I managed to catch a bit of info on Radio 4 recently, and although I heard the line... the earths magnetic fields are changing, I lost reception and could not get it back!

Does anyone know anthing about this, and if so, can someone post a link? I am desparate to know more...

Thanks.

the magnetic field is not stable

it changes all the time but i herd something that said that we are likly to have the polls switch soon

don't rember why

I thought they based that on geological research.. the way really small magnetic particles in sediments are polarized (polarised?) shows that about every 750.000 years (don't pin me on that one) the magnetic field flips, making the magnetic south pole the magnetic north pole and vice versa. As this happend last a little over 750.000 years ago (again not sure!), it should happen sometime soon... maybe someone who's more into the stff can tell more?

I am trying to find out more, but I have yet to find out what I need to know.

If this was to happen, does anyone know the consquences?

well there are countless.. a few I could think of in 5 minutes:

- all compasses work the wrong way; satellites will mess their orbit up, crashing on earth..
- (small) earthquakes due to the moving of all polarized/magnetic materials out there?
- some birds or other animals 'knowing their go-about' by magnetism might get lost..
- more compass problems, maybe some other climatological changes..

well i suppose there is more to think of

Anything catastrophic?

guess not, maybe an occasional satellite hitting tha head

Hi will try and find some stuff. But the report I heard said the scientists expected it soon, sometime in the next 5,000 to 10,000 years! (If a geophysicist says they will phone back soon - dont expect to hear from them :-)

Also no one is quite sure how long it takes to switch. We are reasonable sure it is less than 100 years, but we dont know if it takes 10 years or 10 minutes.

Questions:

1.) Where did the earth get it's magnetic field?
2.) Is there evidence of past pole shifting?
3.) Why would the earths poles move and where would they go?
4.) Could we survive such an event?

Some of this is talked about in another thread of mine. Click here (http://www.sciforums.com/t9742/s/thread.html) to check it out.

Peace

Originally posted by Pine_net
Questions:

1.) Where did the earth get it's magnetic field?
2.) Is there evidence of past pole shifting?
3.) Why would the earths poles move and where would they go?
4.) Could we survive such an event?

Some of this is talked about in another thread of mine. Click here (http://www.sciforums.com/t9742/s/thread.html) to check it out.

Peace

1.) Where did the earth get it's magnetic field?
In simple terms the current <grin> theory is that the magma below the earths surface "boils" in loops. These contain enough charge to make a magnet.

2.) Is there evidence of past pole shifting?
As continents drift apart there are some magnetic materials deposited at the rifts as these cool they preserve a record of the field direction at the time they solidified. Mapping these and checking in different sites around the world shows the poles have reversed a few dozen times.

3.) Why would the earths poles move and where would they go?
Good question as to why. As for going they tend to end up near the poles! After the event is over the north pole becomes the south pole and vice versa, more or less.

How it gets there is still disputed. It could fade out and then reappear reversed. Or it could keep its strength and wander down past the equator. It seems to change too fast for the record described in 2 to give convincing evidence.

4.) Could we survive such an event?
Well dinosaurs and a few ancesters survived prior reversals. Though there is some evidence that some species ended at around the same time as the reversals, so it may be a bumpy ride. On the other hand the thing that caused the extinctions may be unrelated, but triggered the pole reversal.

A pole reversal would be a rather beneign thing. We'd have to readjust our compasses, but I dont think birds would be affected, they use compass only on a relative level, that is, "I went this way out, so I go the opposite way back", ---as far as we know, that is. Sattelites are not affected, they are governed by gravity, that has naught to do with magnetics.

We'll survive. All of us.

Hans

"Magnetic" pole reversals do not happen like clockwork. They can occur as often as every 12,000 or 60,000 years. The danger is the unprotected exposure to radiation while the electromagnetic field is near 0. The electromagnetic field bends many wavelengths and solar winds away from the Earth's surface.

A pole shift is another matter. Like watching a gyroscope slow down and produce a sudden tiny wobble or take on a 20 degree tilt. The earth's axis can be prone to such perturbations from a number of internal and external forces such as: 2 mile thick glaciers halfway to the equator, sun's gravity, differential rotation of core and mantle, asteroid strike, etc.

"Geographical" pole shifts tend to be catacysmic.

Welcome to sciforums, Dwayne D.L.Rabon.

I am afraid that I don't agree with you and you will have to show some sources on this.

...this warming of the earth caused by nuclear testing in the south pacfic...

When was radation acknowledged as being the source of a warming increase and why only in the south pacific? There have been many places that nuclear testing has occured and scientists still have not agreed that any warming above average has occured or is abnormally high considering the history of the earth.

The magnetic field is generated by hydrogen and helium at the earths core, where it is very cold, and little pressure.

How did you arrive at the idea the center of the earth's core is cold?

...currently because of the ozone and el Nino warming the earth the core has broken its hold and the recent solar switch has kicked the earth poles off to start the coming ice age and pole switch...

Please show sources where ozone has anything to do with warming the earths core, much less El Nino.

...if the earth contiunes to warm from the radation in the sea and the radation from the ozone hole ...

Please show sources where the sea is radioactive, beyond normal background radation or where the ozone hole has anything to do with it.

wth howdydoody that isn't readable at all :(

Man, I'd love to meet our dear friend Dwayne here in real life. I wonder what he looks like?

Maybe he's squirrely, with long unkempt hair and a four-day old beard. Maybe he smells funny because he hasn't showered in five days, and prefers to use women's perfume to repel the homosexual aliens in his closet that want to abuse him sexually. Perhaps he drinks heavily to fight the shakes.

I've never met someone so delusional in my entire life... I just have no idea how they look or act.

What's really funny is that I just posted my 12 Step Crackpot program on the Science & Society forum, and then I stop in here. I think Dwayne is on Step 9, working rapidly towards Step 10. Let's see how he does.

- Warren

Dwayne concludes:

El Nino and the ozone hole go hand in hand, as a result of nuclear testing.

In the year 1891, Senor Dr Luis Carranza, President of the Lima Geographical Society, contributed a small article to the Bulletin of that Society, calling attention to the fact that a countercurrent flowing from north to south had been observed between the ports of Paita and Pacasmayo.The Paita sailors, who frequently navigate along the coast in small craft, either to the north or the south of that port, name this countercurrent the current of "El Niño" (the child Jesus) because it has been observed to appear immediately after Christmas.

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/%7Ekessler/occasionally-asked-questions.html#q2

I wasn't aware nuclear testing was being conducted back in the late 1800's.

The ozone depletion process begins when CFC's (Chlorofluorocarbons: compounds consisting of chlorine, fluorine, and carbon) and other ODS (Ozone Depleting Substances: halons, methyl bromides, carbon tetrachlorides, methyl chloroforms, etc.) are emitted into the atmosphere.

http://www.epa.gov/ozone/science/process.html

In your opinion, are these elements (CFC, ODS) the result of nuclear testing ?

Ah (Q), you stole my thunder...

Dwayne D.L.Rabon, what I was asking for was some form of scientific links where I could arrive at my own opinion through reading of factual data, other than what you yourself have proposed. You will notice that (Q) has done so that you might see whence his stance came from.

If you write or claim theory or factual data, you should be prepared to show evidence of where you arrive at your conclusions. Proof always rests with the claimant...

Dwayne rails:

BY the way i do not appreicate your slanders, iif you disagree then you just state so rather than useing such foul slander. plainly you foul words won't change a fact.

in fact i was so insulted by the sure ignornce of the comments and sarcasim that i think that i will leave you to play with your iron magnets and guessing games.

So, but pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument, you fly off the handle accusing us of insults. I instead, could have said something like, "Dwayne the bathtub, I'm dwowning." At least then you'd have something to complain about. :D

You need to show us there is a definitive link between el nino, the ozone and nuclear testing, without just using anecdotes. Provide some supporting evidence to back up your theory and maybe you'll change our minds. So far, you've not done that.

Not everyone responds in the same way, Dwayne. However, when claims are made then there should be something to go with it. As I stated at the onset, I do not agree.

Later when I have some time I will see if I can find something from the sites where the images came from that supports your claim as you did not see fit to respond with complete links that connect your statements to supportable facts.

I guess one of the problems I have here is that radation is stronger where it is concentrated. To have radation scattered to the four winds, so to say, dilutes the effects one heck of a lot.

As (Q) mentioned, El Nino and La Nina have been around for a long time. Far longer than we have had nuclear capability. Further, background radation has been present, on the earth for as long as the earth has been here. The seas show no increase of radation, that has been reported, to my knowledge. Not only has background radation been here but so has nuclear radation. It has been below the crust for just as long. There is no evidence that I know of shown where this problem has shown up before.

Lastly, I suspect that you have no verifiable background info to share or you would have done so by now. Verifiable background info is important for linkage to reputable science which is why I had asked for this several times before. Upon this ability, hinges the veracity of your ideas. Without some sort of studies that show there is the possibility to link to your claim, it devolves your claim into nothing as it can not be supported. I do not have all the answers. I am willing to learn new things. That does not mean that I will travel to the witch doctor to learn medicene. It is show and tell time...

Dwayne

i do not intend to provide a histroy of atomic science.

That is completely unnecessary. What you need to provide is the link between the ozone, el nino, and nuclear testing in order for your argument to have any validity. I don't see that.

i assume that i will have to exsplain the entire creation of the earth

No need, here are a few basics which you might find useful:

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/press_releases/song/basic-facts.html

to exsplain that the earths core is hallow and it's magnetic field are created by hydrogen and helium

The Earth's core consists of a fluid outer core and a solid inner core. Because the outer core contains iron, when it flows it generates a magnetic field. This is the source of the Earth's magnetic field.

Between the mantle and the inner core is a fluid layer, the outer core. According to generally accepted theory -- the dynamo theory -- interactions between the churning, twisting flow of molten material in the outer core and the magnetic field generate electrical current that, in turn, creates new magnetic energy that sustains the field.

http://www.psc.edu/science/Glatzmaier/glatzmaier.html

For the first link, I was redirected to the home page for Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results. Being as my time at present is limited, I must ask what it is you wish for me to look at on the home page as there seems to be quite a few choices.

The second link goes to blast pressures at a given radius for a given size blast. These are normally used to determine what would be left standing after the blast had occurred. In other words, training material.

The last link deals with the effects of a bomb blast and the radiation. How long it takes to disperse the radiation. I did notice that there is a disagreement between the sites. One says that the radiation will stay in the upper atmosphere for “tens of years” the other says that it falls out relatively quickly. Nowhere did I see connection to El Nino. Nowhere did I see connection to the ozone hole.

On the picture posted on currents, one can obtain this from any ocean current site that gives such data. Given the volume and the depth of the oceans, that is a lot of water to disperse radiation. How does this link to the El Nino currents? In my opinion, the currents would carry any radiation global wide and not concentrate it in one area, such as the intermittent El Nino current.

Hydrogen and helium are superconductors only when they are supercooled. You will again have to show where this is the case in the earth's core. (Q) has already shown where this is not so.

I will agree that any radiation from nuclear fallout is not a good thing. I fail to see where this is triggering ozone depletion, as your links do not mention anything about this. Nor does it mention anything about El Nino.

I am not heckling you but asking you to show where studies have linked this to what you claim. Without that linkage you are spinning your wheels. I thought it fair that you be given a chance to show where this was possible. As I stated earlier, I don’t know it all and am willing to learn, but you have to show the connections and so far you have failed at it.

If it helps, we have experienced a solar magentic pole shift within the last year or so.

http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/headlines/images/sunflip/ssn_predict_s.gif

Magnetic Field Change (http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm)

plainly common sense illustates that nuclear weapons spread radation that is harmful. and damaging to the enviorment.

In my last post I stated
I will agree that any radiation from nuclear fallout is not a good thing.
Nor have I argued to the contrary.

Simply just because you perfer to agrue denial of facts it will not sovle the problem, you win nothing and neither does anybody that relies on you.

I argued for presentation of facts. Quite different from denial. I have asked you to present the facts that connect your claims to what is. You have shown that you can with the solar links. By omission, you have shown you can not support your stance with the connection to El Nino and the Ozone. What can I say? It was your claim and your assertion.

Dwayne

Plainly if you understood the laws of gravity you would know that thier is no way that the earths core could be soild

furthur if your branch of study was different if field of study for instance cosmic or universe you would know that universal forces such as the universal backgroung constant does not allow for such event of a soild core.

When earthquakes occur around the world, they create waves which can be detected in various other parts of the world. Some of these waves travel ONLY through solid materials. If the Earth's core were hollow, these waves could not be detected.

http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/louie/class/100/interior.html

Q's argument is redundant, and ametrure

At least I have an argument. At first , you piqued my interest with your theory linking nuclear testing to that of el nino and the ozone. But you've not shown any evidence whatsoever to support your claims. Now you're claiming the Earth is hollow.

Sorry Dwayne, but it's becoming increasingly more difficult to take you seriously.

Plainly if you understood the laws of gravity

I just can't help asking...

How do "the laws of gravity" lead to your conclusion that the earth's core is... let's see... a hollow, cool, void with (incompatibly) superconducting metallic hydrogen (and helium)? Please include the terms "hydrostatic equilibrium" and "convective transport," with their appropriate, scientifically accepted definitions.

Let's see:

1) You don't understand gravity.
2) You don't understand radioactivity.
3) You don't understand climatology.
4) You don't understand solar models.
5) You don't understand electromagnetism.
6) You don't understand energy.
7) You don't understand geology.

...I'm sure there are more fields you don't understand, too.

What's really funny is that Frencheezy is picking on Dwayne. It's like watching a second-grader picking on a first-grader -- it shouldn't be funny, but it is. Be careful, Freencheezy -- you're going to end up like Dwayne if you don't.

- Warren

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
in a ice age caused by the weaking of the magnetic field of earth

What evidence do you have that the Earth's global climate is controlled by its magnetic fields?

Most climatologists seem to think the problem is a lot more complicated than that.

and during the development of the ice age, the seas of earth will begin to become ice bergs, simular to the artic circle, this will occur over the vast area of the earth, with ice berges forming on land and coverin large regions of the worlds surface land area, in some areas the ice bergs will reach a hieght of 14,000 ft or 5,000 meters.

Last I heard in the last ice age the ice sheets only got as far as Northern Europe.

as the internal earth is warm by lava flow and the inversed field, or magnetic field forced back on its self the oceans underneath will still be water in many places.

So where did the ice come from then. You might not be aware but ice occupies about the same volume as water. To get global ice sheets 5 Km thick you need the same amount of water. Put another way, this only works in a water world.

what this means is that much of the world will be covered in ice that will reach as tall as the average mountain of the world, simply places like england will be covered in ice.

Please give a viable working model on how this works?

Ice ages are responsible for much of the look of the lanscape of the majority of the world, including the grand canyon which was made in the last ice age

Nope. The Grand Canyon was formed by the Colarado river cutting through the rock.

, many of the forjd or norway,

That much is right. I suggest you compare the Fjords and valleys carved by glaciers to other valleys no where near glaciers. They are hugely different leading most geologists to think they where formed differently. Think rift valley Vs. Fjord.

and famous landscapes and vallys were carved out by the melting ice

You evidence please?

, due to the event of the ice ages caused by pole switches of earth magnetic field

Evidence?

the surface of the earth is actually a very new one being less about 5,000 years old, and new surface earth is made after every ice age.

This is so wrong it's ludicrous. There are mountains with rocks dating back 4 billion years. Homo Neanderthals roamed Europe 10,000+ years ago during an ice age. They did not live on top of 5 Km deep ice sheets.

Not only does this ice form the land by melting ice berges, but it compresses the land, entire contients, as well as pushes them to form moutain ranges, such as the west coast of the UNITED STATES, the Himalaya mountains ect..,[quote]

I see you don't subscribe to plate tectonics and the effects of subduction zones then?

Pray tell, how exactly does ice do this. Last I saw rock was considerably less compressible than ice.

[quote] contients such as europe, that are still rising out of the ocean are places where the ice has compressed the earth with its weight,

Three things,

1. Europe is geologically stable, mostly.
2. Make your mind up. Are we compressed or rising.
3. What about rift valleys on plate boundaries and Earthquake zones. How do you explain the San Andreas fault or Iceland for example.

these regions undoubtly were under large ice bergs with a heigth near 5,000meters or greater, the actual maxium that could be reached by such a ice berg is 9 miles or 15,000 meters.

See above.

this is the type of ice age that creats a new surface with every pole switch.

Where is the evidence?

the ice age and polar switch will also change the equinox of the earth to a much large motion

I think English is not your language, so Ill cut you some slack. Please look up Equinox in your language and get back to us on this point.

[quote],in stead of 46(23) or so degrees of motion the the earth will gain motion of 96 (46) this means that the earth will nearly
turn from north to south by a complete right angle,

Same here, the grammatical structure and general gibberishness usually comes from writing English in whatever grammatical structure you are used to.

BTW, check up Earth's Axial Tilt as well.

not to fear though as the earths speed or rotation will also increase which will prevent the earth from tipping over, we are lucky.

Ah, you are serious then. What you posit can not happen unless the Earth was hit by something large.

this motion change will cause the ice berges to break up here and there, most water will be wild water on any sea.

On the basis that the previous 'work' is based on wild speculation I wouldn't worry that much.

one of the draw backs is that with a increased speed of earths rotation and equinox most people that walk upright will have to walk on all fours to survive,

Go on, tell me why? Please? Increased Gravity or centrigugal forces.

the enviorment would a ease for a snake. and also the day will be much shorter about 12 to 16 hours complete rotation time, 7 hours day light.

At last, a logical connection. Increase rotation = shorter day. But as there is no need to increase rotation...

after the poles return this motion of earth will be what shapes the earths landscape after the ice kind of giving it a buff and polish shine job. one thing good that can be said about the new field polarity is that it will be stronger and food and animals will grow bigger, and much of the larger areas of land mass we see to day will yield greater crops ect...,

But everything will be crushed by the increased rotation. Crops won't grow, the animals won't move. It's a total disastor.

BTW, why do you think increasing magnetic field strength increases food productivity?

Kind of sounds like the riddle of the sphinks.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Kind of sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about.

I thought water expands when it freezes. *shrug*

That's THED by the way.

Dwayne, your the one posing a radically different scenario to global geology and it's features. So the onus is on you to prove your theory that every 5,000 years the Earth is covered in Kilometers deep ice sheets that creates a new surface. It is up to you to prove those sheets can get that big, that the rotation of the Earth speeds up to compensate for the axial tilt being changed and even that it would change. It is up to you to prove that the weight of these sheets is enough to compress the crust. It is up to you to prove the Earth's magnetic field has such a large effect in climate.

This is so far off the scale my bogosity meter is more than pegged, it broke the peg.

Well, being a quartermaster in the USN has got to count for something! so here goes my little talk on the earths magnetic field.

In it's simplest terms, the earth can be thought of as a dipole magnet. Charged particles become traped along the magnetic field lines forming the magnetosphere.

The magnetosphere extends into the vacuum of space from approximately 80 to 60,000 kilometers (50 to 37,280 miles) on the side toward the Sun, and trails out more than 300,000 kilometers (186,500 miles) away from the Sun.

Now this is all well and good, but an interesting question pops up.
What is the earths core really made of?

Some new and startling insights into the makeup of the earths core could be very near on the horizon. The standard school of thought is that the earths core is made up of predominantly Iron metal (Fe). We find it has a significant amount of the element Nickel (Ni, about 4%) and a light element to make it less dense (about 10% by mass). This light element is either mostly oxygen or sulfur, with the arguments for oxygen (too detailed to go into here) being more believable in general.

But there are others who believe a much more radical view of the core. Earth, says geophysicist J. Marvin Herndon, is a gigantic natural nuclear power plant. We live on its thick shield, while 4,000 miles below our feet a five-mile-wide ball of uranium burns, churns, and reacts, creating the planet's magnetic field as well as the heat that powers volcanoes and continental-plate movements.

It's hard to say what camp I sit in. I guess it's really just a work in progress.

The magnetosphere affects how much radiation from the Sun and from space bombards our planet; this must have very large effects over a long time. It affects how animals migrate and such. I have heard theories that the magnetosphere on Mars was possibly disrupted by a large impact, or that the cooling of that planet's interior simply shut down the magnetosphere because there was no longer any liquid metal circulating, and then radiation was able to bake the place. *shrug*

Dwayne

So lets talk about whos going to be alive!

Instead, let's talk about who's going to agree with your claims. Cite some supporting observational evidence. Without that, you're just flapping your gums in the breeze.

Dwayne

i assume that for you Q i would have to post the events of the suns activities, the record of the sea floor, etc...

No Dwayne, you must post evidence which support your extraordinary claims, of which you've made many, and which fly in the face of accepted theory and observational evidence.

name a point of evidence that you do see to understand its connnection. i locate it.

I already have asked for references, others have as well. You've not provided any references which support your claims.

just to point i will see if ican find you information on the super volcanos of earth.

I'm not interested in super volcanoes. I'm interested in your evidence which I have already outlined. Please go back through this thread and read for yourself.

By the way do you take the time to read my post?

Yes I have read your posts, all of them. Why do you think I constantly ask you to verify your claims with supporting evidence. I get the feeling it is you who is not reading our posts.

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
Well fo those that are looking for a awnser that fail to understand that what i have said is true then i suppose that they will have to do the time in reading and observation and math.
The fact is that the evidence has been given and it is not easily discredited. and will not be discredited.
the event of you to take addtion or accept the fact is your hardship.
plainly i have stated the obvious.

here i have more evidence for you

1) You've presented no evidence. You've presented a long string of delusional opinions. Your inability to understand the definition of evidence is what squarely identifies you as a crackpot.

