also like to state that i do not wish you dead for the sole reason that the number of man hours that went into raising you would make it so wastly that i just can't think of, pfft omg. Anyways, thank you.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
Jocariah,

did they kick you out of pseudoscience?

bwahaaha

i grow fonder of you everyday

Originally posted by apendrapew
Initially, I thought this "enlightenment" thread was about the state of being described in New Age books and Buddhism. But the way you presented it really seems like you could have replaced the word enlightenment with "learning" in every instance. There is a huge difference. As for enlightenment being able to carry learned behaviors through DNA I've never heard of. I'd like to hear more about this.

Hello apendrapew,

Thank you for taking the time to comment.

Before I respond more directly to your remarks, I ask that you might first afford me the opportunity of replying over several posts, and that I may start by stating the following:

There is no axiom, no truism that can sum up enlightenment, but if there were a single word that could be applied to it, to quantify its root source, the core or thread running through it, it would most probably be genetics.

Genetics is responsible for all things human, all things that appear to us as tendencies, traits, behavior patterns and such – for even learned behavior patterns are transferred into our genetic make-up as we live and record the events of our life.

“Enlightenment is the gathering, processing, integration and utilization of information - or put another way, enlightenment is information that has been received, understood, assimilated and then acted upon.”

As we integrate and assimilate enlightenment then, it is transferred and recorded in our very genetic make-up, which can then be passed down through the generations, from one generation to the next, and so on and so forth – with each passing generation becoming more enlightened.

apendrapew,

One of the great things about presenting one’s own ideas is that by so doing, we are afforded the opportunity to define the concepts presented as we see fit.

We need not rely on terms, keywords, phrases or the like, that have pre-established definitions. We can, if afforded the opportunity, add a new definition or meaning to whatever word or phrase we choose.

That is why for my first post I defined my use of the term enlightenment.

So as to build a foundation of sorts for further discussion.

Originally posted by Jocariah
Simply because you do not see something doesn't mean that something is not there.

I used to think that way about oxygen but because I can't see it I have suffocated through 30 seperate lives so I don't think oxygen is really there... hmmm.. or maybe its those damn plastic bags I keep putting over my head. :p

apendrapew,

But the way you presented it really seems like you could have replaced the word enlightenment with "learning" in every instance.

Main Entry: learn·ing
Function: noun
1 : the act or experience of one that learns
2 : knowledge or skill acquired by instruction or study
3 : modification of a behavioral tendency by experience (as exposure to conditioning)

Main Entry: learn
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): learned 'lernd, 'lernt/; learn·ing
1 a (1) : to gain knowledge or understanding of or skill in by study, instruction, or experience <learn a trade> (2) : MEMORIZE <learn the lines of a play> b : to come to be able <learn to dance> c : to come to realize <learned that honesty paid .


Main Entry: in·for·ma·tion
Function: noun
1 : the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence
2 a (1) : knowledge obtained from investigation, study, or instruction (2) : INTELLIGENCE, NEWS (3) : FACTS, DATA b : the attribute inherent in and communicated by one of two or more alternative sequences or arrangements of something (as nucleotides in DNA or binary digits in a computer program) that produce specific effects c (1) : a signal or character (as in a communication system or computer) representing data (2) : something (as a message, experimental data, or a picture) which justifies change in a construct (as a plan or theory) that represents physical or mental experience or another construct d : a quantitative measure of the content of information; specifically : a numerical quantity that measures the uncertainty in the outcome of an experiment to be performed

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"Learning" relates to enlightenment via information.

Enlightenment is an ongoing process; ongoing within the individual, and ongoing within the development of mankind.

We humans are not stagnant, we are flowing, moving creatures, from birth until death, we radiate a frequency based on the amount of information or knowledge we maintain or are able to house.

apendrapew,


" There is a huge difference. As for enlightenment being able to carry learned behaviors through DNA I've never heard of. "

Genetic structure establishes, by its very nature, parameters with which it follows. Trains operate on tracks, lay the track and the train in turn has a means, a parameter, in which to operate. Creator gods, for lack of a more universally recognizable or mutually agreed upon term, create with the means that they are familiar with, the material with which they have at hand, the building blocks as it were, that they are used to working with; in our case genetic material.

Once designed, genetically based systems, such as us, can be tweaked or altered, primarily by genetic manipulation, but also by the effects, or influences, of time and environment (which includes the acquisition of information on our part) as well - (as a side note here, the genetic systems ability to be effected by environmental influences over time, was and is a feature or aspect designed in to these very systems from the start).

