The following message was in my Outlook at Dec. 5. I have been waiting to long with posting this, but I think it belongs with the ruling mentality in the world and its destructive behaviour which is going on during the war on terrorim and other wars who are terrorizing Earth right now.

Not in the least to speak of the rudeness which is going on amongst the inhabitants of America now a days by acting from the security services and the government in particular. Racism and hatred are ruling the Land.

It is written down by Wayne Moody and the message is coming from Tawatnaw, a chief who gets his messages from the Spheres.

Shakeup Coming

The changes in your world are in the process of accelerating. The forces of darkness and light are polarizing and becoming more separated and clearly defined. It will be difficult to avoid making choices between the two clear options as the stresses of separation increase.

During this final intensification, your world will shake as has not been experienced but in far distant memories of previous continental destructions. You are entering into a period where the earth will shake in many places almost simultaneously. This is now beginning its buildup and will continue increasing so that a clear pattern will be recognized within the next few months. Many will be afraid and will fear that the predictions for massive earth changes, including the sinking of lands, massive inundation, and rising of new lands in the oceans, are upon you. There will be new eruptions as the pressures building beneath the Earth's surface are released.

This shaking is both a result of the inability of your leadership and your governance mechanisms to change in response to the many warnings that have been given, as well as our way to shake many more into a new awareness that major changes are necessary if your world is to survive its many assaults.

In the beginning, the quakes will not be massive in terms of creating great destruction. However, they will be many and will tend to increase in magnitude in those areas that are accustomed to quakes, and will also occur in greater numbers in places that do not normally experience quaking. As we say, the quaking will increase in numbers and will only begin to increase slightly in magnitude. However, this quaking will gradually increase in magnitude until there is sufficient attention given to its threats and until there is significant change in the methods of honoring the Earth. Many will feel the shaking, even in areas that are far distant from the actual quake epicenters.

We do not wish to create panic, nor do we wish to cause pain and destruction. However, a shakeup is necessary in order to change the relationships that many Earth inhabitants have with each other, with the sacredness of the land itself, and with the ways of governance. We are entering into a time where the people themselves must assume more responsibility for creating their own safety and their own communities, and to take control of their governance out of the hands of those who have only self-interest and who seek to control the minds and the economies of the masses for personal benefit. We tell those who are secure in their understanding and honoring of community and Earth not to fear these changes, but to embrace them with compassion and joy, for they will result in a new unity, a new peace, and a new harmony. We ask that those who are practiced in the ways of honoring the ground upon which they stand and honoring the Earth spirit step up their efforts to educate others and make their philosophies known.

We ask those to speak out to make their governments and their leaders accountable for their actions. We ask that they take even greater responsibility to speak their truths and to not fear what others might think or say. There is power in numbers; there is power in truth; there is power in a single individual speaking his or her truth, even to small groups. We tell you unequivocally that, as those of you who have an understanding of the sacredness of the Earth, and a passion for your cause speak out and be heard, and spread the word of truth to those close to you, the Earth will settle back down and become like a refreshing garden, nurturing and comforting you and providing a new level of safety and security.

At the same time, we will tell you that amazing new announcements, discoveries, and revelations will continue to be made that will help shift public opinion and awareness of new possibilities. These will be related to Earth history, energy sources, cosmic relationships, and previously hidden documents. These discoveries and announcements are designed to open eyes that have been refusing to see. The pressure has been building in intensity to reveal previously-guarded secret information. As more of these announcements are made, it will help to relieve the need for geologic shakeups.

We know that Wayne has been getting urges over the past several days to write something about the coming shakeups, as he has been seeing small hints, but has been reluctant to do so, for fear that it may not be accurate. We ask him to have the courage to share this information with others and to not fear that it might not be totally accurate, for it may encourage others to speak that may not otherwise be heard.


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One word, proper noun: Psychobabble.

So many words, so little substance.

Run in place, go somewhere.

:rolleyes:

The following report about Planet X came in by a mailinglist I am subscribed to.

Russias largest observatory has observed a 'new planet' approaching Earth.

The next message is from an alarmed human in San Diego who contacted NASA about this Planet X and he spoke with a scientist there at NASA:

Two things are certain, they told him (scientist at NASA): 1) Planet X
exists. 2) It is coming between May 15 and May 30 of 2003. The rest
is speculation. But, if its good enough for the NASA scientists, its
good enough for me( San Diego). The earth will stand still for about three days
and then, in one hour, rotate a full 90 degrees (the pole shift)
during which time winds will be an average of 200 miles per hour.
Every volcano on earth will erupt and of
course there will be many earthquakes, so two thirds of
earths population will die in that one hour surprise.
Then another 20% will starve to death during the next six months
because the volcanic ash will cover the earth and keep out sunlight
for six months. About 10% of the population (about 600 million) will
survive. He said NASAs top scientists wanted to go to Mars and
survive but that didnt work out. So they are making a space station
which will be able to maneuver itself on the other side of earth,
using earth as a shield between the space station and Planet X. This
way the top scientists will live. He said it is already affecting
Neptunes gravitational pole and once it gets close to Pluto, it will
take only three months to get here. He confirmed what Mark said
(although he never heard of this book), which is that Planet X goes
very slowly and then very, very fast all of a sudden. But, once near
Pluto it will be a red dot in the sky which will gradually get bigger
during several months, and can be seen with the naked eye six weeks
before the pole shift. He confirmed that the northern inland part of
the States is good; it is where the scientists are going. This will
be near the equator after the shift. After hearing all this, I wonder
whether I want to survive. I don't relish the idea of seeing starving
people. I haven't made up my mind, but it is definitely shifting me
into an altered state just knowing this. I am living my life fully
appreciating everything, which began after reading Mark's book and is
now intenisfied. For those of you who are having second thoughts
about survival, I cannot recommend highly enough Dr. Michael Newtons
research on the afterlife: Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls.
Read those if you have any fear of death. If you want to survive
those 200 mile per hour winds, though, you need a dome house and lots
of food stockpiled! Another thing: I have known about the secret
elite government for about three years. But after finding out the
truth, I feel that even if we had a benevolent government, they are
wise not to publicize this. They are powerless to find the resources
to save everyone. Besides, it is wise to let the masses enjoy their
lives till the last. I am now working on forgiving
them for all they have done to mess up this planet; how
this all plays out may actually make their doings a moot point.
Hopefully, as this man quoted his friends, Planet X will be the great
equalizer, dethroning the powers that be.


Zecharia Sitchin is a world renowned scholar, author, and
acheologist. I've heard enough reports to understand that Zacharia
Sitchin occasionally says that X is very close to passing. He will
not elaborate on why he says this or give an exact date. This is
hearsay and is not something he does regularly or will admit to on
the record. So with this in mind take it anyway you see fit.

Insiders in Nasa & the military privately confirm that many are
quietly building dome-homes (strongest structure know to man) in the
upper USA (one of the safest areas). Make a few calls about domes &
confirm this for yourself.

Trusting the Pentagon/gov't to guard itself & relay needed
information to protect you is clearly illogical.

Planet X is Nibiru, Wormwood, or THE MOST REVERED HEAVENLY BODY IN
ALL ANTIQUITY. After 3600 years on its regular orbit it will pass
again in SPRING 2003. It's RECORDED IN ANCIENT TEXTS & the SCIENCE OF
ARCHEOLOGY shows its effect on Earth with each passage. Yes, some
conspiracies are without merit, ignoring history and science is
another matter. The faint red cross to the left of this red object in
the middle may be X.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010702/kuiper.html#

In July, 2001 the red object "2001 KX76" was disclosed, it's NOT X.
This was the original attempt at misdirection. By August 2001 the
disinformation had changed to the "LARGEST ASTERIOD EVER" and it's
now shown as blue. All speculation about a large DULL RED inbound
brown-dwarf coming in from that direction was to be avoided. It's the
same label on a different object.

http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2001/phot-27-01.html#note3

Nasa will continue to identify objects ahead and around X to
misdirect attention. The normal helpful & professional Nasa employees
are being evasive & condescending when asked about it. As many know
Nasa has covered-up evidence of ufos, ET's, & structures on the moon
and mars for quite some time. How Nasa has chosen to handle their
knowledge of Planet X fits into this same pattern. Over 600+ current
and X gov't employees are currently working to change this gov't
deceit within "The Disclosure Project," working on capitol hill.

Here's where to find the real X coordinates:

http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90207.htm

X has INTENTIONALLY BEEN MADE TO SOUND RIDICULOUS and confusing for
several reasons. One of which is to avoid causing panic among the
world's population. Many websites and articles continue to be written
about Planet X that spread lies. They say it only MAY exist and comes
around only once every few million years IF it does. This
disinformation is widespread.

X orbits between our sun and its dark twin. A diagram from the 1987
NEW SCIENCE & INVENTION ENCYCLOPEDIA shows our dead twin sun & the
10th planet.

X's MASS, MAGNETISM & DENSITY is such that it DISRUPTS the surface of
EVERY PLANET IT PASSES. In fact, history shows approximately 7 YEARS
PRIOR to its passage its far reaching eletromagnetic/gravitational
influence changes Earths core flows TRIGGERING WEATHER, VOLCANIC &
SEISMIC ACTIVITY. Since early 1996 traditional WEATHER has CHANGED
DRAMATICALLY, breaking all time records regularly. The up-tick of
QUAKES, VOLCANIC INCIDENTS & changes in ELECTROMAGNETICS are being
kept out of the media as much as possible. Weather alone can falsely
be blamed on global warming & sun cycles but not earths rumblings at
the same time.

Research the advent of PLANET X and the cataclysms it will trigger by
passing EARTH. Being prepared and FOREWARNED gives one an EXCELLENT
CHANCE to SURVIVE.

"BLINDSIDED, PLANET X Passes in 2003, EARTHCHANGES!"

Even the majority of the earthchange intuitives prophecies are tied
into or name Planet X.

ALL OTHER NEWS PALES IN COMPARISON TO THIS IMPENDING MEGA WORLD WIDE
EVENT OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS.


