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certified psycho
08-22-03, 10:35 AM
Egyptian Jurists to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for 'Trillions' of Tons of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt

The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the interview: [1]

Dr. Hilmi: "… Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."

Question: "What will the group of Egyptians in Switzerland do about this issue?"

Hilmi: "Dr. Gamil Yaken, vice president of the Egyptian community in Switzerland, came to Egypt to collect information. We set up a legal team to prepare the necessary legal confrontation aimed at restoring what the Jews stole a long time ago, to which the statute of limitations cannot possibly apply. Furthermore, [the theft] is based on their holy book, the same source on which they relied when they invaded other peoples…

"The Egyptian Pharaoh was surprised one day to discover thousands of Egyptian women crying under the palace balcony, asking for help and complaining that the Jews stole their clothing and jewels, in the greatest collective fraud history has ever known.

"The theft was not limited to gold alone. The thieves stole everything imaginable. They emptied the Egyptian homes of cooking utensils. One of the women approached Pharaoh, her eyes downcast, and said that her Jewish neighbor who lived in the house on the right of her house had come to her and asked to borrow her gold items, claiming she had been invited to a wedding… The Jewish neighbor took [the items] and promised to return them the next day. A few minutes later, the neighbor to the left knocked on the door and asked to borrow the cooking utensils, because she was having guests for dinner. Using this same deceitful system, they took possession of all the cooking utensils…"

Question: "It is clear why they stole the gold, but why the cooking utensils?"

Hilmi: "Taking posession of the gold was understandable. This is clear theft of a host country's resources and treasure, something that fits the morals and character of the Jews. Yet what was not clear to the Egyptian women were the reasons for stealing the cooking utensils, when other things may have been of greater value. However, one of the Egyptian priets said that this had been the Jews' twisted way throughout history; they seek to cause a minor problem connected with the needs of everyday life so as to occupy people with these matters and prevent them from pursuing them to get back the stolen gold...

"A police investigation revealed that Moses and Aaron, peace be upon them, understood that it was impossible to live in Egypt, despite its pleasures and even though the Egyptians included them in every activity, due to the Jews' perverse nature, to which the Egyptians had reconciled themselves, though with obvious unwillingness. Therefore, an order was issued by the Jewish rabbis to flee the country, and that the exodus should be secret and under cover of darkness and with the largest possible amount of loot. The code word was 'At midnight.' In addition, the Jewish women were told to steal the gold and cooking utensils of the Egyptian women, and that is what happened."

Question: "Did they leave individually or as a group?"

Hilmi: "They left in a convoy of 600,000, that is, about 120,000 families. There were a few wagons in the convoy, and a long line of donkeys loaded with the stolen goods… They crossed the desert in the heart of Sinai, in an attempt to confuse Pharaoh's army, which was on their trail… Later they rested and began to count the stolen gold, and discovered that it reached 300,000 kg of gold."

Question: "But the Jews can cast doubt on this story with their usual methods. What is the religious evidence you said is in the Torah?"

Hilmi:"Naturally, the Jews cast doubt on this story because that is in their interest. But the answer would be that the story is based on what is written in the Torah. It can be found in Exodus, [Chapter] 35, verses 12 through 36…"

Question: "So what arguments can be made in support of getting back our stolen gold?"

Hilmi: "There are two types of claims, one religious and the other legal. From a religious standpoint, all monotheistic religions have called not to steal… It is also in the Ten Commandments, which the Jews were ordered [to observe]. Therefore, they have a basic religious obligation to return what was stolen, if it exists.

"From a legal standpoint, fleeing with the Egyptians' goods could be for the purpose of borrowing or for the purpose of stealing. If it is for the purpose of borrowing, legally it has a temporary dimension, not a permanent dimension, and therefore they must return [the gold], with interest, to its owners.

"On the other hand, if the Jews took the goods from the Egyptians not for the purpose of borrowing it but to keep them for themselves, by legal norms this is theft, and therefore they must return the stolen goods to their owners, in addition to the interest for its use over the entire period of the theft."

Question: "What do you think is the value of the gold, silver, and clothing that was stolen, and how do you calculate their value today?"

