Can you please tell me that what can be the effects of our thoughts on our body . Suppose we think doing something good for others, then if cells of our body will also learn doing something good to our body & vice versa?? If the phrase i.e. " One who dig pit for others falls in to it himself " can be linked to this aspect. I don't remember the opposite pharse of this saying may be.. " One who make mountains for others climb on to it himself ".:D :m:

It is somewhere said that 'our body becomes alike as we think'. Is it true?

The way you think affects the way you act and your health directly. Having positive mental attitudes will only be a positive thing in anyones life and keep them healthier in the long run. It is very difficult to have positive thoughts because of all the negativity that we are exposed to in everyday life. That is why reading well written books that deal positivly with life or anything will be benificial to everyone. Talking with positive people and expressing ways to help instead of ways to hurt will always be a good thing to do.

Hello cosmictraveler,

Thanks. It means we can alter our health in any way by the deep thoughts. How meditations can help in this regard. Can you explain how it happens scientifically??

your brain is connected to your hormone system, your hormone system connected to your immunesystem...your immunesystem to your brain...your brain to your toe, you toe to your brain, your brain to your liver, your liver to your brain and blood circulation and everything..

everything is connected.

Thanks for rare information. Then it means ' Thoughts can be a Super Healing System' . :D

When you meditate you are literally slowing your whole system down to give it time to heal itself. By meditating you close out the rest of the worlds happenings and concentrate on what your body is telling you it needs. If your "in tune" you will understand what thoughts are needed to help yourself remain in a vigorous state both mentally and physically.

Originally posted by Kumar
Thanks for rare information. Then it means ' Thoughts can be a Super Healing System' . :D

no

LOOKS WRONG!! BUT WHY?

'a connection' doesn't mean a 'super-connection'. You just displayed a case of wishful thinking.

Ok accepted. If 'good healing system' suits?

science is not about what is convenient for a person.

Then what name you can propose?

I don't propose anything. I suggest that we accept that we still know very little.

still know very little from whom?

we know little about how the brain influences the immunesystem or vice versa.

Really, we know very little. Thought can do anything if rightly practiced. Understand self hypnosis.

can your self hypnosis cure cancer?

I suggest that we inject cancer cells in you and see if you can fight of the resulting cancer with self hypnosis.

Not now, may be afterwords. Natural healing for natural diseases/disorders. No inject cancer cells. MAY BENEFIT.

I was reading about the links between emotions and physiology. It seems they arent totally direct, like spurious monkey says, if you htink positively you are less liekly to have some sorts of trouble, but nobody ahs yet shown that they can cure cancer by that method.

Originally posted by guthrie
I was reading about the links between emotions and physiology. It seems they arent totally direct, like spurious monkey says, if you htink positively you are less liekly to have some sorts of trouble, but nobody ahs yet shown that they can cure cancer by that method.

While thinking positively is better for stress levels then constant melancholy it has not shown to be superfluous for anything else. This also depends on the preson and how they deal with stress.

Cancer can not be cured by good and happy thoughts because our thoughts are just that...thoughts..they do not have any tangible effects on our innards. Meditation can reveal new aspects of voluntary control (blood pressure control and heat flow control has been observed in Pundits who practiced deep meditation) but it will not go as so far as to kill malignent cells.

Wishful thinking it is.

Kumar,

For an interesting exploration of the powerful effects of thoughts on healing read WHY PEOPLE DON'T HEAL AND HOW THEY CAN by Carolline Myss.

Good thoughts can't really hurt anyone whereas evil thoughts can kill you.

Hello, guthrie , sargentlard,

It seems they arent totally direct, like spurious monkey says, if you htink positively you are less liekly to have some sorts of trouble, but nobody ahs yet shown that they can cure cancer by that method.
Cancer can not be cured by good and happy thoughts because our thoughts are just that...thoughts..they do not have any tangible effects on our innards. Meditation can reveal new aspects of voluntary control (blood pressure control and heat flow control has been observed in Pundits who practiced deep meditation) but it will not go as so far as to kill malignent cells.