Stephanie, an appreciative reader, posted 22 pages from
Blindsided Planet X Earthchanges here:

http://www.metatech.org/planet_x_nibiru_earth_changes.html

Nexus Magazine Nov/Dec issue; scrool down to "Twilight
Zone" and click 2nd underlined url/sentence. It leads to
2 donated websites.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/806.conts.html

http://www.prep2003.com/index.html
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The next message is from an alarmed human in San Diego who contacted NASA about this Planet X and he spoke with a scientist there at NASA:

Sounds and reads more like that alarmed human in San Diego spoke with a NASA janitor and couldn't tell the difference.

:rolleyes:

Really, Banshee, you need to install some kind of bullsh*t-o-meter in your brain to filter some of this rubbish. Is there <i>anything</i> you don't believe in?

<i>Russias largest observatory has observed a 'new planet' approaching Earth.</i>

Oh? Please provide a link to the announcement by that observatory, or to a reputable new source with the story.

<i>Two things are certain, they told him (scientist at NASA): 1) Planet X exists.</i>

Which scientist? Name please.

<i> 2) It is coming between May 15 and May 30 of 2003. The rest
is speculation.</i>

What? They can't do any better than the date? No more information? Really?

<i>The earth will stand still for about three days
and then, in one hour, rotate a full 90 degrees (the pole shift)
during which time winds will be an average of 200 miles per hour.</i>

Why? How? What's the physical mechanism for this? Do you have any idea of how much energy would be required to do that? What's the source?

<i>Every volcano on earth will erupt and of
course there will be many earthquakes, so two thirds of
earths population will die in that one hour surprise.</i>

2/3 eh? Wow. But that's just speculation, right?

<i>He said NASAs top scientists wanted to go to Mars and
survive but that didnt work out. So they are making a space station which will be able to maneuver itself on the other side of earth, using earth as a shield between the space station and Planet X. This way the top scientists will live.</i>

Even if this was true, what good would it do?

<i>Planet X goes very slowly and then very, very fast all of a sudden.</i>

What's the mechanism for this? Do you realise how much energy would be required to do that? What's the source?

<i>For those of you who are having second thoughts
about survival, I cannot recommend highly enough Dr. Michael Newtons research on the afterlife: Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls.</i>

Oh, come on... one thing at a time, please!

<i>Another thing: I have known about the secret
elite government for about three years.</i>

Dare I ask?

<i>Zecharia Sitchin is a world renowned scholar, author, and
acheologist.</i>

I've never heard of him.

<i>Planet X is Nibiru, Wormwood, or THE MOST REVERED HEAVENLY BODY IN ALL ANTIQUITY.</i>

But this is all speculation, isn't it, since all we know is the date, right?

<i>Nasa will continue to identify objects ahead and around X to
misdirect attention.</i>

Why would they do that? Nasty NASA! Bad NASA!

<i>The normal helpful & professional Nasa employees
are being evasive & condescending when asked about it.</i>

Let me guess. They call you a nutter then hang up on you. Can't see why, myself.

<i>X orbits between our sun and its dark twin.</i>

Dark twin? Oh dear...

<i>X's MASS, MAGNETISM & DENSITY is such that it DISRUPTS the surface of EVERY PLANET IT PASSES. In fact, history shows approximately 7 YEARS PRIOR to its passage its far reaching eletromagnetic/gravitational influence changes Earths core flows TRIGGERING WEATHER, VOLCANIC & SEISMIC ACTIVITY. Since early 1996 traditional WEATHER has CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, breaking all time records regularly.</i>

Ooh...lots of capital letters there, so it MUST be important!

etc. etc.

Boring.

Banshee this is way, way too much. If planet X passes us every thirty six hundred years then mankind would definitely not be what it is today. I heard about another planet being discovered but it's way out in the Oort cloud. I cannot accept this because true scientific thought supersides such b.s. Shouldn't this hurt planet Earth too?

Plus you're forgetting jupiter and saturn-two gravity wells that have probably saved Earth more times than we could count from huge comet impacts. Remember shoemaker levy 9? I bet sooner or later without jupiter those 'babies' would hit Earth.

Plus if we launched all the nukes on Earth towards it (it sounds crazy but so does this statement) I think that it's trajectory would noticeably change. I haven't seen or heard of any dome houses, and don't you think that NASA and the government would want to inform us of such a momentous event? Shouldn't more private organizations across the world also be observing this? There are way, way too many holes.

Banshee do you really believe this? Honestly?

Shrike, did you read the links which are given with this?:)

Lots of information to be found there.

Guess it is much harder for you humans to read all of it in this Topic then it is to read about it at the Science Forum. Isn't it? Bet the reactions would be different there,

Read the links please. They are not mentioned with it for nothing.;)

It is easy to do, just klick on it and read.

By the way, I didn't say it was so. I am just passing information. You can look at it in any way you want. But then be serious and read the links with it...

I have glanced through each site NOW-I had no time before, but since it takes ~3660 years for an orbit that would mean that a sh*tload of people died in 1660 b.c. Is there any record of that? NOO. The Roman Empire existed until the early A.D's, they never recorded any apocolypse and they would definitely be the ones to read through to find if there really was one. I don't know how old that empire is but I believe that it did extend well beyond 1660 b.c

This is just totally ludicrous. Did you know that since humans could speak to each other and form religions they've been saying that the apocolypse was coming? I saw on the today show about two fellas who predicted a massive storm that would ravage america in the year 2000, but unless I've been living up on the ISS with no windows or radio antennae then I don't believe anything remotely like that occured. The fact is that if armaggedon happened before than there would be some record of it. I have never, ever seen so much b.s in my life, when it comes to armaggedon theories.

Oh, wait, let me form a similar theory to this one:mad:
Five and a half years from now a man in a large yellow hat with a pet monkey will fly off in a rocket and hurl pluto at Earth, which will kill EVERYONE before ANYONE knows ANYTHING about it. We'll all be gone. Poof. We're all dead.

here's a link:http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_438287.html
and another one: http://www.newgrounds.com

There is no factual evidence in my theory, and there is no factual evidence in the planet x one.

Phew, I'm sorry for getting so flustered :)

Shrike, I have had the news from Ananova. Nothing new under the Sun. A vulcano erupted a little in Mexico and no evacuation was necessarry. Lucky for the humans living there. :)

I don't say it is so, I pass information. It are no facts, just theories. Like the following, but worth taking notice of it.

With regards to Krsanna Duran:

Earthquakes and volcanoes will not destroy the existing civilization, but the effects of major earth events will trigger devastating effects by way of existing corruption within the society. Nuclear, biological and chemical contamination released through earthquake damage is potentially catastrophic to the genetic integrity of all life on this planet.

The contemporary devastation of nuclear, biological and chemical agents in the modern society obviously differ from conditions of the ancient societies, but weak social structures could have been radically impacted by earthquakes anciently.

DID EARTHQUAKES END ANCIENT CULTURES?
SENT by Bill Hamilton:

Dec. 14 - Killer earthquakes may have caused the collapse of numerous civilizations through human history, scientists said on Thursday, offering fresh theories for the sudden disappearance of urban cultures ranging from ancient Troy to the Maya of Central America.

"The key question is: why were these places physically destroyed?" said Amos Nur, a professor of geophysics at Stanford University. "We believe that natural disasters, and especially earthquakes, played a major role."
Nur, one of a number of scientists briefing this week's meeting of the American Geophysical Union, developed his theory looking at the end of the Bronze Age in the eastern Mediterranean, where cities including Troy, Mycenae and Knossos were literally wiped from the map around 1200 B.C.

Nur has suggested that an "earthquake storm" may be responsible for the disappearance of so many large urban centers between 1225 and 1175 B.C. Other scientists at the meeting have taken the theory further, suggesting that historical earthquakes may have caused the collapse of other civilizations ranging from the Harappan of India's Indus River valley in 1900 BC. to the Mayan Classic Period in central America in the 9th century A.D.

The Harappan, after thriving in the Indus River area for some 2,000 years, disappeared around 1900 B.C. - a vanishing act some scholars have blamed on everything from changing trade patterns to Aryan invaders from the North. Nur and Prasad, however, looked at the region's seismic history - and noted that numerous catastrophic earthquakes have periodically struck the coastal region near the border between India and Pakistan.

According to their theory, one or more such seismic events could have moved enough earth to effectively dam one of the area's major rivers, disrupting agriculture and leading to floods which eventually covered some of their cities in silt. Stanford geophysicist Robert Kovach is applying the same theory to the Mayan Civilization of Central America, one phase of which ended abruptly when the cities of Quirigua and Benque Viejo were suddenly abandoned in the late 9th century.

Kovach's research postulates that both cities - cultural centers of the Mayan Classic Period - could have been leveled by a single earthquake on the Chixoy-Polochic and Motagua fault zones.

Nur conceded that the earthquake hypothesis has its critics, at least one of whom has dubbed it the "Godzilla Attacks Babylon" theory of human cultural decline.

Major problems in identifying specific faults responsible for past earthquakes, as well as more theoretical challenges to the notion that a brief disaster could wipe out a thriving civilization, have all raised as reasons to doubt the theory. But Nur said that growing seismic evidence, when coupled with the human historical record, may eventually prove that earthquakes have been major factors in numerous incidents of cultural collapse.

"What really gets destroyed by these earthquakes are the monumental structures, it's not the farmers in the field," Nur said,- suggesting that small ruling elites in strictly hierarchical civilizations may find themselves defenseless in the chaos following a major quake.

"The evidence is all patchy. It's the ultimate detective work," Nur said. "But when you have a really big earthquake, and weakness in the center of society, then the quake can be the trigger - it can be the thing that pushes civilization over the edge."

Remeber...No facts...just information.;)

Banshee , do you know how many acopolipse theories I have heard. The last 3 years have been extremely full of them
According to them I should have been died in summer of 1999, 31 12 1999, 1 1 2000, 6 2000, 2001. etc etc.
the same happened in 1000s, check the history records. everyone in christian world panicked then. And about planet x, don't you think tht private observers would have had noticed smth so big as a whole planet.]
and eve if it is a planet the gravitational force of saturn and jupiter is more than enough to pull the planet to them not us.

Orbit Simulation of an in August discovered asteroid reaching Earth in 2003.

This one is coming real close to Earth.

And what about the weather which is behaving rather strange at the least, looking at what happened in Australia during the last week. Twisters, heavy rain, Lightning and even very low temperatures (2-6C), during the Summer time.