Hilmi: "If we assume that the weight of what was stolen was one ton, [its worth] doubled every 20 years, even if the annual interest is only 5%. In one ton of gold is 700 kg of pure gold – and we must remember that what was stolen was jewelry, that is, alloyed with copper. Hence, after 1,000 years, it would be worth 1,125,898,240 million tons, which equals 1,125,898 billion tons for 1,000 years. In other words, 1,125 trillion tons of gold, that is, a million multiplied by a million tons of gold. This is for one stolen ton. The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the debt is very large…

"The value must be calculated precisely in accordance with the information collected, and afterward a lawsuit must be filed against all the Jews of the world, and against the Jews of Israel in particular, so they will repay the Egyptians the debt that appears in the Torah."

Question: "Is a compromise solution possible?"

Hilmi: "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative interest during that period."

truth
08-22-03, 12:54 PM
That is hilarious!

truth
08-22-03, 12:57 PM
Here is some more info from the weekly that denies the Holocaust even occurred.

http://www.adl.org/egyptian_media/egyptian_revisionism.asp

Hey, do you have a link to that article?

Pollux V
08-22-03, 12:58 PM
*prepares to sue the entire feline species because of how many of my ancestors were eaten by Saber Toothed Cats*

truth
08-22-03, 01:07 PM
Hey, good thought Pollux, many of my ancestors are Irish, maybe I should just sue all the English for picking on us.

What would be interesting is they would plan on collecting if they won?

sweet Pentax
08-22-03, 01:16 PM
did i get this wrong or are you guys joking about it ?
are you aware how much money the jews get until today from germany for "this little īincidentī 50 years ago" ?
itīs the same case ,although some of you will disagree with me here !
if the jews donīt pay the money ,they also shouldnīt get money from us ;)

Flores
08-22-03, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by sweet Pentax
did i get this wrong or are you guys joking about it ?
are you aware how much money the jews get until today from germany for "this little īincidentī 50 years ago" ?
itīs the same case ,although some of you will disagree with me here !
if the jews donīt pay the money ,they also shouldnīt get money from us ;)

I agree completely. Not only are they holding the world responsible for the holocaust, they have formed a whole country based on the premises that they lived their briefly 5000 years ago. So I say, the Egyptians are following in the Jewish footsteps by requesting the gold back?

Moses...Obey, this is my favorite line by Yule Briner in the ten commandment. It's time for Moses people to obey.

truth
08-22-03, 01:41 PM
All righty then, time to stir the pot. What about reparations to blacks for slavery? Gotta get the English, French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, and much of the West African nations involved, particularly Liberia.

Then, the English need to compensate the Irish. The French (Normans) need to compensate the English for picking on the Anglo-Saxons, the Saxons for picking on the Britons. The Vikings are in deep doo doo for having picked on everyone. The Spanish need to sue the Muslims for invading Spain.

The Japanese owe the Chinese big time for Manchuria. I could keep going, but I'm tired of typing!

certified psycho
08-22-03, 01:48 PM
IDIOTS

moementum7
08-22-03, 01:53 PM
*slobber,burp, takes another swig from his beer*
I love you guys!*hiccup*

sweet Pentax
08-22-03, 01:53 PM
really ? perhaps you care to elaborate ? ;)

certified psycho
08-22-03, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by sweet Pentax
really ? perhaps you care to elaborate ? ;)
Al-Ahram al-Arabi, May 1, 1999 "The Jews are Liars"
The full text of a report by American Holocaust denier Fred Leuchter, which refutes the usage of Nazi gas chambers during World War II as execution chambers, is reprinted. "It's completely clear that this chamber is not an execution chamber, since it contains air inlets, but not air outlets. These chambers, like other facilities, were not designed as gas execution chambers and they can't be used for that purpose." According to Al-Ahram, Leuchter's report "by itself constitutes a death verdict on the false legends told by the State of Israel."


Al-Ahram Al-Arabi, April 24, 1999 "For the First Time: Leuchter Research Concerning Nazi Gas Chambers"
"According to Fred Leuchter's [a known American Holocaust denier] international report regarding the Nazi extermination camps, even if these camps were operating at maximum capacity, the sum total of their victims would not have surpassed hundreds of thousands. In no way would it have reached even one million...It has become clear that there is no basis for the tremendous significance attached to the crematoriums."


Al-Akhbar, September 25, 1998 "The Holocaust, Netanyahu and Me"
"The Jews invented the myth of mass extermination and the fabrication that 6 million Jews were put to death in Nazi ovens. This was done with the aim of motivating the Jews to emigrate to Israel and to blackmail the Germans for money as well as to achieve world support for the Jews. Similarly, Zionism based itself on this myth to establish the State of Israel...I continue to believe that the Holocaust is an Israeli myth which was invented to blackmail the world."


