Is the earth generating electricity from its magnetic core? Is this electricity what the East call Chi? And does this electric force have anything to do with life on earth apart from shielding the earth from solar winds?

Is the earth generating electricity from its magnetic core?
any moving magnetic feild produces electricity in conductors

Is the earth generating electricity from its magnetic core? Is this electricity what the East call Chi? And does this electric force have anything to do with life on earth apart from shielding the earth from solar winds?
1. sure

2. No

3. No, because it is such a TINY amount of current that it could not effect anything.

Can't we harvest electric energy from this amount with some kind of electric amplifier ...or is it really that tiny?

Can't we harvest electric energy from this amount with some kind of electric amplifier ...or is it really that tiny?
No, not really because it just so small to begin with. You'd generate much more electricity with the smallest available solar cell.

For one thing, remember that either the field has to be moving fairly fast (which it isn't) or the conductors cutting the field must be - one or the other. In the end, you'd get more power from moving the coil (conductors) in the field generated by a permanent magnet rather than the Earth's field. That's still a pretty small amount, though. For commercial purposes, you use a much stronger field which is generated by electromagnets.

OH that is such garbage , Light where do you come up with these crazy ideas.

Of course the Earths magnetic feild effects humans beings!!!

Misleading people again, light you should prosecuted for your crimes of misinformation.


DwayneD.L.Rabon

OH that is such garbage , Light where do you come up with these crazy ideas.

Of course the Earths magnetic feild effects humans beings!!!

Misleading people again, light you should prosecuted for your crimes of misinformation.


DwayneD.L.Rabon
No, Rabon, you're just as stupid as ever.

If you disagree with that statement, then link us to to some solid evidence from a recognized reputable source.

And please - do NOT subject us to one of your long, drawn-out, pointless piece of garbage posts!!! They have never been worth reading and never ever will be. If you choose to do that, I'll just ignore it and go ahead and give you my response right now just in case - you're a punk kid idiot with a bad case of Aspergers.

Aspergers? The one or two peopel I've met with it ddidnt seem that interested in spouting at length on an internet forum on something they were obsessed with.

Is the earth generating electricity from its magnetic core? Is this electricity what the East call Chi? And does this electric force have anything to do with life on earth apart from shielding the earth from solar winds?
it is theorized that the electric currents in the liquid outer core of the earth are responsible for the magnetosphere surrounding our planet. this would be a kind of electromagnetism in itself (it is the electricity, rather than generating it).

this energy is not what is commonly referred to as the chi, but i'm not sure if there is evidence for any kind of connection between the two. also, the chi is really a philosophical term, describing characteristics of a meditative state. it is not really pinpointed to any one physical cause.

the only thing we know about this magnetic field concerning the development of life is that it shields us from most of the ultraviolet rays constantly coming from the sun. without it, life would either not have formed, or would be very different.

First of all, the earths core doesn't generate anything.
Its iron and nickle and it it gets it's heat from the sun
via convection currents. This is what "drives" the magnetic
field. The sun is the "workhorse" here, not the core.

The earth's magnetic field reverses polarity on the order of millions of years. The field strength is in the milliTesla range.

Now compare that with shaking a Forever Flashlight.

No way you can ever harness electricity from earth's magnetism by itself.

There are also other complicated loops and wacky hair-do's somewhere near the core, as seen in supercomputer simulations, but those are unpredictable.

First of all, the earths core doesn't generate anything.
Its iron and nickle and it it gets it's heat from the sun
via convection currents. This is what "drives" the magnetic
field. The sun is the "workhorse" here, not the core.
I'm not sure what "earth" you live on but it sure isn't the Earth we're talking about. Yes, iron and nickle are likely components of the core.

But the idea of the heat coming from the sun is about as silly an idea as someone could possibly have. On the same par as Rabon's stupid assertion that the core is "ice cold" and that magnetic polar reversals cause mass extinctions and that the next one will kill most people on the surface.

But let's play along with you for just a minute. Can you explain how your "convection currents" could possibly work given just these two known and measurable facts:

1. The temperature at the surface is considerably less than what is measured at great depths; and

2. The subsoil temperature over all of North and South America, Europe, Asia and Australia decreases as you pass through the first 300 feet or so of soil and rock.

So how can convection transfer heat past the "barrier" present in #2 and then mysteriously increase in temperature at depths beyond that?