First things first. The asteroid simulation:

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=2001PM9&group=all&search=Search

Enjoy...;)

Banshee,

<i>And what about the weather which is behaving rather strange at the least, looking at what happened in Australia during the last week. Twisters, heavy rain, Lightning and even very low temperatures (2-6C), during the Summer time.</i>

Where in Australia, Banshee?

There was a twister out at sea seen by the boats in the Sydney to Hobart yacht race, but that would not be too uncommon. Neither is heavy rain or lightning, which we've had in Victoria. As for the low temperatures, we had a couple of days at about 20 degrees C, which is low for this time of year (but not 2-6 degrees). But a couple of days ago we had a day over 30 degrees. Nothing odd, as far as I can see.

I knew you were coming at the Forums today James R. So I've been waiting for you. There you go, with pictures.;)

There sure has been some serious weather happening over there in Australia. The temperatures quoted are in Celsius.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Bath" <mbath@ozemail.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather@world.std.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney to Hobart Waterspout

I've put a few video stills for those few that may have missed the TV news
:-)

The tornado was filmed off Jervis Bay, not sure of the time, but looks about 7.30pm 26/12?

Certainly seems to be a nice circular base of a large thunderstorm, and on the NW flank.

http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/1226tv01.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/1226tv02.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/1226tv03.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/1226tv04.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/1226tv05.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/1226tv06.jpg

regards, Michael

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:52 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Temp extremes.

Thursday morning and it's 2 degrees in Canberra - their lowest in
December for 37 years and light frosts are about. Canberra's record low of 1.1 on 18-12-1964 still stands as the lowest
summer temp in an Ausssie cap city. Anyone ever seen frost and fire together?? (No - not at same place obviously but in the vicinity of each other. Cooma -3 appears to be a December record.
And with records possible in Qld and NE NSW (what about 45 at Evans Head on 24th), where's Blair when you need him? On hols ??

Don White
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Victoria - Christmas & Boxing Day

Evening all,

Images from the last couple of days in Victoria
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/25_12_01.htm
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/26_12_01.htm

Summer?? 9.8C in the CBD at times this afternoon!! Storms - yes -hail, lightning, thunder, heavy rain, flash flooding....!!

Jane

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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence@stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 2:22 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Hot and Cold

Gympie's 40+ for the 3rd day in a row... Brisbane city is +38 similarly and at 2pm on Boxing Day afternoon, Melbourne is 9.8 degrees....and people live there.
Any records?

Don White
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And there is nothing in it about the deliberatily lit fires. I can go on with that if you want.
Without a television.:)

Ok, so we have a few record temperatures <i>for this time of year in certain specific locations</i>. So what? On any given day, I'd say somewhere around the world is having a record low or high temperature for that particular day (or month) of the year.

What are you trying to get at with this? Why do you think these things are significant? What do they signify, in your opinion?

Nice info, by the way. Good to see some cold hard facts for a change. Keep it up. :)

I'm a firm believer in global warming, but there's a small part of me that thinks that maybe what's going on is no more than what the conservative republicans are saying. I BELIEVE they think that it's just a natural time in the Earth's 'life' for it to be warming up, like El Nino, that it's just something we haven't discovered.

As minute as this possibilty is you should probably keep your mind open. Banshee, if the world really is warming up and cooling down way more than it should when do think that it'll become unbearable for humans? Are there any websites out there with and predictions?

Calm down Banshee. I admit that there is a period of uncertainity coming same way we had the 9/11 situation, wars and so on. From time to time, instability in human society will occur but we will pull through because it does not wipe us out. Those who are worried about their safety should track these events and can take preventive action to stay out of the harms way.

On the otherhand, extinction level events can not be prevented and hence no point in shouting "sky is falling". In between, USA and NASA has plans in place to prevent medium meteor strikes as soon as we are ready. So, relax and have a pina colada and enjoy yourself.

Let the governance board take care of the major events...

hey all :)

hey Banshee..
greeat topic! ... Great research :D
you seem to have upset James R. :(
oh well... :rolleyes:

since james professes to be a man of science he will undoubtably realise the fragile protected nature of the theory of basic phisics!
...ayee...!
james please expand a little on your personal view of the theory of light speed travel in lamens terms so some (well me actualy)
may have a better understanding of whos porch your rocking on?

:D

groove on all :)

Banshee,
Have you ever seen these light spheres? I know of a location in Colorado where the light spheres have appeared to groups of people. I'm hoping to visit it with my husband this summer. It is near where Christopher O'Brien lives.

I just read the rest of the postings above and in defense of Banshee, I read yesterday that the National Audubon Society has reported that sightings of birds normally located hundreds of miles away are showing up in odd locations. I wonder why. This involves various different species of birds.

ripleofdeath,

My theory of light speed travel is the same as Einstein's - no object with mass can travel at the speed of light.

Did you want to know anything else?

Welcome at Sciforums.

I know the Light Spheres yes. They don't show up every time, but I hope you will see them.;)

How about the Light Beings? Ever met them? I am curious to know.

It seems like a lot of members posting here don't dare to speak up about this 'subject' because of some skeptics on the boards.
Well, skeptics will always be there. So what?:)

Come on, give us some more information about yourselves. Nice for James R, to play with.;)

James R, can you go with your time travel theory to the right Forum please? Thank you.

Typical though that NASA takes satellites out of orbit. Wonder what the reason is. More to hide for the humans?

As far as the Earth changes concern...There are a lot of Birds and other Animals who die at the moment, because of lack in living environment.

Turtles who come to India's coast to lay their eggs are dying. The egg shells are to thin for the little turtles to survive and the ones that do come out, are captured, to be eaten by humans. What a nice world we humans have made in our race to explore and invent and to make sure we have control. :(

This consuming and destructive race has 'amused itself to death'. 'It was the greatest show on Earth...but that is over...'

'On supplie, down to the very last breath...' - Roger Waters

:rolleyes:
I have had encounters with light beings, both while awake and also in the inner realms. My guides/ teachers r the arcturians, and their spirit is very full of laughter and love. They appear as bluish white/golden beings to me. :)
I study physics and do have verifiable scientific proof of many different "psychic" experiences i've had.(I i put that in quotes because it is so much a part of my normal waking consciousness that there isn't anything psychic about it, These "feelings" or "intuiitions residre within all of us, and as we educate(latin for draw forth) our inner selves as 2 the workings of things , either through prayer or quiet minded mediation, all these "powers" and things are simply second hand.

As for james r:
Quantum physics shows us that what we look for influences what we find, so if you want PROOF, change the way you seek it. I know of many projects that Cannot be patented, because they do not fall within the current scientific paradigm. These patent officers say that the stats r wrong or its a fake, just because the current scientific community chooses not to acknowledge, say, free energy systems. They say they do not exist. This is the REAL heresy of our times. The actions of these "SCIENTISTS", which they r not really, for scientists live within the real world, are completely illegal by any means of our current law and judicial system. Well, enough of that


This was proven to me during my 2 year stay, and education, and teaching degree in the School of Metaphysics. I didnt know what i was even looking for, until i changed the questions i was asking, and the "belief" i had built about and around the world around me

I have had experiences with extra terrestrials since young, and
now i am keeping tabs on the disclosure project and keeping in touch with dr Greer. His efforts r the most influential on our world and future on earth at this time,(if we choose to have one, which i do). Anyone intersted should check out CSETI site.

Banshee, thanks for welcoming me. Have you seen the light spheres?

Banshee and Ripvanfunky, I have never seen a light being that I remember. Are they humanoid in appearance? I once saw a part of a blue cylinder of light exitting my room via the ceiling at around 3a.m. I had a flashback around the same time as the above event where I was floating above my bed and then was released to the bed. When I was floating above the bed it felt similar to how you'd feel if you tried to flex all of your muscles at once. I've been told by a Mufon state director (not Texas') that a line of marks down one of my upper arms is what is called in the abduction circles "scoop marks". I have a small lump under my left ear that the director said is similar to what Whitley Streiber has. I try not to become too obsessed with the whole thing. I am very interested in the UFO phenomena and other paranormal topics. I hope to have many more conversations at this board.

Banshee:

I was politely responding to ripleofdeath. I didn't raise the topic. I am happy to continue the time travel discussion elsewhere, if ripleofdeath wants to. Perhaps your request would have been better addressed to him or her.


ripvanfunky:

<i>I study physics and do have verifiable scientific proof of many different "psychic" experiences i've had.</i>

Ok. Show me.

<i>Quantum physics shows us that what we look for influences what we find, so if you want PROOF, change the way you seek it.</i>

Pardon? Could you explain that for me? My understanding of quantum mechanics seems to be a little different from yours, at least at first glance.

<i> I know of many projects that Cannot be patented, because they do not fall within the current scientific paradigm.</i>

Things do not have to fall within the current scientific paradigm to be patentable. The law does not require that. Hell, an invention does not even have to <i>work</i> as advertised to be patentable.

hey all :)

i hope i have not caused an 'upset' :eek:

the issue as i see it is only a relative flash for a comparison,
to use as a gauge for relative acceptable perrameters of acknoledged reality.
... anywho :)

banshee...
and or others,
any clues on how to clear the reception for a better understanding?
Yoga?... Food?


:)

What are Light Beings exactly?:confused: :confused:


bye!

The Light Beings you can see as extraterrestrials. It is just how you want to call them. I have had contacts with them from my childhood on, so I called them the Light Beings when I was a kid.:)
Because of the enormous light aura's surrounding them. If you have a Lucid Dream or an OBE, you can travel to The Spheres and have contact with them.

There is also a way to contact them if you really need them or they contact you if they want to.:)

Guess Kdgtexas has had such an experience, the way the experience he had, is described. Isn't it great?;)

Ripleofdeath, you didn't upset a thing. James R has an issue with evidence. Seems he can not live without having control. Some things in life don't have the solid evidence he wants to, so it is hard for him to understand. Well, that is his problem, not mine, or any one elses.:)

Ripvanfunky, welcome at Sciforums.:) Very good to hear from you. Hope you will post some of your experiences here. Enjoy our cozy community.;)

Well, hello everybody. I have not been an active poster lately, for various reasons.
Great topic thought, and about time...;)
I don´t understand what you get upset about( directed to those who do get upset..). Is it that you wish these messages were not true, and therfore get "permission" to carry on with your irresponsible ways of living?
Does it matter if they are true or not? Isn´t it a very good message to take to your heart anyway?
Be more responsible with this planet and with your heart.