I think our body can act as one of the best self healer. Bad thought makes us ill so reverse should also be possible. Someone said that if we think of killing others, our body cells learn killing & may ultimately kill us(autoimunity). I think if any patient is told that medications are towards killing your diseased cells, then his body/those cells/other healthy cells may behave adversely by enhancing that disease(as sometime felt in cancer). Aren't those cells which are diseased/mad (become due to our mistakes) are just like our first children & if is it right to kill those inspite of mad or diseased. DEEP, PROLONGED & PURE thought with specific meditations can act one of the best self healer.
For an interesting exploration of the powerful effects of thoughts on healing read WHY PEOPLE DON'T HEAL AND HOW THEY CAN by Carolline Myss.
Hello candy,
Can you tell us a bit that what is the limit of effects of thoughts on our body as per this this referance.
Good thoughts can't really hurt anyone whereas evil thoughts can kill you. Hi cosmictraveler ,

When evil thought can kill then good thought should also be able to protect you.

In many documented tests people have been given placebos rather than the real drug and over 50 percent of those who didn't get the real drug got better! So this tells us that we can heal ourselves in many instances but should always consult a doctor to be certain that they will help us decide what is best.

In many documented tests people have been given placebos rather than the real drug and over 50 percent of those who didn't get the real drug got better

This is a very high ratio. But no doubt, thoughts can do wonders provided it is practiced as a healing remedy with deep concentrations for a prolonged period till the disease is cured. But doctor supervision is necessary for safety purpose which is common in all healings.

As far as I know, having read some of the latest Psychiatry textbook, and Cognitive Therapy Basics and Beyond by Judith Beck, there is a mind/body connection- obviously. You would be dead with no brain, and a brain with no body. Having said that, stress can cause lower back pain, acne, upset stomach, vomiting, blushing, headache, sweating, hysterical blindness/deafness etc. depending on the severity of the emotional trauma. However, clinical studies reveal there is no clear connection between emotional well being and curing or preventing diseases (www.quackwatch.org.) Having said that, essentially what you believe will dictate your emotions, and your beliefs are learned and can be unlearned. Some beliefs are held more dear than others and are more difficult to change. But just take a look at the track records of those who promote mind/body healing the most and you will get to the reality of the situation. Read about Deepack Chopra at http://skepdic.org. The best approach to health, now as always is a rational one.

There can be some defficiency in the type of practicing it. Firstly, a person should have full control on his body functions, means whatever he thinks it should show that it is effecting the body. Secondly, it should be the only thought in mind which you are practicing. Thirdly, the time, more the time he meditate, quicker will be the benefits

It is noted that when a person suffers from some chronic disease his meditating capabilty is also effected, if he has just starting the meditation. He may die but is not able to meditate. So everyone should practice meditations/follow some sprituals in advance, unabling them to apply when needed.

Originally posted by Kumar
Firstly, a person should have full control on his body functions, means whatever he thinks it should show that it is effecting the body.

na ja, do these people exist?

there is a reason for why we are not in control of most processes.

Do not exist, therefore we are discussing here to make them 'Exist'.

For real gain we have to do practice. It can't be a readymade thing like others.

Something bothers me here.

It is axiomatic in science, or at least most scientists take it as axiomatic, that consciousness is not causal. In this case how can our thoughts have any affect on our physical bodies?

To expand - the scientific hypothesis is that thoughts are caused by brains, and that thoughts are not phsyical entities. Therefore while it is perfectly ok to say that our brains can affect our bodies it makes no sense to say that our thoughts can affect our bodies, since our thoughts are caused by our brains (bodies) rather than the reverse, and in themselves they are considered to have no causal effects.

To make matters worse there is no scientific evidence that we even cause our own thoughts.

How is it then possible to scientifically speculate about the causal effect of thoughts on bodies? It seems inconsistent, not to say pseudo-scientific.

Therefore while it is perfectly ok to say that our brains can affect our bodies it makes no sense to say that our thoughts can affect our bodies, since our thoughts are caused by our brains (bodies) rather than the reverse, and in themselves they are considered to have no causal effects.

Thoughts are caused by our brain, but they works when these are stimulated. Otherwise they remain slept in brain so ineffective or even harmful. When we stimulate/awakens them by meditation or any spritual mode they then can create effect to our bodies through the brain. Eg; so many biochemicals got accumulated in our system & are inactive or even harmful. When we stimulate the cells(by fasting or otherwise) these biochemicals are got metabolised & we become healthy.

