Earth rotation

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by Chatha, Aug 24, 2005.

  1. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    How does the earth exactly rotates? Is there a particular pattern and what will happen if it rotates inversely, say due to electromagnetic shifts for instance?
     
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  3. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Rotation is a natural result of planet formation from the accretion disc. It cannot rotate inversely (backwards) without strong external influence. Magnetic forces have nothing to do with it. I don't know what you mean by "electromagnetic shifts."
     
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  5. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    There is no force that causes the planets to rotate. Most of the rotation comes about from the conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is given by L=m*w*r^2 where m is the mass, w is the angular velocity in rad/s and r is the radius of the circular motion. Due to conservation of angular momentum, if the radius of the orbit decreases, then its angular velocity must increase (as the mass is constant).

    All planetary and stellar systems are born from the collapse of dense interstellar clouds. The clouds may originally be very large (even thousands of light years across). Consider a portion of the cloud the collapses from a size of a light year or so to the size of the solar system. That is a huge change in the size of the system. So, the very slight rotation that the cloud has in the beginning is increased dramatically when the collapse takes place. In fact, this is one of the barriers in star formation: there is excess angular momentum and there has to be a way of losing angular momentum before you can form a star.

    Anyway, the bottom line is that planets spin from the original angular momentum that was there in the nebula from which it formed. Not only that, all orbital motion of the planets (including the spin) is due to this orginal angular momentum.

    Electro magnetic shifts cant affect the earth's spin. as they have nothing to do with it. ( I presume you ment the earth's natural magnetism?)
     
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  7. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Another reminder why I always flunk physics. I think what you are trying to say is this. A star or nebular dies, i.e a supernova occurs and the clouds of dusts end up somehow forming planets, which are set in motion due to the kinetic energy of the explosion; angular momentum in terms of planets. My question then is
    1 at some point in time it has to stop spinning depending on the size of the nebular

    2 Correct me if wrong but it sounds as though I hit a tennis ball off a table and when it falls down it spins, lucky shot in my opinion, and it sounds like a 1/1000,000 chance.

    3 How far is the nearest star from the sun?

    Yep I was thinking the earth rotates due to electromagnetism of the earth, thanks anyway.
     
  8. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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  10. Light Registered Senior Member

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    You actually believe that junk?? Pity.
     
  11. cato less hate, more science Registered Senior Member

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    questions:
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    1. it does not have to stop. an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted on by a force. if there is no interference from some outside force, a planet, solar system, nebula, or galaxy cluster will never stop spinning.

    2. not really, it is very hard to put a force on something without causing a torque. only if you push directly against the center of mass of the object will no torque be applied, which is nearly impossible in everyday life considering the precision would have to be nearly infinite, which you aren't likely to have with a tennis racket. so why doesn't everything spin, you say? friction. in outer space friction is very, very, low so just about any object acted on by a force will start to spin, while here on earth, friction of, say, your couch on the floor is enough to stop it from spinning when you sit closer to one end than the other.

    3. a quick google search will find this for you, but here is a link anyway.
    http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2004/proxima/
     
  12. Yorda_7 Guest

    Yes, but it's not junk. It's truth. Why wouldn't you believe it? 1. you don't understand it. 2. you are afraid of the truth.

    Wrong.
     
  13. Light Registered Senior Member

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    All of those statements are incorrect. It's simply junk science and it's evident right on the face of it. If you actually knew anything about the subject in general, you'd be laughing at that site just as I did.

    Incorrect again. It's never wrong to pity the ignorant - they simply do not know any better. I'm also sorry that you fall into that group. But you can improve yourself if you really want to.
     
  14. Yorda_7 Guest

    Instead of just saying that it's are wrong (from your personal viewpoint), could you provide a few arguments why it is wrong? Just because it's in contradiction to today's physics, doesn't mean that it's incorrect.

    You only know what you have read, you don't know whether it's true or not. You think you know, that blinds you and you can never accept new ideas which don't fit into that little square of knowledge. You can't accept that the bases of your science (physics) could be based on contradictory principles.

    Wrong again.
     