2) If you can't tell us what to read, observe, or calculate, we certainly can't appreciate your view.

3) There's nothing obvious about anything you've said.

- Warren

do you need ne to state a formula

Yes, Dwayne. Please state a formula for us.

NONE OF THEM SHOW A ACTIVE VOLCANIC SURFACE

Did your caps lock key get stuck there, Dwayne? It seems rather funny you'd say that volcanoes don't exist... since Venus, Earth, and Io all have active volcanism. Hell, you can walk up to a volcano on any continent you'd like on this planet. Mars, the Moon, and many other bodies also show evidence of extinct volcanism.

Since they're all cold inside, could you please explain the origin of the hot lava we see flowing down the sides of these volcanoes that don't exist here on earth?

- Warren

But wait, Dwayne, didn't you just say that

NONE OF THEM SHOW A ACTIVE VOLCANIC SURFACE

? We all know that anything written in all caps is undeniably true. Why are you backing off now to include only the Earth as being volcanically active?

- Warren

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
Plainly the point is clear Mars the MOON and the others have no volcanic activity, as you said exstinct well do you care to tell what happened to make them exstinct.
Point is there are nine planets only one of them shows any activity and that is earth, the solar system has plainly cold planets. with obvioulsy cold interior. or i should say obviously cold and frozen surface.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Seems to me that Mars is simply old, and smaller than Earth, and cooled down inside. Same as our moon, if it ever had such interior activity.

There isa actually volcanic activity elsewhere in our system. Venus I think, several Jovian moons.

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
[B
HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PLANETS OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AN INTRESTING FACT AND FEATURE IS THAT NONE OF THEM SHOW A ACTIVE VOLCANIC SURFACE OR CORE, SUBSURFACE. [/B]

I thought Venus had volcanos.

Data from Magellan's imaging radar shows that much of the surface of Venus is covered by lava flows. There are several large shield volcanoes (similar to Hawaii or Olympus Mons) such as Sif Mons (right). Recently announced findings indicate that Venus is still volcanically active, but only in a few hot spots; for the most part it has been geologically rather quiet for the past few hundred million years.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3316

Well more volcanos, nice moon btw. :)

Dwayne,

When are you going to post those equations you offered me?

- Warren

Originally posted by chroot
Dwayne,

When are you going to post those equations you offered me?

- Warren

Dwayne

SUPERVOLCANOS CAUSED BY THE MAGNETIC POLE SWITCH

First of all, the term "suervolcanos" was coined by the BBC a few years ago and has no scientific meaning. Secondly, volcanoes are not caused by the switching of Earths magnetic poles. They are caused by magma, which has risen up from the Earths mantle and builds up in chambers within the Earths crust.

these laval pools increase and become active when the magnetic field becomes inverse during a polar switch.

Dwayne, do you actually read the links you post. Nowhere on that site does it suggest anything to do with your claim. Please do not attempt to deceive the peeps by confusing fact with your fiction.

HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PLANETS OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AN INTRESTING FACT AND FEATURE IS THAT NONE OF THEM SHOW A ACTIVE VOLCANIC SURFACE OR CORE

Wrong. You may want to consider reading the information from your sources.

hOW DOES THAT SOUND FOR EVIDENCE OF A COLD INTERIOR OF EARTH

What evidence ? All evidence suggests the interior of the Earth is not cold.

Here is a record of the poles motion over the last 100 years

Yes, very interesting pictures. What's your point ?

Point is there are nine planets only one of them shows any activity and that is earth, the solar system has plainly cold planets. with obvioulsy cold interior. or i should say obviously cold and frozen surface.

Completely wrong. What about Io, a moon of Jupiter ?

Instead of craters, Voyager 1 found hundreds of volcanic calderas. Some of the volcanoes are active! Striking photos of actual eruptions with plumes 300 km high were sent back by both Voyagers (right) and by Galileo (bottom left image on this page) This may have been the most important single discovery of the Voyager missions; it was the first real proof that the interiors of other "terrestrial" bodies are actually hot and active.

http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/io.html

Like i said earlier we are about 100 plus yreas late in discovering the poles are in the proccess of a pole switch, this based uppon the poles motion and event relavant so stated earlier.

The poles switch every half-million years or so and take several thousand years to complete. On record, there are about 170 pole switches in the past 75 million years. However, if you wish to pursue this argument:

http://physicsweb.org/article/news/3/1/14

http://www.antarcticconnection.com/antarctic/news/2002/041802mag_flip.shtml

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_564525.html

intresting point is that this new motion of earth and other effects may activate old DNA in the human body currently know as junk dna that we do not use.

Another extraordinary claim. Do you have any supporting evidence ?

One of the key elements of the poles iis that they rise the earth simular to the gravity of the moon, meaning the magnetic field is and acts like a anti gravity force. As the magnetic field weakens the earth will shrink, meaing sink, when there is little or no magnetic field the earth will be smaller in circumfrence, and general mass more concentrated per cm. in addtion it will be coverd in ice, the mass of earth will also become more concentrated in addtion by the increased rotation of the earth.

That, and everything else you stated in this post is complete hogwash. Provide some evidence. (not anecdotes)

Q to awnser you.

you have very weak argument, this is your signture regardless of evidence or argument: you have not posted any evidence, that is not relavant, this is the present theroy what you say is non-senses ect... must i go on.
that is the mind of a person that refuse to accept a fact, or plainly lacks the facts to make any decision. plainly you can say what you will i have posted the evidence i do not need your approval, and you will never change my mind with your rantings.
Are you a socialpath, do you deni facts to illict conversation
For your information and reference, what is relatant to your theroies present by people in the field, will calculate for other theroies as well.
Quite frankly i have not present a theory but a fact, and many of them, so many that it is conclusive what i have said.

Lastly as i have said befor your faliure to accept a fact is your hardship, in the end result you and your children may perish from earth unless you have the ablity to rely on another such as a goverment program, national or world emergence plan. but untill that time in your present mind you are no safe guard to your propagation or your childrens.

Plainly you are a slander case.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Originally posted by chroot
Dwayne,

When are you going to post those equations you offered me?

- Warren

Dwayne's venom:

Q to awnser you.... you have very weak argument... you have not posted any evidence... refuse to accept a fact, or plainly lacks the facts to make any decision... you will never change my mind with your rantings... a socialpath... deni facts to illict conversation... your faliure to accept a fact is your hardship... you and your children may perish from earth... you are no safe guard to your propagation or your childrens.... Plainly you are a slander case.

Dwayne, you may attack me all you wish, it means little to me other than to confirm your interpretation of your worldview from beneath the sand.

Do you no longer wish to discuss your theories ?

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon

Hello Dwayne.

To through creation for a loop

I'll try and take your dyskexia into account here. A good friend of mine is badly dyslexic but is a doctor of Chemistry. It's not a stigma anymore.

here is a very intresting point that i just thought i might bring to the table for note.

I'm all aquiver with excitement.
If the moon is within the magnetic field of earth in the begining of or at the time of creation of life on earth, and the early earth is covered in hydrogen/helium simular to jupiter, due to a greater amount of hydrogen and helium in the solar and galatic wind, and congeragting in the solars system.

According to this site (http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/cowley.html) the magnetosphere extends beyond 60,000 Km. But according to <a href="http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/billa/tnp/luna.html">The nine planets</a> the Moon orbits at 384,400 Km. Seems to me the Moon orbits well beyond the magnetosphere, counter to your claim. Also <a href="http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/PBearth.html">this site </a> seems to think other chemicals where present in large quantities. Certainly not H and He.

it would be more likly that life would have begone on the moon than on earth, its just a odd fact.

Wild man. Moon is inside Earth's magnetic field, we have a hydrogen/helium mixed atmosphere so life started on the Moon. Hmmmm.

i thought i might mention it for those of you who might toss the idea around.

Heh, heh, he said Toss, heh, heh, heh.

In other words life would have traveled to earth from the moon across a soup of gases, that would not burn off untill life had already crossed to earth.

If H and he was present in the early atmosphere it was not burned off. IT escapes because it's thermal velocity is greater than the escape velocity of the Earth.

point is that juptier much larger than the earth
That much is true.
, has a magnetic field simular to earth
In that it is magnetic, yes!
but smaller than the earths at maxium,
Lessee here, <a href="http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/jupiter/magnetic.html">this site</a> says Jupiters Magnetosphere is about 7,000,000 Km. Earth's is about 60,000 Km. Seems to me that Jupiter's field is hugely larger than the Earth's at all times.

meaning also that the earth is actaully twice the size of juptier if you count are magntic field, the missing ingedient is the hydrogen and helium and other gaes, which at any time could have burnt off.
No, not even close.
and responses to this idea are accepted, chemical life what about it, where can it occur.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Does; you are wrong. Totally wrong. Absolutely and completely, unreservedly wrong. Mean anything.

Well people sorry about the interuption in my disertation and discussion. I had to do some math due to a misplaced event.
earlier i exslained several possiblites od a event and proccess, which effect the time line. regardless of what assignment is given to the event of the polar switch it is amounted to about 150 years maxium in occurance, and of course this 150 year limited is reliant on the event that the mption of the poles gets progresivly quicker, as is seen in other pole switches, example the sun.
in the end result after doing the math and looking at the circumstances the events become clearer to the event of the polar switch.
The proccess of events basically remains the same. The event of the poles switching and returning will take 346 years to make transition from the polar location to the equator, in this event the magnetic pole will break apart in to many pieces, these many pieces will take less than 346 years to reach the equatorial bulge(or magnetic equator) where they will disappear, they will exist as magnetic field that migrate, about the size of some local fields. The event will leave the earth without a magnetic field for some portion of the 346 years with the poles returning about 70 years after the 346 years, so in event the total proccess to gone and return will be 416 years.
The many seperated poles will travel at about 13 miles a year or about 1 degree every 4 years, a comparsion to how that much faster then now that will be in the motion of a magnetic field is the present rate which is about 1 degree every 5 years, and the rate prior to present which was 1 degree every 10 years.
As you can see the prsent rate is very close to the actual speed of what the many seperated poles will travel at this is also a very good indicator that we are very, very close to the real event.
In my new calculations the pole switch will occur in 37.5 years, the intersting thing about this is that the north pole and the south pole give a diffrent time for collaspe or break up, the south pole gave a time frame of about 120 years( point i could not find the information on one aspect therfore giving me 120 years) regard less the event defined that the two poles will break up at different times, even if it is only about 10 years difference which would seem more accurate. what this means is that the the north pole which will break apart first will travel ahead of the south pole leaving the south pole intact for a addtion ten years although the south pole will be eratic in flux.
this behavior of the poles to break up at different rates also makes life more possible during the switch a difference of 100 years in the break up is a very nice factor when it comes to the event of human survial. also as the north pole will break apart frist the ice age will begin in the north pole and progress at 1 degree per 1.5 years and get progressive with time.
when the pole return they will reappear at 45 degrees in each hemisphere.
I WILL POST THE TIME DATE AND YEAR THAT THE POLES WILL SWITCH GIVEN A STANDARD RATE MEANING THAT THERE IS NO INCREASES IN ITS CURRENT MOTION NEXT

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Dwayne

also as the north pole will break apart frist the ice age will begin in the north pole and progress at 1 degree per 1.5 years and get progressive with time.

If the poles do switch, as you've claimed, it certainly wouldn't trigger an ice age. That is completely wrong.

If you had read the links in my post above, you would have noticed that scientists are arguing we might just be in a pole shift and that the Earths magnetic field is weakening and may vanish early in the next millenium. If so, Earth might be exposed to cosmic radiation which of course would not have the effect of triggering an ice age. In fact, they only talk about effects such as naviagtional problems and semiconductor production issues. Hardly reason to break out the winter parkas.

:D

Well people i think i will hold off on naming the time for a momment,

the event of the Polar switch that is to happen in 37.5 years is just the beging, after the 37.5 years the poles break apart into about 100 pieces, meaning 100 different magnetic poles, as these magnetic poles start towards the equator they travel at a speed of about 3.8 years per degree or 5.5 minutes to every foot of motion towards the poles, these 100 poles are 400 miles in diameter at the very center, in there progression they become huge hurricanes that are taller than 25 miles high, that will have a gale wind force that reaches some 67,000 miles across the face of the earth, this means that many of these hurricanes/poles will have cross waves with each other contuiously even at the equator, in this procccess they gather up the winds of the earth.
due to thier size they also gather up the ozone from the stratosphere and bring it down to earth, filling the earth with ozone, basically cleaning it like the maids good scrub job.
What is intresting about them is that there timeing is very accurate, as they actually gather up the upper atmosphere and bring it down to earth, as they will beging in the month of september/august, they start just in time to take on hydrogen and helium and to fill the upper atmosphere with it up to the 9,000 mile mark, this induction is very great and equal to about 100th of the earths mass, not including the gravity of the new mass taken on from hydrogen and helium which will over all be no compression in comparison to having not field, this on take of helium will allow the moon to be better controlled, as the gases will compensate for the lossed magnetic field, and will generate enough energy to repely the moon from crashing into the earth.
here the earth with out a magnetic field will shrink and gravity will become more defined, increasing gravity by some 100 th of what it is today, however atmospheric weight will increase by greater than induced by gravity. this definition of gravity will refine the moons orbit and bring it closer to the earth, close enough for the moon to become active with lava below its surface crust. the increase in the earths spin will also bring the moons orbit closer as well, and in crease gravity by 1/5th giving a rotation of about 18 hours a day, the gravity will be about 40 feet per sec per sec., any other excess will be relived by the moons new orbit and the exspansion of the atmosphere over the polar regions of the earth.
the ice age will happen however there will be areas where it is warm, much land will be under water and ice.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Dwayne stretches:

As much as I would like to comment on each point of your post, I can't imagine what to say. Your theory keeps getting more and more ridiculous each time you post. Your apocalyptic worldview is outrageously raving.

I must admit though, your imagination might get you a shot with a Hollywood producer.

Well Q and the others, its just the way it is. And I am sure the goverment is aware at least in some department.
lets hope they do not try some super machine that will mess up the proccess and leave us with out a magnetic field forever. lets hpoe that they find some way to shelter and transport people for the time that it is destructive.
For the indivdual i am recomending a aztec temple of a prymiad, as this what you will need to survive such a event, i am also recommending some form of capsule, such as the capsule of Winston Churchill, amazing what the ancient past can show you!
I am also recommend a diet high in nitrogen.

I also recommend that you build your craft and get it airborne or stablized what ever as after the switch you will not be able to esacpe gravity to such thing as reach outter space,, well you might but better safe than sorry. don't say you were not told.

HA,HA the fear of reality!!!

DWAYNE D. L. RABON

Originally posted by chroot
Dwayne,

When are you going to post those equations you offered me?

- Warren

Dwayne admits:

HA,HA the fear of reality!!!

Hmmm... I suspected there was some reason why you're conjuring up this nonsense. I didn't think it was so easily explained away merely by your fear of reality.

I therefore offer a bit of free advice, Dwayne; embrace reality. :)

I don't believe that Earth's magnetic poles will break apart in hundreds or even tenths of smaller entities. Why- because earth's magnetic pole is created by metals in liquid state flowing beneath the surface of earth. It is one connected system and it forms 2 magnetic poles- as in any and every magnet on earth.
There are always 2 poles.
What you suggest is that there will be like many small magnets beneath the surface of earth- I don't think that it then could be called earth's magnetical fields\\, because magnetical field has 2 poles. And anyways- if the flow of the metals would stop, wouldn't that mean that magnetical field would be gone?

Besides I would like smone to clearly tell me why earth's magnetical poles should break into many

http://www.exploratorium.edu/learning_studio/auroras/images/magnet.gif

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magnetical field of Jupiter (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/jupiter/magfield.gif)

Well let me say this the rain will not fall on the earth in that time when the magnetic field has disappeared.

Also there is one more sad fact that could be a reality, but it won't change the before and current statments about the pole switch, it only designs that there will be no pole to return.

However the core of earth generating the magnetic field is not a solid metalic core of iron or nickel, but is a made of hydrogen,helium and oxygen, and therefor it will return and has returned in the past many times.

going on there still is one more event that could be a factor, but it will not change the event of the gas elements at the core or the event of a polar switch nor buy more time.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Originally posted by chroot
Dwayne,

When are you going to post those equations you offered me?

- Warren

This must be the New Science to go along with the New Math.

I prefer the old science, backed up by observational evidence. :)

Well people so far we have been doing Ok, being so close to time of the polar switch, meaning that the switch could have happened this year with the suns polar switch, grace gives us that the suns pole is now aligned with are prsent field, this may give us some time, and take some time, but we will know the outcome of this success by december of this year, if we make it we will have at least another 11 years to wait for the worry of the suns next polar switch, if we make through that then we have another one to make all in all its a thin line from today to the end of the next 37.5 years, tippy toe for some time. main thing is that we make it through this december, if so we have some time before serious action. anyway the scale gives us 37.5 years.

Knowing this allow me to exsplain how the goverments of the world can provide some design, to safty.
there are 6,000,000,000 people in the world to day each person has a volume of space equal to 2 ft x 6 ft(cu.), this means that the entire world population could fit in a 20 mile X 20 mile space thats a area not bigger than most counties.
As the world has become expert at building skyscrapers or buildings that reach into the sky, such a structure could be built to house or lift the world population into space ect... given the idea the entire population of the world could fit in 8 buildings 216 feet tall, with a base 396 ft by 396ft or (216 x 396 x396). the size coould be reduced by increasing the number of strutures, and be built in different parts of the world.
One of the problems is the defining of the proper materials that will last through the earths change, with a increased gravity and no magnetic field, this might be a job for some one that built a satilite that was designed for MARS, or Venus, there are two countries that have sent successful missions to both places one russia sent to venus and the usa who sent to mars. does any one knoiw is the designer of the venus satilite still alive.
if should be that the goverments of the world are people os a selfish and poor means either way with out the ablity to design and see to it the safty of humanity, well then we can see what the past has given us and can teach us, a hole in the ground, a pryamid, a aztec temple a stonehedge, a cave, a boat, and a sun disk with which to reflect sun light with intensity to the areas where agriuculture is to be grown, all of these ancient tools of those surviving the last polar switch, the use of fur, stone to warm and crack to shape,chip to shape, we also have sound which will be able to produce supersonic sound waves, at least super sonic waves in our present atmosphere.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Someone asked for some equations, well the basket weaver said that the reed was three times longer than the width so it would make a circle basket. as they are all the same length.

here's a list of static polarity of atoms.
By the way all electrons on earth are polarized by the magnetic field to some exstent!

