Will battery pollution be the next big disaster ? What are the non polluting alternatives to batteries ?

Waste pollution from used batteries is a dangerous pollution source (acid leakage), but I do not know of any pollution while they are being used? Mercury containing batteries are currently being phased out. Others can be properly treated to neutralize the pollution, or can be contained - much the same way as nuclear powerplant waste is contained. Do you have a better alternative? Maybe just solar energy.

Waste pollution from used batteries is a dangerous pollution source (acid leakage), but I do not know of any pollution while they are being used? Mercury containing batteries are currently being phased out. Others can be properly treated to neutralize the pollution, or can be contained - much the same way as nuclear powerplant waste is contained... What do U think will happen if all cars, billions of cars start using batteries for power ?

the total acid that will be leaked out accidently will be enormous. and in long run i believe will be catastrophic ?

What if there is acid sleek evuivalet of oil sleeks ?

Ya, i dont know if there are any enviornment friendly battries or battries without acid ?

And the total acid will ultimately add up to not very much. Its not much to worry about, at least in developed countries, because we have highly developed means of avoiding environmental contamination.

And if you want batterites without acid, try lithium ones. Of course, they dont like being broken open, but then not many things do.

hydrogen fuel cells are basically just good batteries.

Sealed batteries don't leak acid. It's the disposal problem that should be the issue. As I said, then this is just like the problem with disposing nuclear waste.

Sealed batteries don't leak acid. It's the disposal problem that should be the issue. As I said, then this is just like the problem with disposing nuclear waste.

I get harrowing feeling when I imagine a mountaneous dumpyard of used batteries.

Batteries... car batteries... are fully recylclable...

-MT

Yup, thats what I'm trying to say.

And fuel cells are not good batteries. Batteries, you make them, then put energy in, energy out. fuel cells, you make them, then put matter in, get matter and energy out. BAtterys are closed with regard to matter. (ok, you have to top up you car battery sometimes, but that is not an intrinsice part of their functioning the way it is in fuel cells.)

Yup, thats what I'm trying to say.

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SO U have lot of confindence on human behaivour ? that too from avarage human populations regarding pollution. Hats off to U.

I get harrowing feeling when I imagine a mountaneous dumpyard of used batteries.I agree, but what do we have for alternatives: solar cells and hydrogen.

I agree, but what do we have for alternatives: solar cells and hydrogen.

I was asking non polluting electric battries options. Are Lithium dangerous ? What is lithium.

I was going to suggest that but didn't know enough.

Lithium batteries last five times longer than alkakline, is corrosive and requires special handling to avoid skin contact, but is not considered as a "toxoc waste."

Nickel-cadmium batteries are hazardous to the environment.

"Lithium (metal) batteries contain no toxic metals, however, there is the possibility of fire if the metallic lithium is exposed to moisture while the cells are corroding. Most lithium batteries are non-rechargeable and are used in cameras, hearing aids and defense applications. For proper disposal, the batteries must first be fully discharged to consume the metallic lithium content. Lithium-ion batteries used for cell phones and laptops do not contain metallic lithium and the disposal problem does not exist. Most lithium systems contain toxic and flammable electrolyte."
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-20.htm

SO U have lot of confindence on human behaivour ? that too from avarage human populations regarding pollution. Hats off to U.
Given that I live in the UK, which now has halfway decent anti-pollution laws, and the agencies charged with enforcing them are doing their job, however slowly, not to mention that recycling has gone from 0 to upwards of 20% of household waste, the simple fact that I have not as far as I recall seen waste car batteries lying around more than once in the past ten years, let alone that the lead in said batteries has economic value, then, yes I do have some confidence in human behaviour, such that it is very unlikely there will be mountains of batteries. At least in the UK. Less developed parts of the world may be different.

Lithium is an element on the periodic table, from the same family as sodium and potassium. Therefore, as valich says, it burns. I too cannot think of any non polluting battery materials, but then pollution is involved in everything we make, including the cars, and I am sure yuo dont want an old car rusting away at teh bottom of your garden.

Given that I live in the UK, which now has halfway decent anti-pollution laws, and the agencies charged with enforcing them are doing their job, however slowly, not to mention that recycling has gone from 0 to upwards of 20% of household waste, the simple fact that I have not as far as I recall seen waste car batteries lying around more than once in the past ten years, let alone that the lead in said batteries has economic value, then, yes I do have some confidence in human behaviour, such that it is very unlikely there will be mountains of batteries. At least in the UK. Less developed parts of the world may be different. .. I was talking about car garbage landfields

I agree, but what do we have for alternatives: solar cells and hydrogen.No, you have not been paying attention, or are very forgetful, or an uneducatable victim of the oil lobby.

With very little modification, your existing car can run on alcohol, a renewable fuel, a clean burning fuel, a cheaper fuel, a fuel that removes more CO2 from air (by the growing cane) than it releases, a fuel than make lots of low-paying jobs in tropical countries. Those workers will buy some US products they can not now afford. (US cigarettes are a status symbol among some poor here, where most roll their own with outer brown cover of a corn ear as the "paper.") In any case the dollars exported will be less than if used to import oil.

