few of what i found


The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}

The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}.

The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}.

In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 5:31-32}.

In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men
do{Numbers 27:1-11}

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}

One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life with the man who Raped You.

The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, (for those who look at Hijab as thing that oppresses women in Islam)


what do you think?

The Bible says a lot fo things. It was religious custom of the people at the time. It might not be now. The Bible also says that people caught stealing should be executed. Ahould christians kill thiefs?

Girls only have value as they are virgins. A girl who gives up her virginity becomes a complete loss, or of as little price as a Whore House would pay for her.

So there were laws designed to protect the Price of a Virgin. They call the deflowering of a Virgin a "rape" but only in the sense that it involved sexual relations without a Marriage Purchase Agreement with her father. When apprehended the 'seducer' must pay a fine equivalent to a Dowry and must secure the girl's future with Marriage. Such a Law protects both the Girl and the Girl's Father who had property rights in his daughter.

the Scriptural reading that says that a Father is placed at a loss by having a daughter, gives recognition that the eventual 'owner' of a girl -- the Husband -- must remunerate the Father for the expenses he incurred all the while he was raising her. This Law, which acts to compensate Fathers for having daughters, does much to save the Girls, for otherwise, if Fathers were not allowed to seek remuneration, the tendency would have been to allow female infants to die in infancy, or even to have their 'noses pinched' -- to be suffocated soon after birth. We need only look at India and China where there are laws limiting the number of births, while not putting an explicit premium on female babies -- the girls are being aborted or 'pinched', in favor of sons.
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People who say that women were the original sinners are daft.

The Devil would obviously have to be the first sinner.

M*W: You are [deleted].

M*W: You are [deleted]

I was speaking in reference to the Societies and Economies of the Bible. Of course today girls have other avenues for revenues. In addition to selling themselves to the whorehouses, they can now sell themselves to the Factories.

Anyway, Medicine Woman is an example of what happens when people are insufficiently educated. Although she tosses out all criterias for a solid Morality, she is perfectly ready to Judge Ancient Societies by the Norms of a Modern Society. I try to explain that the Ancient Laws were bending over backwards to protect the interests of its girls, and these modern ignorant saucy things only have insults for me. She should go back to Grade School and see if she can learn something the next time through.

People who say that women were the original sinners are daft.

The Devil would obviously have to be the first sinner.

No one disputes that the Angelic Rebellion occurred before the Sins of Adam and Eve; however, the Sins of the Angelic Rebellion were not the First Cause of much of Humanity's Bad Karma. Yes, we can see that Eve was seduced by the Serpent as Adam was subsequently seduced by Eve. But still, obedience to God should have outweighed the interests of any temptation.

Leo:

I don't suppose too many people here are interested in your particular brand of misogyny. If you must hold such views, please keep them to yourself.

I was speaking in reference to the Societies and Economies of the Bible. Of course today girls have other avenues for revenues. In addition to selling themselves to the whorehouses, they can now sell themselves to the Factories.

Leo, there's nothing wrong with a prostitute, know the difference. Prostitute sell themselfs for profit, a whore gives it away for free.

The woman that sells herself to the factory gives her time for compensation, she's not to be a slave of men. She is a producer of values, and she values herself more than say the prostitute who gives up morality for a bit of cash. While the woman working is got pride, and self esteem, the whore and prostitute lack these. So there's no comparison.

How do you pay your bills Leo? Do you whore yourself to the church for compensation, or do you whore yourself to some factory, do you whore yourself to some company, or do you whore yourself for yourself (self-employed), if the latter is the case then you whore yourself to the consumer that may buy your services what ever they may be.

The means to sustain life, of self is no different than yours than it is to a woman. Your a male shobinist pig for making such comparison as a whore to an individual who rather work for herself.

The real whores Leo are your priests, who don't do shiet but live by the donations of the gullible such as yourself. (DIG DEEP IN YOUR POCKETS, AND REMEMBER GOD BLESSES THE GIVER, "we rather have the kind that folds than the kind that jingle) Eddie Murphy's comming to America.

In essense Leo your religious churches are the biggest whores out there, they are selling themselves daily for parishoners for the mere profit. Thus the true nature of the church live by the efforts of others!.

Godless.