  15. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks guys
     
  16. Light Registered Senior Member

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    You only know what you have read, you don't know whether it's true or not. You think you know, that blinds you and you can never accept new ideas which don't fit into that little square of knowledge. You can't accept that the bases of your science (physics) could be based on contradictory principles.



    Wrong again.[/QUOTE]
     
  17. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, Yorda - you obviously don't even have a clue about real physics. As for what is wrong on that site, I could simply print the WHOLE thing here. But instead I'll just give you one little completely absurd quote:

    "...which is normal since we know that the only energy in the universe, which gives off particles, is MAGNETIC energy."

    What particles???? How silly can you get? It's very obvious that neither the writer nor you knows anything at at all about atomic physics, radioactivity nor magentism.

    Very, very bad assumption on your part. Far from just "knowing what I have read", I'm a retired researcher who has carried out many real experiments. May I ask exactly how many you have performed?
     
  18. Yorda_7 Guest

    The universe is not "physical". So the right science for reality shouldn't be physics, but a science of consciousness, like meta-physics. The ancient greeks knew this. How is it that people, thousands of years ago, were so much wiser than people today? I'm talking about people like Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. It's not a coincidence, there are "reasons".

    Like I said, this is in contradiction to today's physics, since it concludes that modern physics is wrong about many things. So you have to think by yourself why it is wrong, letting go of the 'holy scriptures' of science. Defending and believing in things just restrict your evolution. If you want truth, never be for or against.

    But you'll have to explain more, I don't understand what you think is silly about particles.

    Here's the text in context:

    "The atom is not what they believe it to be. Its equilibrium is mechanical, not merely mathematical, thanks to the fact that all particles are at the same time "positive" and "negative". In fact, these two words do not mean anything. Particles are at the same time attractive and repulsive, which is normal since we know that the only energy in the universe, which gives off particles, is MAGNETIC energy."

    I'm a bit surprised that you think that because you have "performed" something and made research, it means that you know the nature of things.

    I haven't had a job yet. I'm just a teenager, interrested in the nature of things. Understanding doesn't always come with age, sometimes comes confusion. I haven't read many books either, but enough. I'm not blinded by various complicated "external" theories.

    The universe is not complicated. People create complexity in order to not understand. Often, to me, small children seem much "wiser" than certain physicists who try to understand the universe. Just your attitude is enough to show it: "do you actually believe that junk"

    There are no absolute truths in the universe-- there is no "junk". What is junk to you may be wisdom to someone else. People are at different "levels". I can see wisdom even in stupidity.

    Some physicists remind me of religious fanatics who can't accept anything that is outside their religion. They have believed in it so long that they can no longer question the thing itself. They give up their own mind and let a book take its place, because they think life is too complicated. When someone of another "religion" says something, they just think about their "holy scriptures" and analyze if it fits in. If not, then it's nonsense.
     
  19. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks Yorda there is a lot of sense in your post. The reason why the earth rotates is because all things rotate, which is because the universe is assumed to be a spiral-like shape. Thus any explosion or collision sends all objects this way. I am not sure how scientists came to this theory but we can only take their word for it, just like many other notions and ideas. On the contrary its quantum physics that seems to have many contradictory notions not classical mechanics, you haven't done your research enough on that part of your post. However I think magnetism of some kind helps in the rotation of the earth on a single axis because it might as well free float on an infinite axis, but I don't know much about this so I also need anyones input. All in all I appreciate the wonderful inputs. pour le mieux.
     
  20. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Yorda is mentally disturbed. Take his posts for what they are - sad, but funny.
     
  21. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Evidentially. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but he seems hopeless.

    Whenever some young kid comes along and wants to challenge a couple of hundred years worth of established scientists (and untold MILLIONS of researchers, engineers, etc.) and uses inane websites as references, well... It gets pretty obvious that he doesn't have both oars fully in the water.
     
  22. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Guys this is what I figured. The earth rotates on a single axis with a little wobble because of lack of friction or external force. I think we should look into atoms for the solution to the "why are we here" big question, the whole solar system just looks too much like the atomic structure.Thanks
     
  23. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Hello, Chatha,

    The wobble is due to the liquid core - and that's exactly how we know it's not solid. Otherwise the rotation would be smooth. Neat stuff, eh?

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