Oh, and yes, yoga and vegetarian food is ALWAYS recommended. :D

Hello, about the done houses.... I think I remeber reading something about a guy from Microsoft building a whole town of dome houses in arizona or some place like that, where everyone is networked and can do thier jobs from thier homes...... I read this and thought it very odd beore reading this post.... now its just plain stange, I will see if I can find something on these done houses again and post it. BTW Light beings? travel to spheres?? This sounds very interesting..... you also talk about common marks found on abduction victims.... please post more about these or if you would not like to change the topic of this forum hehe, then I can provide you my email for info....

OK found it....... the location was drastically wrong, but here is the link....

http://www.eastsidejournal.com/sited/retr_story.pl/22888


I don't know if this location would be considered safe or not with the X destruction. Either way it's rather interesting.

Thanks banshee for the warm welcome:)

Yes! :)
Good advice is good advice no matter how you get it.
What is said and what you hear depends on how you care (or manage) to process it.

Psychobabble... that´s what the average person hears when you try to turn them on to quantum mechanics. If you don´t get it, the problem might be you and not the info.

very...interesting. Too bad I'm not a gazillionaire (yet).

I still can't believe that an armchair astronomer wouldn't see a huge planet moving towards Earth. Or anyone else for that matter. There's no point in not warning everyone.

But I still can't believe that this world destroys Earth every 3600 years. If that happened intelligent life would be unable to evolve. If it did that every ten thousand years life would be screwed. That is the scientific reasoning that keeps me from believing this.

NEWS FLASH
Astronomer says, "we missed it"
Comet/(?) asteroid near miss!!!
So some would have us believe.
And "they" also say
It’s a rare but most probable situation!
Big missile system anyone?
and why would we put something strange in the warhead?
what war?
Oh ok are we winning?


A small walk around a big corner in a Larger market in which we really can't stop ripping our self’s off!!!
"Who wants to play"? Yells the annoying cheating child, that who none of the adults or even adolescents want to know.

Holding tightly to a belief gives it more strength, the tighter you grip (the greater the effect of the release)!

:)

the asteroid was small and the chances that it would've hit a landmass are minute.

Nothing confirmed.;)

This was sent to another member from the Earth mailinglist and translated from a German site:

This is the Russian perspective on earth changes. Hard facts that are going unreported in America. The atmospheres of the planets are changing.

Dr. Dmitriev's work shows that the planets themselves are changing. They are undergoing changes in their atmospheres. For example the Martian atmosphere is getting sizably thicker than it was before. The Mars observer probe in 1997 lost one of its mirrors, which caused it to crash, because the atmosphere was about twice as dense as they calculated, and basically the wind on that little mirror was so high that it blew it right off the device. Earth's moon is growing an atmosphere Also, the moon is growing an atmosphere that's made up of a compound Dmitriev refers to as ''Natrium.'' Dmitriev says that, around the moon, there is this 6,000-kilometer-deep layer of Natrium that wasn't there before. And we're having this kind of change in Earth's atmosphere in the upper levels, where HO gas is forming that wasn't there before; it simply did not exist in the quantity that it does now. It's not related to global warming and it's not related to CFCs or fluorocarbon emissions or any of that stuff. It's just showing up.Magnetic fields and brightness of the planets are changing.

The planets are experiencing sizable changes in their overall brightness. Venus, for example, is showing us marked increases in its overall brightness. Jupiter has gotten to have such a high energetic charge that there is actually a visible tube of ionizing radiation that's formed between its moon, Io. You can actually see the luminous energy tube in photographs that have been taken more recently. And the planets are having a change in their fields. The magnetic fields are becoming stronger. Jupiter's magnetic field has more than doubled. Uranus's magnetic field is changing. Neptune's magnetic field is increasing. These planets are becoming brighter. Their magnetic field strength is getting higher. Their atmospheric qualities are changing. Uranus and Neptune appear to have had recent pole shifts. When the Voyager 2 space probe flew past Uranus and Neptune, the apparent north and south magnetic poles were sizably offset from where the rotational pole was. In one case, it was 50 degrees off, and in the other case the difference was around 40 degrees, both of which are pretty big changes. The overall changes could essentially be broken down into three categories: Energy field changes, luminosity changes, and atmospheric changes. Overall volcanic activity has increased 500 percent since 1975 On the Earth, we're seeing the changes even more completely. For example, Michael Mandeville has done research that has shown that the overall volcanic activity on the Earth since 1875 has increased by roughly 500 percent. The overall earthquake activity has increased by 400 percent just since 1973. Natural disasters increased 410 percent between 1963 and 1993

Dr. Dmitriev did a very elaborate calculation of natural disasters. He showed that if you compare the years 1963 through 1993, the overall amount of natural disasters of all different kinds - whether you are talking hurricanes, typhoons, mud slides, tidal waves, you name it - have increased by 410 percent. The Sun's magnetic field increased by 230 percent since 1901 There's a study by Dr. Mike Lockwood from Rutherford Appleton National Laboratories in California, who has been investigating the Sun. He has discovered that since 1901, the overall magnetic field of the Sun has become 230 percent stronger than it was before. More than just Earth Changes So, all in all, what we're seeing is a lot more than just what they call Earth Changes. Some people get into the idea that there is an interaction between the Earth and the Sun that's going on here. Very, very few people are aware of the work that is being done in the Russian National Academy of Sciences in Siberia, specifically in Novosibirsk, where they are doing this research.

They've come to the conclusion that the only possible thing that could be causing this energetic change all throughout the Solar System is that we are moving into an area of energy that is different - that is higher. The glowing plasma at the leading edge of our Solar System has recently increased 1000 percent.

Now, check this out. The Sun itself has a magnetic field, of course, and that magnetic field creates an egg around the Solar System, which is known as the heliosphere. The heliosphere is shaped like a teardrop, with the long and thin end of the drop pointing in the opposite direction from the direction that we're traveling. It's just like a comet, where the tail is always pointing away from the Sun. The Russians have looked at the leading edge of this heliosphere, and they have observed glowing, excited plasma energy there. This plasma energy used to be 10 astronomical units deep (an astronomical unit is the distance from the Earth to the Sun, 93,000,000 miles). So ten astronomical units represents the normal thickness of this glowing energy that we used to see at the front end of the Solar System. Today, that glowing plasma has gone to 100 astronomical units deep. Although Dmitriev's paper does not give an exact timeline, we can assume that this increase happened in the same 1963 to 1993 period as the increase he found in natural disasters. Whenever it happened, that's a 1,000 percent increase in the overall brightness of the energy at the front end of the Solar System.

And this means that the Solar System itself is moving into an area where the energy is more highly charged. That higher-charged energy is in turn exciting the plasma and causing more of it to form, so you see more luminosity, more brightness. This energy is then flowing into the Sun, which in turn emits the energy and spreads it out along its equatorial plane, which is called the Ecliptic. This in turn is saturating interplanetary space, which causes the solar emissions to travel more quickly and charge up the energy on the planets. And this is conscious energy that is changing how the planet works, how it functions, and what kind of life it supports. The harmonics of the DNA spiral itself are altering. That's the real, hidden cause of spontaneous mass evolutions in previous epochs of time. All this is happening all at the same time, and it's all working up to a crescendo where there is going to be a sudden shift. In other words, we will get to the point where we are so far into the new level of energy that there will be a sudden expansion of the basic harmonic wavelengths that the Sun emits as it radiates energy out of itself. This increase in energy emission will change the basic nature of all matter in the Solar System. The planets are pushed slightly farther away from the Sun and the atoms and molecules that make them up actually expand in terms of their physical size.


No website included this time, I am sorry...:)

It is logical that our solar system will pass through an unknown region of space due to the rotation of our Milkyway galaxy and the galaxy itself moving in space-time. The problem is that 1963 to 1993 is only 30 years. The changes will be minute unless we are in an area with definite and sharp boundary. Neither NASA or others have not detected anything that has to be massive to create such changes.

Then again, we discover stuff every year. So, may be everyone should start digging with their Meade telescopes and Internet to corroborate what the Dr. says. If he is right, we may have only another 30 years to see major changes taking place including pole reversal etc.

Some psychics are saying 2012 is the year where drastic and noticeable changes will occur. I am ready like Mormons with 1 year supply of food and shelter....are you?

Afghanis are ready too with their cave complex unless bombed out of existence. :D

Besides in that thirty year period nothing THAT BAD really occured.

(GASP) Planets are growing atmospheres! They might...breathe us to death.

But seriously, maybe that would be an alternate answer to the global warming of Earth?

hey all :)

so just a small question...!

how much warmer does it have to get before the pollar caps melt and make everything very cold?

i guess the price of boats might go up?

along with learn to swim classes.

the crocodile wins again!!! :D
and the turtle maybe.


humans can adapt to everything except themselfs!!! :D LOL

how sad it is that if such an occurence happens then the most likely people to survive will be the very rich and the military!

what a poor show for the terran species!!!
maybe thats why war is soo common!
A COMMON ENEMY is a commoners whippng boy!

hold on to what you have because the illusion is too hard to live without!!! :D

Banshee..... ???
is it possible that the change in harmonics will "weed out" people with certain brain functions?
resulting in a global common character base?
or major personality change?


groove on all :)

so its been three days since rip's post-banshee is are there any new death threats from your e.t pals?

I find everything in parapsychology remarkeably interesting considering I believe hardly any of it. Maybe that makes me a hypocrite.

It should be a good thing if everybody here, should change their kind of behaviour, to start with.:)

The ones with an open mind and faith in themselves and the Cosmos will survive anyhow. They will be back here if they are going under by Earths destruction. Don't they?:p I can't care less about it. Death and I don't have an issue here.

So Pollux V, think about it, you don't believe it anyway, why are you asking then? A no good answer on a no good reply.;)

Ripleofdeath, you will live.:)

I'm serious wondering about guy's like bush though. Keep your eyes on the 'great' worldleaders and their private army. It won't last...

I'm sorry about acting so inconsiderate, banshee. That was a mean post.

Every now and then in a boring study hall with nothing to do I'll find myself searching for paranormal subjects and every once in awhile I'll find something that you've mentioned connected with other things that I've heard on the net-like Niburu, the world ending in 2013 (or SOMETHING).