Al-Ahram and Al-Ahrar, September 6, 1998
The papers ran an appeal by Roger Garaudy, an infamous Holocaust denier who was convicted by a French court in March 1998 for contesting the truth of proven crimes against humanity, to the Arab and Islamic world urging continued support as he appealed his conviction.


Al-Akhbar, July 14, 1998 (article by Dr. Hassan Rajib) "Zionism has elevated the Holocaust to a sacred level and uses it for the purposes of blackmail...even if the ovens at Buchenwald and Auschwitz were working day and night, it would have taken dozens of years to kill six million people, and not just the three years which the Nazis had..."

Flores
08-22-03, 02:02 PM
No one owes noone, the whites don't owe the blacks, the west doesn't owe the east, ect, except that the jews seem to think that whole world owes them a lot, so it's fun to give them their medecine back some time to bring them to reality.

otheadp
08-22-03, 02:02 PM
check out the names of the papers...really reliable objective source eh?

how about these papers?
al - Uskut
al - Ya Sharmuta
?

moementum7
08-22-03, 02:03 PM
You tell'em flores!:)

sweet Pentax
08-22-03, 02:08 PM
bonzo

sorry my dear ,i donīt get the point.....
i guess you are saying this al ahram writes a load of BS ,and so this story is nonsense too?
is it just me or have we heard no opinion from you yet ? ( except IDIOTS... )

certified psycho
08-22-03, 02:09 PM
no no no
go to the site mentioned by truth

sargentlard
08-22-03, 02:12 PM
Join me my fellow brother and sisters and let's sue the British for invading every damn country in their prime......I demand reparations and those English Biscuits and darjling tea for their wrongs.

sweet Pentax
08-22-03, 02:16 PM
no no no,i donīt need to do so ....
i already know such stories ,the holocaust happenend ,no question !
but this is what iīm talking ībout ... we did something bad in thepast and pay until today for it ,why not the same right for the egyptian people ?

certified psycho
08-22-03, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by sargentlard
Join me my fellow brother and sisters and let's sue the British for invading every damn country in their prime......I demand reparations and those English Biscuits and darjling tea for their wrongs.
oh yeah lets sue them up the yinyang

certified psycho
08-22-03, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by sweet Pentax
no no no,i donīt need to do so ....
i already know such stories ,the holocaust happenend ,no question !
but this is what iīm talking ībout ... we did something bad in thepast and pay until today for it ,why not the same right for the egyptian people ?
iknow it happened

sweet Pentax
08-22-03, 02:21 PM
itīs so freaking annoying !
you guys think itīs a joke while my country has to pay milliards to the jews ....

certified psycho
08-22-03, 02:22 PM
i don't mean it as joke
i don't want no say in this

otheadp
08-22-03, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by sweet Pentax
itīs so freaking annoying !
you guys think itīs a joke while my country has to pay milliards to the jews ....

hey buddy, consider this:
1. me / my parents / grandparents havent seen a penny.. idonno which milliards (it's "billions" in english) you're talking about
2. the number of survivors of the holocaust are dwindling fast
3. what were you to say if the positions were reversed?

guthrie
08-22-03, 03:05 PM
The simplest solution is for the Jews to launch a counter suite for slavery when in egypt, then they can both cancel each other out, and everyone can shut up and stop being so silly.

Flores
08-22-03, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by guthrie
The simplest solution is for the Jews to launch a counter suite for slavery when in egypt, then they can both cancel each other out, and everyone can shut up and stop being so silly.

You can't do that, because the defendants, which happened to be every first born egyptian was brutally murdered on pass over night.

truth
08-22-03, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Flores
You can't do that, because the defendants, which happened to be every first born egyptian was brutally murdered on pass over night.

I could get that one dismissed, as the Jews themselves did not do it. God did. The Jews weren't even accessories to the fact.

Personally, I like Guthrie's suggestion.:D

otheadp
08-22-03, 03:29 PM
sounds juicy :D

sweet Pentax
08-22-03, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by otheadp
hey buddy, consider this:
1. me / my parents / grandparents havent seen a penny.. idonno which milliards (it's "billions" in english) you're talking about
2. the number of survivors of the holocaust are dwindling fast
3. what were you to say if the positions were reversed?