Leo Volont: Anyway, Medicine Woman is an example of what happens when people are insufficiently educated.
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M*W: I'm probably more educated than you, Leo. I don't judge ancient societies, because the truth about these societies, especially the xian ones, are blurred beyond belief.
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Leo Volont: I try to explain that the Ancient Laws were bending over backwards to protect the interests of its girls, and these modern ignorant saucy things only have insults for me.
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M*W: Well, its been a couple of generations back when I was called "a saucy thing," but even though I hate your guts, I will take that as a compliment, as my grandchildren are almost grown.
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Leo Volont: She should go back to Grade School and see if she can learn something the next time through.
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M*W: What I've learned, I didn't learn in grade school. It is you who are the ignorant one.

The Bible says a lot fo things. It was religious custom of the people at the time. It might not be now. The Bible also says that people caught stealing should be executed. Ahould christians kill thiefs?

Are you saying that bible came for limited period and its rules can not bet set today?

So there were laws designed to protect the Price of a Virgin. They call the deflowering of a Virgin a "rape" but only in the sense that it involved sexual relations without a Marriage Purchase Agreement with her father. When apprehended the 'seducer' must pay a fine equivalent to a Dowry and must secure the girl's future with Marriage. Such a Law protects both the Girl and the Girl's Father who had property rights in his daughter.


what are you saying?
If beautiful women rejected an ugly man, then the ugly man rapes here next day and then he can have here? What law is that?


try to explain that the Ancient Laws were bending over backwards to protect the interests of its girls,

Are you saying that Bible is only for ancient laws? It dose not suit you societies anymore?


Yes, we can see that Eve was seduced by the Serpent as Adam was subsequently seduced by Eve.


I Quran, Eve is innocent and Adam (the man) who did the sin. He was not seduced by Eve he was seduced by Satan. Satan told him if you eat from the tree you will never die and you will be a king.

Leo:

I don't suppose too many people here are interested in your particular brand of misogyny. If you must hold such views, please keep them to yourself.

So we can speak of Religion as long as we do not make reference to Moral Behavior?

Besides, the topic of this Thread is Women. Don't threaten me for replying to it. If you don't like the direction the thread points, then pull the thread. I didn't start it. If you listen you might learn something.

Leo, there's nothing wrong with a prostitute, know the difference. Prostitute sell themselfs for profit, a whore gives it away for free.


Godless.

Actually whores and prostitutes are the same thing. 'Prostitute' is the more euphemistic, and is used as the legal term... but it means "whore".

yes, 'whore' is the word used to insult promiscuous girls who 'give it away', but it is not being used correctly, as most words used as insults are not being used with literal exactitude.

How do you pay your bills Leo? Do you whore yourself to the church for compensation, or do you whore yourself to some factory, do you whore yourself to some company, or do you whore yourself for yourself (self-employed), if the latter is the case then you whore yourself to the consumer that may buy your services what ever they may be.



Godless.

Yes. If you have been following my other threads on various topics you might have anticipated that I do not think it is entirely just that a Select Priveleged 1% of the Population can live entirely in Leisure, while the other 99% are effectively their Slaves.

I do not believe in Exploitation and will not make arguments justifying it.

What is your argument anyway, that since I work for a living, I should believe that women should be exploited for Sex. Great! And the moderators have a problem with me.

So I believe everybody in Society should share in doing the necessary work. But satisfying the sexual needs of the relatively wealthy is not what I would consider necessary work.

M*W: I'm probably more educated than you, Leo.

If you honestly consider yourself educated, then you simply do not get out enough. Just look at the dimestore second-hand propagandas you spout. Go back to school and grow a few gray hairs. In 20 years you will look back with shame that you now had called yourself 'educated'.

Oh! I neglected to finish your post. You are already old. then there is no hope for you. Irreparably silly is what you must be.

Dose bible oppresses women?
Warel, donut id awso sa dut yoo shud b noice 2 vem? I recun u shud oppruss un muderashun but nut 2 mutch.

Are you saying that bible came for limited period and its rules can not bet set today?

Legal Codes are written to deal with Legal Problems. Where the Bible is only presenting a Legal Code we cannot suppose that Divine Revelation is involved. Moses only brought the 10 Commandments down from the Mountain... all the rest of the Mosaic Laws are simply human interpretations and legalistic expansions. Well, our Doctors of the Law are at least as capable to inferencial thinking as those old Jews.

but getting the Perfect Balance in the Law is difficult, because it is not something we can very well experiment with. Personally I think all intentional and deliberate crimes of property should be Capital. Thieves SHOULD BE killed. Right now, the light penalties for theft make Crime for Profit a viable career path for many. If each thief was hung the morning after a jury of their peers found them guilty of calculated and deliberate theft, then I think that professional theft would virtually disappear from our Society.