Originally posted by Kumar
Thoughts are caused by our brain, but they works when these are stimulated. Otherwise they remain slept in brain so ineffective or even harmful. When we stimulate/awakens them by meditation or any spritual mode they then can create effect to our bodies through the brain. Eg; so many biochemicals got accumulated in our system & are inactive or even harmful. When we stimulate the cells(by fasting or otherwise) these biochemicals are got metabolised & we become healthy.

which biochemicals? and how does the brain stimulate their metabolism?

12 majore tissue salts, carbs,fats & protiens,hormones etc. Elemental;

C,H,O,N,S,Ca,Na,K,Fe,Mg,Cl,F,P & Si and some other trace elements.

Originally posted by Kumar


C,H,O,N,S,Na,K,Fe,Mg,Cl,F,P & Si and some other trace elements.

you can't metabolise those

We can stimulate the cells to metabolize them/use them.

how

By practicing specific thought during meditations for long. Otherwise by molecular medicines. Also by fastings.

Elemental body composition is available at;

http://web2.iadfw.net/uthman/elements_of_body.html

you said that already 20 times before...I want to know how the brain influences the metabolism of cells in a specific manner...I don't need your opinion.

Ok, by stimiluting body functions through nervous system, hormonal functions etc. If wrong you tell pls.

READ AT; http://fanzalika.tripod.com/E-Book/James_Allen/effects_of_thoughts_on_health_an.htm

that is too general

Yes! Some more effects;
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030823/msgs/253321.html

Some more technicals at:

http://www.drlowe.com/myofascial/generalinfo/emomultiple.htm

http://www.drlowe.com/myofascial/generalinfo/emoneuro.htm

http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/08/06/11.html

But why so much reading. Just concentrate on 'Specific thoughts' and 'Self Hypnosis'.

no explain to us how it works, without the links. The links don't seem very relevant for your specific case.

understand specific thoughts.

how can a specific thought influence specific cells...that is the question.

na ja...I assume by now you don't know then and are one of these people who values their own opinion over science.

na ja...I assume by now you don't know then and are one of these people who values their own opinion over science. It is correct & it is very necessary for creations. No research can be possible without previous logical thought other then by chance. Don't go much on available science for unsolved or differant matters. We can find any available science if we search on internet, but we can't get unavailable science anywhere other then during these discussions as LOGICS for furthur studies. I just know that brain can effect each & every part,cell of our body(in genral) & so thoughts can also effect the same.

OK, read ;How do the brain and body communicate?

Located in the heart of the limbic system, the hypothalamus is in overall charge of regulating the body’s internal processes, including temperature, blood pressure and metabolism.56 The fuel needs of brain cells are communicated to the rest of the body by chemical signaling carried out by blood-borne hormones or by neurotransmitters released by the hypothalamus and pituitary gland.

Pituitary hormones act on other glands, including the thyroid, adrenals and sex glands, instructing them to release hormones. The level of hormones that feed back to the pituitary via the circulatory system signal the gland to either increase or shut off production of specific hormones. Neurotransmitters from the brain meet up with hormones from the body in the nerve fibers and portal blood vessels of the pituitary, enabling it to relay vital regulatory information up its stalk to the hypothalamus.57

One of the most important factors regulated by the pituitary gland and hypothalamus is the supply of glucose
How is glucose formed and what function does it serve in the brain?

Glucose, which is catabolized into energy (in the form of ATP) is the primary fuel source for all body cells, including neural cells. Blood glucose is obtained from three primary sources: dietary carbohydrates, the degradation of liver glycogen and gluconeogenesis. In the absence of adequate dietary carbohydrates, or in the event that dietary carbohydrates are not properly digested and absorbed into the blood stream, glycogen stored in the liver and in muscle tissue can be converted into glucose. Glucose can also be synthesized from amino acids by a process called gluconeogenesis.

The glucose energy derivative ATP is used to fuel the brain’s electrochemical processes; to fire and receive nerve messages and synthesize and degrade neurotransmitters.58 If messages (in the form of neurotransmitter molecules) are not properly and smoothly relayed, information cannot travel to all the brain structures that need it to form the “big picture” of conscious experience.

Whether neurotransmitters bind with receptors or not, they have to be cleared away or broken down to prevent them from interfering with messages conveyed by subsequent releases of neurotransmitters.59 If neurotransmitters are not efficiently broken down or cleared away (due to a sluggish glucose energy supply) than receptor systems cannot be ready to receive and respond to new waves of impulses. This might account for many of the repetitive and perseverative behaviors of autism.