POLARITY:
H 0.666793 SN 7.7
HE 0.204956 SB 6.6
LI 24.5 TE 5.5
BE 5.6 I 5.35
B 3.03 XE 4.044
C 1.76 CS 59.6
N 1.10 BA 39.7
O 0.802 LA 31.1
F 0.557 CE 29.6
NE 0.3956 PR 28.2
NA 24.08 ND 31.4
MG 10.6 PM 30.1
AL 6.8 SM 28.8
SI 5.38 EU 27.7
P 3.63 GD 23.5
S 2.90 TB 25.5
CL 2.18 DY 24.5
AR 1.6411 HO 23.6
K 43.4 ER 22.7
CA 22.5 TM 21.8
SC 17.8 YB 21.0
TI 14.6 LU 21.9
V 12.4 HF 16.2
CR 11.6 TA 13.1
MN 9.4 W 11.1
FE 8.4 RE 9.7
CO 7.5 OS 8.5
NI 6.8 IR 7.6
CU 6.1 PT 6.5
ZN 7.1 AU 5.8
GA 8.12 HG 5.7
GE 6.07 TL 7.6
AS 4.31 PB 6.8
SE 3.77 BI 7.4
BR 3.05 PO 6.8
KR 2.4844 AT 6.0
RB 47.3 RN 5.3
SR 27.6 FR 48.7
Y 22.7 RA 38.3
ZR 17.9 AC 32.1
NB 15.7 TH 32.1
MO 12.8 PA 25.4
TC 11.4 U 24.9
RU 9.6 NP 24.8
RH 8.6 PU 24.5
PD 4.8 AM 23.3
AG 7.2 CM 23.0
CD 7.2 BK 22.7
IN 10.2 CF 20.5
ES 19.7

LOOKING AT ELEMENTS H, HE,O,F,NE WE CAN SEE WHAT IS THE MOST POLAR MOLECUE WHICH IS HELIUM, SECOND WE CAN SEE IS NEON, THEN FLORINE, AND THEN HYDROGEN, COMPARING THIS WITH THERE ABUNDANCES IN THE SOALR SYSTEM, UNIVERSE AND EARTH WE CAN SEE THAT HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE THE RULING FACTORS, AND AS WELL THEY ARE THE MOST MAGNETIC, AND BOTH ARE SUPERCONDUTORS AT SPACE TEMPTURES, VERY LOW TEMP, THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT IN THE BEGINGING OF EARTHS FORMATION THE WOULD EXIST TO START AND HOLD A MAGNETIC FIELD, THERE IN ABLITY TO ESCAPE THE MASS THEY FORM PROVIDES THAT THEY REMAINED CENTERED TO THE EARTHS FORMATION, ADDTIONAL HEAVY MASS WOULD NAVIGATE AROUND THE MASS, IN LAYERS FORMING THE CRUST OF EARTH, FURTHER IN SUCH WARMTH THAT WOULD EXIST CREATED BY THE HYDROGEN AND HELIUM AS A SUPPER CONDUCTOR, SUCH WOULD DEFINE PREESURE OUT WARD AND EXSPANSION IN TO THE SURROUNDING UNVERSE AT A CONSTANT WHICH MAKES THE WORLD ROUND, THIS SAME ATTRACTION PROVIDES THAT THE CENTER OF THE MASS OF EARTH HAS A HOLLOW, WHICH IN EQUILBRIUM PROVIDES THAT THE CENTER HAS A GRAVITY AND TEMPTURE EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN SPACE,PRESENTLY 50 DEGREES KELVIN,THE TEMP OF THE SOLAR ATMOSHPERE, THIS CENTER WITH OUT SUNLIGHT IS COLD, VERY COLD, COLD ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN A STATE IN WHICH HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE POLAR CAUSING THE MAGNETIC FIELD, AND COLD ENOUGH THAT SUCH DOES NOT BREAK APART.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Well what causes the poles to switch in the first place, well they follow the galatic equator, along with the equinox, this cause ther wandering motion, what defines the zero postion is the sun and its field and gravity, in oppostion to the universal attraction, this defines 45 degrees as the zero point, the motion betwwen the two forces causes the motion of the magnetic field, and earth, all this means is that the earth is fixed in motion betwwen the two the sun and the universe, the magnetic field is also in the same motion but to a greater exstent, as the magnetic force is a componet of the earths mass it is relative in motion, simply the earths axis pivot causes it to move n/s and the earths rotation causes it to move e/w, know as the motion to wander, I.E. the wandering poles, as the magnetic pole gets closer to the axis pole on which the earth rotates, it moves faster, this rotation of earth also causes the pole to collaspe when reaching the earths axis, therfore the magnetic field travels from it zero point 45 degrees to the earths axis, at the earths axis the poles collaspe causeing the poles to switch. in this event of a switch the magnetic core is washed around every day and with the earths axis tilt of 23 degrees, this is due to solar radation inflaming the feild, at the core, magnetic fluxation from day to night, relative to the axis tilt of earth, this effect means that the poles will switch in the month of september or march, around the 21st through thru 26th of september or betwwen the 23th of march and the 6th of april sometime about 2038.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Ok then what are some other proerties of the polar switch,

Well in the begining ther are hurricanes, giant ones, that bring the ozone down to the ground level, and also they cover the outer earth with helium and hydrogen, asy the induct it inward,
after the 346 years of this giant hurricanes, it will al of a sudden stop just like it began, after it stops the earth will be very quite with out any hurrricanes for at least 70 years, in this 70 years the magnetic poles will be in the proccess of getting stroner. this growth of the magnetic field allow some sense of a magnetic field during the 70 years and be noticed more and more. overall during the entire pole switch there will be a magnetic field, one that takes 346 years to vanish and one that takes 70 years to return, between the 346 years and the 70 years there might be a time of about 10 years or one years of no dierctional motion of the field going or coming, this will be due to magnetic field curnning to a new start postion and alginement.
the giant hurricanes that bring the ozone down to earth will deteriate the the surface of earth such as rocks, and cause burns of life forms. this will not be a severe event over all, but will cause rock faces to crumble, foreset to disappear, mud slides, and cause such problems with humans as hair loss, burns, lung burns, it will also cause the weaking and breakage of plastic objects, overall oxygenation of metals causing rust and corrosion. this ozone injected by the hurricanes will eventually rise and settle above normal beathing atmosphere, and contact with earth surface, however this will not occur untill the hurricanes have died out, that means 346 years of battling ozone on the surface.
the event of the ontake take of hydrogen and helium will allow the upper atmosphere to fill up, but will also add hydrogen and helium to the earth surface, this will creat water when mixed with the earths surface atmosphere, the helium will change the tone of the human voice to a very high pitch. the take on of hydrogen and helium in the upper earth will prevent intense radation from reaching earth, but still will allow sun light to reach the earth surface, it will absorb given spectrum, at the same time it will create a covering light like a light buld, such as a halogen light buld , or exactly the same as the planet neptune with its glow, or like one of the outteer planets, this will be due to the hydrogens conduction of electrons, there will be exsplsions in the upper atmosphere due to hydrogen, this blanket of hydrogen will also warn the earth, preventing a total coverage of earth by ice.
also during this time of the hurricanes the atmosphere will be getting heavier and heavier starting at the poles frist and working its way torwards the equator, as this happens those areas will get calmer and settle with the ozone riseing, here also the ice age will start growing due to the coldness and lack of sun light, and refaction of thicker atmosphere. in the travel of the hurricanes it will be very wild weather such as is seen in a normal hurricane, with ojects traveling at exccessive speed , spinning trees, homes, more like a spinning forest of trees ect... this will one of the most destructive elements of the polar switch. some of these hurricanes will act to gather up the atmosphere of earth and push it up in to the stratosphere, causing trees and cars and homes ect... to rain on the earth, inside some of them if you could look inside you would see the sea floor, this will last for 346 years. in this time you could be safe for a little while at the equator dierct, or at the poles however at the poles the gravity will be increaseing and getting colder. also to mention the hurricanes will be bringing in cold atmosphere of the upper atmosphere. as the pressure increases volcanos will erupt with lava from the upper earth plates at many fissures on land,.

DWAYNE.D.L.RABON

The event of Oxygen in the soil of earth will cause land forms to move changing the shape of many hills and valleys, this oxyegen is also the cause of the stabltiy of the hurricanes, and will also help the magnetic poles return, also due to the oxygen polarity some areas will have a remaint field such as the zero pole in mongolia 45degrees by 105 degrees. Soil will kind of gather around the hurricanes as they pass by, the crstal SiO4 will change color to either white or clear? it will change craytla agnel and energy, some soil will remain SiO4, proabally large tracks like viens of gold ect... muddy Other features, such as the soil of earth will be muddy, and the water on earth will spead to seap in to other earth regions, some going under ground, creating lakes hear and there, the ablity to walk on water will be possible, meaning that a person could walk on water practically or at least crawl, this will be a occurance of the increase in gravity and atmospheric pressure, simular to a dragon fly that floats on water. this and volcanic activity will increase as the hurricanes travel to the poles, after the hurricanies have travel a distance to the equator the volcanic activity will slow. at the end of the hurricanes about 346 years after the beinging of the hurricanes the earth will become calm. (A example of what one of these hurricanes will look like about 200 years in to thier existance is seen on the planet JUPTIER called the red eye of juptier, there is one on neptune as well).
the earth will be very calm like still water or fog, at this time the earth will start developing a new magnetic field, also during this time because of the new gravirty and pressure the clouds will not be in the sky but on the surface level, there will be no rain, just mist, heavy ,heavy fog this will occurr during the 70 years, as the magnetic field gets stroner, the mist will rise and become clouds again, as there will be very little land and lots of mush and hard water the mist will basically be on the water,deep in the earth under the mush the earth will reform and compress rock that can be compressed with out breaking, so there will be some firm srufaces, alot of it will sink however. as there will be no rain fresh water will be on the menu, this can be take from the mist and condensed, or you could build a mountain and let the water condense on it and fall into a pot ect...
other event such as metals and conductive materials such as gold will still be very vaulable for warming things,but they will be like puddy, you could mold them like clay, the conductive elements will be very warm to touch, like picking up a cup hot coffee, some may burn on touch, aluminium will be very hot, much simular to mercury, infact the warmth of aluminum will be the sourch of water evaporated into mist. You will not be able to see the stars, taken given the upper gases effect, the will be a light bullb day and night, with the acception of about maybe a hour or two of the 9 hour night.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Dwayne,

Do you know what an "equation" is?

- Warren

the poles will switch in the month of september or march, around the 21st through thru 26th of september or betwwen the 23th of march and the 6th of april sometime about 2038.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Thank you, Chicken Little. Could you then, disconnect your internet connection, build your underground bunker, lock yourself inside until "sometime about 2038," and we'll see what happens. Seeya then.

BTW - don't hold your breath. :D

Lastly as i said before it sounds like the riddle of the sphinks, for this reason, with the increase in pressure , the human will have to walk on all fours or in a hunched postion,and then once again start walking upright, so at first you will have to crawl or walk like a baby then like a old man and then like a upright man. to protect your heart rate, simple simular to high blood pressure or the accelerated rythm and heart rate of a cameleon, your heart and palpation cycle will have to adjust, this requires a strong heart, as gravity will increase to 40 ft.per sec per sec, that is exspericned by astronauts in take on the shuttle, living in it though will cause some changes, and as there is no magnetic field, to help palapation, static cycles, wave frequency travel better horizontaily, so a bent over postion or lying down postion simular to astronauts will be the safest when it comes to heart rate and palaption. you can see how the sphinks sits.
you can se how cromagnon man and other cavemen had to walk hunched over, and some men still have that same hunch, that is the heritary hunch of the old ancestors that survived the last polar switch. In addtion the human may grow a tail, as is seen in embrology, this tail bone that rest betwen the hips, would under those condtions be a relative gentic factor, and such pressure and equinox would activate such junk dna, so then sometimes born with a tale or a thrid leg. and you will prasie the sun every day it shines looking in the sky for it to rise in the mist. souds like the riddle of the sphinks if you ask me.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Dwayne,

You're a complete, total raving nutball.

- Warren

even to me, and I'm no geophysicist

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon

LOOKING AT ELEMENTS H, HE,O,F,NE WE CAN SEE WHAT IS THE MOST POLAR MOLECUE WHICH IS HELIUM, SECOND WE CAN SEE IS NEON, THEN FLORINE, AND THEN HYDROGEN, COMPARING THIS WITH THERE ABUNDANCES IN THE SOALR SYSTEM, UNIVERSE AND EARTH WE CAN SEE THAT HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE THE RULING FACTORS, AND AS WELL THEY ARE THE MOST MAGNETIC, AND BOTH ARE SUPERCONDUTORS AT SPACE TEMPTURES, VERY LOW TEMP, THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT IN THE BEGINGING OF EARTHS FORMATION THE WOULD EXIST TO START AND HOLD A MAGNETIC FIELD..

Sense of chemistry...so offended...can't....respond coherently....

twitch
twitch

Well i certainly have grown tired of the comments, the event of many of the comments that i have lead me think that many of you are very sick, and that in the future and mabe even in the present some of you will be a harm to others.
fristly if you know so much that you derive better than what i have provided, then you should state so, however none of you could or did, nor could you provide the circumstances that intail the event of the polar switch, athough such is a know event.
it would be a shame if scientist or people or intelligence where to prform communication and discussion about a inportant issue effecting humankind in such a manner as was displayed by many of you that preport intellgence and science. plainly there are many fields of science and many people studing different facts of that field, with numerous discovery that can not even be cataloged, the compling of that wealth of infomation to resound completion of a built task requires communication, not the concept and ego that regardless of what you say i say this ectra... in such there is no accomplishment. plainly many of you exspress your self in this way, as if your ameture development in science would provide you a noble award, because you decided that something was one way, although in science the understanding of transtion is necassary to make any acomplishment.
saddly many of you would take to much nutruing to bring to a clear mind of reality, you can only be given facts and allowed to work it out.
In the end if you fail to accept notice of events of warning then it is your own hardship,

The hollow core of is 11.33 miles thick, with a circumfrence of 35.8 miles.
the magnetic field core exstends from this this 35.8 mile circumfrence to a circumfrence of 436.8 miles and is 139 miles thick,
the magnetic core is composed of hydrogen helium and oxygen, all diatomic gasous, that define polarity. this helium and hydroge are stable, having a exstensive atomic life time, the magnetic core is of superconducting helium and hydrogen, and oxygen. the magnetic field is conducted through earth by the aliegnment of oxygen thoughout the core of earth, in addtion to other elements.
the polar switch is not a joke and is due to occur this century given the reports of those tracking the motion of it, this motion is effected by the spin of earth and other factors, the spin of the earth causes the poles to be induced to its axis where in end result the poles collaspe, currently the north pole is 7.2 degrees away from the magnetic pole. the average rate of travel or the magnetic poles is 12 to 14,000m a year, in comparison to the past rate of 11.8km, the rate of increase of motion is due to the induction of the earths spin. (like wise the south pole.)

I find many of you to be rude and ungreatful, and it is such character that confuses science. in this event you would argue to hide the clamity of the world untill it was to late, and in such time you would have hide from the world the means to define savior, as you dispell facts with nonsenses, consuming the ignorant but yet alive and human that would depend, as a child.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Yes, Dwayne, make us all feel sooooo guilty for not listening to you, since, after all, you're just handing us the answers on a silver platter and all we're doing is making fun of you.

For the last time, Dwayne: you're a raving nutball. What you offer is not science, it's delusional paranoia. Please go away.

- Warren

Really, guys...it's pretty obvious that he's just having fun by seeing how worked up he can get people by posting wacky ideas. Responding to him seriously is only adding to his fun.

Post your theory, by all means. But provide all observations, calculations, and equations to support it.

EVIDENCE OF ATOMIC POLARITY


Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon


here's a list of static polarity of atoms.
By the way all electrons on earth are polarized by the magnetic field to some exstent!

POLARITY:
H 0.666793 SN 7.7
HE 0.204956 SB 6.6
LI 24.5 TE 5.5
BE 5.6 I 5.35
B 3.03 XE 4.044
C 1.76 CS 59.6
N 1.10 BA 39.7
O 0.802 LA 31.1
F 0.557 CE 29.6
NE 0.3956 PR 28.2
NA 24.08 ND 31.4
MG 10.6 PM 30.1
AL 6.8 SM 28.8
SI 5.38 EU 27.7
P 3.63 GD 23.5
S 2.90 TB 25.5
CL 2.18 DY 24.5
AR 1.6411 HO 23.6
K 43.4 ER 22.7
CA 22.5 TM 21.8
SC 17.8 YB 21.0
TI 14.6 LU 21.9
V 12.4 HF 16.2
CR 11.6 TA 13.1
MN 9.4 W 11.1
FE 8.4 RE 9.7
CO 7.5 OS 8.5
NI 6.8 IR 7.6
CU 6.1 PT 6.5
ZN 7.1 AU 5.8
GA 8.12 HG 5.7
GE 6.07 TL 7.6
AS 4.31 PB 6.8
SE 3.77 BI 7.4
BR 3.05 PO 6.8
KR 2.4844 AT 6.0
RB 47.3 RN 5.3
SR 27.6 FR 48.7
Y 22.7 RA 38.3
ZR 17.9 AC 32.1
NB 15.7 TH 32.1
MO 12.8 PA 25.4
TC 11.4 U 24.9
RU 9.6 NP 24.8
RH 8.6 PU 24.5
PD 4.8 AM 23.3
AG 7.2 CM 23.0
CD 7.2 BK 22.7
IN 10.2 CF 20.5
ES 19.7

LOOKING AT ELEMENTS H, HE,O,F,NE WE CAN SEE WHAT IS THE MOST POLAR MOLECUE WHICH IS HELIUM, SECOND WE CAN SEE IS NEON, THEN FLORINE, AND THEN HYDROGEN, COMPARING THIS WITH THERE ABUNDANCES IN THE SOALR SYSTEM, UNIVERSE AND EARTH WE CAN SEE THAT HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE THE RULING FACTORS, AND AS WELL THEY ARE THE MOST MAGNETIC, AND BOTH ARE SUPERCONDUTORS AT SPACE TEMPTURES, VERY LOW TEMP, THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT IN THE BEGINGING OF EARTHS FORMATION THE WOULD EXIST TO START AND HOLD A MAGNETIC FIELD, THERE IN ABLITY TO ESCAPE THE MASS THEY FORM PROVIDES THAT THEY REMAINED CENTERED TO THE EARTHS FORMATION, ADDTIONAL HEAVY MASS WOULD NAVIGATE AROUND THE MASS, IN LAYERS FORMING THE CRUST OF EARTH, FURTHER IN SUCH WARMTH THAT WOULD EXIST CREATED BY THE HYDROGEN AND HELIUM AS A SUPPER CONDUCTOR, SUCH WOULD DEFINE PREESURE OUT WARD AND EXSPANSION IN TO THE SURROUNDING UNVERSE AT A CONSTANT WHICH MAKES THE WORLD ROUND, THIS SAME ATTRACTION PROVIDES THAT THE CENTER OF THE MASS OF EARTH HAS A HOLLOW, WHICH IN EQUILBRIUM PROVIDES THAT THE CENTER HAS A GRAVITY AND TEMPTURE EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN SPACE,PRESENTLY 50 DEGREES KELVIN,THE TEMP OF THE SOLAR ATMOSHPERE, THIS CENTER WITH OUT SUNLIGHT IS COLD, VERY COLD, COLD ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN A STATE IN WHICH HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE POLAR CAUSING THE MAGNETIC FIELD, AND COLD ENOUGH THAT SUCH DOES NOT BREAK APART.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Plainly the materials that generate the magnetic field are helium,hydrogen,and oxygen. The core of the earth can not be solid as a matter of universe exspantion, and attraction. Put another way atom in space has no polarity, the same as for life forms in space, the simply just float, with out pressurization the bloat, actually exsplode, humans in sace also lose bone mass as there is ho center of gravity. what that means is that a object in space, exspands in all direction, this exspansion is a result of the exspansion of the universe, and its background constant, which is lower than the surrounding solar system, and galaxy, at 2 degrees kelvin it is the biggest heat sink that you will ever find.
here at 2 degrees kelvin all objects must give to it or be taken by it, simular to the idea of a black hole. you can't exscape the heat sink, even to exist as a particle or planet ,human ect.. energy must be given to it, or be absorbed by it.
because of its demanding attraction on all obecjts that exist, and it vastness it attracts and absorbs at every angle that exist, due to this all planets and suns ect... are round throughout space, here mass is attracted at every angle and therefor a square planet of triangle planet is not found in space. it is the universal law. this attraction furture attracts to such a exstent in the forming of stars and planets that mass has no center point, not even atom. understanding this law the second fact of evidence is the event that mass has gravity, when looking at a man made solid ball cut in half, we can see that more mass rest on the out side than the inside, due to this example it is demonstrated that under the laws of gravity(resting static energy) that the earth in natural motion as the planets and stars follow the same structual shape, this defines that due to shape, the out side rim which possess more area,then is in possession of more mass, this mass brings the center to the out side rim forming a hollow core of each planet and star. the event that the universe attracts at a greater rate than mass demonstrates that there is more mass in the outside rim or the planet. takee your choice mass and area, or attraction of energy and mass.
the center of the earth is hollow with a diameter of 11.33 miles, on that is a shell of helium, hydrogen, and oxygen. the main parts helium then hydrogen, this mass of the magnetic core is 139 miles thick. the elements are the most abundant elements in the universe, are the compostion of solar wind, and galaxtic wind, the two elements also are diatomic and polar to them selves in chemical bond, and in generating a current. there is no other suitable mass to exist at the core of earth, not only does it meet the above points but it follows universal law, in that it exspends energy quick enough to beging a structure of mass built on a heat sink of the universe and hold mass, seen in the affinty of hydrogen in natural chemistry as well.
Consider this hydrogen escape ratio, helium escape ration, abundance, stablity, and endurance, as they can be reused and resuses endlessly?, consider its ablity to concentrate.
there is no other mass more suitable or likley. Helium and hydrogen can have a magnetic reversal and return, as seen in the record, iron can not do this, nor nickle, they can hold a magnetic current but if altererd even a little that current is destroyed, a magnetic reversal would not return as seen in the records if it was a iron core,and futher would never return with the near strength as before do to increasing temp, atmoic decay, and least to say it would take almost as long as the record says earth has been around just to sink to the core of earth.

GET OFF THE IDEA THAT THE EARTH HAS A IRON MAGNETIC CORE,

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Dwayne

Firstly :eek:

And secondly :confused:

Third :bugeye:

And lastly :rolleyes:

:cool:

I'm just waiting for the final post that makes the connection with another evidence-rich scientific post. You know, the one that would state that not only will the pole flip, gravity disappear, survivors run to the pyramid of Hope, rain not fall, etc, etc, but that the Earth will become a Type IA supernova.

:rolleyes:

- Jaxom

The magnetic pole of the earth is 7.2 degrees from the axis of the earth, the axis of the earth will cause the magnetic field to switch.
Phsyical exspermint, take a magnet and place it on a little round float, float the magnetic in the toilet,spin the magnetic, flush the toilet, does the magnetic sink or does it float.
Point is that the magnetic field moves, rotates opposite the rotation of the earth, they are two restiting force, one is weaker than the other and is attracted to it, when the magnetic field reaches the axis of the earth which is stronger that the rotation and strength of the magnetic poles, the magnetic poles are inducted in to the earths axis spin and collaspe, just as what happens in the toilet the field id forced to collaspe, it divides and splits traveling out its current to the end point which is at the earths equator. at the equator of the earth the poles material helium and hydrogen, are warmed at the equator and compressed, due to the spin of the earth this defines there polarity in direction,as well the chemical polar bond of the diatomic elemet{atom behavior}, the attraction of the univese as well demaning energy most at the poles of earth. the poles in there reoccurance appear at the 45 degree latitude, due to the earths spin, the poles gain highest fluxs at the latitude equator, but can not maintain there because of spin and compression, there for as they are relative to motion they chose the next higest flux point at the 45 degree lat. and gain further energy by longitude where rotation is faster and a field can appear due to a decrease in latitude compresseion.

In all this time of pole switch it takes about 410 years, in cludes iceages, atmosphere changes,the surface shrinking and exspanding lunar change and more.. mass exstinction
At current motion less than 37 years, can something be done YES!