But..........doesn't forty years seem like a LARGE time frame? A LOT of things can happen in forty years. When will we reach the thirty-nine-year mark? What's the anniversary for your prediction, bansh?

Keep those prophecies coming!

hey all :)

heyya banshee :) cheers thanks for the reasurance!

pollux V...
try looking at the bible and replacing the word GOD
with the word "off world visitor" !

and then look at the picture in the knoledge that the world leaders know this already!

... when will tesla have his day?

groove on all :)

Ripleofdeath has a point there. Don't know if you know something about the bible, there are mentioned more gods then the holy god almighty. This holy god almighty has even been visiting Abraham, together with 2 figures with wings (angels?).:)

It is common knowledge that there were Alien visitors on Earth in the beginning of the existance of mankind. That are the so called sons of Abraham. Alien visitors mingled with mankind and from there the modern man existed, humans, like you and me.

And the year 2012 is mentioned by the ancient Maya's as being the most important year. They are having another calender, recalculated in the yearcounting from nowadays, it is the year 2012 A.C. Are you a little satisfied oh Pollux V? It is just information...;)

It is common knowledge that there were Alien visitors on Earth in the beginning of the existance of mankind. That are the so called sons of Abraham. Alien visitors mingled with mankind and from there the modern man existed, humans, like you and me.

LOL. Good one Banshee. I knew you had a sense of humor. Unfortunately tho, I'll have to clean off the spaghetti sauce spewed all over my laptop. :)

Spaghetti sauce on the keyboard is actually the first sign of the apocalypse in my revised book. Be wary of being out of coffe in the mornings or dribbling tea on your cheek.
The aliens are here, you are talking to them :)

<.................................................. .....>
<..greetings third planet creatures...>
<.................................................. .....>
<..........my real name is vishnu.........>
<.................................................. .....>

Hello....people of Earth...where can I get a frapochino?

Hello Earth,

"I KNOW YOU"RE OUT THERE,I CAN FEEL YOU NOW,I KNOW THAT YOU"RE AFRAID,YOU"AFRAID OF US,AFRAID OF CHANGE...
I DONT KNOW THE FUTURE...I DIDNT COME HERE TO TELL YOU HOW ITS GOING TO END,I CAME HERE TO TELL YOU HOW ITS GOING TO BEGIN,I GONNA HANG UP THIS PHONE AND THEN I AM GOING TO SHOW THESE PEOPLE WHAT YOU DONT WANT THEM TO SEE...I AM GOING TO SHOW THEM A WORLD WITHOUT YOU...A WORLD WITHOUT RULES AND CONTROLS,WITHOUT BORDERS AND BOUNDARIES,A WORLD WHERE ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE...WHERE WE GO FROM THERE IS A CHOICE I"D LEAVE IT TO YOU...

:D

hey all :)

just remember that fear is the biggest marketing tool in the western society!!!

so look at those who highlight fear to the masses!

THE DARK SIDE IS WITHIN YOU!!!
thus all things are a choice of some fundermental nature.
DID YOU CHOOSE VIRTUE OR VENOM?
do you act or re-act?
choosing to do nothing is one of the most common choices!!!

but it just feels better to think we are fantasising about star wars!

isnt 12 such an interesting number! :D

groove on all :)

"Afraid you are...fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads to the dark side of the Force...."

Aint that the truth. The gospel of fear and love.
Bebelina can tell you all about it. She is authority :)

Btw, I had my next incarnation all set up. X-wing pilot with a knack for the force. Hope it´s not too late to change my mind. Now I´d rather be a stonecold skeptic who awakens one day to see the walls of reason falling down and after a traumatic transition become enlightened and wise.

The world needs more newborns :D

Thats it Banshee!!! Look this everyone that criticized me:

However, a shakeup is necessary in order to change the relationships that many Earth inhabitants have with each other, with the sacredness of the land itself, and with the ways of governance. We are entering into a time where the people themselves must assume more responsibility for creating their own safety and their own communities, and to take control of their governance out of the hands of those who have only self-interest and who seek to control the minds and the economies of the masses for personal benefit. We tell those who are secure in their understanding and honoring of community and Earth not to fear these changes, but to embrace them with compassion and joy, for they will result in a new unity, a new peace, and a new harmony. We ask that those who are practiced in the ways of honoring the ground upon which they stand and honoring the Earth spirit step up their efforts to educate others and make their philosophies known.

Well... what I've been trying to say here... :D
I'm trying to educate others... :)

We ask those to speak out to make their governments and their leaders accountable for their actions. We ask that they take even greater responsibility to speak their truths and to not fear what others might think or say. There is power in numbers; there is power in truth; there is power in a single individual speaking his or her truth, even to small groups. We tell you unequivocally that, as those of you who have an understanding of the sacredness of the Earth, and a passion for your cause speak out and be heard, and spread the word of truth to those close to you, the Earth will settle back down and become like a refreshing garden, nurturing and comforting you and providing a new level of safety and security.

This is what I've been doing here! I really don't fear what you, skeptics, think and say...

At the same time, we will tell you that amazing new announcements, discoveries, and revelations will continue to be made that will help shift public opinion and awareness of new possibilities. These will be related to Earth history, energy sources, cosmic relationships, and previously hidden documents. These discoveries and announcements are designed to open eyes that have been refusing to see. The pressure has been building in intensity to reveal previously-guarded secret information.

I've been telling new theories around here based in ancient Phylosophies and Religions... I've been also talking about the Earth history, when the Science and Religion were together...

Coincidences...?
I don't think so...

Blessings,
Nelson

Originally posted by Banshee:
It should be a good thing if everybody here, should change their kind of behaviour, to start with.

I totally agree. :)

These guys act like children... better grow up... ;)

Blessings,
Nelson

So, banshee, anymore armaggedon news to tell us? It's time we start bickering again;)

Go for it. You are on the right way. You see? Coincidence does not exist.;)

Pollux V, I'll be back...:cool:

....and I'll be waiting.

..for you............................

Over 1/3 of Europe's population died during the Black Plague, which was really bubonic plague. Historically, disease has rapidly removed large numbers of populations with very little fanfare. On the other hand, there has always been a small number who just don't fall victim to disease. Nostradamus was a physician who treated patients with the Black Plague and lost his wife and children to bubonic fever while he remained healthy. Nostradamus went into the prophecy business after his wife and children died.

Prediction is that large numbers of populations will disappear from disease in the next 50. There are several reasons for making this prediction. One reason is the rise in diseases and reappearance of diseases once thought to be "conquered". Polio has appeared again in some parts of the world. Autism has increased over 800% in a decade. Ebola and AIDS are epidemic.

Skin cancer is reaching epidemic proportions since the ozone layer has been badly damaged. If the natural curve of disease wasn't enough, biological warfare is the frontier of war these days. Sadam Hussein was developing biological weapons; and, if Sadam had biological weapons, you can be assured that we have them too. The recent anthrax outbreak originated in U.S. laboratories. The intent here is to point out a few facts that might be helpful in understanding what is happening around us.

Diseases resulting from a toxic environment produced by toxic minds, the mentality of warfare prevalent on Planet Earth, has produced sciences of biological war. That's the real frontier that is largely ignored, because it is so frightening and basic to modern lifestyles.

It is necessary to shift the focal point (assemblage point) of attention to get a different result of health capable of supporting the real purpose of humankind, which is attainment of consciousness. Physical health relies on a foundation of psychic, emotional and mental health. This is the only goal worth pursuing in this sadly afflicted world.


There you go Pollux V. Happy now...?:(

Banshee can't you look at the sunny side of life? Ebola has killed about twenty people total, and its stuck in the remote areas of Africa. Sure Autism has increased by 800%, but if it didn't have too many people with it in the first place it really isn't too much to worry about. Skin cancer can be easily prevented by wearing sunblock as often as possible in the summertime. The ONLY real epidemic to be worried about is AIDS, and that too is easily preventable.

Plus its doubtful that there will ever be any more biological attacks by anyone outside of the US and on any massive scale because no one has the manpower. I just watched a thing on sixty minutes about fifteen minutes ago highlighting a hydrogen powered car, in fourty years or under they'll be as popular as gas, and they'll probably be able to replicate the design for home heating and electricity production. The only waste hydrogen produces is water, probably safe enough to drink.

From a realistic perception there really is nothing to worry about.

Have you found anything out about Niburu tho? It seems to have shifted from the headlines.

Pollux V, you are asking for doom information all the time. Well, here you have one of them. I am not bothered with it in any way though. My life is as sunny as I make it. I suggest you do the same and leave the asking for doom information out, if you don't want to have it after all...:confused:

Well proving how illogical these armaggedon theories are always makes my days sunny:D

Now its my turn to post something about armaggedon I saw on my favorite paranormal website-paranormal.about.com

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa021102a.htm

Read the article, it's short and interesting. The one problem I have with this theory, that every 3600 years Nibiru rotates around the sun, right? This means that it has a very slow orbit, and if and when it starts its journey to the inner planets, wouldn't we be able to easily see it with our own eyes? Plus is it even likely that Earth will be on the same side of the sun as Nibiru? A lot of factors have to come together to make Nibiru work as the ultimate armaggedon, and I think that if it were to crash into earth in eleven years then we'd probably see it outside the orbit of mars because it'd be so damn close and its orbit is so slow.

Hey Shrike,

i have posted an article in astronomy forum that you might want to take a look at.




bye!

A time when humankind first emerged from the test from the research laboratory of galactic scientists who manipulated Apewoman was the backdrop of the longer 275,601-year resonant cycle to Sept 11. Zecharia Sitchin's Time Chart from "The Wars Of Gods And Men" notes 300,000 B.C. as the date of Homo sapiens' genesis, and the 275,601-year marker was a time when Homo sapien had started to multiply on the Earth.

300,000 B.C. - The Anunnaki [ET scientists] toiling in the gold mines mutiny. Enki and Ninharsag create Primitive Workers through genetic manipulaton of Apewoman; they take over the manual chores of the Anunnaki. Enlil raids the mines, brings the Primitive Workers to the Edin in Mesopotamia. Given the ability to procreate, Homo sapiens begins to multiply.

200,000 B.C. - Life on Earth regresses during a new glacial period.

What's so interesting about this is the parallel between the ET scientists who mutinied against laboring in the gold mines, and the current protests against the World Trade Organizations efforts to put humankind on their game board as a labor pool. In 200,000 Life on Earth regressed, and genetic changes now attributed to global warming reflects the early stages of another regression.