Which neurotransmitters might be implicated in the breakdown of information processing resulting in autism?

The brain chemical most commonly linked to autism is serotonin, although the largest amount of serotonin is actually found in cells of the intestinal mucosa.60 Outside the nervous system, serotonin functions to influence pain perception and to help regulate sleep, temperature and blood pressure. Studies have documented a significant elevation of blood serotonin in many autistic children, an abnormality attributable to an alteration in the uptake or storage of serotonin by blood platelets.61 In the brain this neurotransmitter is generally excitatory, meaning its release makes neurons more likely to “fire”. Serotonin releasing neurons have axons distributed throughout the brain from the cerebellum to the cerebral cortex.62 An excess of serotonin could account for the lack of modulation of sensory input, leading to overstimulation and anxiety.

The neurotransmitter Dopamine is also involved in modulating arousal level. The inability of schizophrenics to filter out incoming sensations is thought to be attributable to raised levels of dopamine in the brain or to the increased sensitivity of dopamine neural receptors which induce a high state of arousal.63 Autistic brains may be equally susceptible to over-stimulation due to the exaggerated effects of dopamine.

Uta Frith postulates that the problem could be attributable to dopamine cells not dying back as they should in normal development. The result would be an increased number of dopamine neurons and therefore an overactive system.64 As the major dopamine pathways or projections originate in tiny structures at the tip of the brain stem and spread out to almost every cortical lobe, the impact of this chemical on neurological processing could well be significant.

Two other neurotransmitters that may be implicated in autism are actually dopamine derivatives in the same catecholamine family. Unlike their precursor, norepinephrine and epinephrine have important physiologic functions outside the nervous system as well. They act as regulators of carbohydrate and lipid metabolism, increasing the degradation of triacyglycerol and glycogen to glucose as well as increasing heart beat and blood pressure in response to fright, exercise, cold and low levels of blood glucose.65 If there was a shortage of these “fight or flight” molecules in the blood (due to a problem with the catabolism of amino acids or dopamine) the breakdown of carbohydrates to glucose would be slowed, as would the body’s reaction to emergency situations.

In the brain, nerve cells that release norepinephrine are clustered in the brain stem with their axons projecting to many brain regions.66 As a neurotransmitter, norepinephrine is both excitatory and inhibitory and is involved in arousal level as well as in autonomic control of body functions. Norepinephrine as well as dopamine and serotonin have their effect on receptor cells through a time and energy consuming ‘second messenger’ system, so it is likely that any irregularity in the supply of glucose delivered to the brain would have a significant negative impact on the ability of these neurotransmitters to function smoothly.

Another brain chemical that might contribute to autism is GABA or gamma-aminbutyric acid. As this neurotransmitter is inhibitory, a deficiency of GABA in autistic children would help explain the poor inhibition that allows their brains to become overaroused and causes them anxiety.

Glutamate may also play a role in autism. Formed from glycogenic amino acids, this chemical acts as an excitatory neurotransmitter in the brain, activating some receptors in the hippocampus.67 If there is a problem with the formation of glycogenic amino acids, not only would there be a deficiency of glucose production, but there would be a deficiency of glutamate to activate receptors in the limbic system that influence emotion, learning, memory and motivation.68 Receptors in the amygdala, located directly atop the hippocampus, might also be affected, throwing off the coordination of autonomic and endocrine responses with emotional states.

How do drugs work to control neurotransmitter function?

All mind-affecting drugs have their action at the synaptic gap. They work by modifying the way neurons communicate across this gap. Some drugs alter the amount of neurotramsmitters released or the rate of release. Others have their effect by either blocking or increasing the availability of receptor sites. Others work by reducing the action of enzymes that break down neurotransmitters, rendering them inactive.69

The catecholamines (dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine) and serotonin are inactivated by oxidative deamination, catalyzed by the enzyme monoamine oxidase (MAO). MAO inhibitor drugs (antidepressants) serve to inactivate this enzyme, permitting neurotransmitter molecules to escape degradation and to activate dormant receptor systems. Some neurotransmitters are reabsorbed into axons from fluid surrounding the nerve cells for reuse (endocytosis). Drugs like fluoxetine or sertraline work by blocking the re-uptake or recycling of serotonin or norepinephrine, thereby reducing their excitatory effect on the brain.