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

In the beging of the polar switch one battle will be fighting the effects of ozone in the air that have been brought down fromw the stratoshphere, by the giant hurricanes, another is the event of helium in the atmosphere which will cause a change in the voice of people to a sound of a more higher pitch, if the helium ontake in the 346 years is in great amounts the language the we speak will not be understandable by others due to the distortion, you can see how we would sound if you go to the ballon store and buy a helium ballon and breath in some of the helium, very odd sounding, this is what humans that surive to the end of the 346 years will sound like, it's a very high pitched sound,(don't breath to much though if you should get curious and want to try it out, it won't harm you but you can get very light headed, with to much..ect, the event of helium and hydrogen take on will fill the upper atmosphere from 600 and up to the 4,000 to 9,000 mile mark, where this will act kind of like a magnetic field, and will prevent particle bomardment of the surface, and will warm the earth by the conduction of electrons, and solar energy, oddly it may be possible that a metalic film of hydrogen and helium combined may form? the giant hurricans cooling the earth with cold upper atmosphere, and vanishing background energy will cause the iceage.
One real issue is that of atmospheric pressure, the new gravity and pressure will increase as the hurricanes get closer to the equator, this event of gravity and pressure will compress the atmosphere, and the lack of a magnetic field will cause the oxygen and nitrogen to seperate, with the nitrogen resting on the oxygen like a blanket, when they seperate they will each be pure layers of gas, the layers will start to appear just afyer the hurricanes appear, and get larger as the hurricanes travel to the equator, what this means is that humans will have to breath pur oxygen rather than the mixture of oxygen and nitrogen. saddly humans can not breath only oxygen in pure form, and high denstiy, as it causes OXYGEN TOXICITY, which causes central nervus system toxicity, which results in convulsions,pulmanary faliure, and burns, seziures and results in death, the coming of this ortion of the pole switch is a serious one because, underpressure both nitrogen and oxygen become a king of drug that makes you euphoric, and deluisional. in this issue it would be kind of like a gase bomb ect that hit a town, different towns will just be happy for about a day maybe two and then start twitching and vomiting, and then die.it would look like a room of sleeping people ectt..., the event of this layer of pure oxygen and nitrogen are a real problem, because it kind of sneaky in comparsion to the hurricanes. however it not undeafeatable, however in the beging with out alot of atmospheric warm to cause atmoshpreic convection it will be difficult, but the moon will cause convection(some),and the sun at noon, the layers of oxygen will meet the layer of nitrogen at the 15,000 ft mark, here convection will occur, and as the oxygen will be less dense at this level the nitorgen will mingle with the oxygen, this will provide a safe zone to as low as posibbly 5,000 ft, the 5,000 ft window will open broadly with the warming of earth by the sun, and high and low pressures created by the motion of the moon, and as there will be a weak field there will be other convections caused by premenated local fields, oxgen polarity in soil,SiO4.
capsules made for containment about the size of a car could be made (automoblie industry), and maintian life if they could exstract breathing air from the ocean which actually, gives a better breathing air that what we normally breath, one issue though is that water will kind of be like jelly.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

A intresting note to the times when the pressure increases, and changes is present, the crabs and bottom shellfish will come out of the ocean,and crawl all over the land.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
the crabs and bottom shellfish will come out of the
ocean,and crawl all over the land.
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Attack of the Crab Monsters! (http://www.autographsmovieposters.com/crabmonsters.html)

The event of the disappearing magnetic field, also causes the earth to shrink, this must be added to the event of defining a safty zone. over all the entire earth will shrink some 80 miles in diameter, and 40 miles per hemishphere, on the surface the land mass will shrink some 1,200 ft to 2,000 ft, the event that the earths atmosphere will be a safe zone from 5,000 ft and up, with the most safest breathing atmoshpere about 15,000 miles and up and below for some measure, (as much as the 5,000 ft level via convection). the event of the earth sinking must be added to the saftz zone, or to say subtracted, this gives the minium of the safty zone a 6,250 ft level, with a optium breatheing zone of 16,500 ft. here we can see that life of humans will survive in the mountain ranges from 5,000 to 20,000 ft, with the 5,000 ft level being the survival shore line, given the circumsatnces this shore line will be one that is invisable, where in a person can accidently wander past the invisable shoreline zone for as much as several days,to sevreral hours, as the length of the day is only 9 hours but light all the time exccept for two hours, the longest safe time in such a wandering person would be about 2 hours or so it varies with oxygen toxicity and possiblty of nitrgoen occurance.
in this we can beging to see the land scape avaiable to humans during these times during a pole switch, another aspect of the landscape will be that the water level will rises as far as the 1,200 ft level, but the water depth around the world will less, in stead of covering 70% of the world the oceans will cover 82% to 85% of the worlds surface.
in this we can now see the danger zone, which will exsit between 1,200 ft above current sea level and up to 6,250 ft level,
intresting enough one the endge of the 1,200 ft level, the event of survial will be possible to some exstent in some areas, as the sea will give off nitrogen in any warm area, mostly on the equator where sun light is direct and gravity will induct electrons from the atmoshere,( plainly some areas). dangerous!
the total livable land surface of the earth at such time will be about 5% and optimual living less than 1%, maxium living area sustaining earth life forms is 3,000,000 sq miles fo the entire earth, thats just about the size of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Over all the safest regions to live in due to regards of the atmospheric condtions is Asia, and South America. China is situated by far the best. after the above two North America and then Africa, both Europe and Austrlia, Russia are very poor places to live and very much in the danger zone for atmospheric condtions, with the exception of Switzerland. Much of Africa is also badly situated, leveing very small islands of life much like Europe.

To understand how people will feel and what the new gravity will be like, a person can hang up side down for about 5 to 10 minutes, the wieht and felling of blood will be the same when you try to lift your head and arms.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Damn, Dwayne, you're still talking?

*listens to the crickets*

- Warren

So the what can world goverment and goverments do, For one presently they can eliminate passport laws.

The goverments of the world can design the minum of 8 buildings in differernt locations around the world, above the 6,250 ft mark perferably above 10,000 ft. these compounds would be capable of housing the entire world population, each person in a 2 ft x 2ft x 6 ft capsule the provides decompression.

Helium and neon even hydrogen? and nitrogen can be provided in small hand held canister, and large canstiers, in the immediate change and for circumstances of transtion from the danger zone to the safe zone and population decompression chambers and compound above 6,250ft and 10,000 ft,

in major areas where given regions and countries are in the danger zove it may be possible to design several oil tankers that act as decompression chambers and transport, the population to a security zone above 6,250 ft.

the automoblie industry could be reconstructed to mass produce a capsule that acts as a decompression chamber.

Iron magnets or superconducting magnets can be placed above the 6250 ft mark and upward, these magnetics can produce a field strongenough to act as convection due to oxygen and nitrogens polarity, causeing a column of convection, of mixed nitrogen and oxygen.

also mouth pieces simular to a filter can reduce the density and pruity of oxgygen, halting the event of oxygen toxicty.

the main issue after all of this was done would be the event of food resources.

many aspects of such management of the human populatiuon in such circumstance, are milarty in order, and prison management or penial instution management. What about free movement?

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

For one presently they can eliminate passport laws.

Gee... what possible implications could an idea like that result ? :rolleyes:

To understand how people will feel and what the new gravity will be like, a person can hang up side down for about 5 to 10 minutes, the wieht and felling of blood will be the same when you try to lift your head and arms.

Dwayne, you've been spending too much time upside-down. Please return to the mothership.

Are you still at this? Magnetic poles have reversed numerous times in the (prehistoric) past. Its no big deal, and has nothing to do with gravity. It will require us to revise navigation with magnetic compasses, and there will probably be some nasty magnetic storms, but the average citizen wont notice much.

Hans

Ohhh, sorry, I only now read Dwayne's posts, heheh. Well, I thought I'd seen them all, but the www never ceases to surprise.

Hans

In addtion to atmosphereic condtions, there is the event of the earths rotation that will in times cause the 6250 ft level to be saturated with oxygen, this oxygen will seep up or blow up from the lower 1,000 to 2,000 ft level, causing for periods of oxygen rich atmosphere, so then there will have to be oxygen montiors to provide warnings, something like area warning for pollution, present to day in different cities and counties.
6,250 ft level will also in addition to housing people will have to operate to support agriculture, such a requirement of land for agriculture, defines that humans will have to live above the 8,000 ft mark at minium depth, trees and agriclture will undoubtly suffer form burning by oxygen, and the event of lack of direct sun light, or the change from sunlight to thermal warmth and atmospheric warmth conduted by the helium and hydrogen in the upper atmoshpere(4000 to 9,000 miles), quite frankly bushes and shrubs, underground foods such as the potato, and root foods such as carrots will be the source of food and thrive the best, growing very large in areas of warmth, tall tress, furit bearing plants and the like will sufffef dwarfism, and become bushes and shrubs that may yeid many fruits in warm areas, trees will be able to survive in the danger zone from 1,000 to 6500 ft but will be subject to heavy oxgen attack. one reason for the dwarfism is due to the weigt of carbon and CO2, which will be compressed in to a heavier and thinner layer, the other reason is the new gravity. dwarfism is not subject to oxygen exsposer but thicker rines will be. (the thicKness of rines is something that i think huamns exsperinced before, and is the reason for canie teeth in humans, and not the advent of eating meat.). water that is forced up through the land will form small seas and lakes, just below the 6250 ft mark and will be the source of the trres water supply. the event of bushes and shrubs to grow very long roots will exist, to limit the number of plants per crop, however the lack of water may force the roots to actuallly grow deeper in stead, exstent root grothw will be exspected.
In the exstent of the danger zone it will exstend from the invisable shoreline at 6,500 ft to the opean ocean and cover the ocean, here on the ocean in certain places small layers of mist will form like clouds in the atmosphere,exccept there will be no clouds in the higher atmoshpere as seen today, these mist clouds that form due to the event of the hydrogen escape ratio, will travel accross the waters surface, at the botom of theses mist layers water accumulation will look and be like syurp, or small foating moluces of syurp, mist that reaches the 6,500 ft mark will be more like water and more so as the elevation gets higher, at about 15,000 ft it will be near normal water. the exsent of the danger zone the span of the oceans will exist as a jelly/syurp, Now thats a ocean full of jelly/syurp, this type of ocean will be able to supprort more weight, and hence a boat will float more people ectra.
the event of the oceans new weight will force the shell fish to come to the surface, and move about the land all the way up to the say 2,000 ft mark and out of the ocean shores, here the shell fish will being to eat the alge that grows in the jelly/syurp, they will not need to dig down in the jelly, but they will hide here from humans and preradtors, like wise clams and other such sea animals, most sea life will come on land and eat from the sea on the shore, large animal life of the sea will chase smaller sea life on the shores in visable site, the larger animals will come to live on the shore as they will not be ables to swim in the jelly very well, if at all, at depth geater than the 500 ft mark. most animal life of the sea that exist to a deep depth will come to the surface and thrive, others will simply die in mass exstinction, kind of stuck in the jelly. and example of the site is that of salmon in a migration stream. in the mid years of the change of the POLAR SWITCH there will be many mass exstinctions, and therefor plenlty to eat, lots of dead bodies in the sea and on the earth here and there.
Animal life much like humans in resperation/ breatheing will be subject to the same 6500 ft mark, animals that wander past that mark will be subject to OXYGEN TOXICICTY,
this will be basucally the designe of the food chain, the majority of humans and animals will eat from the shrubs and bushes, and roots, the sea animals will eat other sea animals and alge, this will be due to the physical seperation of the danger zone from 6500 ft to sea level.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

I sense that Dwayne has read something concerning diving... since he's suddenly begun using words like "decompression," "oxygen toxicity," and integrated them, in fine crackpot fashion, into the dense, impenetrable web of his delusions.

- Warren

So seeing the times, how can the foood chain be inproved, for one,
Allowing wild food producing crops to grow above 5,000 ft in replacement of timber product trees,
restrict all hunting and killing of wild deer,rams, sheep ectra, dubbling their population,(artfical insemantion ectra) restricting there motion to above 6,500 ft.
Eliminate sea crops of shell fish such as crab, restrict all fishing of river spawing fish, and thereby increasing population of such animals.
such practice know will insure the event the survial of these animals and later the increased number for adjustment to the new condtions of the polar switch, providing a foood chain for humans.
Note animal life may need to develope at a lower eleveation to sustain the change and readjustment to a highe elevation at a later date.\
Note, alge will grow on the suface of water or just below the surface exspecially near the shore, alge can be croped as a very nutrious food supplement.( presently it is a very large cash crop in Hawaii, and massed produced in to health drinks).

When it comes to cashing in on theses crops, mainly the sea life, a meathod of crossing the dangerzone barrier will have to be developed. carefull management of sea population food resources will be nessacary as the area that sustains sea life will be limited as it is for humans, not deeper than 500 ft formost all sea life, no matter wear it is, thats a big difference than the current averge depth of 3 to 2 miles of depth current to day.

quite frankly the organization of life for the most part will be a socialist organiszation. meaning it will be best custom to help your neighbor, ectra.... this is not to say that freedom can not be installed, but can not threaten the establishment of the whole, the exsitance of present restraint human activity due to milatry operations cold war parnoia ect... will have to be debunked.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

parnoia ect... will have to be debunked.

Now why didn't I think of that. :eek:



There must have been a door there in the wall when I came in...

**Crazy, over the rainbow, he is crazy...**

In addtion to the events of the atmosphere and the sea, there is the event of the ice age, the event of the ice age is progreesive as the increase in gravity and atmosphereic pressure, in note to these two forces gravity will increase to 40 ft per sec per sec, atmospheric pressures will increase to 21 lbs a square inch.
the event of the increase of gravity will appear as a deteriation of the polar caps, causing ice sheets in the poles to compress, and break apart, this will be the beging also of the ice age and such ice age will in crease about 1.2 degrees per year. the ice ages progression will be in conection with the giant hurricanies that are caused by the breakup of the poles, which bring down ozone from the stratosphere, and incease hydrogen/helium ontake.
as the gravity has increased and the magnetic field disappears, the atmosphere which has become more dense due to pressure and gravity, blocks the sun light from reaching lower levels with intensity,, as well the uppper ontake of helium and hydrogen block certain spectrum, and changge enegery emmison entering the earth atmosphere, these events combined, bring on the ice age, the spread of the ice age will reach a exstent lower than the 45 th degree latitude, or plainly to the 45th degree the earth will be in a ice berge, lower it will be break apart ice brerge, and then lower pemafrost and seasonal frost.
the event of the hurricane prove crucial to the time frame of the earth when completely with out a magnetic field and the redevelopment of the field, as the place hydrogen and helium in the outer upper atmosphere that will later warm the earth and act like a thermal blaneket. where when the hydrgen and helium reach a great enough level it will act as a thremal blanket as it gains energy with its mass, this will slow the progress of the ice age and begin to melt the ice, making more land avialbale, the refectivity of the ice sheets will also warm the atmosphere causing convection difference and making breathing more possible, the ice sheets will also provide a source of fresh water, about he last portion of the 346 years the earth will begin to warm due to the upper thermal blanket, the ice age will also help the helium and hydrogen within the core generating the magnetic field to repolarize. also around this last leg of the 346 years humans will talk with a very high pitch due to the helium ontake,
intrestingly the helium on take is crucial also in making the decompression of life forms easier,making life more stable in the atmosphere.
also during these 346 years the moon will begin to get closer to the earth, in general the moon will not gain a highly ellpict orbit, as it is the square of the earths mass, but not magnetic field and a increase in gravity, will cause it to get closer to earth, the weaker the field gets, from this we know that the moon has been getting closer to the earth for some time know. in the next 37,2 years and less it will beging to get even closer at a faster rate, this closer approach of the moon will cause a increase in volcaninc activity in unison with the poles deteriating, where the influnce of the moon on earth will increase at the core of earth bringing heavier metals to the surface, such as gold, uranium, platnium, tin, lead ect.... most of this volcanic activity will follow the path of the moon in its orbit, its wax and wane of 10 degrees, and will cause disrptions in that path as wide as 37miles and greater when at its maxium closness to earth and most active effect on voclanic activity in area of effect is some 90 miles, at the end of 346 years or abouts, the event of the last portion of the 346 years leaves the earth with out a field completely and the moon could at this time take a grand dive closer to the earth, to its new fixed point, the event of the helium,hydrogen barrier acting as a thermal blanket and solar radation, and friction will be the determining factors. after this event the worst will for the most part be over with the exception of battling volcanos and carbon dioxide.{SUPER VOLCANO}
as the moon follows a uniform path due to the fact that it is the square of mass on earth, the new volcanos will be fairly uniform in there new occurance, and once the path is located, things will be fine in that regards.
the intresting and scary part is the possible 1 to 10 year dip, which will be relavate to the appproaching speed of the moon and the current of the thremal blanket, and length of time with out a field motion.( remaint polarity may play a part)
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Man, this brings the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth" to a whole new level.

- Warren

I am in awe. This is the most detailed, in-depth BS auto generator I have ever seen. Anyone know where I can get the source code? :)

Well CHROOT that is true, it will be simuular to diarreah of the mouth, or diarreah of the lung to be a little more accurate, as the event of the attraction for the moon will cause you not to drop a stool, and waste products of the body will in most part be compressed out of the lungs, as gases. in these time a lifesavers breath mint will be much appreciated. even a tic tax would be great. would care fro me to exsplain that events of the moons progreesion torward the last 346 years and untill the repostioning of the poles 70 years later, heres a point for satres of the past and present that we live in one event of the moon geting closer is that humans have been getting taller, a quick look at the size of aminals in the records analog shows the progression or ascention and decention of the moons placement. relative fact the earths surface is a fairly recent surface. and the moons placement is relativce to growth.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
waste products of the body will in most part be compressed out of the lungs

:eek: We're going to crap out our mouths?! South Park was right -- I knew it!

- Warren

I would ask for a link to relate the gaining of height to the moon getting closer but I already know that there won't be one forth coming.

The height relationship has been attributed to better nutrition being available.

Well WET 1,
Really no web site link is needed, the moon is the earths closest source of opposing gravity, it has a gravitation effect twice that of the sun, the sun havinging a effect of about a 11 and the moon having a effect about a 5, meaing the ratio of the tide rising power of the moon to thatof the sun is 11 to 5,
you can apply the event that the moon is the square of the mass of the earth. the moons effect is greater than the suns due to the event that the moon is closer to the earth, in relation both bodies are in atmosphere of the sun. Simulary to carring a baaby on you waist. the road you walk will effect how you walk and carry the baby, the baby will effect how you walk.
like wise the moon effects the earth and the things on it, how they rise and are compressed, the apogee and perigee, of the moon eefect presseure on the earth, the closer it gets the more effect it has, due to its gravitational proxcimity.
How does the moon get closer to earth, for one the increased spin of the earth, the decrease in repling current of the magnetic field, a increase on take of mass, and a increased revoltuion of the earth, the event of a solar flare, and increase in gravity due to a condesening of mass on earth. many of these events are going to occur during the earths polar switch.
Here's a table of the moon and its motion relavant to the polar switch.

NEW POLE**********PRESENT POLE*******NO POLE
1.)*17.5miles*********35miles**********105 miles
2.)*3.3 (1.6)deg.*******10 (5)deg.*******-30(15)deg.
3.)*33/36 days********11/12 days********4/4 days
4.)*45eg. pole********current pole********no pole
5.)*large,43deg.?****now, 23deg.****gain 23deg.plus+

LINE 1.) is the direct effect the moon has on a linar point of the earth, center to center.
LINE 2.) is the change in degrees of the center moons motion on the equator, fequency of latitude N/S on the earths equator as the earth gets closer to earth.
LINE 3.) is the number of days that the moon spends in each hemishpere due to the moon earth motion.
LINE 4.) is the relavant time of placcment relavant to earths magnetic pole location.
LINE 5.) is the elliptic motion of the earths axis tilt.

Here's the effect of the emf. and moon on the earths core

Zero Gravity**Vacant Space**M/Direct Effect**M/T Effect
1.)* 59miles*****0.354miles*****35mi.*****2100miles
2.)*118*********0.708**********17.5*******1050
3.)*237*********1.4************8.7*********525
4.)*475*********2.8************4.3*********262.5
5.)*951--------------5.6------------------- 2.18------------131.3
6.)*1903********2.8************1.09*******65.6
7.)*2854********1.4************0.546*******32.8
8.)*3329********0.708**********0.273*******16.4
9.)*3566********0.354**********0.136*******8.4
10.)*3684********0.177**********0.068*******4.1
11.)*3743********0.088**********0.034*******2.7

ZERO GRAVITY) Is the depth area where in near zero gravity exist, and the space and area posses lava due to friction between the masses lower and top.
VACANT SPACE) Is the area within the ZERO GRAVITY area that posesses no mass, with the exception of places of friction, and the crossing of lava.
M/DIRECT EFFECT) is the area of the Moons Direct Effect, it deminishes as the depth of the earth increases. It is also the means by which Lava passes each ZERO GRAVITY and VACANT SPACE barrier, which causs lava flow upward around, and causes volcanic activity.
M/T EFFECT) is the the total area of the moons effect on earth to the depth, it is the area of circumference that surrounds the Moons Direct Effect, the two are connected in that lava flows from the center area(M/DE) to the circumfernce(M/TE), it is much simular to a lighting bolt in its path, very jagged.

The MOON force is greates above 951 miles depth, after this depth the Earths Magnetic Field rules most motion, the inner earth id directional ruled by the EMF, the upper inner earth is ruled direction maily by the moon.
Most Friction in the earth is created by the Moons PERIGREE, and APOGEE, relative to the difference in motion of the Moon and Earth in rotation,(The Moon and EMF flow the same directional motion in oppostion to the earths rotation).
The well of friction and lava that is created by the Moon in the earth looks like a boomerang with a ball in the middle, or simular to a Moler tooth root, horns ect... it changes sive with apogee and perigee.
This exsplains the internal earth and the moon ,emf,earth connection. and how it gets closer ect....

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Dwaine, I have to ask: Do you really think you are making sense?

If its just a joke, its beginning to become boring.

If not, you are in need of professional help.