If you can somehow make that work, which violates everything known about heat transfer, then you have a Nobel waiting with your name on it.

Unfortuantely, there are no nobel prizes in geology.
But Light is right on- heat in the core is from a combination of remnant heat, compression and nuclear decay. Convection currents in the mantle dissipate this heat to the crust, then cool the mantle/core where they descend.

And does this electric force have anything to do with life on earth apart from shielding the earth from solar winds?
Yes, there are places on Earth were such electric force is very strong, such as with the case of Bermud Triangle, just lotsa iron there

Unfortuantely, there are no nobel prizes in geology.
But Light is right on- heat in the core is from a combination of remnant heat, compression and nuclear decay. Convection currents in the mantle dissipate this heat to the crust, then cool the mantle/core where they descend.
I wasn't implying one for geology. ;) Rather one for standing all the known principles of heat transfer (physics) on it's head. :)

Some people like that just don't even know enough about the very basics of things. But the annoying thing is that they want to tell the rest of us how things "really" work. It's actually pretty sad - there are about three or four of them here like that.

....Some people like that just don't even know enough about the very basics of things. But the annoying thing is that they want to tell the rest of us how things "really" work. It's actually pretty sad - there are about three or four of them here like that...
So what are u saying? that I made up what I just typed in?

Yes, there are places on Earth were such electric force is very strong, such as with the case of Bermud Triangle, just lotsa iron there
That's simply not true. The under-sea strata is primarily limestone and there's little iron present even at the depth some deep oil wells have been drilled to.

The primary force at work in that area is weather. Because of it's geographical location and currents in the Atlantic, it subject to very sudden and very intense storms. Tremendous lightning discharges are common and are responsible for disrupting navigation instruments - which is probably what you have in mind with your idea about iron.

There are also know deposits of solidified (frozen) methane lying below the sediments on the sea floor. One of the more recent ideas involves warm, deep currents driven by the same storm I just mentioned disputing those layers and allowing tremendously huge amounts of methane to be released. The thought is that it would reduce the specific gravity of the water enough to reduce it's buoyancy and, combined with powerful winds and waves, cause ships to sink more quickly than in a storm alone.

That's simply not true. The under-sea strata is primarily limestone and there's little iron present even at the depth some deep oil wells have been drilled to.

The primary force at work in that area is weather. Because of it's geographical location and currents in the Atlantic, it subject to very sudden and very intense storms. Tremendous lightning discharges are common and are responsible for disrupting navigation instruments - which is probably what you have in mind with your idea about iron

There are also know deposits of solidified (frozen) methane lying below the sediments on the sea floor. One of the more recent ideas involves warm, deep currents driven by the same storm I just mentioned disputing those layers and allowing tremendously huge amounts of methane to be released. The thought is that it would reduce the specific gravity of the water enough to reduce it's buoyancy and, combined with powerful winds and waves, cause ships to sink more quickly than in a storm alone.

I know you are talking about methane hydrates, and the fact that since methane is lighter it causes instruments that measure pressure ( altimeter I think) to falsify data for an altitude (for an airplane)...I was talking of anomalies created by ore in Bermuda Triangle that cause the compass to malfunction. now, Light since you know in geology more then me, please tell me were you disagree with my statement, do you agree that there is a great amount of ore in Bermuda Triangle? If you do agree, then do you think that ore causes the compasses in Bermuda Trinagle to point to the true north?

I know you are talking about methane hydrates, and the fact that since methane is lighter it causes instruments that measure pressure ( altimeter I think) to falsify data for an altitude (for an airplane)...I was talking of anomalies created by ore in Bermuda Triangle that cause the compass to malfunction. now, Light since you know in geology more then me, please tell me were you disagree with my statement, do you agree that there is a great amount of ore in Bermuda Triangle? If you do agree, then do you think that ore causes the compasses in Bermuda Trinagle to point to the true north?
Dragon, please try to pay closer attention. I clearly said that there is LITTLE iron in the area. And I also clearly stated that the instrumentation malfunctions were NOT due to any ore deposits but rather because of electromagnetic disruptions caused by heavy lightning during the powerful and sudden thunderstorm that frequently develop in that region. And no, the methane gas would have little if any measurable affect on aircraft instruments.

Yes, methane hydrates is the correct term but I assumed that not everyone here would know what that is so I simplified it somewhat.