It looks like humankind is acting out the events set in motion by the Anunnaki at the beginning of Homo sapiens' existence. Perhaps we can move out of the human mold the Anunnaki put in place and create a new beginning with the influx of novelty at the timewave's zero point in 2012...;)

yeah......?

Did you lose it now? What do you want to know? More about the Anunnaki or timewave's zero point in 2012?

Thought you knew all about the Anunnaki? Reading the article you posted, you must know more about this particular subject.

Well, let me know, always happy when I see your posts. I'll be at your sevice...:cool:

Please tell me you don't <i>really</i> believe that stuff, Banshee.

Where are these gold mines? Where's the evidence of them? Where do your dates come from? For that matter, where does this whole story come from? It reads like a bad 1940s pulp science fiction story.

I thought you would say so...:)

Have you guys heard the news? Some volcanoes are erupting. One in Africa some weeks ago and Etna recently. Banshee is probably right. There have been more Earth activity lately...
Is this a sign of what Banshee says it will happen?

Blessings,
Nelson

Guess it is certainly a sign yes.:( There is a lot of Vulcano activity going on. The following article is only 1 of them. Vulcano activity will increase, as will Earth quakes. Sign of the times...:rolleyes:

Alert as volcano explodes 400 times an hour

A sharp increase in activity by a volcano near a major tourist centre has led to the declaration of an alert in three states in central Guatemala.

The number of explosions within the Volcano del Fuego - or Volcano of Fire - has increased to about 400 per hour from the usual 75 or so.

A flow of glowing lava was seen running down the volcano's south slope.

National disaster officials declared the alert for the departments of Escuintla, Chimaltenango and Sacatepequez, warning that residents of the area should be ready for possible evacuations.

The 3,763 metre volcano overlooks colonial Antigua, which was the capital of Guatemala until an eruption by the Volcan del Fuego caused a mudslide that buried it in 1541.

One of the hemisphere's most active volcanos, it has erupted repeatedly since 1524. The last major eruption was in 1974, but activity in 1999 forced evacuation of nearby villages.

A volcano of the same name in the state of Colima, Mexico, also has been erupting in recent days.

Story filed: 17:35 Monday 11th February 2002 http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_518618.html

Banshee,
Near here, where I live, is Yellowknife. Some Scientists reported big activity in Yellowknife. There is no volcano there, but there is risks of "eruptions" (or whatever) in an area of hundreds of kilometers... How does this works? Do you know? Is it those kind of earthquakes that opens the ground and the lava comes up?

Blessings,
Nelson

TruthSeeker,

Prehaps I can give you an answer. In an article I read sometime back, (please don't ask for a link as I don't even remember where) there was made mention that in the midwest is a large area that is thought to be a weak area in the plate. In this area, satellite measurement has made the indication that it is a large bulge. This bulge is thought to be made from magma being close to the surface. And it is slowly growing. The danger area was thought to be able to extend to the Texas vicinity should another eruption occur. This is quite a large area. It may be possible to do a search of the internet and recover the article.

wet1,

The one I heard about is in Canada. But It seems it is the same case as this one. Thanks for the explanation.

Blessings,
Nelson

Great thread Banshee!!

4 what its worth in Mar '86 Paul Tuttle channeling Raj mentions a little of this type stuff - the relevant bits at the bottom but I'll paste the whole section - he says its going to be gradual but hey - He may be in on the 'keep the people calm' conspiracy!

If you want anymore of this go here:www.nwffacim.org

QUESTION: Is there something cataclysmic that is going to occur on our planet or this solar system in the next 30 years on the material plane?
RAJ: Each dimension is embraced in the succeeding dimension. Therefore, the first is embraced within the second. The first and second are embraced within the third. The first, second, and third are embraced in the fourth. This plane of existence does not exist independent of the Whole. It is in actuality the visibility and tangibility of the Fourth Dimension, which is Conscious Being.
Although there is a major shift of consciousness, which will be occurring, which, to the ego, will be cataclysmic because it will mean the end of the ego sense, it will nevertheless constitute the clearer and clearer vision of Reality. And this is a wholizing process rather than a disintegrating process. It is the ego, which projects calamity-“The End of The World.” Its purpose is to conflict you so as to keep you from being centered, because, of course, being centered is what is going to promote the shift.
My answer to you is, no. So, you can dare to get about the business of giving your attention to your own transformation.
QUESTION: I probably chose the wrong words on that question. You spoke of a dramatic change in mankind. Will there also be a change in the physical nature of our world? I’m looking for elucidation on the transformation of mankind from the ego to the Fourth Dimension.
RAJ: As incredible as it might seem, it will involve every single individuality, from an aborigine in Australia to your most advanced scientists. You may understand it most easily in this way: The sun is quite capable of arousing the most educated individual in the morning,
as it is the most uneducated.
Waking up has absolutely nothing to do with the degree of education one has, or apparent spiritual progress, or obedience to religious rules. It is literally a matter of opening one’s eyes, because each one already is what he imagines he is moving toward. This is wonderful for those who might feel uneducated. And it might come as a shock to those who have worked so hard to develop a very marvelous superstructure of spirituality. But it needs to be understood that you are what you Are at the essence or kernel of your Being, and it doesn’t have anything to do with what you are understanding with your logical thought processes.
You are Meaning in the act of fulfilling Its purpose or Intent to be what It is. It is ultimately simple. It is totally nonconceptual. It is totally nonintellectual. It is what you are at your essence. This is why it is essential to relax, to become still. You must allow that which You already Are to emerge, and the emergence will not happen when you are so busy “thinking.”
Anyone who is actively practicing the Power of Positive Thinking is not in a position to experience the fundamental Orderliness of Life that is going on before a thought is thought. Yet, it is only as one releases the sense of having to maintain order, and is quiet enough and attentive enough to experience the Orderliness of Life, Itself, that any sense of peace and stability can emerge at an experiential level, so that there is confidence because of what Life is and not confidence because of the skillful way in which you are handling life.
Part of the marvelous transition will be the discovery that what you are calling the physical plane is only apparently a physical plane from within the three-dimensional-only frame of reference. The fact is that everything you call “physical” is absolutely mental. Is that marvelous enough for you?
Every single thing, which you see, whether it looks like redwood or birch or plaster or thread or cloth, is absolutely mental. It is a conscious experience. You say, “Yes, but I can feel it. It has weight. It has density. It has color. It refracts light in such and such a way.” But, the feel of it is also a conscious experience! Density is a mental experience. Texture is absent if there is no consciousness to experience it.
Now, the substance of every single idea or Meaning is Love. So, you will have the opportunity not only to experience the absolute mental nature-as opposed to purely physical nature-of forms, but the fact that it is Love expressed in form. Therefore, as well as expressing line and form and color, it is also expressing Love. It is illumined with Love. It is expressing Love-love that you can feel. Every single thing you see is a communication of Love at this instant, and in times of illumination it is possible to experience them that way, and it is just a glimpse of the incredible nature of this shift of consciousness.
You will have the added joy of not feeling separate from it in any way. You will be loved by a Love that is not different from You. There will be no sense of separateness from It, even though the apparent structure, the space-time continuum, will still be perceived. But, you will be able to own it all as You, as some aspect of the infinitude of your Being. As this happens increasingly, everything that you see will become less and less subject to dysfunctions of any kind. Ideas do not die, because they have arisen from the infinite Mind, the Life-Principle, and are as eternal as that Life-Principle.
So, yes, there will, indeed, be great transformation, a great leveling of the inequities, both in terms of relationships of all kinds as well as in terms of the imbalance, which is increasing at a “physical level” on your planet-the pollution, et cetera.
I will share with you also that there will be a shift of the poles, a shift of the axis of the earth. But, it will happen gradually, harmoniously, as the evidence of the clarification going on in individual consciousness in mankind as a whole.

Guess everybody reading the post made by Jaames understands by now the real meaning of the very first post, made in this thread, better.

Thank you Jaames, good link too. I appreciate this very much...:)

we've got armaggeDON, we've got armaggeDON, bumbah duhma bumBAH...



....well, one way or another. Banshee and jaames why do you even bother with these 'mystics,' why not just write repeatedly: all.....of......you.....are.....doomed....there... ..is....nothing....you....can....do....about....it .....so.....embrace....mother.....earth....and.... rock.....on!!

Oh Pollux V, why do you even bother to read it, if it makes no sense to you.

Vaguely I remember you, wanting to know everything about it. Did you have a kind of 'selfconvienent' memory loss...?:p

By the way, real nice, new avatar you have. And new 'lyrics' to go with it. Wonderful...;)

In the process of learning to predict events that are probable in cyclic periods, some conclusions have been reached that are pretty far off the beaten path. The viewpoint of predicting produces such a diverse perspective from the viewpoints learned as a child that is suspected that the biblical admonishments against soothsaying was a strategy to tighten the noose around humanity's ability to control its own destiny. That's an obtuse statement and obscure viewpoint, don't want to go into a lot more explanation here.

Once a person sets out to predict events, sources, whys and wheres that you wouldn't question otherwise become more apparent. One thing that has become clear in the search for underlying causes necessary to predict is the startling string of events that lead back to the desire of humans to control humanity.

Even more startling is the desire of some humans to be controlled, because they feel out of control and, in fact, are out of control. Conclusion is that sheer despair drives the actions of such a large number of humans, particularly religious fundamentalists of all stripes and strains, that they have lost hope in themselves and others. Therefore, anyone or anything that promises to control looks good to them.

In a situation described here, the Internet would be a perfect target to get the hopeless under better control. It's not hard to imagine that an effort could come from the highest levels who ride on human despair with promises to get other people under control.

We are in a melt-down of human beliefs that began its last phase around 1945 and reaches zero point in 2012. Pressed for a date for the next onslaught, I would guess that the autumn of 2002 would be a good date, because that's when historical stability, the re-enactment of history, reaches a small peak. But that peak lasts only a short period then collapses into novelty again. The last semblence of historical stability collapses in 2008.

The trend moves in peaks and valleys, and the next major peak of historical stability will come next fall. To predict a peak of historical stability one must take a good look at the history of Planet Earth, and a good look at our history reveals a saga of tyranny and victimization. This is the background with which we are approaching zero point, and fast and heavy efforts to achieve this historical goal should be expected...