Hans

Well WET 1,
Really no web site link is needed

Yes, Wet1, how could you be so insensitive as to request a web site link from Dwayne ? Is his word not good enough ? Is Dwayne not going to save humanity from the upcoming pole switch ? Will he not lead us into the chasms of inner Earth, where by the way Dwayne insists is hollow so we should have no problem setting up shop there, and preserve the human species in spite of ourselves ?

I ask you, Wet1, is Dwayne not our savior and messiah ? :D

This exsplains the internal earth and the moon ,emf,earth connection. and how it gets closer etc....

That's good enough for me, so precise, so definitive, so much clarity, especially the explanation in regards to "etc."

Well seriously, i think it is ironic that i should have to exsplain every detail of the polar switch, many of you must have missed earth science class, Clearly it does not a great composuite of math to define that the poles switch when in contact with the earths axis, every day common exsperinces such as flushing the toilet shoud provide you with enough relative sense to the mechanics of such a event of motion and force. Plainly i do not need to post every point to prove a point or event is fact, the fact that some of you do not adhere to such normal logic shows a numbness of you brain to respond effective to your benfit, simply argument and denial of a fact does not make science or progress of benift.
The event of endless defintion provide by me to the mecahnic of the polar switch invovles planets, the galxay, and cosmos, including the events of earth, in a agrument such as the one that many of you provide, simple denial of point of fact for point, at each point of fact, exsplaining to you would be endevrous,in such as you do not even recongize the motion of gravity ect... what it show is that you have no knowledge of science and do not repect the advent of science, so i have to ask why are some of you on a science forum.
Many of you also sound like lawyers, not scienist, or science therorist, simply a lawyer will argue any thing, regardless of right or wrong, prehence the injustice of society.
The event of my posting to this topic was due to the event that i have a indepth knowlegde of earth mechanics, the post topic asked about the event of the pole switch and its changeing, with such questions as will we survive it, therfore i have took to exspalining for those smart enough to be concerned, the event of what happens in a pole switch, and the what the change in the motion of the poles means.
since then i have been called numerous name to no end,but i have not heard any one offer a exsplaination with any vaility, what i heard was some say the pole reverseal would have no effect on humans, and it is just something that happens, such comments are rediculous, as of course something as large as the magneic field doing a reverse will have a effect on humans.
So then what i see is the insecurity of many of you, as something that you can not controll will effect and could possibly end your life and what you know of life, and for that reason you deni the fact of reality and existance. which is no help to your self, or the propagtion of any children you might have.
i wish many of you the best and that in the future that you survive the termoils of earth that have been given to this generation, and for that reason i have tryied to given the vision of what can be done to live though such, given the development of humans to technology,for humans to fall to primate state again would be a waste and hardship of humans endenvor to evolve,and progress, this is a major door time for humans.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Even lawyers need evidence to work a case.

I think "hearsay" is what you've given so far.

Or maybe we all are stupid... :rolleyes:

Well seriously, i think it is ironic that i should have to exsplain every detail of the polar switch, many of you must have missed earth science class

I think its ironic we all missed the same class.

every day common exsperinces such as flushing the toilet shoud provide you with enough relative sense to the mechanics of such a event of motion and force

Would that make the Rooter-Man a professor of physics ? Can I start crapping in the laboratory ?

simply argument and denial of a fact does not make science or progress of benift.

Then I suppose we're all in denial, in regards to your theories, of course.

so i have to ask why are some of you on a science forum.

I thought this was a gardening forum. Besides, I'm here for the beer.

The event of my posting to this topic was due to the event that i have a indepth knowlegde of earth mechanics

During this "event" in which you gained an "indepth knowledge" of earth mechanics, were there men in white coats with large butterfly nets standing in a padded room ?

of course something as large as the magneic field doing a reverse will have a effect on humans

I hope to gain super powers to fight evil criminals.

i wish many of you the best and that in the future that you survive the termoils of earth that have been given to this generation

The best to you too, Dwayne. Are they coming to take you away again?


:D

So, he got around to attacking us. Well at least that means he's not entirely cut off from the outside world.

OK, Dwaine, seriously:

Since we are so dumb, could you explain, in simple, general terms: In your opinion, what is the connection between magnetism and gravity?

Just a short post, please, and do try to proof-read a little, your attrocious spelling is rather obscuring your message.

Hans

What ever happened to good old fashioned faith?

BBC News story on the commercial prospects for reduced gravity using a magnetic field. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/2157975.stm)

Well frist off let me say this there are other points of the earths ,magnetic field reversal that are more center to understanding how to survive, than an exsplanation of how gravity and emf are connected, such as the event that the human tempture will increase to about 125 degrees from a normal of 98 degrees, why is this inportant well the the fact is that the human bodies emzymes are stable to about 117 maxium and many are only functional to about 114 degrees, plainly it depends on the person but thats the high range, well be fore those temptures bodly function ceases, reproduction ceases, meaning that humans exspecially females will not be able to reproduce at such high temptures, this defines that mating which must take place in the propagation of the human race, will have to occur at high altitudes.
the magnetic field of earth is a subportion of the mass of earth, the event of a core of earth containing a element that is polar, in its natural form,such as helium and hydrogen polar diatomic structure, provides a natural force in addtion to general mass of earth. the event of the total energy is the event of a subportion of energy called a magnetic force, gravity is the event of resting stactic energy in mass, and its attraction for what ever, simply if a atom reaches a energy level of instablity and atomic decay occurs, then it loses gravity it does not gain gravity, as it has lost energy in has lost resting stactic energy, its charge has changed to either postive of negitve to its enviroment, and therfore is placed in is equilibrium with the remaining enviorment, plainly gravity for the whole body changes by that alpha particle,given of in atmoic decay, so then you can see how that defines EMF and its relation to gravity,
plainly they are to seperate bodies but connected by a central axis, just like a building with a beam and a cross beam that cross to support the floor.
in a polar switch one of those bodies loses its connection but the mass remains the same, when redirected the poles return, just like a iron magnetic, however a iron magnetic will not return with out a force directing under limitded circumstances, hydrogen and helium are continouesly polar, and no exsterior force is needed to polarize them , as to make this short both of them are polarized by the heat sink of the universe, it is there natural state to be polarized, from here i am sure you can put togeather hoe the earth works in this relation from emf to gravity.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Heres a fact for those of you who think that the pole switchg is not going to happen soon,
The poles move in daily motion in exspansion from center to out ward, between 28.4miles and 2.3 miles, this exspansion is caused by one solar influence and the spin of the earths axis,s, the axis of the earth is 70miles by 70 miles, or 219miles in circum.
the axis of the earth is some 37.4 times greater in strength,
seen as 70miles vrs 2.3 miles diameter the exspansion of the poles to 28.4miles is the attraction or in this caes it would be more applicable to say defraction of the poles axis for the magntic pole.
here we can see that the defraction is about 33% of the force area of the axis and distroted some 13 times from 2.3 miles, at what point do you think the distortion will tear the poles apart iun to 100 pieces, at 50 miles distortion, maybe 70 miles or could it be half being 30 miles distortion. either way you looke at it by speed of the moveing center of distrortion the poles are very and let me say this again very close to switching,
you can hope for a saving grace meaning you can get a little time to bulid yourself a capsule or find some way to mange the event of a switch , even a little time to party with your mate, given the event that the magnetic poles still is 600 miles from the geographical north pole, i say that again the geographical north pole, that does not mean the earths physical axis althoguh we know its close to the geographival pole, how much saving time is that well lets see, 600 divided by 70 equals 8.6, well some where in one of thoses 70 miles is the hole, you pick, there are 8 of them left to go, of course you will have to minus one of them because thats the actual hole, so then there are 7 of them to pick from.
Well lets look on the bright side, the axis could be 70 miles from the geograghical pole, furthest from the motion of the magnetic pole, if lucky it could be at 85 degrees North by 100 degrees East,
Hey howabout that then your would have 13 degrees to go instead of only seven, maybe a little curviture will by a little time, i am sure it will.
Well for know we know we got some time but not very much of it.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Really people don't get scared now, or about the past little bit that i talked about, as i said earlier the earths diameter will shrink some 80 miles, 40 miles in each hemishpere. to give you a idea of how that has effected the earth in the past you can look at the pacific ocean, the techtonic plates, which are the remains of the last polar switch that happened some 5,000 years ago.
the pour of sea water is a major event when the earth sinks in portions, trnas forming parts of contients in to new sea floor, i amen really sinking 2000 feet is nothing in comparison to some area that sinks 3 miles.
another major event is the event of juptier which is it's self in some phase of its polar switch, apperain to be in a transtion stage, only 10 degrees from its determined axis, it polr switch cycle is some 11,500 years with a time frame of proccess some 775 years, meaning that it has switch some time in earths past. in speculation i would say that because of its appeance it is either begining its polar switch of ending it, a field that strong as juptiers already has portions of its magnetic pole either in begining or end, or it would have no spots(hurricanes) like the rest of the planets. just putting a date of the juptier switch, and relation to events on earth i would say that its poles switched causeing the little ice age, in about 1300s and began ending about the 1800s or so and we are seeing the tail end of it, with the red spot near thr equator of juptier, which the red spot moves about 1 degree ever 89 years torwards the equator. it will go stable some time next century while we are in the middle of a polar switch here on earth. good thing to becuase if it switched while we were in a switch, we have it that much worse.
another major concern is not destroying the hurricanes that will be a result of the poles breaking apart, with such things as nuclear weapons and such, as they are key to the earth taking on enough helium and hydrogen to later warm the earth, and repolerize the magnetic field with magnification, and the reexspansion of the the earths shurnken crust, as well repelling the moon.
another major event that could be a possible is the earth is hit by several asteroids during the switch which would be the devestaing blow that we would not want to exsperience.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
So seeing the times, how can the foood chain be inproved, for one,
Allowing wild food producing crops to grow above 5,000 ft in replacement of timber product trees,
restrict all hunting and killing of wild deer,rams, sheep ectra, dubbling their population,(artfical insemantion ectra) restricting there motion to above 6,500 ft.
Eliminate sea crops of shell fish such as crab, restrict all fishing of river spawing fish, and thereby increasing population of such animals.
such practice know will insure the event the survial of these animals and later the increased number for adjustment to the new condtions of the polar switch, providing a foood chain for humans.
Note animal life may need to develope at a lower eleveation to sustain the change and readjustment to a highe elevation at a later date.\
Note, alge will grow on the suface of water or just below the surface exspecially near the shore, alge can be croped as a very nutrious food supplement.( presently it is a very large cash crop in Hawaii, and massed produced in to health drinks).

When it comes to cashing in on theses crops, mainly the sea life, a meathod of crossing the dangerzone barrier will have to be developed. carefull management of sea population food resources will be nessacary as the area that sustains sea life will be limited as it is for humans, not deeper than 500 ft formost all sea life, no matter wear it is, thats a big difference than the current averge depth of 3 to 2 miles of depth current to day.

quite frankly the organization of life for the most part will be a socialist organiszation. meaning it will be best custom to help your neighbor, ectra.... this is not to say that freedom can not be installed, but can not threaten the establishment of the whole, the exsitance of present restraint human activity due to milatry operations cold war parnoia ect... will have to be debunked.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

In regard to the above post
If the food chain is not strenghted before the pole switch, the human race will strave it self during the 346 years, and they will become cannables, eating other humans, and in the time when the earth becomes healthy they will not have much to eat but plant life. plant life actually will be a very goood source of food though out the entire pole switch

Another key point to reproduction, is that inbreeding will occur in segreated populations, inbreeding produces mutations, which in this case of a polarswitch already damaging the human race, inbreeding will be a devastating event. inbreeding will slow any development proccess down. so here people of different races in internation groups is the best bet. there won't be a united nations team there to counsel you on the effects of inbreeding.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

I think even Edmond Halley would laugh at this guy.

:D

The Earths poles have changed several times; but you won't be alive to witness the next time.

What happens basically is the planet is spining in space at a great speed around our star. This is in effect like a toy top spinning on the sidewalk. What happens is the planet becomes egg shaped and starts to wobble. Then, it falls over to begin again. Some say other gravitational forces from around the universe help contribute to this effect; but we're all pretty dang crazy so who knows right? :P

we have seen this on this planet at least 2 known times in the past (althou evidence is scarse on the first;) but ask a bird flying in the wrong direction out into open sea.

They are in affect picking up the old polarity of the poles before the planet wobbled over the last time.........

:)


Anyone for a bird pie?????¿¿¿¿¿

I should have read on this more; but don't have time.

so look, this occurs over a long period of time and nature has it's ways of taking care of life. As the oceans sink life migrates to the more hospitable on the planet. Those that can adapt change and those that can't die. So land masses change and trees form on once ocean lands thus the opposite lands become oceans. The plates shift and so on..........

The Whale is one of the known ones to change in that it began as a land animal and over time adapted to the ocean life. it's lungs indicate that it was a rush job due to other extreme events at the time like the second or (third?) meteor to rip thru our atmosphere; but it's pretty easy to understand why.

:P hehehehe

The magnetic poles switch, the planet doesn't flip. This has happened quite a few times in Earth's history. Nothing to worry about.

WELL PEOPLE HERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT TYPES OF CAPSULE, THAT CAN SUSTAIN THROUGH A POLAR SWITCH ENVIROMENT OR GIVE A IDEA OF DESIGN OF A CAPSULE


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HERE IS THE REAL DEAL FOR THE FAMILY AND LONG TERMS
http://www.jrbassett.com/apollo/APCV12TN.JPG

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

This is the dumbest thread ever.

SUBMARINES ARE THE REAL DEAL WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO SURVIVE THE POLAR SWITCH THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO SURVIVE THE ENTIRE 346 YEARS IN COMPARTMENT, SUCH A STRUCTURE COULD BE DESIGNED TO HOUSE A LARGE POPULATION
http://www.wonderland.org.nz/images/ksub4.jpg
NOW THIS IS A NICE SUBMARINE,
http://www.navalsubleague.com/sub_images/lostsubs.gif
HERE IS WHAT THE SIZE OF A SUBMARINE WOULD HAVE TO BE TO SUPPORT WORLD POPULATIONS, WITH OUT DOUBT IT WOULD TAKE GOVERMENT OPERATION EVEN TO SAVE 1/10th OF THE WORLD POPULATION.
http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/carrier/Carrier-1.jpg


As we can see that the govermentsof the world seem to be doing very little at least publically, the current situation means that private citizen are actually doomed to die as the number of restrictions that exist socially, and the cost of resources. this leaves the common person with little more than a small compartment for the family such as this
http://www.jrbassett.com/apollo/APCV12TN.JPG
this leaves the common person also as a scavanger during the times of the polar switch.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Seeing the kind of vessels that are nessacary, lets look at some of the condtions of the enviorment, that have changed, for onr the water has turned to a constitency of just about syurp/jelly, there are huge ice berges, great movements of sea/oceans and sinking land masses, in addtion the soil is mushy,
one reason that the soil turn mushy is the event of release of oxygen from SiO4 and the cobination of the exrta release of oxygen with hydrogen to form water, furthur thr increase in atmospheric pressure, gravity will work both ways in making things soild and mushy, in addtion the new presssure on the oceans will push water in to the land masses, further ground tempture will increase, causing steam.
in chemistry elements will ionize at lower energy, mostly one electon orbital will be accelerated,
the earth will exsperince earthquakes and land vaulting, with vaults up ward and down ward traveling at 40 ft per sec per sec, or about 26 miles per hour, thats slower than a professional baseball player pitch, most imapcts will occur at 26 miles per hour, with such a structure as land that is vaulting, simular to a car that hits a car in a automobile accident. note most vehicals slow speed at about 1 mph per foot of space.
and also there are the 65 to 650 mph winds, mostly about 250mph, this makes flying rather difficult in many cases you will not be able to hear a person talk more than 10 ft away from you even if they scream, the wind will be cold, very cold, cold enough to freez you in a mater of minutes in some places, some of this tempture change in the new human body temp will help in fighting off the cold.
other condtion of enviroment are falling trees, rocks, and other objects sweeped up by the hurricanes.

heres a intresting note, the suns polar switch is much the same as earths, the sun shrinks by 10% each time it switches, also the earth does nearly the same, this makes for a intresting question to the rate of the sinking earth,as to its rate of sinking, is it one big sink with progressive smaller sinking or a continueous progressive sinking, it would make a bigg difference in some circumstance, meaning it would chgane the rate of some activity make for a more subtlie enviorment during the changes, here i will have to make some nots and get back with you people in my next post.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Dwayne,

Being as we have had many pole swaps, where is the past evidence for all of this that you "predict".

"Land vaulting" at 26 miles per hour? Where is past evidence of this? What you are talking here is massive earthquakes, the likes of which have not been seen. Anything like this would leave an unmistakeable trail of evidence in the rock of the world.

Winds of 650 mph? Be real, this is a bit below the speed of sound. Where is the source of this going to come from and where will it get the energy? Such wind would nearly terminate all living things on earth. It is a good thing that such do not happen on the earth.

A jellied sea? Again, where is past evidence of this happening?

Looking at this thread, I guess Dwayne aint the type that needs evidence. I think he's simply making it up as he types. And I dont think he really really believes in it himself. If he did, he would be busy finding someplace to hide rather that wasting his precious time yapping to an unresponsive audience. Still, he does qualify as the worst nutcase I have yet met anywhere.

Hans

Dwayne

The gangplank on the picture of the submarine has a name on its side; Kursk. This is the so-called "unsinkable" submarine which went to the bottom of the Barents Sea on August 12, 2000, all aboard were killed.

A really fine example, Dwayne. Why didn't you instead, put up a picture of the Titanic ?

Yes it does flip. They cn't change unless it flips because the poles are always located at the top and bottom of the planet.

Unless of course your from some alian world that defies all phisics in the known universe..........

:)

Magnetic fields for planets and other celestial bodies are not static. They change in strength and in orientation. We know this from observations of the Sun. We know this from Earth's poles slowly shifting over some distance. I believe Wet1 provided a nice thread recently about this. However, I don't believe there has yet been conclusive evidence to support this "pole-swap" idea.

Adam:Magnetic fields for planets and other celestial bodies are not static. They change in strength and in orientation. We know this from observations of the Sun. We know this from Earth's poles slowly shifting over some distance. I believe Wet1 provided a nice thread recently about this. However, I don't believe there has yet been conclusive evidence to support this "pole-swap" idea.

The direction of Earth's magnetic field has been nicely recorded, in the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. In the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the crust opens and spreads, the opening being constantly filled by hardening magma. As the magma hardens, it stores the magnetic field of Earth, almost like a magnetic tape. So by examining the magnetic field stored in the crust at different distances from the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, we can get a complete recording of the movement of the magnetic poles over millions of years. And this recording shows that they have switched position several times.

As for the planet flipping: This would have serious consequences all over the planet, since it would change the climate in many places, but nothing like the disaster that goes on inside Dwayne's head. However, there is no sign that such a thing has happened, or will happen. It seems that the inclination if the axis has changed slightly during Earth's lifetime, but nothing like a flip.

Hans

I know this is futile, but here is one piece of nonsense that can be taken apart directly:

Dwayne wrote:Note, water normallly will float 2,000 lbs per 32 sq ft, and at the equator just about 30degrees to equator 2,000 lbs per 33 sq ft. in the new atmosphere when designing a capsule water will support 1000 pounds per 32 sq ft, and 33 sq ft at the equator, this level of change is due to new gravity and atmopsheric pressure, which atmospher is on consant change.

The lift of water is not determined by area, but by volume. Water will create a lift equal to the mass of water displaced. This is TOTALLY independent of gravity, since the mass of water and object will not change if gravitiy changes.

A mass of water that weighs, say 100lbs, will lift a 100lbs object. In 1/2 gravity, this mass will only weigh and lift 50lbs, but the object will also only weigh 50lbs.