So all the "weird" things are primarily a result of the very unpredictable violent weather that often pops up there with almost no warning whatsoever.

As you with me now?

Am I with you now? yeah. thanks for explaining man.

Aspergers? The one or two peopel I've met with it ddidnt seem that interested in spouting at length on an internet forum on something they were obsessed with.
They come in different degrees and with different sets of problems. Look it up and check it out.

One thing that many of them have in common is an obsession with numbers and math. Besides Rabon, I know another just like him (and diagnosed by two different doctors) that spends a LOT of time on forums and rambles on and on and on...

Am I with you now? yeah. thanks for explaining man.
You're very welcome. :) The whole Bermuda Triangle thing was started by one man and his book. It made interesting news at the time - just like all the 9/11 conspiracies today - and the newspapers picked up on it and it spread like wildfire. People love a good mystery and the weirder the better. ;)

There are others areas of the world that have exactly as many, percentage-wise, numbers of ships that disappear with the same frequency. One is in the Great Lakes of North America.

....One is in the Great Lakes of North America....
...were I am now...

...were I am now...
Interesting! I wouldn't know where to start, exactly, but there's probably some information around you somewhere about the numbers that are lost there. I've read in a number of different places and seen in documentaries where it's about the same - again, percentage-wise - as the Triangle. And it's all because of the same thing. Sudden storms develop on the Lakes and take ships completely by surprise.

Has enough Indian Ocean bottom plate sunk deeply enough into the liquid mantle to cause a slight drag on the spin of the equator sufficient to offset the effect of the gravity vectors of the Sun and Moon which produce the earth's wobble spirals?
Something profound stirs literally in the depths of the Earth. Mass polarization and electron flow have to change somewhere in the Earth in large quantities to produce A shift in the True Magnetic North Pole. One elementary way to see this is as “circuits” of electrical flow that have changed orientation inside the Earth. Only a change in actual MASS relationships can produce this circuit change. Since this is electromagnetism, we know we are looking at changes in the heavy metals, primarily the nickel-iron. For the past 21 days there has been no discernable wobble motion in the Earth. So, general of information (light), you explain that.

Has enough Indian Ocean bottom plate sunk deeply enough into the liquid mantle to cause a slight drag on the spin of the equator sufficient to offset the effect of the gravity vectors of the Sun and Moon which produce the earth's wobble spirals?
Something profound stirs literally in the depths of the Earth. Mass polarization and electron flow have to change somewhere in the Earth in large quantities to produce A shift in the True Magnetic North Pole. One elementary way to see this is as “circuits” of electrical flow that have changed orientation inside the Earth. Only a change in actual MASS relationships can produce this circuit change. Since this is electromagnetism, we know we are looking at changes in the heavy metals, primarily the nickel-iron. For the past 21 days there has been no discernable wobble motion in the Earth. So, general of information (light), you explain that.
This from someone who thinks the heat in the core comes from the sun and is delivered by convection?? You've got to be kidding me!

No change in "mass relationships" is needed to explain the shift in magnetic poles. It's generally accepted to be just changes in the direction of drift in the the molten magnetic material.

And who ever said it was "electromagnetism" anyway - in answer to your other silly supposition. It's magnetism, not electromagnetism. Just that simple. Do you even know the difference between the two? It would appear not.

This is a nit-pick which my pedantic nature would not let pass:
the only thing we know about this magnetic field concerning the development of life is that it shields us from most of the ultraviolet rays constantly coming from the sun. without it, life would either not have formed, or would be very different.
Roy, ultraviolet radiation is filtered by the ozone layer, not the magnetic field.

Planets poles and its orbit are determined by its electromagnetic charge pal.
What don't you understand about that? Distribution of the electromagnetic energy to a different electromagnetic field can appear from moment to moment. The geo magnetic poles are generated by the liquid Iron of the earths core aliigned w/ the axis of the core (polaris center).
Thick mantle which continually circulates and mixes due to the heat of the planets molten core.Thick Viscous rock like material flows from the inner most mantle to the crust by what? levitation? hahaha.
As the earth orbits the sun, the solar radiation and other solar radiation is received at aphelion and perihelion and this is why there are seasons. it balances the intake of radiation.

If you are talking about the magnetosphere, it deflects solar winds and is
not electromagnetic or what we are discussing herein.