Have you ever laughed? ;)

Jocariah

SEE HOW MUCH SICKNESS IS WIDESPREAD THROUGH THE MINDS OF THE POTENTIAL TEACHERS AND PARENTS OF CHILDREN

THERE ARE ONLY A FEW WAYS THIS CAN BE DEALT WITH
WARS have always been used by the retarded to deal with fears
however this is self defeating for an educational aproach
given the enormity of the situation

the education systems are fataly flawed
and used as hunting grounds by those who have posted on this thread with self proclaimed subjegational arrogant small minded intent
these people are not fit to be parents
yet are allowed to breed and educate others with thier poisened minds

what is your suggestion to combat this fatal flaw obviousely PEACEFUL RESOLUTION IS CRITICAL FOR mental retardation like these people have but how would one achive it without stopping the wheels of industry
maybe selective reprogramming area by area with travel ristrictions

OR TO TAKE COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEMS
would be another easyer way and outlaw all private schools
for children under 18 years of age

since when did mentaly ill people voleunteer for the correct therapy?
if you see my point
GOOD LUCK
youl need it :D

my personal beliefe is to take control and re-structure the schools and allow it to be bred out with the next 3 or so generations

groove on all :)

Jocariah, I see your points here. But I would like to point out that when you spoke of enlightenment, a term that has been used for the same manner for centuries uncounted, I thought only that you were speaking in relation to that sence. I was unaware that you were stating your own opinions on the matter. But we will speak of this later, I have to go.

Hey, Jocariah. Are you just pontificating, or are the ideas you're expressing acually part of something you believe to be an underlying truth?

Enlightenment: Buddhism & Hinduism. A blessed state in which the individual transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana.

Maybe you could make up a different word for what you're describing because it, and enlightenment seem to be independent of one another.

Main Entry: en·light·en·ment
Pronunciation: in-'lI-t&n-m&nt, en-
Function: noun
Date: 1669
1 : the act or means of enlightening : the state of being enlightened
2 capitalized : a philosophic movement of the 18th century marked by a rejection of traditional social, religious, and political ideas and an emphasis on rationalism -- used with the
3 Buddhism : a final blessed state marked by the absence of desire or suffering

Which dictionary did you use?

Originally posted by Binary
Main Entry: en·light·en·ment
Pronunciation: in-'lI-t&n-m&nt, en-
Function: noun
Date: 1669
1 : the act or means of enlightening : the state of being enlightened
2 capitalized : a philosophic movement of the 18th century marked by a rejection of traditional social, religious, and political ideas and an emphasis on rationalism -- used with the
3 Buddhism : a final blessed state marked by the absence of desire or suffering

Which dictionary did you use?

www.dictionary.com

There is an aspect to enlightenment that involves the living out. That is meant to say, that without the living out of enlightenment, there can be no enlightenment.

Simply intellectualizing about a matter is not the same as living it out in real time.

As I stated in my initial post, “enlightenment is information that has been received, understood, assimilated and acted upon.”

Without acting upon it, it will never go about to manifest in one’s life.

Originally posted by Jocariah
With all due respect, nor wishing to be perceived as being rude, I see no point whatsoever in perusing discourse of any kind. I find your manner both offensive and condescending. I’m sure there are others within this forum that are willing to engage you in this combative style of yours.

Bon appétit

*eats Jocariah*

Originally posted by Binary
Hey, Jocariah. Are you just pontificating, or are the ideas you're expressing acually part of something you believe to be an underlying truth?

Hello Binary,

I see them simply as ideas that I have, that I have developed over many years; I neither believe nor disbelieve them, to me they are merely ideas. In terms of any "underlying truth", historically, it seems to me that many mutually agreed upon truths have had a way of changing on us.

Cheers

Originally posted by apendrapew
" Enlightenment: Buddhism & Hinduism. A blessed state in which the individual transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana. .."

Hello apendrapew,

How is this "blessed state" you mention attained, in a practical sense that is?

In my definition, "enlightenment is information that has been received, understood, assimilated and acted upon."

Cheers

Following the Buddhist teachings, Enlightenment is attained through the dissosiation of suffering and material things, through disciplin and meditation. But Nirvana can mean many things, a place of nothingness, serene inner peace, etc.

...that can then be passed down from generation to generation via the genetic building blocks of heredity. For a start I think it's been shown how life experiences do not effect genetics, hence when that experimenter (I forget his name) cut off the tails for hundreds or thousands of generations of rats, the baby rats still continue to grow tails. Thoughts otherwise show Lamarkian thought, that can be considered dis-proven.

Originally posted by Jocariah
How is this "blessed state" you mention attained
The Noble Eightfold Path (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/bps/misc/waytoend.html)

well, id have to say you are crazy, first you think your an alien, now enlightenment, I hope you enjoy trying to leada cult into "Purification" you psychopathic, retarded, Nutbag

Originally posted by Jocariah
With all due respect, nor wishing to be perceived as being rude, I see no point whatsoever in perusing discourse of any kind. I find your manner both offensive and condescending. I’m sure there are others within this forum that are willing to engage you in this combative style of yours.

Bon appétit

I think I smell a spammer here.

*waves to mods*

Says the bearded sage Jocaraih:
That is why for my first post I defined my use of the term enlightenment.

So as to build a foundation of sorts for further discussion.......


Like........dude, c'mon. Lighten the fuck up. A short little fat tub of man named Hubbard already beat you to all this pompous dianetic pseudo-sophism.

Is it my warped imagniation or am I the only one here picturing Jocariah sitting in front of his computer in a toga?