Warel, donut id awso sa dut yoo shud b noice 2 vem? I recun u shud oppruss un muderashun but nut 2 mutch.

The Web has a tacit understanding, and it is a charitable one, that we will not bring attention to grammatical and spelling errors. does it not save us all some time not to worry about second drafts and all that editing?

As long as you understand what the point is, there is no reason to be busting their bowls.

Yes. If you have been following my other threads on various topics you might have anticipated that I do not think it is entirely just that a Select Priveleged 1% of the Population can live entirely in Leisure, while the other 99% are effectively their Slaves.

And how do you think that 1% made it Leo?. It is because of them that society has moved forward, it is because of capitalist, that we are able to communicate on this forum, capitalism provides for your welfare, a garbage man lives better today than king of anciet Egipt. Because of capitalism you can sit your ass on that chair n type absurdities on your computer. Are you envious that others are doing better than you Leo?. I'm a capitalist, I work, but at the same time I invest in the market for my future, I earn a decent living I don't consider myself a slave. I work because I choose to do so, other than gripe about others having more than I, I'm inspired that they are able to "EARN IT". Rather than ask for handouts, and fool the gullible to live off the efforts of others. Do you realise how many Church leaders are included in that 1%?. How do you supose they stole it Leo?. by taking advantage of people like yourself. Gullible, mindless mystics.

Godless.

a garbage man lives better today than king of anciet Egypt

I wouldn't go as far as to say that..

what are you saying?
If beautiful women rejected an ugly man, then the ugly man rapes here next day and then he can have here? What law is that?




That is simply not how the Society worked. You imagine that an Ugly man is given opportunities to socialize with Virginal Girls. No! Before he could touch a virginal daughter, he would be killed.

But, yes, if the Ugly man was successful in raping a virgin, one thing is certainly sure, in that Society she would no longer be eligable for Marriage. People don't like to hear it, but the truth is that such a girl would become a social outcast -- an untouchable. In that case, the Wisest Judges of the Day considered it justice for the Raper to be obligated to support the girl for the rest of his life with no chance of divorce. You could kill the guy, but then you might as well kill the girl too, because the father can not take her back live with her Virgin Sisters -- her trauma and life experience would be a poison to them. And he could not keep his woman daughter in with his own wives.

Besides, in those days Marriage was mostly a matter of purchase anyway. Daughters did not have a great deal of say in the matter.

Now that I think about it, this Law you mention might be the Foundation of the Marriage by Theft customs that have been part of Middle East Culture. If you think that the Father is asking to high a Dowry for a daughter that you have an understanding with, then you use the Marriage by Theft Law in your own favor. You just 'elope'. Elopement is considered Rape Enough. The Father afterward cannot kill his son-in-law and must respect the Marriage.

The Web has a tacit understanding, and it is a charitable one, that we will not bring attention to grammatical and spelling errors. does it not save us all some time not to worry about second drafts and all that editing?

As long as you understand what the point is, there is no reason to be busting their bowls.
Wot? y u bursting mi bawlls? :( u know wot i meen :mad: Thurrs opposed to be a takkid undatansting thet u willnut mek fun awf mi righting.

Nah, you're right. I can actually tolerate errors within a post, its when the titles are fucked up that I get annoyed because you have to read them and when you do you feel like a retard. :( This one pushed me over the edge. Atleast "women" was in the correct context I suppose, i really hate "how to impress a women?".

On topic; human beings oppressed women when the bible was written. It was just the norm so ofcourse the god they invented shared their general feelings. I don't think the character "God" out of the greatest selling novel of all time "the bible" was supposed to be a liberal from the future.

In order to appreciate the role of New Testament womanhood, one must, by way of contrast, consider the plight of ancient woman as she stood in the world in general.

In the antique Greek world, women were considered inferior to men. Aristotle viewed women as somewhere between slaves and freemen. Wives led lives of seclusion and practical slavery.

In Rome women enjoyed greater practical freedom, though not legal, than in Greece, but licentiousness was rampant. Chastity and modesty among women were virtually unknown (note Paul’s reference to female homosexuality in Romans 1:26). Wives were truly second–class persons; more honor was shown to a man’s mistress than to his wife.

Though the Jewish opinion of womanhood during the time of Christ needed considerable improvement – a male’s morning prayer expressed thanks to God that the petitioner was neither a Gentile, a slave, or a woman – such attitudes were the result of heathen influences. [no root in scripture whatsoever]

While women were somewhat legally inferior under the law of Moses, practically speaking, wives and mothers in Israel enjoyed the greatest of dignity. Mothers were to be honored (Ex. 20:12) and to rebel against, or show disrespect for one’s mother was a most serious offence which could be punished by death (Deut. 21:18ff; 27:16).