Planets poles and its orbit are determined by its electromagnetic charge pal.
What don't you understand about that? Distribution of the electromagnetic energy to a different electromagnetic field can appear from moment to moment. The geo magnetic poles are generated by the liquid Iron of the earths core aliigned w/ the axis of the core (polaris center).
Thick mantle which continually circulates and mixes due to the heat of the planets molten core.Thick Viscous rock like material flows from the inner most mantle to the crust by what? levitation? hahaha.
As the earth orbits the sun, the solar radiation and other solar radiation is received at aphelion and perihelion and this is why there are seasons. it balances the intake of radiation.

If you are talking about the magnetosphere, it deflects solar winds and is
not electromagnetic or what we are discussing herein.
Once again, you are talking mostly nonsense. Try doing just a tiny bit of research instead of talking so much - you'll actually learn something.

The magnetic (NOT electromagnetic) field of a planet, properly called it's magnetosphere, has absolutely nothing to do with determining it's orbit!

Yes, the heat creates convection currents. But you were claiming that the SUN heated the core through convection currents FROM the surface of the Earth. And that was - and still is - sheer nonsense.

I understand perfectly well how the tilt of the axis of the Earth and the incoming energy of the sun creates seasons (from the tilt) and weather (from uneven heating of the surface. In fact, I already told you some of that myself. But you were talking all that silliness about the heat being transfered TO the core from the sun. Would you like for me to go back and re-present your stupid statements to you? I'll be more than happy to cut and paste them if you need reminding.

And once again - do you actually know the difference between magnetic and electromagnetic? I still don't think you do.

Your so full of garbage LIght, you can even take the time to exsplain your self, or even any thing your talking about,
Please do try and exspalin LIght what is the difference between electro and magnetic, you moron!!!

Lets hear your Nonsense, Big boy

DwayneD.L.Rabon

Your so full of garbage LIght, you can even take the time to exsplain your self, or even any thing your talking about,
Please do try and exspalin LIght what is the difference between electro and magnetic, you moron!!!

Lets hear your Nonsense, Big boy

DwayneD.L.Rabon
Rabon, you are one of the true morons here. Yes, I can take time to "exsplain" myself. In your sheer stupidity I'm sure you meant I can't even take the time. See how easy it is to see how thick-headed you are???? You cannot even type what you want to say and end up saying the exact opposite of what you mean!! Wow - some "genius" you are!

So, yeah, I'll explain it and perhaps you can get some adult to tell you what it means. I'm sure it will go right over you're widdle head, you poor thing.

An electromagnetic field actually consists of two fields, an E field (electric) and an H field (magnetic) that exist at right angles to each other. (That's 90-degrees, D-wayne.) An electromagnetic field radiates energy.

A magnetic field consists of a H field only . It is static and does NOT radiate any energy.

Now... Go get Momsey or Popsey or the kid next door to read that and "exsplain" it to you. :rolleyes:

Thick Viscous rock like material flows from the inner most mantle to the crust
Thick, viscous, rock-like material? Or rock?

Protostar, would you care to explain how planetary orbits are determined by electromagnetism?

Hey vibration of electromagnetic waves, the magnetosphere deflects solar winds. you have a hard time understanding don't you.
electromagnetic waves transmit and transport the light and energy
ALL LIVING THINGS NEED ELECTRIC.
If Magnetism comes from currents of liquid metals in the earths core
what forms the currents? eh?
An electric charge that is moving creates magnetic field.
There are many websites that you can go to to obtain the information
on planets poles and its orbits.

Hey vibration of electromagnetic waves, the magnetosphere deflects solar winds. you have a hard time understanding don't you.
electromagnetic waves transmit and transport the light and energy
ALL LIVING THINGS NEED ELECTRIC.
If Magnetism comes from currents of liquid metals in the earths core
what forms the currents? eh?
An electric charge that is moving creates magnetic field.
There are many websites that you can go to to obtain the information
on planets poles and its orbits.
Still don't grasp the difference between magnetic and electromagnetic, do you? It's you that needs to do some study on websites or elsewhere. Also, take a look at the answer I just gave D-wayne Rabon. Maybe you shouldn't feel too bad - that idiot claims to be a genius and doesn't understand the difference either. (Maybe the two of you could get together for a study session.)

Oh, and magnetism does NOT come from the currents, rather from the magnetic material contained IN them, and the currents themselves are a result of heat differentials.

No, not really because it just so small to begin with. You'd generate much more electricity with the smallest available solar cell.