Hans
:bugeye:

Well MRC Hans, and people, MRC Hans you have said to me that the events of the polar switch will not be such a disater as i hve exsplained, saidly you are wrong, the event of the polar switch takes a planned effort to survive, and such a event is not far off from the lives of many living to day.
I want you and others to understand the effects of a electromotive force,
take a pocket comb, and walk to the water spout in your kitchen or bathroom, run a bead of water, clean and dry your comb, take a piece of tissue paper,paper towel, and rub your pocket comb, and then hold your pocket comb near the bead of water, (if you hair is clean run your comb through your hair and place the comb next to the bead of water) the water that was run in a bead will bend according to how you move the comb, if you rub the comb enough the water will turn upside down, in genral the water will move at a right angle.
the above is occurs due to the event of electrotive force, static field. likewise the earth carries this same field, and causes the atmosphere to mix and not seperate, prehence we have a atmosphere of 78%nitrogen and 21%oxygen, when such force is stopped or ceases, the oxygen and nitrogen sperate, leaveing a layer of pure oxygen on the botttom where people live, and a upper layer above the oxygen as pure nitrogen, the event of pure oxygen condensed by gravity will cause oxidation, causing rusting and burning of many man made objects, and natural objects, it will start fires, decomposes many elements, ozone will form. free hydrogen will form water. It will also cause OXYGEN TOXCITY, meaning burning of the lungs, convulsions, nausea and eventually death, how does this gradually effect the body well you in the end burn up, cook like fish out of water burned by oxygen, the gradual effect is that you feel better and better with the increased oxygen, becoming more active, and then all of a sudden you get cramps like your bones aching, sore mucles, and you beomce slightly irratable and then vomit, your lungs burn, you go into convulsions, and then you cook, just like a fish out of water.
MRC Hans don't confuse reality with what you want the world to be, the way to continue on with your life is to get up and do something be prepared, it,s not hard to prepare a capsule, you just have to do it, in this realtiy of a polar switch you will have to remember your friend and the next man.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
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DWAYNE D.L.RABON

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THESE ARE NITROGEN PRESSURES SUITS USED TO REDUCE G FORCE, THIS TYPE OF SUIT WOULD BE USEFULL IN GETTING OUT OF YOUR CAPSULE, SURVIVING THE INTIAL GRAVITY INCREASE AND SHOCK, AND IF FILLED WITH NITROGEN CAND BE USED TO MIX WITH OXYGEN FOR BREATHEING PREVENTING OXYGEN TOXICTY, NITROGEN IS VERY USEFULL AND A ENERT GAS IT CAN BE CONTAINED WITH OUT LOSS VERY WELL,
HOW TO FIND THE MATIERAL TO BUILD SUCH A SUIT, WELL MYLAR IS FAILY IN EXPSENSIVE, 50$ PER 100 LINER FT, MAYLAR WILL CONTAIN NITROGEN FOR EXSTENTSIVE TIME,(1/16 INCH THICK) YOU WILL NEED TO COVER YOUR MYLAR, A COVER SUCH AS A NYLON SUIT, AND THE NYLON WILL HAVE TO BE COVERED WITH SOMETHING AS A COAT THAT DUE DETERIATE IN HEAVY OXYGEN ENVIROMENT, SUCH AS ALUMINUM, A LINER FOR WARMTH WOULD ASSIST YOU AS WELL AS A FLOATING BLADDER SHOULD YOU GET SWEEPED AWAT BY WATER.
DWAYNE.D.L.RABON


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HARD SHELL, CAN WITH STAND INPACTS
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DWAYNE D.L.RABON

THIS IS THE CAPSULE THAT MANY WOULD NEED TO SURVIVE THE EVENT OF THE POLAR SWITCH

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DWAYNE D.L.RABON

THESE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRIES THAT HAVE THE MAN POWER TO DEVELOPE AND MASS PRODUCE THE ABOVE CAPSULE FOR A WORLD POPULATION


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DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Here's is a note on the current standing of the poles, the motion of the poles is now some 15km per year with a distortion of 80km.
What does that mean it means that the earths magnetic core is beyond 50% of reveseing. how is this determined, this is determined by the destrotion of the field in comparison to the inner circumfernce of the magnetic core, the inner circumference of the earth is some 35 to 50 miles, here at the magnetic core the magnetic field is strirred around by solar energy interacting with the earths magnetic field, this happens daily and and with the 23 degree tilt of the earth, as the earths magnetic pole enters into day light, the pole becomes erratic exspanding to some 80km in diameter, during the night it shrinks to 15/12km diameter. the change between these two values stirs the magnetic core, this causes daily variations in weather, and seasonal changes with the tilt of the axis. in general the seasonal motion has been decreaseing as the poles get closer to the axis, at about a rate of 1/5000th of a second, this is due to the earths spin which is inducting the pole the soucrce of the season, the axis spin of the earth has been increseing at about 1/10,000 of a second, togeather this change and the changes of the solar emmissions and the tilt of the axis determine the stiring of the magnetic core.
The normal induction of the poles is equal to 1/5000 of a second per year, it has now increased, and is exspressed as 15/12 km per year.
The distortion of the field is measured by how much the pole exspands during a erratic cycle, where presently that has been from 12 to 80 km. the closer the pole is to the axis of earth the easier the magnetic field can be distroted, as the axis has a influence of the magnetic pole in a opposite spin, with this effect the solar emmissions can distort the field where it can be measured, known as 80 km max. at present. this distortion is compared with the inner cirumference of the magnetic core to dtermine the point untill the pole reveseal, how far the pole has beeen distorted to a point of reversal. the circumfernce of the inner magnetic core measuring some 35 to 50 miles, compared to the 28 to 45 miles of distortion, shows that the poles are from 55% to 85% to the event of causing a polar switch, the event varies daily from 55% to 85%, On the surface of the earth a line drawn from this inner point would meet at the 10degrees south and 45 degrees south.
The poles switch when the distortion excceds some 50 to 70 miles, meaning that when the distrotion reaches this level the magnetic field of the inner core has been reveresed to meet the polarity of the opposite pole, this causes a chain reaction, exspanding to about 64 miles when talking the motion of the south pole, and near complete unison when talking the motion of the north pole, the action passes from pole to pole with the tilt of the earth torwards the sun, and daily stir, this means that the worst time is during june and july when the earth is closest to the sun.
commom features that show the efffect of this motion are the splitting of the african contient, and more than likly elnino, theres is diffulty with marking elnino due to nuclear exspermints, but regardless the action of the pole defines that could cause this event, other event are the new polartiy of the tip of south africa reported, and the new polarity near the north pole reported.
The measurement of distortion does not provide a accurate time as to when the pole will switch but it defines the medium or state at which the action of polar switch is, and such provides that a switch is soon, very soon.
A measure of 55% to 85% would provide a time from less than 37 years and less than 10 years.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
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Here is a chart of the variable possible relavant times untill the event of the polar switch, based on distortion.


Presently the greatest distortion is 80km, with general variance between 12 and 80km, the current distortion has increased from 50 km to 80 km in the poles greatest distortion, this has occurred with a 2km increase in the physical motion of the magnetic pole per year. the 2km increase has been accompanied by a 30km increase in distortion.The point of polar switch comprises a 90km to 120km maxium, at which point the poles switch.

it should be most appearant that a simular increase as recent, one with a 2km, and 30km distortion increase will place the magnetic pole at it maxium possible threshold, meaing the event of a polar switch.

The following are variables that can exist given the above (2km,30km)is not a occurance.

-Distortion---Standard Constant---Constant Acceleration
1.)---90km---------5years(2008)--------2.75years(2005)
2.)---100km-------10years(2012)-------4years(2007)
3.)---110km-------15years(2017)-------5years(2008)
4.)---120km-------20years(2022)-------5.75years(2009)

The above diagram does not take into account curviture of the magnetic pole motion, it is a account of direct motion and effect. curviture may account for as many as 10 years in some calculations, however curviture is reduced with approximaty to the earths axis and therefore was a demand for a count.

A Calculation at its minium motion and disturbance under a Constant Aceleration yeilds a date of 2039(or 37 years),useing the north geographical pole as point of threshold of a polar
switch.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
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To the better of events that have taken place so far considering the the event of the earth sinking some 40 miles in each hemisphere. the effect of the sudden sinking will be offset by the gravity influence of the Sun and the moon, this provides that land will remain above sea level and portions of the earth will not sink as far. So then in all of this coming about finally a bit of good news.
Plainly better under the Sun and Moon than any where else,in general the sun will keep above sea level a area equal to 2,762 miles or about 41 degrees, where as the Moon will hold about 2,100 miles or 31 degress and 2 times more stable than the sun.
The event of the Moons motion will carry the lifting of the land on its path from north to south. the remainder of the earth surface taht is not in direct relation to either the sun or the moon will be highly prone to sinking, prehence the earth surface is some 72% covered by water. the greates area under lift from sun and moon gravity is 35 miles under the path of the moon, here also volcanic activity will be a result and as well the up swell on land acting in counter to the sinkage of the earth.
in addtion to this good news of the sun and moons lift of the earth by gravity, the event of the shrinkage of the earth to greater depths will aslo in areas swallow up the water, or create a deeper ocean bed that will hold more water due to its increased depth, this contraction of the seas will exspose sea floor where the oceans have shurnk, these areas will be as sandy murky sea floor, and in the futrue proabally will become deserts such as the SaHara, Argentina, Gobi desert,Mexico,Texas,Australia and other places such as Russia and Canada areas once covered in sea and ice.
The change of land mass weather rising or sinking is in general due to postion of sun, postion and motion of the moon, and the intensity and closeness of that land mass to the intial sink zone, however the intail sink zone will absorbe much ocean water exsposing different sea boards, here in this event of intial sink zones and force of its wave(P/S wave) will push up land such as the pacific coast of Canada, and such as the himalaya mountains in past events,as it absorbs the ocean water. The force of the wave of the intial sink zone as it travels the earth will also push up areas simular to the appilacian mountains and other so called roleing mountians, such as in switzerland and parts of europe, france ect...
The intial sink zone will have a effect simular to the area of the pacific ocean. it is no surprise that the present mass of the earth that is above sea level was under the sun and moon and therefore accounts fro the sea to land ratio the oceans holding some 70%. however it can be assumed that many mountain regions that are above 6,500 ft (10,000ft)will be above sea level given they are some reasonable distance from the intial sink zone, 45 degrees or more.
it is assumable in addtion that the southern hemisphere will sink less than the northern hemisphere and be given more to new land rise.
in providing a approximation of where the intial sink zone will arise, given the effects of gravity and the present form of the earth, such will occur in the oppostie postion of the sun, therfore being midnight,in the months of june or july. it would apperar that in the last switch the sun was in the northern hemisphere at 23 degrees, and and the moon 6 hour away(100degrees)?

Note: the prime danger to a individual on land that shall exist to be unsunk, will be falling rocks,rolling rocks,land vaulting,and volcanic and steam discharge, earths gases, falling objects,and land sides, land fissures.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
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Well the above deals with some of the changing land features, that occur in the the first momments of the polar switch and first days of it.
when dealing with the ocean and its water and the events of the first days and moments, and its condtions, one major event among others is that in the first moments the intal shock and sink zone appear and are very destructive to most formations, in the shock wave the oceans water is released and puched by the shock wave to the equator, this means that most water in the world will converge at the equator in a giant pool, simular to the moons pooling of water at the equator, the event of the shock wave causes a huge bugle of water at the equator, this leaves other areas such small seas, the artic ocean, the nothr atlantic and areas closer to the poles with out ocean water exsposing the sea floor. this bulge of water causes a change in the Axis Tilt of the earth, increaeing the tilt from 23 degrees, in the proccess of this land has been sinking due to the intial sink zone caused by the shock wave of the polar switch, as this land has sunk, when the water flows back from the equator it fills these areas, as well it fills the intial sink zone, in this proccess new oceans are formed and new seas are formed.
a intresting note is that as gravity has increased, in the sudden event, the water will have a tendency to stay at the equator, moving slowly back to fill the new areas with water, this action and the length of it determine in part the new tilt axis of the earth, which is near 43degrees.
A new longer axis tilt and new gravity mean that the the oceans wil be calmer, slower moving but have bigger waves, and taller waves in the lagest ocean, in seas the water will be almost still. a person could canoe across the atlantic it will be so calm. also water depth in most areas will be less, meaing that a person that can walk 100 ft in to the water on the shore will then be able to walk some 500 ft in to the water before it covers the head of a person. Waters motion will be very little without a magnetic field background force, water is near a jelly( it may appear as a ice slurry but with the coldness of todays ice)
The majority of the motion of water will be over in a flash meaning about 30 days, after which the earth will still be adjuting to the sinking and rising of land, which will cause some sudden upheavals of water motion, but for the most parth the hugh motion and force of water will be over in about 30 days, at which point the seas will be rough, simular to the artic ocean or bering sea, and from there become calmer, with the exception of the hurricanes, which will keep the oceans moving rough in there areas. The hurricnaes will cause this event for 346years as they move to the equator.
The moon the sun and thremal heat will be the motion of water, heat in thermal sources will be the cause of sea rivers, kind of like oil on water. during the 346 years the only source of magnetic field energy will be the hurricanes and here water will attract as well as air, and it will attract in large amount to the Hurricanes as the hurricanes are the only source of a magnetic field.
In addtion to the wild waves of the oceans there are tuswamies, tidle waves, and large whrilpools these occurring mostly in the first 30 day as a result of gravity increase and intial shock waves, however whrilpools will exist throughout the 346 years.
to provide a vision many waves in the intail shock will be as tall as sykscapers, this type of water motion will be around for about 30 days.
Note for a person that palns to build a capsule to surive this event, should take in to account the use of gases such as nitrogen and helium as in hot air ballon, and helium ballons, to increase bouyancy in the event of being submerged in deep water. To mention a laser would be nice!
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
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What's really funny about this thread is that no one has any idea how to respond anymore. Dwayne is having an entire conversation with himself, and nothing even seems a proper response.

- Warren

if poles are going to switch (only theorising) maybe the safest place would be on the Moon

Dwayne

If I could get you to put down your, "The End of the World" sign for a moment,

how does this statement:

a person could canoe across the atlantic it will be so calm

...not conflict with this statement:

with the exception of the hurricanes, which will keep the oceans moving rough...hurricnaes will cause this event for 346years...In addtion to the wild waves of the oceans there are tuswamies, tidle waves, and large whrilpools

I'm starting to get the impression you didn't think this entirely through. :understatement:

Avatar imagines Dwayne canoening on his life saving capsule through the "hurricanes" and the "wild waves of the oceans"

edit-
nothing personal. just a picture that showed up in my mind. looks funny. sorry again

In regard to the kayaking, I mean that after all is done some 346 years later, at the end of the Hurricanes, a person could kayak or canoe accross the pacific, due to its calmness.
Just to mention a person could sail accrosss the pacific in a 18 foot boat, a 15year old did it, as well as several others, deep sea kayakers go out at least 50 miles in the ovean and thats rougher than in the middle of it, and to mention i have thought of doing it my self i did not make to the artic in the right season, so i canceled my trip as well other things delayed me. a 180degree trip around the world is not that bad, not as bad as you might think,but then i am physical high preformer.
None the less the pacifc and atlantic can be conquerd even to day, and after the end of the hurrricanes it would be even easier.
i will admit it is not chronically placed, i should have mentioned that it was after the 346 years.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Well Avatar,
Being on the moon does not sound like a bad idea, however you would have to live there for 346 years, the gravity is less and therefor your bones would get weaker, you would have to have food and oxygen for 346 years, but i am sure some meathod could be worked out, proabally the best idea would be to stay on the moon untill the intial shock wave of the pole switch pasted which would be about maybe 6 months plus the time to wait for it to happen.
To live out the pole switch on earth from the intial shock wave it will be rough and a capsule is your best protection and help.
About the canoe capsule, its not that bad of a idea for a emergency capsule, transit- capsule like a car, or a just for one person capsule, however carring the game of life you will have to carry a mate with your capsule, so a capsule for two would best suited.
imagine this a coke bottle or can can make it all the way accross the pacific ocean, in a tide wave traveling from south america to japan it would about 10 hours to travel across the pacific.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

As for the safest place to be on earth that is a very debatable subject, in regard to the intial sink zone and its wave around the world, i would assume at this point some ware on the equator, as to the water buldge that will rest at the equator, then somewhere around the 45 degree, as to the hurricanes and rising of land, then it would be a for sure the southern hemishpere, so then some where in the southern hemisphere over all would be best, the Andes Mountians, but the moutnains will be subject to volcanic activity, well any way i would just say with out giving it a lot of thought the andes mountians on the 45degree, argentina? CHINA, or under the sun.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Drayne

In regard to the kayaking, I mean that after all is done some 346 years later, at the end of the Hurricanes, a person could kayak or canoe accross the pacific, due to its calmness.

Ooooooh.... I see.... sorry, I must have dozed off there for a moment.

i have thought of doing it my self i did not make to the artic in the right season

That's a shame... the frozen tundra is really nice this time of year.

so i canceled my trip as well other things delayed me

Not that I really want to go there but.... would those 'other things' possibly be time spent working your pole shift theory ? You know, Dwayne, you still might be able to catch the last dog sled team north before winter sets in.

i am physical high preformer

I'm inclined to agree... I figured the odds were such you would eventually say something I could agree with therefore, I'm placing my bets on this one.

About the canoe capsule, its not that bad of a idea for a emergency capsule, transit- capsule like a car, or a just for one person capsule, however carring the game of life you will have to carry a mate with your capsule, so a capsule for two would best suited.

Tell me about your capsule, Dwayne.

Dwayne

Q why would you want to know about my capsule

If you're so adamant we should all be building capsules, then it would be reasonable to request to see what it is you'll be building, that is of course, if you're serious about building one at all, which I very much doubt. Take some pictures of your capsule and post them here.

IN FACT Q i dare you to the the math, i am sure your pencil will be shaking

If scientists who study these phenomena each and every day are not sure themselves, how can you possibly think you or I can come up with anything definitive... that is quite simply, ludicrous.

they fill like they are wierdos because the rest of the world is not doing the same, something like the people that built nuclear bomb shelter, people thought they where crazy untill the bay of the pigs, and the cuban missle crisis, then other people where trying and begging at the out side of there bomd shelter wishing they had built one

Uh, Dwayne..... nothing ever really happened. Those bomb shelters were a complete waste of time and money, as would be you're capsules.

Q i sugggest that you take the time and build yourself a capsule

Sorry Dwayne, but the time and effort expended on responding to your outlandish claims is more than enough. Besides, why should I build a capsule when I know well enough you will not ?

the goverments of the world have given no warning and made no preparations for the general public.

Of course not... nothing extraordinary aside from navigational issues will result from a pole switch. The issue is not the pole switch itself, but is instead a complete misunderstanding of the phenomena on your part. Unfortunately, your misunderstanding of science in general is what's fueling your erroneous conclusions.

Not even navigation issues either...isn't GPS pretty much standard in the maritime industry?

Dwayne

So allow me once again to give you a run down on the facts

Those are not facts, those are misrepresentations and misunderstandings conjured up from your imagination, plain and simple.

Plainly i have pretty much exspalined this before, why you have not grasped the concept and facts makes me wounder.

See above regarding facts. As well, it is quite clear you refuse to acknowledge facts and evidence. For example, the Earth is not hollow, it has an iron core, that is a fact. You refuse to accept that fact regardless of the overwhelming supporting evidence. I have, of course, gone well beyond the stage of wonderment.

Dwayne:

You need to either post some third party links supporting your ideas, and/or read some geophysics texts to see current testable theories on the earth's magnetism. I'm pretty sure that the core and mantle all play a role in the creation of the field, with the mantle convection acting as a generator.

And hydrogen and helium have nothing to do with this. They are rare gases, they do not fill the earth like a balloon.

The poles do switch, that much is true...but then you get on a tangent with claims, with no evidence of the massive destruction that you say comes along with it. Life on earth has gone through much worse cycles than the frequent pole switch, and still survived.

I submit that I'm no expert in geophysics...but it doesn't take an expert to see that the details of your theory need work, and evidence, to begin to be accepted.

Dwayne

that inorder for such a iron core ot exist it would still have to be forming, meaning the iron would still be sinking to the core

What do you think has been happening within the Earth these past 4 billion years ?

futhuer with such a iron core the earth would not have such a tilted axis and i say in again if the earth had a iron core the magnetic field would not return, and again the iron core can not generate a magnetic field as the event of tempture would destroy id befor it left the core.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1996/08.15/PuttingaNewSpin.html

the theroy of the iron core has been one that has been around for a long time, it has never meet the mathamatical requirements, absolutly never, and therfore remains theroy

http://www.igpp.lanl.gov/Geodynamo.html

http://istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/earthmag/dynamos2.htm

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magearth.html

you have and apparently many othes that are mentally transormed by the iron magnetic that they played with when they were a kid

Perhaps that would explain why I'm so attractive. :D

you need to deal with the fact that helium and hydrogen ar some 20 times more magnetic than iron

Have you tried to pick anything up with a helium filled balloon ? Hydrogen can be converted to water, would that make water magnetic as well ?

so get a grip on real facts.

OK, pass the bong.

Maybe we could get some book titles, then, if links are out of the question, that support your position.

It'd be interesting to compare and contrast their findings with "main stream" geophysics theories.

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
Welll JAXOM, i Have plently of book on the geophsyics of the earth, and one that complies the many arguments that exist, it is verbatium per verbatium, and it exsplains exactly why why many of those theroys do not work,

What is the title od this book and who's the author? Better yet, post the ISBN number please?

and therfore the game of finding out the actual design of the center of the earth has been a quest,
but to to define it for you the only ideas and the best ideas that are not refuted are one that the core of earth is hydrogen and helium,

Please post your evidence for this. No long rambling incomrehensible diatribes but hard evidence.

two that the earth switches its pole every 5,000 or so years,

Again, evidence?

the first one remains undefeated

For the same reason that proving Dragons exist remains undefeated. You can't prove a negative.

, the second one is the complied effort to make a standard determination amoung the best of minds.
~~~

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plainly the center of the earth is hollow and is surrounded by helium and hydrogen.

So the evidence is plain? Where is it?

the pole switch about every 5,000 years, and we are due for one

Evidence?

you need to learn to face and accept a fact.
~~~ DWAYNE D.L.RABON

You mislepped 'I'

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
you need to deal with the fact that helium and hydrogen ar some 20 times more magnetic than iron.
so get a grip on real facts.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Only if they are in a metallic state. The pressures needed to do that are not achievable in the Earths core.

Your other point is only that Iron in the core is above its Curie temperature. I suspect you are ignoring the fact that the core is under very high pressures so the Physics may be different to every day Physics. There are also other forms of Magnetism. Ferri and Anti-Ferri Magnetism come to mind. There is more going on than you realise.

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
1.) LOCATION OF THE POLES TO THE EARTHS CENTER OF AXIS

This isn't evidence -- it's a sentence fragment. And please don't type in all caps, it connotes shouting.
2.) CENTRIFICAL FORCE OF THE EARTHS AXIS, 107 MPH
No forces of any sort are measured in units of velocity; and I don't think either of us knows what "centrifical" force is.
DEDUCTION BY COMMON REASON, THE EARTHS AXIS WILL INDUCT THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD CAUSING IT TO COLLASPE.