“Though the Hebrew woman was under the authority of her father and later of her husband, she enjoyed considerable freedom and was not shut up in the harem . . .Though women did not ordinarily inherit property, in a case of a sonless home the daughters might inherit (Num. 27). It was a man’s world, but Hebrew law protected woman’s person. Rape was punishable. Harlotry was forbidden” (Lewis, 425).

Edersheim pointed out that the Hebrew husband

“was bound to love and cherish his wife, to support her in comfort, to redeem her if she had been sold into slavery, and to bury her, on which occasion even the poorest was to provide at least two mourning fifes and one mourning woman. He was to treat his wife with courtesy, for her tears called down Divine vengeance” (n.d., 270)

If it be objected that the Old Testament practice of polygamy, along with its ease of divorce for men, placed women in an unfavorable status, it may be replied that such matters were tolerated in that “moonlight” dispensation due to the “hardness” of Israel’s hearts (Matt. 19:8), and were to be abolished with the introduction of the “better” system.

http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/womensRole.htm

I wouldn't go as far as to say that..

Then you know didly squat!!. A garbage man today, works for the City hence government, an average amount paid is $13ph to start + benefits, insurance, 401k plans, the works. He probably owns a car, lives or owns a home, with running water, electricity, has the comfort of owning a bed, furniture, tv, the likes of what American capitalism has been able to provide him with. If he were to get sick, his insurance and doctors have the capabilities to quickly cure him.

The king of Egypt, had servants, no running water, electricity was non-existent, there was no such thing as a mattress, no other form of entertainment, other than screwing slave women. He had to take bath in the river, if they got sick more than likely fased death constantly, did not live long, life was harsh, even for a king.

Godless

Wot? y u bursting mi bawlls? :( u know wot i meen :mad: Thurrs opposed to be a takkid undatansting thet u willnut mek fun awf mi righting.

Nah, you're right. I can actually tolerate errors within a post, its when the titles are fucked up that I get annoyed because you have to read them and when you do you feel like a retard. :( This one pushed me over the edge. Atleast "women" was in the correct context I suppose, i really hate "how to impress a women?".

On topic; human beings oppressed women when the bible was written. It was just the norm so ofcourse the god they invented shared their general feelings. I don't think the character "God" out of the greatest selling novel of all time "the bible" was supposed to be a liberal from the future.

Wow! Somebody that actually acknowledges a point. That does not happen very often.

But about the Thread. Nobody is pretending that all the Legal Codes from the Old Testament are explicitly from God. Moses only brought the Ten Commandments down from the Mountain. The Legal Codes were the expansions and amplifications upon the basic Principles of the Ten Commandments. They were respected because Moses was respected, and not because Moses lied to everybody and said that God was speaking in his ear while he was making all those legal decisions.

Oh, this brings to mind a Trick of the Prophet Mohammed. Nobody would believe a word Mohammed said unless he pretended to go into a trance and say that the Decisions he made were directly from the Mouth of God. Honestly, he once even used the trick when the question was whether the town could use more than one dog catcher. So right there in the Quaron is a passage in which we are supposed to think that God must consider the pros and cons of one Kennel or two to handle the stray pets. But there are no indications that Moses and the Hebrews were nearly that softheaded and credulous.

The king of Egypt, had servants, no running water, electricity was non-existent, there was no such thing as a mattress, no other form of entertainment, other than screwing slave women. He had to take bath in the river, if they got sick more than likely fased death constantly, did not live long, life was harsh, even for a king.

Godless

So, if you were King of Your Own World, and did not have a TV set or Computer, you think that your only entertainment would be to screw the slave girls.

I've talked to working class morons who honestly would not know what to do with leisure time. But if we look at English Literature, largely written by Leisured Authors about those of a Leisured Society, we find that there are a few occupations to take up the time of a Gentlemen. Hunting, Riding, Shooting, The Arts, Farming, Gardening, Archetecture, Religion, Politics. The Chinese had a list of 64 Arts which a Gentlemen would have to become familiar with in order to be considered Cultured. Given all the Wealth and Power a Civilization had to offer, I suppose an intelligent man could find something to interest himself with outside of the Bedroom.

Leo Volont: Anyway, Medicine Woman is an example of what happens when people are insufficiently educated.
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M*W: I'm probably more educated than you, Leo. I don't judge ancient societies, because the truth about these societies, especially the xian ones, are blurred beyond belief.
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Leo.