What if you made it act under compression, how about then?

What if you made it act under compression, how about then?
I'm not quote sure I follow.

As you already know, I'm sure, for an electrical generator to produce electricity, either the field has to be moving or the coil that cuts the field must be. And since the magnetic field of the Earth isn't really moving, just slowly drifting over long periods of time, you would have to provide the rotational movement of the coil.

And then comparing the strength of the Earth's field to that provided by any common magnet, the one produced by the Earth is nearly inconsequential.

Are we on the same page here or am I missing something? (It's entirely possible that I am.) ;)

Are we on the same page here or am I missing something? (It's entirely possible that I am.) ;)

Not a bit old man, you've got an excellent pair of eyes on you, I doubt very much you've ever missed so much as a blink in your life - it's why I'm enquiring, you know your stuff.

It's this business about:


And then comparing the strength of the Earth's field to that provided by any common magnet, the one produced by the Earth is nearly inconsequential.

I know, weak as to be considered inconsequential. Couldn't have termed it better m'self. But it is a magnetic field, and it does respond to magnets introduced to it - drop a relatively strong magnet on the ground on a large sheet of paper, get a plotting compass, y'can map the degree of relative distortion the strong magnet produces in the field of the Earths - which is why I was asking about compression.

Force two magnets together, doesn't matter how weak they are, if the polarities forced to face one another are similar they repel each other absolutely. Physically forcing them together forces both to compress to some degree or other, the weaker field yielding in preference but in so doing, that action of forcing the two magnets together prompts a relative increase in density of the field that's being forced to yield and compress.

Thus, I was pondering along the following sort of lines. I do apologise for the crudity of the diagram, but I think it conveys the general idea:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6866/stator15mp.gif

Not a bit old man, you've got an excellent pair of eyes on you, I doubt very much you've ever missed so much as a blink in your life - it's why I'm enquiring, you know your stuff.

It's this business about:



I know, weak as to be considered inconsequential. Couldn't have termed it better m'self. But it is a magnetic field, and it does respond to magnets introduced to it - drop a relatively strong magnet on the ground on a large sheet of paper, get a plotting compass, y'can map the degree of relative distortion the strong magnet produces in the field of the Earths - which is why I was asking about compression.

Force two magnets together, doesn't matter how weak they are, if the polarities forced to face one another are similar they repel each other absolutely. Physically forcing them together forces both to compress to some degree or other, the weaker field yielding in preference but in so doing, that action of forcing the two magnets together prompts a relative increase in density of the field that's being forced to yield and compress.

Thus, I was pondering along the following sort of lines. I do apologise for the crudity of the diagram, but I think it conveys the general idea:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6866/stator15mp.gif
Ah-HA! Now I'm with you - you're talking about flux density. :) And that's a very nice graphic, by the way, something like you would see in a magazine article. Nice quality and layout! ;)

T'was my fault for being slow on the uptake, I'm already past sleepy and this will be my last post of the night (morning). I'd have caught it quicker if the word had been "concentrated" as opposed to " compressed." But that's just me - compressed is an equally valid descriptor.

Yes, increasing the flux density would give you more lines of force to work with, but I suppose the question would still remain - would it be worth the effort and expense? As my eyes glaze and my brain precedes me to bed, the proper phrase won't quite come, but it's something like "law of diminishing returns" or "cost-effectiveness."

I'm assuming the device is in orbit, otherwise any magnet would simply fall to the Earth's surface anyway. And it would have to maintain orbital velocity since the repulsive forces would still be very weak.

My apologies, sir, but I will need to revisit this tomorrow. (I've already corrected more typos per line than I would normally do in a whole page.) Somehow, it seems remotely possible that there might be something to this but at the moment I cannot see any advantage over a common, conventional approach and several things that seem to be disadvantages.

Farewell for a few hours...

I know the feeling old man, late isn't the word. Todays already yesterday in my neck of the woods and I'm struggling with just drinking a cup of tea. You're very kind, by the way, regarding the doodles. Just so long as they're clear and readable, best I can manage at this time of night.

You mentioned the problem with:

I'm assuming the device is in orbit, otherwise any magnet would simply fall to the Earth's surface anyway. And it would have to maintain orbital velocity since the repulsive forces would still be very weak.