Hmmm... common.... reason?
1.) THE ROTATIONAL SPEED OF THE EARTH INCREASES 1/10,000 th OF A SECOND EVERY YEAR.
But.... this isn't true. In fact, the rotational period is slowing down.
2.) THE SIDREAL MOTION OF THE EARTH(SEANSONAL MOTION OF THE EARTH) DECREASES 1/5,000 th OF A SECOND EVERY YEAR
The word 'sidereal' refers to the rotational period of the earth as measured by the distant, fixed stars. I believe what you're trying to describe is the 'revolution period,' which is actually not substantively changing.
DEDUCTION THE INCREASED ROTATION OF THE EARTH SLOWS THE SEASONAL MOTION OF THE EARTH, THE SEASONAL MOTION OF THE EARTH IS CAUSED BY THE INFLUENCE OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD OF EARTH, IN CONJUCTION WITH THE SOLAR ENERGY OF THE SUN.
P. Q. Therefore, M. Hmmm... I don't see any form of deduction in operation in that grammatically-incorrect construct you pass for a 'sentence.'
1.) THE EVENT OF POLAR SWITCH IS A REAL EVENT OCCURING IN PLAENTARY BODIES, THIS IS SEEN IN THE SUN EVERY 11 YEARS. THE SUN HAS A MASS 330,000 TIMES THAT OF EARTH.
Oh, is that so?
2.) THE EARTH CARRIES A RECORD OF POLAR SWITCHES, BOTH IN THE SEA FLOOR CRUST AND IN THE CONIENTAL CRUST
By Jove!
3.) THE MOTION(SPEED) OF THE POLES PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THE POLES DUE NOT TRAVEL FROM NORTH TO SOUTH OF WE WOULD HAVE A RECORD OF POLE CHANGE AS THE NOTION OF THE POLES WOULD HAVE REVESED UNDER SUCH CONJECTOR IN LESS THAN 2,500 YEARS, OR JUST BEFORE THE BIRTH OF CHRIST.
What's a conjector? Well, I can honestly say that I didn't really read that entire sentence thoroughly. I don't think it contained anything materially relevant, though.
SUCH CONJECTOR DOES NOT COINCIDE WITH GEOLOGICAL RECORDS.
YOUR CONJECTOR NO GOOD, BOSS.
BECAUSE WE KNOW THE SPEED OF THE MAGNETIC POLES MOTION AND WE KNOW THAT IT COULD NOT TRAVEL FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, THE ONLY MEATHOD OF MOTION IS FOR THE POLE TO TRAVEL THE LATERAL CIRCUMFRENCE OF THE EARTH, THIS ALSO COMPLYIES WITH THE INDUCTION OF THE POLES IN CURVITURE TOWARDS THE AXIS OF THE EARTH.
Lateral circumference? As opposed to what, the radial curcumference?
4.) VARIOUS RECORDS TESTING THE STRENGTH OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD OVER GEOLOGICAL TIME DEMONSTRATE THAT THE MAGNETIC FIELD STRENGTH IS LESSING, WHICH AFFRIMS THAT THE INDUCTION OF THE EARTHS AXIS IS CAUSEING THE MAGNETIC FIELD TO COLLASPE. WEAKING.
Watching an ant for thirty seconds will give you a very poor understanding of the ant's entire life.
EACH OF YOU KEEP ASKING FOR PROOF, AS IF YOU NEED A PICTURE LIKE A LITTLE KID, THE FACT REMAINS IT IS UP TO YOU TO ACKNOWLEGDE THEM, I HAVE MADE MORE THAT ENOUGH FACTS AVILABLE, IN MANY OF MY POST, THE FACT REMAINS THAT MANY OF YOU FAIL TO READ.
Hmmm, I admit that I skipped over the more delusional bits. However, again, I don't think I missed much of relevance.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR ME TO REINFORCE ANY THING I HAVE POSTED AS THEY REMAIN FACT REGARDLESS OF OPINONS OF OTHERS, THIS IS NOT A BELIEF CIRCUMSTANCE, IT IS A MATTER OF FACT CIRCUMSTANCE.
Of course there's no need to substantiate your claims. The tiny pink elephants in my brain have caused me to write this response, and I do not need to provide any evidence of them, either.
IN END IF YOU NEED MORE CONFIRMATION ON ANY COMMENT FOR YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL BELIEF SYSTEM THEN YOU SHOUD SEARCH THAT OUT ON YOUR OWN. FURTHUR I DO NOT NEED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE FACT THAT 1 + 1 = 2, IF SO THEN YOU SHOULD CONSULT YOU GRADE SCHOOL TEACHER. OR PARENT.
Teacher, where do babies come from?

- Warren

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
The Earth rotates on its axis and follows and elliptical orbit around the sun. The rotation makes the sun appear to move across the syk from east to west. It determines day and night,and the complete rotation,in relation to the sun, is callled the appearnt or true solar day. this varies, but and average determines the MEAN SOLAR DAY OF 24 hours.
By Jove!
SIDREAL TIME is the measure of time defined by the dinurnal motion of the vernal exuinox and is determined from observations of the meridan tranists of stars. One complete rotation of the earth relative to the equinox is called the sidreal day. the mean sidreal day is 23 hours,56 minutes,4.091 seconds of mean solar time.
The word is "SIDEREAL" you stupid monkey. Oh, and By Jove!
The CALENDAR YEAR degins at 12 o'clock midinght precisely local time, on the night of Dec 31st. The day and calander mounth also begin at mid night by the clock. the intrerval required for the earth to make one absoulte revolution around the sun is a sidreal year: it consisted of 365 days 6 hours 9 minutes and 9.5 seconds of mean solar time(approximately 24 hours per day) in 1900 and is increaseeing at the rate of 0.0001 second annually.
By Jove!
The TROPICAL YEAR, on which the return of the seasons depends, is the intreval betwwen 2 consectutive returns of the sun to the vernal equinox. The tropical year consitesed of 365 days 5 hours, 48 minutes and 46 secounds in 1900. it is decreasin at the rate of 0.530 secounds per century.
The unit of time intreval is defined to be identical with the second of ehpemeris time, 1/31,556,925.9747 of the tropical year.
By Jove!
IN general ... magnetic pole is closer to the axis the distortion grows larger, as it is father, as in the past the distortion was less.
Nothing you've posted above has anything to do with the magnetic field. Sorry.
in general this means that the magnetic field gets weaker as it approaches the axis, eventuallly collasping. the earths major problems will be when the disrtortion area meets the axis induction threshold, at 86.5 degrees north. this is defined as occuring in 5.6 years, as the United States Geologica Survey Office has located the center of the magnetic pole at 82 degrees. north.
Oh no.
Plainly many of the people that have responed to the informative post that i have posted demonstrate their ignorance, it is one thing to ask a question, but it plainly rude to insult to invoke a response for a information and verbatium.
You're a goddamned delusional idiot. How's that for being plainly rude?
some of you fail even to read the post i have written
Most of us simply CANNOT read the posts you've written.
Plainly read the post and do you own math stop asking me to do you math. as i have exsplained the proccess within reason for you to understand the points and mechanics so the polar switch.
You're an idiot. Please understand this. Then go away.

- Warren

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
would you like more dogfood chroo. in fact you name sounds like a dogs name... you dog... did your mother sleep with her father... chroot the inbreed dog... your mother has poduced a retard... bark please... good boy fetch the stick.
Man, is that really the best you can do? That's fucking pathetic! I heard better put downs on the playground in sixth grade. The sixth graders likely had better grammar than you, also.
THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE FROM 85 DEGRESS TO 45 DEGREES WILL SINK AROUND THE WORLD, THE SAFEST PALCE TO BE IIS IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE ON THE INDIAN OCEAN COAST, OR IN CHINA, AS THE NEW SINK AREA WILL TRAVEL FROM AUSTRALIA TO NORTH AMERICA, SINKING THE AMERICAN PACIFIC COAST, AS THERE ARE VARIABLES TO PROJECTED PATH OF THE SINK ZONE, THE INDIAN OCEAN CAOST AND CHINA ARE THE SAFEST PLACES, THERS IS ALSO ARGENTINA.
You're an idiot!

- Bowser

I'll give Dwayne the benefit of the doubt...

Dwayne, your theory sounds interesting, but perhaps the reason why no one here gets it is not because they're all idiots, but rather your presentation seems to be more rambling on about various topics, instead of a clear cut focus on the problem, the evidence, and such. You may have facts supporting your claim, but it's been lost in all the text.

If you'll look over to the thread discussing the ozone hole, or lack of it, you'll see a proper way to present a side to a theory, defend it, and discuss it.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12131

Any theory would look like pseudoscience if it's not presented clearly to the reader so they can comprehend the facts, the evidence, and how they relate.

Maybe if you could provide some additional material, such as the book title and author that you had stated agrees with your claim, then at least you'll have something on your side.

Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon

Total baloney snipped fore and aft.

Dwayne that is not satisfactory evidence. The onus is on you, the claimant, to prove any of this is possible or has happened before.

Given the balance of things, you are a kook of the highest order. Why don't you post this on Usenet and vie for Kook of the Month award. You stand a good chance. Almost as good as Leider and J. Michael Dell.

But I bet you have no idea what Usenet is, do you.

Originally posted by Jaxom
Dwayne, your theory sounds interesting, but perhaps the reason why no one here gets it is not because they're all idiots, but rather your presentation seems to be more rambling on about various topics, instead of a clear cut focus on the problem, the evidence, and such. You may have facts supporting your claim, but it's been lost in all the text.

It's not that, its simpler . The only facts Dwayne has to back him are ones he is inventing or have no relevance to the point.

So the Earth's magnetic field wanders and is at an angle to the rotation. So what. The Earth's core is not hollow surrounded by H and He. H and He are only more magnetic than Iron when nearly degenerate. The Earth will not be covered by 12-15 Km deep ice fields. This will not crush the mantle causing volcanism and earthquakes for 100's of years. There will be no 400-500 km/h winds destroying the surface. It has not happened before. It is all in Dwaynes' head. He is a loon.

See Dwayne, we do read and understand. It is you who have a problem understanding us.

Dwayne

sadly one of the worst cirumctance in addtion will be the event of inbreeding that will occur by those that do survive, this one event will be as crippling as a weak food chain or pole switch it self,this evnt may reduce the human race to that of a primate, as demonstrated by retardation normally atributed to inbreeding and other eccessive problems.

Now that's funny.

http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

I have been away from sciforums, with only a few moments to participate in the ozone thread mentioned above as an example of sound reasoning and scientific exposition of facts.

I would advise you, Dwayne, to prepare your posts in advance (not in real time) with a good word processor (as Microsoft Word 2000 or similar), use the spelling and grammar features of the program, in order to present a intelligible reading, making it easier for us to understand which is your point, (showing, by the way, some consideration for the rest of the forum members).

One addition: the Earth's core is not cold, of course. According to the theory of nuclear chemist J. Marvin Herndon, (which I have to check first, so I am not adhering to it) theory appeared on the cover story of August issue of <b>Discovery</b> magazine (another dubious source of information), is that the Earth's core is <b>a natural nuclear reactor, of the fast breeder type.</b> So, it is quite hot.

The currently accepted theory is that the Earth's core consists of a sphere, about 1,700 miles in diameter, of partially crystallized iron, or nickel-iron metal. This is thought to be surrounded by a fluid core of iron, nickel, and several light elements. In Herndon's view, the core is a 5-mile diameter sphere of uranium-235 and uranium-2348 and plutonium. This is surrounded by a subshell of radioactive-decay and fission products, which is embedded in a larger inner core of fully crystallized nickel silicide. The uranium inner core functions like a fast-neutron breeder reactor.

One of the most important pieces of evidence for Hendron's theory, though, is the appearance of radioactive helium-3, a fission by-product, in Hawaiian basalt. In a simulation run at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, the ratio of helium -3 to helium-4 found in the rocks was found to precisely fit a model of fast-breeder reactors. Herndon is now working in the neon isotope ratio. He believes his theory explains the phenomenon of <b><i>periodic weakening and reversal of Earth's magnetic field</i></b>, which I suppose is the theme of this thread (and of your concern).

The heat produced by the reactor propels charged particles to the surface, <b><i>which ultimately produce the magnetic field.</i></b> But the natural process of the reactor creates neutron absorbing by-products which "poison" and eventually halt the fission process. As these lighter by-products float out to the heavier core, the fission process starts again. <i>"It's a very nonlinear process"</i> says Herndon.

Herndon believes Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune also have reactors at their core. This explains why Jupiter <b><i>radiates twice as much heat as it it receives from the Sun".</i></b>

It seems plausible, but needs more research (and confirmation).

But, Dwayne, you've made a mess with the whole issue by throwing in the same bag the magnetic field, nuclear bomb tests, global warming, the El Niño, the ozone layer and CFCs. Please, try to kill the wolfs one at a time, it's easier than trying to kill the whole pack with a bazzoka you don't have.

Ok let's start over at the beginning, … Therefore when the magnetic field pole meets the axis it collapses, as it gets closer it gets weaker, and weaker.”
Well, Dwayne, it took me quite a long time to read, digest and understand what you just said, especially because I am a Spanish speaking native and, though I manage fairly well the English language, most times –(particularly in discussion boards)- I get caught off-balance by some expressions I cannot identify (are they just typos, or the mind goes faster than the fingers at the keyboard, some grammar or syntax errors, etc?) that leaves me with the impression that I have missed something important. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but everything you said in your last post is something that no one denies (I guess) as the core of your idea has been already given to us by Milutin Milantkcovitch (or Milantcovic, as Croacians like to spell) back in the 30s.
So, from the beginning, your idea (or concern) is that the Earth’s magnetic poles are changing, or will eventually reverse and the North pole will be placed at the Antarctic. Well, nobody will discuss that, as it has happened many times in the past, and will occur many times in the future. Great news for all of us, as this seems to end the discussion.
But, what still bugs me is all your references (in prior posts, especially at the beginning of the thread) to nuclear test in the past (1945-1962) that would accelerate the reversal, or the global warming, and the ozone hole. You forgot to throw into the stew “species extinctions, pesticides, pollution and sustainable development”. Don't take me wrong, but by Jove!, what in heaven has these things to do with reversal of Earth’s (or other celestial bodies) magnetic fields? :bugeye:

Dwayne

These guys should be right up your alley:

http://www.poleshift.org/ps/

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Originally posted by CATT
Dwayne,

As far as I'm concerned you have provided ample proof in theory ... Do you see a link to the significant Biblical conections?

CATT
http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/ugh.gif

- Warren

CATT

I tend to combine both science and religion because they are one in the same.

First of all, thank you for calling us all idiots - a very impressive way to make your debut post. It certainly does represent your intellectual prowess.

Secondly, aligning yourself with Dwayne has automatically labelled you a crackpot of the highest order. Dwaynes understanding of science and the world around him is so severely warped, one might think he was the singularity in the black hole of pseudo-babble gibberish.

And finally, religion and science are at either ends of the scale of reasoning and logic, and therefore are not alike in any way, shape or form. Some members here have yet to graduate high school but are very aware of this distinction.

I hope your next post(s) offers more then just peeing into the wind.

Welcome.

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Oh my dear Lord, we may have a SuperCrackpot in our midst. Dwayne keeps his delusions generally to the earth science field -- but CATT here is all over biology, religion, and quantum physics in one post! May CATT displace Dwayne?!? CAN SUCH A FEAT BE ACCOMPLISHED?!?

At least he may be more fun to argue with than Dwayne. Dwayne generally ignores questions, and when he does respond directly, he usually calls someone a dog, or bestows some similar sixth-grade sneer. At least CATT has the presence of mind to employ psychobabble to try to make you fear him.

- Warren

Thed skips about the room singing "LA LA LA LA LA LA" loudly to itself and spraying Lysol about the place. Then sits grumpily in a corner having been totally outwitted by the brilliant logic shown above.

Is there such a logical fallacy as Argument from Lunacy. Should there be one?

Thed skips about the room singing "LA LA LA LA LA LA" loudly to itself and spraying Lysol about the place.

Ahh, Thed, do you want your baba? You know it is almost beddie bye time...:D

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Well, welcome CATT, It wil be interesting to see where this goes. This may well make a team sport before it is over with.

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Yeah, I continue to really have no comment other than http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/ugh.gif.

- Warren

catt

i am sure these "modern theoretical physicists" would also like you to give them credit when you cite their works as reference

yasue thanks you (http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v2/psyche-2-21-globus.html)

perhaps you can also provide links to the relevant sections in "kabalah 101"
dealing with sub atomic particles and super string theory
thanks

;)

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In "Power of Kabbalah - Secrets of the Universe and Principles of Life" Rabbi Yehuda Berg describes a "Fountainhead of wisdom -- a hidden wisdom that reveals and unifies the spiritual and physical laws of life -- the true sources of all teachings -- its insights have had profound effects on foremost thinkers". _

What is this hidden wisdom? Where is it? Rabbi Berg and Kabbalists call the wisdom Light...a code word, or metaphor for a broad spectrum of fulfillment, pleasure, wisdom which floods the universe.
How do we access it, and where did it come from? People are the essence of desire, and the universe is flooded with light/fulfillment, what's standing in the way of our everlasting happiness?
Answer: A Curtain
We are on one side of the curtain, and the Light/Wisdom/Fulfillment is on the other side.
The curtain according to Rabbi Berg separates 1% from the other 99%
The 1% is our world.
In our world events happen suddenly, and are seemingly chaotic without apparent cause.
We react to these events "reflexively" without any deep understanding of their origins and implications, nor with any foresight as to the consequences of our actions. Quite often these reactions are completely wrong. We are "in the dark".
On the other side of the curtain (99%), according to Kabbalah is Wisdom, lasting fulfillment, infinite knowledge, endless joy, absolute order, perfection and spiritual light.
There lies the source, the seed and the hidden origin of the physical world. The Kabbalah itself may be an example of the wisdom written down many years ago.

This Kabbalistic description of wisdom is similar to Plato's world of ideas and absolute truth. In fact Plato traveled to Egypt when the Jews were numerous in that country and may have picked up his "metaphysical opinions about the superior beings and formal causes of all things, which he calls Ideas and which the Kabbalists call Sfirot [dimensions or emanations].... "_ (MS. Yahuda, 15.7, p. 137v)


Physicist Roger Penrose, one of the great experts on the makeup of the universe says in his book "Shadows of the Mind": "According to Plato, mathematical concepts and truths inhabit an actual world of their own that is timeless and without physical location. Plato's world is an ideal world of perfect forms, distinct from the physical world, but in terms of which the physical world must be understood"

_

So Plato's world may be synonymous with the Kabbalah's 99% world of wisdom and light.


How do we raise the curtain, move between the 1% darkness and the 99% light in an open and continuous way, rather than haphazardly? Rabbi Berg describes the 99% as "dancing on the edge of consciousness". The Kabbalah teaches us how to do this – to open our conscious minds to the wisdom, but from a scientific standpoint we would like to know what exactly is the 99%, where in nature may it exist, and what does it mean to access it, to lift the curtain? What is the nature of the curtain? How can the 99% world affect our thoughts and feelings, our consciousness?
"

hameroff (http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/hameroff/Ham/Ideas/Kabbalah/Kabbalah.htm)

its cool and shit to get inspiration from ancient texts but this is taking it too far

bah

take a hike up that 'tree of life' of yours
you..... you......skanky little puss

:D

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CATT,

The problem we have had with Dwayne, is that it seems he pulls his "facts" from doubious sources that he is usually reluctant to reveal. Many of his facts are disputed by reputable science sources and many have tried to show him. Unforetunately we seem to be communicating to opposite sides of the same blank wall. Dwanye has the tendancy to mix disiplines along with his facts, making it even harder to sift through it all and make some sense of it.

I will be the first to tell you that I know nothing of Kabbalah. So I will not be a worthy opponent for you in this sense. I have left your posts alone because unlike many that we see you do attempt to link this with the real world. I do question if this is the right forum for it though. I shall be content to observe the direction of the thread for the present without interference.

screw the whoopass
i'll just teleport my foot up your ass, you cretinous little slug

:D

Do you mean this Rabbi Berg (http://www.freedomofmind.com/groups/kabbalah/kabbalah.htm#truth)?

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catt

timtsetsi li !


:D

Catt

Did you know that all the lessons that you learned in math are directly related to and originated from the bible?

Complete nonsense!

Its called the Euclid Elements in which PRINCIPLES OF MEASURING WERE DIRECTLY TAKEN OUT OF THE HEBREW BIBLE!!! and right under our noses we fail to realize that the very basis of sience/math is none less than RELIGION!!!

Utter hogwash!

Euclid lived in Alexandria around 300 BCE. The Ionian School of Mathematics existed in what is now modern Greece more then 300 years before Euclid. Major influences of this school are documented as originating from Egypt and Babelonia from about 2800 BCE, the time when the pyramids were built.

Are you implying the Egyptians built the pyramids without some knowledge of mathematics ?

He (Euclid) also taught in Alexandria and also founded the school of mathematics and wrote his prizework, "THE ELEMENTS".

The Pythagorean School was founded by Pythagoras in about 585 BCE, almost 300 years before Euclid.

Without Euclid - No Geometry

Wrong. Geometry was passed on to the Greeks hundreds of years prior to Euclid.

Although very much off topic I thought this quote and link
might be of interest. :)


"Kabbalah" is the traditional and most commonly used term
for the esoteric teachings of Judaism and for Jewish mysticism,
especially the forms which it assumed in the Middle Ages from
the 12th century onward. In its wider sense it signifies all the
successive esoteric movements in Judaisum that evolved from
the end of the period of the Second Temple and became active
factors in Jewish history." -Gershom Scholem, Kabbalah


Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism (http://www.jewfaq.org/kabbalah.htm)

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Originally posted by CATT
fart knocker
Such eloquence and grace can only be indications of your supreme intellect.
about an hair line distance apart
Perhaps you have never SEEN the pyramids. I haven't ever seen a stone cut to dimensional precision of a mil, have you?
This technology was in part perhaps linked back to the origins of languages
So the technology to move big rocks is actually implanted like an easter egg inside language itself? Does the letter 'C' really contain the code to build a time machine? Does 'F' contain the secrets of interstellar travel?
From written language, math was acknowledged. This mathematical code in the Hebrew Bible is called Gamatria, it consists of skipping and counting letters of equal distances apart.
Exactly how does a chart of Hebrew letters contain the Feynman path integral?