How effective are drugs in remediating autism?

Just as in the typical population, various drugs have varying effects on individuals with autism. If we go by the assumption that autism has a biochemical basis, pharmacological intervention is certainly warranted and is often effective in alleviating the symptoms of excessive anxiety or obsessive-compulsive tendencies. Mega-doses of vitamins and minerals and other natural remedies found in health food stores are also helpful in many cases. I believe that any remedy that might help a person with autism to cope or function better is worth pursuing.

In my daughter’s case, the estrogen and progesterone in the birth control pills she takes have had a pronounced effect on her mood and behavior. Actually, progesterone is the precursor to all other steroid hormones, including estrogen, testosterone and adreno-corticotropic hormone or ACTH. The production and secretion of ACTH is activated by the hypothalamus when the body is stressed. This hormone stimulates the adrenal cortex to synthesize cortisol, which in turn acts to promote gluconeogenesis in the liver and to stimulate the breakdown of proteins to amino acids in the muscles. So, the ingestion of progesterone might not only cause an increase in ACTH, making a person better equipped to handle stress, but the increase in cortisol would activate glucose and amino acid synthesis, helping the brain and body to function better.

You want just:Nervous Cordinations through nerves/neurons by action potencial or nerve impulses.

all this has nothing to do with your claims. I am not asking for known connections of the brain and the body. I am asking how your claims are supported by evidence.

It is the sequential, electrochemical polarization and depolarization that travels across the membrane of a nerve cell (neuron) in response to stimulation (touch, pain, cold, etc.).

More specific may be; Impulses of thoughts travel through motor neurons. These nerve cells carry messages from the brain to the effectors i.e. Receptors>>Sensory neuron>>association neurons>>motor neurons>>effector.

don't be an asshole...that has nothing to do with your claims. You just take textbook information and use it to propagate your own weird ideas on the world. We are not contesting that there is a connection between the brain and the body. You are postulating that there is specific sort of connection with a specific effect.

but anyway...fuck it...i have been asking several times to be specific, but you never did. I lost my patience. Goodbye to this thread.

May be we could not understand each other on this issue because not liked by 'HIM' being a highly 'against the nature' therapy. I consider it as' not liked HIM ' so dropping in between a 'can be best & universal healing therapy'. Sorry all!!

Kumar

Your long post doesn't make any mention of thoughts affecting brains, let alone bodies.

From: http://members.tripod.com/~BDSweb/en/107.htm

"But what is mind, and what is matter? Is the mind material, as some unimaginative people suppose; or is the body merely an idea, as some imaginative people suppose? Is the mental process the cause, or the effect, of the cerebral process?—or are they, as Malebranche taught, unrelated and independent, and only providentially parallel?

Neither is mind material, answers Spinoza, nor is matter mental; neither is the brain-process the cause, nor is it the effect, of thought; nor are the two processes independent and parallel. For there are not two processes, and there are not two entities; there is but one process, seen now inwardly as thought, and now outwardly as motion; there is but one entity, seen now inwardly as mind, now outwardly as matter, but in reality an inextricable mixture and unity of both. Mind and body do not act upon each other, because they are not other, they are one. "The body cannot determine the mind to think; nor the mind determine the body to remain in motion or at rest, or in any other state," for the simple reason that "the decision of the mind, and the desire and determination of the body . . . are one and the same thing." [55] And all the world is unifiedly double in this way; wherever there is an external "material" process, it is but one side or aspect of the real process, which to a fuller view would be seen to include as well an internal process correlative, in however different a degree, with the mental process which we see within ourselves. The inward and "mental" process corresponds at every stage with the external and "material" process; "the order and connection of ideas is the same as the order and connection of things." [56] "Thinking substance and extended substance are one and the same thing, comprehended now through this, now through that, attribute" or aspect. "


...thus no pineal vortex needed

I think that the process evolves from everything being energy and that by getting the body to oscillate in a synchornized oscillation energy can be directed where it is needed.

but anyway...fuck it...i have been asking several times to be specific, but you never did. I lost my patience. Goodbye to this thread.
A bad thought.:o

Why we go in all these technicalities. Good things are usually lost/confused in so many technicalities. We can not be fully sure unless we are able to see/feel all the activities of each & every cell,molecules,ions...so on. Just check one simple question, Whatever we think & how we think, is effects our body or not??