1. your goverment gets the money ;their decision what they make with the money (of course ,not our problem )

2. what do you want to tell me here ?germany hasnīt to pay anymore soon ?youare wrong.... survivors die ,but your goverment will be some longer around ;)

3. postions reversed ?
i would say the same ,because i have strong need for justice !

ps : so you donīt know anything about the money you get from us ? interesting behavior of your goverment,really !
perhaps iīll search for some numbers....

pss : billion is not the same as milliard ... hence iīm forbidden to use a wrong term !
i guess somebody made a mistake longtime ago !
do they say in britian billion instead millard too ?
somebody knew some folks will get problems with counting,so he made it easy ( million,billion,trillion --- easy as 1,2,3 and nobody can confuse something :D

guthrie
08-22-03, 03:35 PM
Here in teh UK, a billion used ot be a million million, now its a thousand million, then trillion, then quadrillion, and so on in steps of 3 decimal places.

As for teh deaths of the first born, Billy Connolly, a comedian, has a new film out called "the man who sued god" about a man whose boat is destroyed by a lightning strike, the insurance refuses to pay up claiming "act of god" whereupon he sues all the churches since htey are gods representatives on earth. heheh.

Tyler
08-22-03, 04:29 PM
your goverment gets the money ;their decision what they make with the money (of course ,not our problem )

What makes you think Otheadp is in Israel?

sweet Pentax
08-22-03, 05:25 PM
me / my parents / grandparents havent seen a penny

the money i was talking about goes to israel,not to every single jew in the world ...
it was just a guess...probably a good guess ( of course , that doesnīt make my guess correct ... :D )

otheadp
08-22-03, 05:34 PM
the money i was talking about goes to israel,not to every single jew in the world ...
it was just a guess...probably a good guess ( of course , that doesnīt make my guess correct ... )

i've been living in Canada for a few years now
you better post some links re "milliards" going to gov't of israel from germany (and it better be a reliable official site. not one that sells conspiracy theories)

sweet Pentax
08-22-03, 05:40 PM
otheatp , i already found enough pages ...the problem is ...they are all in german .... ;)
you speak german ? say yes ,and you get the links !
it seems you canīt believe it ,eh ? :D
would you be embarassed when iīm right?

ps : not everything critical about israel is conspiracy !

sweet Pentax
08-22-03, 05:55 PM
otheadp ,google for forced labor ,germany ,israel ,payment....
should be enough i think ... ;)

here a link in english from my goverment ,you can see there who gets money !

http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/consular_services/otherconsularservices/forced.html


edit : just search for : The Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany :D

what now ,otheatp ?

Raithere
08-23-03, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by Flores
they have formed a whole country based on the premises that they lived their briefly 5000 years agoActually, this is not accurate although once I also thought this was the case. Firstly, although Rome banished the state of Israel (135 C.E., only 1800 years not 5000) and scattered the Jewish population, there remained a Jewish population in the area. Further, more Jews returned to the area during the following centuries. The political Zionist movement began in the early 1800's and was taken up by Britain around 1917 shortly after Britain took control of Palestine after WWI. Initially, this was supported by the Arab leaders (except Palestinians) as long as the Jewish state was limited and the other Arab states were free. At the same time Britain offered the Arabs freedom if they helped to defeat the Ottoman Empire which controlled most of the Middle East at that time. As it stands in history, the creation of the state of Israel was not a matter of the Jews coming to an area they didn't inhabit backed by the UN to demolish an established Palestinian State.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?action=openPageViewer&docId=29178080
http://www.jewfaq.org/israel.htm

As far as the lawsuit, as there is no definitive evidence that the Jews were ever enslaved en masse by Egypt, much less fled with a bunch of loot, I don't see that it has much standing.

~Raithere

Hannibal
08-23-03, 03:53 AM
Egyptians Arabs have no relation to Ancient Egyptians 4000 years ago whatsoever.

Pollux V
08-23-03, 12:22 PM
This thread would probably do better in Ethics....

For as long as there has been a Jewish religion there has been Jewish persecution. This cannot be denied. And so, because the Muslims have almost the entire Middle East, the Catholics have most of the western world, it is only fair that a small sliver of land be given to a minority that would likely be wiped out because of the decimation wrought by the holocaust.