And I've heard the "Bible code" theories before, and it's essentially a pile of steaming bullshit. You can take any large volume of text written in a language with few characters, and find all the patterns you'll ever want. Am I really supposed to believe that Mark Twain wrote "SATAN" if you look at the first letter of the sixth word on first six pages that are two times the first six prime numbers? In a word, no.
you have no clue as to who I am, or my knowledgeable status
And we don't really care. Asserting your authority on an internet forum is pretty much a waste of both our time.
come to this dreadful forum to plant the seed and enlighten you.
Don't quit your day job.

Seriously.
Please excuse my hostility and comments as I was forced to come here and have little patients!
Then go away.
so as I know at what classification and understanding you are at so that I might respond yet again!
Please, classify me and respond.

- Warren

Catt

You could say hogwash all you want, but the fact remains that you have no clue as to who I am, or my knowledgeable status and that is exactly why I was nominated by a dear friend to come to this dreadful forum to plant the seed and enlighten you. What a disastrous job I have been assigned! There is no hope!

So after you felt it necessary to insult the members of this forum in your first post, you now feel it necessary to insult the entire forum and its contents. And while under the delusion that you think the nonsense and gibberish you've posted will somehow "enlighten" us, you spite yourself while using the lame excuse you're here due to a friends nomination.

And as far as your "knowledgeable status" is concerned, I would refer back to your premiere post in which a number of excerpts had me rolling on the floor in hysterics:

This all sounds scientific doesn't it?

The whole universe then is founded upon sound.

Matter is nothing more than the symphony of space time.

Electrons orbit the atomic nucleus in the same way as the earth orbits the sun.

This is very important to understand.

This is the secret of what the Kabbalists call the "speaking silence", the Hashmal (which "hover around the celestial throne". The Hashmal are not electrons but it is the force that directs the electrons in their function.

By the way Einstein's got his theory of relativity from the Bible, and its gamatria code.

If the string theory is correct (and according to Kabbalah it is)

As it is with water so it is with the structure of Angels and the human body made up of 90% water.

It (Torah) is a science but in order to understand, it was made a religion...

Q, deny the highway and you lose the path.


And my personal favorite:


So, let's thank G-d for electrons


Priceless!

to fit the stones into the great Pyramid about an hair line distance apart or equivalent to a piece of tin foil exact to the thousandth of an inch.
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I have been there & seen them & this hair line distance might be right if you stand a few hundred yards away & look at it!
:(

catt, my little zonah
i always aim to please

;)

now get busy and lakek et hatahat sheli
thanks

ps: May you be pursued into the mountains by sex-mad baboons thou bastard child of Methuselah.

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Originally posted by CATT
Chroot, Time Machine? interstellar travel? Hmmmmm?
You're the one telling us that the technology to move enormous stones within a few thousands of an inch is actually somehow implanted in language itself.............
Here's the question first? Now that I've pointed out above that all languages stem from one form, tell me than if any of you have a fathomable clue?
All languages evolved from one (or perhaps a few) common ancestral languages.
How did the written language of Hebrew come about? How did the letters take their unique forms?
Why does the numeral 8 look like it does? I think the numeral 8 would better describe the number seven, since it just looks like it fits there better. I hereby propose that we use the numeral 8 for the number seven, and the numeral 7 can just go ahead and represent the number eight.

- Warren

the inside is miraculously preserved!
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I don't think there is any thing miraculous about,if you have a walk around out there its all well preserved.if its old cars that have long since disappeared else where,they are as good as new out there except for sand blasted paint,& the Roman stuff is just as well preserved.
Are you sure you have been?

Catt

Everything that I have said is precisely as I have stated

Featherless chicken. How does one get down off you ?

Just think about it.

:D

catt
enough of the useless chit chat

are you cute? have you kissed a boy yet?
what are you wearing right now?
be detailed in your response

thank you

ps:"Sacred Jewish Inch"? i am so much bigger than that! (huge!)

:D

Originally posted by CATT
How did the written language of Hebrew come about?
How did the letters take their unique forms?
Hebrew language (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language)

Hebrew Alphabet (http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm)

Time to delete! To many views...

For the participants of this thread, I would ask that we all be a bit more civil. The discussion at hand is only hindered by the slinging of name calling and insults.

I will give Dwayne his due in this respect. It is often hard to maintain a civil head when all about are chopping and snipping at the contents of ones post. Dwayne has shown in this aspect that he does conduct himself as an adult.

CATT,

As far as math coming from the bible, we have many examples that such is not true. Some have been mentioned. Others, like stonehenge, demonstrate knowledge in math (in addition to skills in observation and record-keeping, the record-keeping implying writing skills to maintain them over a long period) far earlier than the coming of known religions of the present day. Others such as the Mayan calender and building of stone stuctures show that these ideas in math, can and do arise indepentantly. That they are based upon observation of the world around us and are derived from those observations. The Mayans even developed the concept for zero, something that represents the absence of a quanity. The zero concept is one of intangable thought and many civilizations missed that as a value.

http://www.governor.wa.gov/recent/mexico/images/numbers1b.gif

my defense is that i was attempting to reach out and communicate in a language that a special person such as catt may understand. is that so
wrong?

:D


how about a time limit on edits and deletes?
eh??

Wet1

For the participants of this thread, I would ask that we all be a bit more civil.

No problem. :)

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Catt

Yes, it could very well be what saved Noah in the last polar switch. But also the mathematical structure of the craft itself.

The measurements for Noah's Ark were 300 x 50 x 30 cubits (Genesis 6:13-16.) In that time, there were many kinds of cubits: the Babylonian cubit - 48.5 centimeters; the short Egyptian cubit - 44 centimeters; the long Egyptian cubit - 51.5 centimeters; the short Hebrew cubit - 43.7 centimeters; and the long Hebrew cubit - 51.6 centimeters. We will use the cubit measurement of 45 centimeters, which is neither the biggest nor the smallest. The sizes of the Ark then would be: length - 135 meters; breadth - 22.5 meters; height - 13.5 meters. A soccer field is 120 meters long.

Total: Approximately 41,000 cubic meters.

To date, taxonomists have identified less than two million distinct species, mostly mammals and birds. But it's estimated that the number of undiscovered species—primarily fish, fungi, insects, and microbes—ranges from ten million to more than one hundred million.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/03/0305_0305_allspecies.html

Even with a low estimate of 2 million distinct species, the average space each species could live in was only 2 cubic centimeters! Elephants might require a wee bit more space. Food and water not included.

And let's not forget each species required a mate. ;)

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Catt

Q, there are over 1 million species of animals in the world. However, the vast majority of these are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark.

Wrong. I'm assuming you don't read to well or are ignoring the facts. There has been just under 2 million species of mammals and birds identified to date. There are many more not yet categorized simply because we have yet to discover them. If you include fish, fungi, insects, and microbes, that number goes up to 10 million and possibly up to 100 million! Adding on extinct animals only increases these numbers.

As well, those figures do not include mates for each species, therefore you must double the numbers.

How did you possibly come up with 50,000 ?

The Ark had plenty of space.

:rolleyes:

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Catt

Who is to say back in those days how species were identified and separated?

Noah would have had to identify and separate the species of the Earth in order to place a pair of them aboard the Ark - how else can you account for the millions of species present today ?

Teams of scientists have been working for decades to categorize all species and have yet scratched the surface. How could Noah have found all the species, built the Ark, stocked it with food and water and set sail with all aboard in the time alloted ? He must have been one busy guy!

It is also evident to see that through the ages things are evolving smaller Some good examples are the Saber tooth Tiger, look how many sizes of Cats we have today down to the house Cat, and look how many different species of Dogs we have from the Wolf to the miniature Poodle. So the same implies to the Birds.

That is an interesting hypothesis - however your argument advocates evolution. But don't worry - that's not a bad thing.

There is truly no way anybody from this era could possible estimate approximately how many known species were evident at that time

Maybe we could find out if we knew exactly how many species existed today including however many have gone extinct. That number should be pretty close to however many Noah placed aboard the Ark, don't you think ?

We are all different races, cultures, colors, religions but yet we are all still categorized as human and can interbreed with one another.

Exactly! The lowest hierarchical unit of classification is what distinguishes one species from another - the capacity to breed with one another. We generally don't breed with other species.

*Edited to add the following:

Catt - this will be my last post on the subject in this thread as we should allow the polar switch discussion to continue.

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Originally posted by CATT
[quote]However, the vast majority of these are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark. Noah need make no provision for the 21,000 species of fish or the 1,700 tunicates (marine chordates like sea squirts) found throughout the seas of the world, or the 600 echinoderms including star fish and sea urchins, or the 107,000 mollusks such as mussels, clams and oysters, or the 10,000 coelenterates like corals and sea anemones, jelly fish and hydroids or the 5,000 species of sponges, or the 30,000 protozoans, the microscopic single celled creatures. In addition, some of the mammals are aquatic. For example, the whales, seals and porpoises. The amphibians need not all have been included, nor all the reptiles, such as sea turtles, and alligators. Moreover, a large number of the arthropods numbering 838,000 species, such as lobsters, shrimp, crabs and water fleas and barnacles are marine creatures.
You're forgetting that nearly all the animals you listed are extremely sensitive to water qualities like salinity, oxygenation, and temperature. I surely hope you're not going to tell me that diluting the ocean 100:1 with rainwater would cause no harm to the billions of animals that live there.

- Warren

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Should I be seriously considering buying an aluminium foil deflector beanie (http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html). I have heard copper is better at this function though. What are your thought, Al or Cu.

Also, what are your thoughts on the implications of this site (http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm) on your collective ideas. Could it be the US are trying to a avert a forthcoming catastrophe and not psychotronically control the population. Your input is eagerly awaited.

I suggest a few of you look into "punctuated equilibrium"...

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Catt

FYI - Tom Beardon is one of the biggest crackpots ever to defame science.

He can dress up any amount of nonsense and make it sound plausible. Too bad it's all nonsense.

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Catt

Hogwash and prove it?

Prove what - that people like Tom Bearden and Richard Hoagland are crackpots ? That's a good one. Nutters like Tom and his ilk have been proving quite adequately they're crackpots all by themselves.

But lets take a look at the site you provided:

This paradigm shifting even actually made me dizzy on certain days as I tried to absorb and digest Bearden's vast amount of information. I am not a scientist at all, just a layman, and I have little comprehension of the math and high physics of this new science called "Scalar Electromagnetics.

Bill Morgan

Obviously, Bill Morgan admits he understands nothing of math or physics, yet advocates Tom Bearden's nonsense. Bill is a perfect example of how someone can easily be misled by Bearden and his pseudo-babble.

How then, are we to take Bill seriously if he doesn't even understand the first thing about science ? How then, can we take you seriously if you believe in that nonsense ?

Look where I found Tom Bearden's website listed. :)

Crank Dot Net | physics (http://www.crank.net/physics.html)

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Catt

Dr. Evil and Q, It seems these days that government informants will do anything to cover truths.

So you're a conspiracy theorist as well - what a surprise!

Just because an artical published about Oprah Winfrey is in the National Enquirer does that mean its true?

Absolutely.

Tom Beardon is right on the money and so are you Dwayne!

Birds of a feather...

Scientists are particularly concerned about active sonar, which has the potential to harm and even kill whales and other marine mammals.

This is off topic. And of course, you've managed to change the topic once you've run out of arguments... again.

The "injure zone" for SURTASS LFA does not exceed 1 km. from its source. The Navy is well aware of this after conducting appropriate studies. They will use the device only when confident passive sonar does not pick up and significant marine life (whales, turtles, etc.) and in geologically restricted areas - high concentration of marine animals, for example.

So put a sock in it and get with the program Dr. Evil and Q It appears you lost your mojos!

Don't quit your day job. ;)

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To answer your question - I don't watch TV or read the National Enquirer.
If you are asking if I believe everything I read the answer is no. That is
why I do research and investigate things for myself and then come to my
conclusions. :)

Catt

I have not in any way, shape or form changed the subject!

Then please, if you will, explain how submarine sonar devices have anything to do with the topic, "Earths Magnetic Fields changing?"

btw - you might consider leaving out the "potty humor" in your responses.

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catt

you do know you can get meds for vaginal itch and dryness ??
yes?? no??
over the counter too!!


cheers

ps: what are you wearing??

Catt

Look Q, your wasting my time!

Yes, that is the reason I've been placed here on Earth - to waste your time. :rolleyes:

fyi - this is a discussion forum - not a street corner for raving lunatics. If you don't like it - leave.

If your going to talk stupidness

Sorry, I never did learn Irrationallesse - perhaps you could give lessons. ;)

It looks like a big propane tank with a chimney on top.

You could have at least offered the link to the website you've blatantly plagiarised. No original thoughts of your own ?

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/021216/misc/16cloud.htm

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i still got aroused darling!

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ban her

Originally posted by spookz
ban her
or him

or it

- Warren

Catt

Why have you deleted all of your posts ?

Just being ornery and missing a old friend that post here periodically! trying to catch his attention...He knows its my trait to delete...He would have responded but I think it has something to do with his internet connection?

He rocked the forum several months back in the religion thread!

And frankly, I'm just missing him! :(

Originally posted by CATT
Just being ornery and missing a old friend that post here periodically! trying to catch his attention...He knows its my trait to delete...He would have responded but I think it has something to do with his internet connection?

He rocked the forum several months back in the religion thread!

And frankly, I'm just missing him! :(
* In before CATT deletes this one, too.

- Warren

Don't deleat,had to change this,as the wife told me off for it!
:cool::o

Hee Hee, I saw that! I know you just couldnt help yourself, its the structure of the male brain! http://www.otoons.de/L2/malebrain.htm

Regards to your wife!

this is not funny
you have deliberately derailed this thread

I'm sure you loved every bit of it babes! ;)

I just couldnt help myself :o
Love the link.
The wife says thats OK!:(
:o

Is there analysis, what would happen if earth polar magnetic fields change?
Some people believe that all life will be destroyed, if this happen.

Well Anti_tayon
The electeomagnetic poles are a serious issue, and real science does establish that it is going to happen very soon.
not all life will be destroyed but a lot of it if people do not prepare for it, and yes there is enough evidence to tell you about it. the current time frame is about 10 to 39 years. and there are a lot of things that need to be done by goverments, that the common people can not do with out organization.

if you would like i can send you some notes, the real issue is very lareg amount of information about the thing that will happen, the pole switch last for about 400 years.

you can belivie it , it is real!

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

not all life will be destroyed but a lot of it if people do not prepare for it You see, all the water is your body is effected by magnets, and is now polarized in the N-S direction. The instant that the poles flip, every bit of water will also flip to stay aligned in the N-S direction. Due to all this water flipping, it will cause your body to flip heels over head due to all the shear stress.

The best preperation is to walk around with a helmet on all day (with a tinfoil lining), because you never know when the poles are gonna flip you upside down.

[/sarcasm off]

Earlier in the thread someone stated that sattelites would crash.... why is this? Do they rely on the magnetic poles for navigation?

Honestly, would the shift be that swift? I would expect gradual cooling here, gradual warming there ... On which axis do we anticipate such a shift?

from what i've read, the shift is really fast. there's some evidence to support it, namely the frozen mammoths with food still in their mouths. my apologies if this has already been discussed here.

Thanks Zechaeriah for mentioning the fact about the Mammoths, as it is the most likly event that caused for the frozen mammoths.
it is without doubt that the collaspe of the magnetic field will casue the earth to cool very rapidly, as the background of energy from the magentic field disapears, but it will case a ice age across much of the earth as the atmosphere of space comes in to the earths atmosphere. such events like that happen very quickly and in a short time. but the magnetic field will not return for about 400 years, the earth will gain a liitle warmth from the increase in gravity, but the atmosphere of space will continue to keep much of the earth frozen in a ice age.

The Mammoths are frozen left overs from the last pole switch.
the other acrhelogical finding in the plains of russia are from during the 400 years without a magnetic field. but could be from before the reversal as the mammoths. under any event the area where they found the mammoths once at the equator, and the majortiy of the russian plains was covered in water.

Before the last polar switch most of the worlds land was in the southern hemisphere, most of that land sunk in to the ocean.

there is a mountian between Samoa and New Zealand that i think was the tallest mountain in that past world before the last magnetic reversal, it s questionable, but much of the isands of the south pacific would have been a apart of the land mass that was before the last reversal.

Fact is the reversal not only causes a massive ice age on the earth but it also drastically changes the earths land mass, and will put massive amounts of carbon dioxied in the air.
oceans curents will travel faster the speed of sound. and it will get really calm except for the huge hurricanes coming from the poles with causing gail wind acorss the earth from one point. the earths atmosphere will kind of be like in layers like you see on juptier in some places.


thats just a few points.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
the warmest place will be on the equator

please don't happen when i'm alive, please don't happen when i'm alive, please don't happen when i'm alive....


that's some interesting stuff there, but i'd love some sources to back up your claims, if you don't mind. not saying i don't believe you, just wanna know how you know so much.

i guess if there will be no for magnetic field for 400 years and there'll be all sorts of death and destruction as the surface of the earth changes so dramatically, the people up in the white house would have some sort of plan as to what to do. maybe that's why they want access to Iraq's oil, to stock up before they hit the road. ??

to be frank the white house is going to have to get into there little UFO or what ever, and given that you don't see them doing anything happen to protect the public or for that matter even warning the public says that they would not give a shit, even though they could actually do a lot!, being the heads of organized goverment. but at the present pace alot of people are going to die.
me i have a plan, and what i think is that I am going to see a lot of dead bodies, floating around or on the ground.
whats even worse is that i might have to eat those dead people for dinner, and thats no joke.
and to be blunt there are a few points about the magnetic reversal that are not so fun.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Here's an outrageous theory I heard in 'top' circles recently...

Earth is set for a major catastrophe... though I wasn't told what it was, I was left under no illusion that it spells pretty much 'The End.'

The government’s of the world have known about this for a while, but where unsure as to the timeframe of when 'it' will happen - but darn sure it will.

Phase One
Create a bogus conflict with a foreign nation.

Phase Two
Keep the world's eye on it and make sure their opposed to it. Amidst all the voices, the cries of confusion - they will not be watching us.

Phase Three
Build craft that will enable us to colonise other planets - to do this, engineer a disaster that will make those responsible of building said craft incompetent.

Phase Four
As the planet burns in a world of flame, blood and rage, we quietly slip away…

I'd laugh it off as conspiracy fluff, but err; I think we have just reached Phase Three, don’t you?

bwahahahahaha!!! that made me laugh. :D

duffy, where the hell did you hear that?

Hi guys!

I think Duane is correct in all aspects, but REMEMBER, the good book says that the creator promised Noah that he would never again destroy the Earth with a flood of sorts. So I am inclined to think that this catastrophic catastrophy is subject to the RAPTURE!

This is the gathering of the creators people and of the covernant made with Abraham and his seed.


CAT...

i just don't know what to think of the bible anymore, so i just can't take that comment seriously.

Reading your forum on the switching of the poles I was reminded about a conversation I had with one of my lecturers. He was explaining how when the poles do shift their is a lag period inbetween of approx. 15 years where the eart loses or has an extremely depleted magnetic field. My queery to this was and is what implications does this have on our protection from the onslaught of the viscous solar wind? The atmosphere of planets such as mars have dwindled over the millenia due to as far as I understand it the solar wind basically blowing it away due to no magnetic field to protect them. Now without out our magnetic field for even such a short solar period as 15 years would we lose a substantial amount of hour atmosphere?? He questioned this himself but could not speculate but he did tell me that we are in a window of a 1000yr period when we are due for our polar role reversal. Has anyone got an answer for me?

If anythint did make satelittes crash, it would be pretty bad, but I doubt this would happen if the magnetic fields did change, but if it did, I think there is about 80,000 satelittes orbiting Earth (more than half don't work anymore), that would be alot of crap hitting the Earth if they didn't burn up in re entry.

He questioned this himself but could not speculate but he did tell me that we are in a window of a 1000yr period when we are due for our polar role reversal. Has anyone got an answer for me?

Ask him if we lost a substantial amount of our atmosphere 1000 years ago… and 1000 years before that… ?

The atmosphere “sticks” to the Earth due to gravity.

no you misunderstand my poor sentence construction. The actually period between polar role reversal is every 100,000 years or so and we are now within a 1000 yr time period where we are due for it. As for the atmosphere yes it is a re3sult of gravity, however as you may realise the northern and southern lights apart from being a beautiful natural phenomena are a battle as such between the solar wind and our earths magnetic field. High in earths atmosphere the magnetic field deflects the onslaught of solar radiation generated form massive solar flares, now without out this magnetic field as is spoken of in the lag phase between polar shift my question is what effect will this radiation have on our atmosphere. As in other case most extreme mercury any hint of atmospheric generation is blown apart due to solar radiation. I apologise for my poor gramatic skills haha but I will keep on trying.

Every village has its idiot....

We have a whole hut full...

Aside from a wandering Aurora Borealis and some extra cosmic radiation penetration, not much will happen. The field’s strength should not change much – if it did we would have noticed major mutations in living organisms due to massive cosmic radiation exposure from the last pole switch.

Q, why do you think a pole flip equals massive radiation increase? You are implicating the sun? Is the Earth's dipole dependent on the sun?