Leo if you would have only had 10% of education MW has, you would have been talking sense. :p Good to see you again MW.

Leo if you would have only had 10% of education MW has, you would have been talking sense. :p Good to see you again MW.


Okay, this is how Academia works -- you pay them money and they give you pieces of paper. As long as you give them money, they will give you pieces of paper.

Education never made a stupid silly person smart. Yes, exposure to an Educated Mileau should make a difference. Afterall, Ivy League College Educated People are statistically Liberal. So it must have some effect.

But how can you explain when a supposively educated person is only violently ignorant and silly. I have known educated people and she simply can't fool me as well as she must be fooling you.

Then you know didly squat!!. A garbage man today, works for the City hence government, an average amount paid is $13ph to start + benefits, insurance, 401k plans, the works. He probably owns a car, lives or owns a home, with running water, electricity, has the comfort of owning a bed, furniture, tv, the likes of what American capitalism has been able to provide him with. If he were to get sick, his insurance and doctors have the capabilities to quickly cure him.

The king of Egypt, had servants, no running water, electricity was non-existent, there was no such thing as a mattress, no other form of entertainment, other than screwing slave women. He had to take bath in the river, if they got sick more than likely fased death constantly, did not live long, life was harsh, even for a king.

Godless

Well, what you are doing then is comparing the societies of two different era and ignorantly coming to such a conclusion.

The King achieved far more than a garbage man would (not to belittle trash collectors or anything) but that's the way it is. He had far more wealth than a trash collector amasses from his job, much more security in life than a trash collector, slaves at his every whim feeding him and giving him baths and warming his bed. This is your harsh life compared to having a tv set displaying idiot programs in an apartment in a smog infested city? :rolleyes:


P.S. Electricity was not non-existent then, as it isn't now. No need to be silly about that too. Electricity has been existence since thunderstorms and before.

But, yes, if the Ugly man was successful in raping a virgin, one thing is certainly sure, in that Society she would no longer be eligable for Marriage. People don't like to hear it, but the truth is that such a girl would become a social outcast -- an untouchable. In that case, the Wisest Judges of the Day considered it justice for the Raper to be obligated to support the girl for the rest of his life with no chance of divorce. You could kill the guy, but then you might as well kill the girl too, because the father can not take her back live with her Virgin Sisters -- her trauma and life experience would be a poison to them. And he could not keep his woman daughter in with his own wives

Until now I can't understand, what the sin the raped women did to deserve all of that?

Maybe women can give me an idea if she wishes to live with man raped here of to live alone without marriage?


Now that I think about it, this Law you mention might be the Foundation of the Marriage by Theft customs that have been part of Middle East Culture. If you think that the Father is asking to high a Dowry for a daughter that you have an understanding with, then you use the Marriage by Theft Law in your own favor. You just 'elope'. Elopement is considered Rape Enough. The Father afterward cannot kill his son-in-law and must respect the Marriage.

what this? I don't get you, what do you mean? What cultures are you talking about?



Oh, this brings to mind a Trick of the Prophet Mohammed. Nobody would believe a word Mohammed said unless he pretended to go into a trance and say that the Decisions he made were directly from the Mouth of God.

A trick?
Nobody would believe him?
A trance?

I hate when few claim that they know Islam better than muslims themselves.

You can chose (lair or insane)?

You attack Prophet Muhammad so much here, what is the level of hate do you have for him?

skywalker: Leo if you would have only had 10% of education MW has, you would have been talking sense. :p Good to see you again MW.
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M*W: Thank you, skywalker! You made my day!

**Well, what you are doing then is comparing the societies of two different era and ignorantly coming to such a conclusion.

That's just an illusion when people have their head buried up their ass!!.

You've seem to not understand that the advancement of our society far provides a better life to a common folk, than a king would ever achieve by living off the efforts of others. If an ancient man broke his leg, his chanses of survival were minimal, wether he be king or not, if "our government" employee broke his leg he be taken care off, and his chance for survival is at best non-critical and easily repairable.

**So, if you were King of Your Own World, and did not have a TV set or Computer, you think that your only entertainment would be to screw the slave girls.

It's orgy time.. I only learn from leaders of our past Leo.

look (http://www.sexscrolls.net/afternoon.html)


The Bogomils and Fraticelli used to practise sexual promiscuity for the greater glory of God (though they probably enjoyed it themselves as well).

Orgies to please god (http://www.world-sex-records.com/sex-210.htm)

Godless.