PS, by edit: After Castro is dead, perhaps even an alcohol pipeline from Cuba is possible? (Floating about 100 feet below the surface and mored to the bottom by cables. - Alcohol is certainly lighter than sea water and the distance is short by pipline standards.)

I was talking about car garbage landfields
Oh, well you dont see many of them here in the UK. Cars end up scrapped and many bits recycled, the rest landfilled. Believe me, people notice when Sulphuric acid starts polluting their water, and as I said before, the lead is recyclable and has economic worth. So, no problem here, and it would be easily adaptable to a future with cars with lead acid batteries for energy storage.

Oh, well you dont see many of them here in the UK. Cars end up scrapped and many bits recycled, the rest landfilled. Believe me, people notice when Sulphuric acid starts polluting their water, and as I said before, the lead is recyclable and has economic worth. So, no problem here, and it would be easily adaptable to a future with cars with lead acid batteries for energy storage.

What can I say anymore to U. U seem to be among thoes from whom our planet have the greatest threat. U compare life as U see around U, but the fact is that U r still polluting. Just because U cant see that dosent mean the problem is not there.


Billy T,

So sound better, do U have any links for what U said. As we can see in this thread, there cannot be green batteries so why not go for biological fuel.

But wont methane be a problem then ?

hah, easy answer. Just use sodium metal chloride batteries.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=sodium+chloride+battery&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

its time for the robots to take over our world
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:MimF6Z5mkUAJ:www.hazardouswaste.uta h.gov/ADOBE/p2factsheets/Batteryfact.pdf+sodium+chloride+battery+pollution&hl=en

besides biofuel I got an Idea. Ever used a toy car with a spring that stores energy ?
U just key in the wounds on the spring and the energy is released as it unwounds.
I am saying this because its a battery, yes it is. SO why not take it to a whole new level using this http://www.terradaily.com/news/materials-05zv.html

If we create an array of this material then we may be able to store enough energy to run a real car for long time. Offcourse this has to be researched, I did google but no such attempt I could find.

But then to charge the battery we must use a green source.

What can I say anymore to U. U seem to be among thoes from whom our planet have the greatest threat. U compare life as U see around U, but the fact is that U r still polluting. Just because U cant see that dosent mean the problem is not there.

SAys the man sitting behind a computer. Tell me, where does your electricity come from? How is your house heated?
Me, I use energy saving lighbulbs, will be getting my flat properly insulated, and would like to stick a wind turbine on the roof. I wear clothes until the wear out, patching where necessary, dont go on holiday to Spain every 6 months, buy locally produced food wherever possible, and prefer to use natural materials rather than stuff made of non-renewable resources.

So, when are you moving into your cave?

SAys the man sitting behind a computer. Tell me, where does your electricity come from? How is your house heated?
Me, I use energy saving lighbulbs, will be getting my flat properly insulated, and would like to stick a wind turbine on the roof. I wear clothes until the wear out, patching where necessary, dont go on holiday to Spain every 6 months, buy locally produced food wherever possible, and prefer to use natural materials rather than stuff made of non-renewable resources.

So, when are you moving into your cave?

Just as expected, shamless as humans are,

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2005/december/2005_hottest_year_on_record_north.htm

Indeed, Global warming is occuring and is to some extent probably our fault. So, when are you disconnecting your computer from the mains?

Or, do you want a rational debate on energy conservation, future fuel use, recycling etc etc? If you do, I'm game. I am for recycling, renewable energy, against official encouragement of biofuel and generally looking for ways of reducing my impact upon the environment without totally destroying my life.

Just about every car made already uses lead-acid batteries. There are also sealed cell options.

Indeed, Global warming is occuring and is to some extent probably our fault. So, when are you disconnecting your computer from the mains?

Or, do you want a rational debate on energy conservation, future fuel use, recycling etc etc? If you do, I'm game. I am for recycling, renewable energy, against official encouragement of biofuel and generally looking for ways of reducing my impact upon the environment without totally destroying my life.

Yes I want a debate, but not on technology. More important is the attitude towards this issue. Humans are so busy patronizing their greed of money that they have no time to think what they are doing.

Make a billion dollar and die in 10 years due to catastrophic global climate changes, die then enjoy now. May be they think having a posh climatized house is gona save them. FOOLs.

Just about every car made already uses lead-acid batteries. There are also sealed cell options.

Its the attitude of people thats gona encourage the development of new technologies before its too late.

Its your lineant attitude that make U not react on ideas such as these http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=950200#post950200

instead of exploring we just remane numb

I admit that I didn't read the entire thread so I'm sorry if this point was already brought up...

Before considering such an issue as 'battery pollution' one has to adress the fact that current battery technology makes solar powered cars futile. Sure the solar cells can collect great amounts of energy, but as long as our inferior batteries cannot store that energy, it is pointless.