It's not to say that I agree with the Israeli government--they seem to have no interest in making peace with the Palestinians.

and2000x
08-23-03, 01:07 PM
I sue all Judeo-Christians for atrocities commited against my Scandinavian ancestors. I also sue them for witholding information about the actual shape of the planet from the general public and imprisioning round earth theorists.

truth
08-23-03, 03:17 PM
I want to sue all groups that have ended up costing me more in taxes than I should have ever had to pay. Wow, that could be quite a list! They owe me my money back, freeloaders and sponges!!!!

Vortexx
08-23-03, 03:25 PM
This is allmost as hilarious sue-wege as:

1. SCO sueing IBM/Linux for stealing sourcecode that SCO actually stole itselve

2. Rambus vs Intel and the rest of the world


Oh and in the case the jews will settle out of court with the egyptians, the egyptians can directly pay this gold back to the black nubians from wich they robbed and looted it etc etc:p

truth
08-23-03, 03:37 PM
Sounds like they have been watching old reruns of LA Law, or listening to the trial lawyers association. When fresh out of law school at a small law firm that did a lot of PI (personal injury)work, a case came in. Somebody found hair on a sandwich from Mr. Goodcents and wanted to sue. The firm actually took the case. What a FREAKIN' waste of time and resources. Take the sandwich back and ask for your money back, idiot!:bugeye:

OverTheStars
08-24-03, 08:48 PM
what about the native americans?............lol...sorry i couldn't resist....i lived in south dakota and knew some people who lived in the little pieces of land saved just for our native americans..and the police there treat them horribly..but they seem just happy living in the tiny little trailers on sandy land with no grass...instead of the government sueing(they have plenty of money) the people should sue. no one seems to have done that yet, no one seems bothered. really, can you imagine some person telling a judge he wants to sue people from a long time ago who could have possibly stolen his ancestors gold/money/and so on......? it looks stupid just like that.
i'm done making an ass out of myself now.

river-wind
08-25-03, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by OverTheStars
what about the native americans?............lol...sorry i couldn't resist....i lived in south dakota and knew some people who lived in the little pieces of land saved just for our native americans..and the police there treat them horribly..but they seem just happy living in the tiny little trailers on sandy land with no grass...instead of the government sueing(they have plenty of money) the people should sue.

At least for this case, the Cherokee Indians sued the State of Georgia in the late 1800's. The supreme court finnaly decided that because the Reservation was not technically within the US, though it was under protection and governing of the US, it could not sue a US government entity, as it was not a Fouriegn nation. However, it could also not sue because it was part of the US geographically.

So they were "given" some of their own land, kicked out of the rest, then told "If you have a problem, use the court system, that's what it's for. Until then, go live on this reservation."; then when the used the court system, they were told "Well, you live on a reservation, so you can't use the court system." Gotta love the even-handed justice of nearly any government in sudden power.

Sorry for the off-topic rant.

On topic: isn't their a statute of limitations on theft in Egypt? Also, which nation's theft laws would be used for this suit? The Nation of Egypts? If so, then this suit wouldn't pass even if it had merit, considering that the governement has gone from religious empire to psudeo-democracy; they have very little in common, and I doubt the genetic relation would carry, anyway.

Now, if they stopped saying things like "The jews stole our stuff, which fits their moral character", they might get a little more support from historians. But who wants to associat themselves with such talk? You'll never be able to work in your feild again!

As for the Pass-over thing, I bet the Jewish people living in Egypt at the time could be hald accountable, as they new of a method to prevent the first-born from dying- had they told the egyptian people about the lamb's-blood-over-the-doorway thing, lots of people would not have died. This is, of course, assuming that this stuff actually happened.

People will always amaze me.... :P

Christian Sodomy
08-25-03, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by truth
Hey, good thought Pollux, many of my ancestors are Irish, maybe I should just sue all the English for picking on us.

What would be interesting is they would plan on collecting if they won?

I think the reason this suit came about is:

- The many successful collections of billions of dollars from Germans, Americans and Swiss for "the Holocaust"
- The special victim status given Jews in the West
- The total disrespect of Arabs occurring in the West

Christian Sodomy
08-25-03, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by river-wind
At least for this case, the Cherokee Indians sued the State of Georgia in the late 1800's. The supreme court finnaly decided that because the Reservation was not technically within the US, though it was under protection and governing of the US, it could not sue a US government entity, as it was not a Fouriegn nation. However, it could also not sue because it was part of the US geographically.


Except that Indians came to North America after other groups:

http://www.kennewick-man.com/