Rather than being typically longwinded, I was thinking of addressing that along the following lines:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9937/compcontrol3za.png

Basically the idea would be, being in a micro-gravitational environment at the onset and producing something to act by way of electromagnetic resistance occurring between the orbital stator and the Earth right at the beginning, gravitational force should, in principal at least, be incrementally applied by decreasing orbital inertia proportionally to the degree of increasing resistance that occurs between the orbital stator and that of the Earths magnetic field.

With a resistant field to intervene, Gravity basically isn't being allowed to express its force in an uncontrolled acceleration Earthward - rather by decreasing orbital inertia gradually and letting gravity increase the degree of resistance occurring between the point of contact between the two fields - with what you'd have present y'should, in principal at least, have everything one needs to basically control the Stators rate of descent prior to its mass being under the influence of one full Earth g.

That should leave one with good couple of hundred miles deep of Earths magnetic field to squish down and in the process relatively increase flux density in, relative to the proximity of the Stator at anyrate....

Well, that's the theory. Anyway, sleep well. A ;)

For whatever reason, the interior of the Earth is getting progressively hotter, and the heat is radiating through the Earth's crust and the sea floor, warming the oceans above, and melting the glacial and polar ice from below. Such changes can only be attributed to subterranean volcanic activity, as it relates to the magma convection system that circulates between the core and surface of the planet, and indicates an increase in the core temperature.

Since the geological processes that produce the Earth's core temperature, such as radioactive decay, gravitational compression, and internal friction, remain relatively constant, there is only one other possible explanation for such a rise in the internal temperature of the Earth, and that is electricity. The magma contained within the interior of the Earth is electrified, and in fact it is the electrical energy contained within the interior of the planet that projects the Earth's geomagnetic field.

Since electricity produces heat in direct proportion to the amount of current flow, it therefore follows that an increase in the amount of electrical energy contained within the core, and magma convection system, would cause a corresponding rise in the interior temperature of the Earth. Such a rise in temperature would likewise produce increasing earthquake and volcanic activity, as well as the phenomenon known as global warming, while these magma currents carry the additional heat from the deep interior of the planet to the surface or our world.

An increase in the amount of electrical energy contained within the planet cannot be caused by geological processes which remain relativity constant, but are most likely caused by extraterrestrial sources, such as the activities of the Sun, and the electromagnetic interaction between the Earth and Sun, the interaction of the solar wind with the Earth's magnetic field, or through the process of electromagnetic induction.
Whatever the cause may be, the fact is that the Earth is getting hotter, and with the continuing rise in the internal temperature of the planet, profound changes in the weather and climate are now taking place, as well as increasing earthquake and volcanic activity in diverse places around the globe. Ultimately, there will be many topographical changes to the planet.

Cold earth core. why?, because its 2 Degrees Kelvin ( Now thats cold.)

DwayneD.L.Rabon

Cold earth core. why?, because its 2 Degrees Kelvin ( Now thats cold.)

DwayneD.L.Rabon
Oh, really? :bugeye:

Then please tell us why it's so hot inside deep mines, Iceland and other places have geothermal energy plants and explain the orgin of volcanoes?

We eagerly await the information that only YOU have.

I think it best to let Protostar and Dwayne fight this one out Light. We don't often get to certified weirdos on opposite sides. It could be entertaining.

I laugh at the old grump. He believes that CO2 levels are melting the ice caps.
What horseshit. Since when does heat fall? Heat rises numbnuts.
The rising temperature within the Earth is expanding the planet, as internal volcanic pressure rises, causing increased volcanic activity on a global scale, and instability beneath the tectonic plates that ride above. This is the cause of the many earthquakes in recent news, while at the same time subterranean volcanic activity beneath the sea floor is warming the oceans above, causing changes to the ocean/atmospheric heat exchange system that affects global weather patterns, and causing the extreme weather that is now plaguing every part of the planet.
My god, since when does heat lower itself hundreds of KM to melt the poles?
And by the way, the glaciers are growing, caps melting but glaciers are rock like and ice (kind of like a plastic) a very hard plastic which DONT MELT.

look at satellite pics of earth from 1990s to today. hello, anybody home?
What is that white stuff down there at the poles? white chocolate?

I think it best to let Protostar and Dwayne fight this one out Light. We don't often get to certified weirdos on opposite sides. It could be entertaining.
Nice thought! I'll take that suggestion. :) On my way right now to lay in a store of popcorn and drinks. ;)