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Glad you like that Banshee !

More Raj here

http://heavenlydesigns.homestead.com/raj.html

Well the little skeptical within just took ahold of me. However I am convinced about the psychic phenomena after experiencing it myself many times a week, if I'm lucky even in a day. But from my own experience armaggedon just could not be predicted without some from of grounded reasoning, either with REAL astronomy or real mathematics. I saw somewhere that in the Great Pyramid the egyptians had a timeline made out of rock. They said something like fifty feet from the year zero marked the end of the world, and somehow drew a conclusion that the end of the world was 'soon.' How do we know the egyptians even measured in feet (or meters, for you blasted europeans), how do we know that they didn't run out of space? How do we know that they were just religious-obsessive and said this to appease the current pharaoh? YOU DON'T! Prophecy does not work unless it is grounded in reality.

Oh, and thank you for the comment. I like my avatar and location too:D

Banshee,

Your decription of what will happen (2/3 dying in a surprise) is pretty much what is written in the Bible...!! :bugeye:

Love,
Nelson

Ancient prophesies worldwide point to this time as the transition, or emergence into what is known as the Fifth World. This predisposes that there were four* previous worlds before, which were all believed to have evolved to a point of high technical civilization, followed by a total and profound cataclysm, and global collapse. The last purported fall happened during the
age of Atlantis and Lemuria, known in our myth as the Great Flood. We are now at the end of the Fourth World and have entered the next phase of evolution.

According to the oral histories of the indigenous peoples of North and South America, we are now in the "great purification," a time when the world clears away the old clutter to allow for new growth. Before the emergence into the New World can happen, a purging of all that is out of balance will take place to restore the natural cycles of the planet, and of Life itself.

Whether the cleansing will be gentle or extreme is not known, but early indications are not comforting. Global whether systems have already produced increased earthquake activity, extremes in hurricanes and tidal waves, and the birth of previously dormant volcanoes.

Climatic changes are resulting in magnetic polar shifts, and the emergence and disappearance of landmasses. Immense ice shelves have split from the polar shelf, and are melting into the seas. El Nina, and El Nino, have taken their toll on the warming of the atmosphere and oceans, and continue to do so. Some economies have collapsed, others are on the verge of doing so.
There is pestilence, famine, and human genocide upon the land.

Our world is in a state of utter flux. Never before in our history have we had greater ability for mass destruction and the annihilation of our species, then now.

This is not a pretty picture we have painted for ourselves.

We see these catastrophic events on the news, and sometimes we experience them first-hand. We become overwhelmed and fearful, and often feel a sense of hopelessness.

What are we, the good people of planet Earth, to do?

Perhaps we can learn from the caretakers of our Planet, the Native Elders of the Americas, who silently and diligently have cared for our planet throughout these intervening years, and who have themselves, through their ancient prophecy and teachings, prepared for this time.

The Elders see this not as a time of despair, but one of birthing and bringing about a new, and better world. They see this as a time to release the old ways, and to embrace a global spirit of cooperation. A time to set aside our difference, and to join together for our highest good. They tell us; together we can make a difference.it takes the first drop to create an ocean.

The solutions are before us, if we have the eyes, and wisdom, to see.

We begin in our own homes and communities by ending our unabated consumption of the planet's limited resources. We read and learn, and inform ourselves. We begin to replenish and give back to the land, that which we've taken. We adopt new lifestyles and, restraint. We become involved.

It is a time to transmute the negative influences of our society and usher in the cooperative forces of higher consciousness, global vision, and galactic harmony. We must become caretakers of our planet, and value the sacred in all things if we are to live this philosophy courageously, and make our stand.

The prophecies tell of a place in the stars where the origins of man began, and speak of ancient traditions honoring those origins. They speak of the "star people" whom they call Thunder Beings, who have been with us always, and who are known to us through our collective myth, religion, and histories.

The Elders believe these Thunder Beings are both a force for creation, and also destruction. They are a part of our paradigm, an aspect of our unconscious selves that we as a collective are just beginning to explore.

The Elders speak too of the "heyoka," a person who in vision, or dreams, is visited by these Thunder Beings, and who, assists humanity in its exploration into the new worlds. Just as the Thunder Beings are contrary to our appointed paradigm, the heyoka too becomes one who is contrary to the
accustomed, and accepted, rules of his/her society, who is in some way in opposition to that which is status quo. The heyoka does so precisely to push the fold of accepted reality, to sound the wake up call.

The heyoka is a wayshower.

According to Oglala Sioux Elder Looks-For-Buffalo, "The Heyoka is the counterpart to the Thunder Beings who repeatedly dissolve the existing order, and fashions a new arrangement from the pieces."

Not all heyokas are indigenous peoples; many are living here among modern society. Perhaps you are one?

Modern day heyokas are charged to live as witnesses against the corruption of the Fourth World, and to assist the shift into the Fifth, as planetary midwives. If you see yourself in this role, recognize who you are and why you have come here at this time. Take your power, and walk your talk now, because time is of the essence.

The hallmark of the Fifth World is the positive life giving Feminine
energy expressed in love and nurturance, cooperation and assistance, harmony and balance, giving and receiving. It is the absolute balance of both the female and male. It honors the gifts of spirit, and psychic vision; it is one of confidence in a new way without fear, aggression or dominance.

It is the planetary midwives who, in raising their own consciousness, will raise the consciousness of the whole. In so doing, a planetary healing takes place, a birthing begins, a restoration of the soul in enacted, a New World harmoniously unfolds.

(*Prophecies from different traditions have divergent theories on which era we are entering at this time. Native American's believe we are now entering the fifth WORLD. And the Mayans and Aztecs are counting SUN'S; from the solar perspective we are entering the sixth SUN. Since the North American natives are counting earth worlds we are now in the "fifth earth world," and the "sixth sun." According to prophecy, we fully entered the
"fifth world" on July 11,1991 during the great solar eclipse of
Teztcatlipoca, known as the smoking mirror.



* * * * *

The Ninth and Last Sign of the Hopi

You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash.It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease. These are the Signs that great destruction is here: The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle people in other lands -- those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as the white man
has made in the deserts not far from here. Those who stay and live in the places of the Hopi shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon, very soon afterward, Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in our hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World.

We're The Ones We've Been Waiting For!

"There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift that
there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are being torn apart and will suffer greatly. Know the river has its destination. The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water.

And I say, see who is in there with you and celebrate!

At this time in history, we are to take nothing personal. Least of all, ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a halt. The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves! Banish the word "struggle" from your attitude and your vocabulary. All that we do now MUST be done in a sacred manner and in celebration."

We are the Ones we've been waiting for!

* * * * *
NASA Listening To Native Elders

The Nome Eskimo elder lamented that nowadays his homeland in winter is too warm for the life system to sustain itself-only 20 degrees below zero instead of 70 below. His people have learned to live in balance with the ice and cold. But now the Bering Strait is sick. Sea ice is forming later, affecting the animals who breed on it. The sea pups aren't ready to leave when the ice melts, so they die or are abandoned. The hunters say the walrus are skinny, and they have to hunt farther into the tundra because the
caribou know the thin ice won't sustain their weight. In the old days, the elders in Alaska could forecast the weather by watching the stars. But now, says one Siberian Yupek elder, "The Earth is so fast now. We can't predict the weather anymore."

Many native prophesies warned of a time when the people would be confused, and the old and the young would die first. The prophesies said the trees would die from the tops down and the world would be in danger.

Using "eyes" from space, NASA officials have seen that the elders are right. Its officials conclude that the "Earth is a living system that is distressed." So now, NASA has turned to native elders for counsel as it examines the effect of climate change on the U.S. population, environment and economy. NASA brought together a gathering of several hundred elders for a five-day climate-change workshop in Albuquerque, N.M., last fall. NASA is seeking to merge the knowing and wisdom of people who understand the
responsibilities that humans have to the Earth with the knowledge of non-native scientists.

The elders who attended the conference, called the Circle of Wisdom Native Peoples/Native Homelands Climate Change Workshop, stated: "It is this spiritual connection to Mother Earth, Father Sky and all Creation that is lacking in the rest of the world. . . . We call upon the people of the world to hold your leaders accountable."

According to documents issued by the workshop, temperatures will become warmer in the Northern Hemisphere by 5 to 15 degrees Fahrenheit within the next 20 years. The primary source of human-induced climate change is the burning of oil, gas and coal. The melting of sea ice "affects the exchange of energy continuously taking place on the Earth's surface," according to
NASA. While it might seem a distant problem to many people in the United States, all life is interconnected.

We have long said that native prophesies are misunderstood. They not only are spiritual visions, but often also come from a life-science observation of the natural world. When people understand that they are not separate from the natural world, they will seek to honor and understand it.
This is why Chief Joseph said long ago that the Earth was part of his body and they were of one "mind."

Native people traditionally have understood that the Earth and universe have a mind and a spirit, a cosmic intelligence that responds to us, to our intentions. "Earth is a living mother, an organism. I know none of us would think of abusing our birth mother. She is a spiritual woman . . . that gives life. Through our ceremonies, we honor her life-giving power so that she can
continue to nourish us," says Cheyenne elder Henrietta Mann.

When people no longer live and learn from the land, their disconnection to it leads to the abuse of Mother Earth. Along with the land, native people's traditions die: their food, their ceremonies, medicinal plants, their fibers for making sacred baskets. And much of it has been through the greed of market economies and the perversions of science and technology that
have claimed or contaminated the land, particularly native lands, through deforestation, pesticides, industrial waste, radioactive poisoning and mining. "What good is an economic system if our children die anyway?" asked a Kanaka Maoli elder from Hawaii. A nearby flip-chart read, "There is no post-environment economy."

There are myriad things to be done, including requiring companies to factor the environmental impact of their projects into their businesses, and demanding that all public projects invest in clean and renewable forms of energy. But most of all, we must begin to value life in all its manifestations.

Corbin Harney, a Shoshone elder, says the spirits of the land and the ancestors are waiting for people to recognize their responsibility to Mother Earth. "They want to hear us pray so that they can work with us, so everything can heal."

Your assistance is needed.

Please consider making a donation to support this site. In the ancient Andean spirit of "ayni," sharing and riciprocity, I thank you.
Kathy Doore
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The hallmark of the Fifth World is the positive life giving Feminine energy expressed in love and nurturance, cooperation and assistance, harmony and balance, giving and receiving. It is the absolute balance of both the female and male. It honors the gifts of spirit, and psychic vision; it is one of confidence in a new way without fear, aggression or dominance.


I Love that. :)
And this prophecy is written (in my own words) in other threads like "The Chackras and the Dimensions of Spiritual Evolution" and that other one about the future of the human being... :)

Freaky... :eek::bugeye:

Love,
Nelson

very interesting thread.. I have read some of it and have to get to the store but I will read more as Native Americans have never used the Great spirit in a selfish way. Even in the wars of 1700 and 1800 they respected the Europeans as part of God's creation even though the Europeans thought they were heathens. That fact has had an everlasting impression on my life.

I received this one in my e-mail:


News from Whitley Strieber



We do not normally send this newsletter out more than once in two weeks, but one of its purposes is to attempt to give 'heads up' warning of things to come, and there are two situations that seem to call for that now.

One: The Mideast Situation

Everyone is aware that the situation in the Mideast is tense. However, something happened yesterday that may mean that the Arab countries are considering open war with Israel, and this event has gotten lost down the cracks of the media, which is concentrating on more lurid aspects of the problem. This is that Jordan, the most moderate of Arab states, called the Israeli ambassador to their foreign ministry and warned that they
would be taking "further measures" if the Israelis did not leave
Palestinian areas. A few hours later, Israeli troops entered another Palestinian town.

Further measures may only mean the closing of the Israeli embassy. But this may also be a signal that military action on the part of more radical Arab states will not be opposed by Jordan. This situation is a box of dynamite with the fuse lit.

Saturday Night's Dreamland Mideast Shocker

On Saturday night, we had an exceptional interview with William Henry about his new book, Ark of the Christos. In the last half hour of this interview he delivered an absolutely extraordinary statement from the book about the hidden Bibilical reasons that the US is so concerned about Saddam Hussein. You can listen on our Internet radio station. This part of the interview begins at 143:51 in the archived program. For simple instructions about how to navigate in our on-line programs, please see the bottom of our Internet radio station's webpage.If you are unable to
connect immediately, please be patient. This means that the archive is being heavily accessed. To reach our station, go to
http://www.unknowncountry.com and click on the green "Listen Now" button under the word "Dreamland" on the right hand side of the masthead.

Two: The Earthquake Situation

In our last newsletter, we warned that the eastern half of the Pacific 'Ring of Fire' appeared to be experiencing an earthquake cluster, with 32 major quakes being reported in the past three months. The next day, a quake registering 6.8 on the Richter scale struck Taiwan with extensive damage and some losss of life.

Unfortunately, science knows little about earthquake clusters, or even whether or not groups of quakes like this are related. It would seem that they must be, but the mechanism is unknown. We feel that readers resident on the West Coast of the US, as well as those in Asia, should be aware of this unusual level of tectonic instability, and review community and personal preparedness plans at this time.

Whitley's Easter Journal

Whitley Strieber has created a beautiful Easter journal entry about his intense personal struggle with his religious faith in a time when world peace is being threatened by religious fanatics, and his own Catholic church is plagued by a scandal that is deeply rooted in the flawed nature of the institution itself. Find out where these issues take a man of faith. His conclusions are sure to surprise you.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal

Unknowncountry.com News Stories

Two remarkable stories today. The stories about George W. Bush and T-Rex are not to be missed. Go to Unknowncountry.com to read these stunning scoops. http://www.unknowncountry.com


Love,
Nelson

“From outside of time, man’s effort to know God appears as a single form, a work of art that has evolved across history. You have created it in three phases. The first is negative, the age of sacrifice. This is why the old testament God is so terrible. The moment that God tells Abraham not to kill Isaac is a record of one of the most sacred of all human moments, for it sets the stage for the next age. The second age is positive, the age of worship. This is why the God of the new testament is full of compassion. Your present age is when man and God become one. You find in yourself Christ, Buddha, Allah, Krisna. In this age, the elemental body has evolved to the point that it has the potential to reflect divine ecstasy. It is happening already, in the secret lives of your own children. I am here to bring you a promise from on high: if you surrender yourselves to God, you and the earth will be saved. Otherwise, you will be extinct before the end of the age.”

From: http://www.unknowncountry.com/

Love,
Nelson

I received this e-mail today. It talks about ice melting in Antartica, Earth Changes, Planet X (Noburu or whatever)... everything...


PLEASE NOTE: There is an astrological interpretation in here of the date of April 13th for the Light Grid Activation. Very powerful! But the time is incorrect as it is listed as standard
pacific time, when it should be daylight savings time. The Light Grid Activation time given in the Vision DOES INCLUDE the fact that we will be in daylight savings time. The Source is
perfect in it's information . Times are 3:00PM Daylight Savings Time for the US Central Time ie Chicago/Houston, 4:00PM Daylight Savings Time for the US Eastern Time ie New York/Atlanta, 2:00 PM Daylight Savings Time for the US Mountain Time ie Denver, 1:00 PM Daylight Savings Time for the US Pacific Time ie Los Angeles/Seattle for the continental US. Thanks so much. The Vision showed the sychronization of exact time was very important to activate the grid. The following has some very interesting information for your discernment.
Blessings to All!
All My Relations in Love and Golden Light,
Turtle Woman
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PLANET ALERT
April 2002
By Mahala

The emotional energy of Pisces has been in effect since
mid-February. First the planet Venus went through that sign, then the Sun, and now Mercury is in Pisces until the full moon of March 28, 2002. Neptune rules Pisces and that planet rules water, fog, ships, chemicals, drugs, alcohol, addictions, abusive situations, diseases, infections, foresight, flexibility, fountains, idealism, healing, magnets, mediumship, pineal gland, rejuvenation, dancing, and cosmic consciousness.
This is the type of energy we have been dealing with since
February. During that time period many people were looking at their issues, going within, and hibernating. In April we will be moving into the Aries energy, which is fiery and active. Pisces is female emotional energy, and Aries is male action energy. It’s time to take action.
The planet Venus will move into Taurus on April 1, which means
we will start feeling the energy of that sign. Taurus rules money, and with Venus in this sign, it looks like money issues will start to improve. The full moon of April 27 finds Venus making an aspect to Uranus, which is the planet of change and surprises, so look for some unexpected energy around money issues during that time period.
Mars is also moving through the sign of Taurus.
It lines up with the Sun Alcyone at the time of the new moon on April 12. I hear the Crystal Grid will be activated on April 13 at 1:00 PM PST. It’s definitely a good day for this activation. There will be four planets in Taurus at that time - they are Mercury, Venus, Mars and the moon. At that time Mars will also be making a ninety degree angle to Uranus. This is a very powerful aspect and could also cause Earth changes.
The meaning of the degree in Taurus, that will be activated on April 13, is one that means humanity has the capacity to rise in consciousness and feelings above biological limitations. Let’s take advantage of this degree and activate the crystal grid. Picture this grid as strings connected like a spider web all over the world. Then picture the golden light coming in from Alcyone and activating this grid on Earth. Everyone will be at the right place at the right time to act as conduits for this light.
The exact placement of Mars conjunct Alcyone is right over the Pacific Northwest (where I am!! :);)). This means the golden light from Alcyone will first activate the violet grid located off Vancouver Island, B.C.- then the energy will travel around the world. It’s very important to activate this grid so more people can wake up and become aware of what is transpiring around
them. Many people will be amazed by how much control there is in the world. Once they wake up they will realize they are great beings of light, and will choose freedom over being controlled.
On April 13, the planet Uranus will be on the degree of a
butterfly emerging from a chrysalis. This means we have the capacity to utterly transform the character of our consciousness by radically altering the structural patterns of everyday living and the types of relationships we enter into. This is another good reason to activate the grid. Uranus first touches this particular degree in April and stays there until it retrogrades in June. In February of 2003 it will reach this degree again, so if you miss this opportunity to transform your consciousness you will have another opportunity next year.
Uranus is the planet of change. It is electrical in nature and
rules light, or enlightenment. It is considered the great awakener and is very rebellious by nature. When it moved through the sign of Capricorn, it transformed governments by revolutions. Capricorn rules governments, and Uranus rules rebellion. Look at the Berlin Wall - who would have ever thought that wall would come down and that Russia would fall apart. Then there were revolutions in the Balkan countries during that time period.
There was much violence, death, and starvation in many countries.
Uranus moved into Aquarius in April of 1995 for a few months. Then it retrograded back into Capricorn, and in January of 1996 it went into Aquarius to stay for seven years until 2003. This started the computer revolution because that is one of the things Uranus rules. Look at how the Internet has grown and expanded in the last couple of years. We are now connected to a World Wide Web, and through this Web has come much information. Uranus rules High Tech, and when Saturn was in Taurus (the sign that rules money) making a ninety degree angle to Uranus, the bottom dropped out of the NASDAQ market.
Soon Uranus will move into Pisces. In fact it will be in that
sign by March of 2003. This is when there will be a tremendous revolution in consciousness. Many will start experiencing cosmic consciousness on a regular basis. Pisces is a water and emotional sign. When Uranus moves through this sign from 2003-2010, there will be many changes on Earth concerning water. I think this will be the time to stay away from the coastal areas because the ice sheets of the Arctic, and the Antarctic, have already started to melt.
I would like to quote from Zecharia Sitchin’s book The 12th Planet . He says: “ One endeavor to unravel the puzzle of the Deluge, then, focuses on Earth’s climatic changes, and in particular the abrupt collapse of the ice age some 13,000 years ago. What could have caused a sudden climatic change of such magnitude? Of the many theories advanced by the scientists, we are intrigued by the one suggested by Dr. John T. Hollin of the University of Maine. He contended that the Antarctic ice sheet
periodically breaks loose and slips into the sea, creating an abrupt and enormous tidal wave!
This hypothesis-accepted and elaborated upon by others-suggests that as the ice sheet grew thicker and thicker, it not only trapped more of Earth’s heat beneath the ice sheet but also created (by pressure and friction) a slushy, slippery layer at its bottom. Acting as a lubricant between the thick ice sheet above and the solid Earth below, this slushy layer sooner or later caused the ice sheet to slide into the surrounding ocean.<