Ok Godless :rolleyes:

How many Egyptian kings do you know who suffered/died from broken legs (even though they had slaves and needed not strain themselves)...

I only used the broken leg as an example moron.

An excerpt from anciet Egipt;

Ahmose I married his sister, Ahmose-Nefertiri, who became Egypt's first great God's Wife of Amun, and had a number of children including:

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Merytamun - eldest daughter of Ahmose-Nefertari (died young)
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Tair - daughter of Kasmut
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Satamun - 2nd daughter of Ahmose-Nefertari (died infant)
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Sapair - eldest son of Ahmose-Nefertari (died young)
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Saamen - 2nd son of Ahmose-Nefertari (died infant)
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Aahotep - 3rd daughter of Ahmose-Nefertari (Queen)
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Amenhotep I - 3rd son of Ahmose-Nefertari (King)
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Satkames - 4th daughter of Ahmose-Nefertari (died aged ~30)
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Henttameh- daughter of Thenthapi
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Ahmose - daughter

I'll admit, no broken legs but in todays society with our andvancement in medicine this kids belonging to the king would have survived.

Get the freaking point? Moron.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/ahmose1.htm

Godless.

§our§tar: Electricity was not non-existent then, as it isn't now. No need to be silly about that too. Electricity has been existence since thunderstorms and before.
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M*W: The Hellenic word for amber was "electron." When amber is rubbed, it attracts pieces of paper and particles to it by an unseen force or charge called "friction." The term used to describe "friction" is "electrikus" from which the term "electricity" was derived.

The "light" emanating from the Ark of the Covenant was not merely light but electricity. Other such "arks" have been discovered, so the Ark of the Covenant wasn't the ONLY ark. Interestingly, the word "Ark" comes from the word "arc" which is derived from the Latin word "arca" meaning "a chest, box or coffer." Anything hidden in this container is called "arcane" which means "enigmatic." It was dangerous for anyone to get near or touch the Ark of the Covenant lest they be felled dead.

In Moses' time and probably centuries before, there have been stories of Ark-light. In Moses' time, they imagined the arc-light to be the presence of Godf. "Electrikus" was something unexplainable at that time.

I believe the Ark of the Covenant was some type of ancient battery. Electricity has always been perceived as a manifestation of a god associated with mountains! Even the ancient biblical name of God, "El", means "lofty one" and "bright, shining being." All the terms "electricity," "electron," and "electrikus," stem from the words meaning "gods," or "light beings." Therefore, when I use the term I have coined as "the One Spirit of God," I am referring to the life force within humanity called "electricity." Our bodies have what are called "electrolytes." From http://www.thechemistrycoach.com/, the definition of "electrolytes" is:

"Electrolytes are compounds that ionize in water to produce aqueous solutions that conduct an electric current. Nonelectrolytes are substances that do not ionize, remain as molecules, and do not conduct an electric current.
Strength: Strong electrolytes are molecules that ionize 100% (or nearly so) and conduct an electric current well. Weak electrolytes barely or partially ionize; most molecules remaining un-ionized, and conduct an electric current poorly."

It is also a fact that every atom, every entity, has an electro-magnetic force-field around it. Therefore, all power resides with us -- the human race. The "spirit" that flows through humanity, and essentially, through all of creation, is simply electricity. The source of all electricity is the sun, "Helios." Electricity, the "El," "Eloh," and "Elohim," is what the ancients perceived God to be. Nothing more. They "feared" this "light being" because it could strike them dead on the spot! Electricity is the positive force of energy that created us, and when the electric currents leave our bodies, we are no longer able to maintain our physical existence.

Although I've simplified it, God can be explained by science. This website explains God in modern terms:

http://www.spiritualchicks.com/Article_Want_to_Know_God.htm

The One Spirit of God dwells within all humanity. We are the Ark of God.

@ Godless

It always amuses me when you resort to name calling as a defense for your argument. All I did was point out that you were exaggerating your point.

Godless: I only used the broken leg as an example moron.

Ahmose I married his sister, Ahmose-Nefertiri, who became Egypt's first great God's Wife of Amun, and had a number of children including..."
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M*W: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Ahmose Moses? I believe I've read that somewhere. It was quite common for brothers to marry their sisters in ancient Egypt. There's a whole list of them!

To: SourStar: Regarding the broken legs of Egyptian Pharaohs, just because there is no mention in the bible doesn't mean Egyptian royalty never suffered a broken leg!
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Godless: I'll admit, no broken legs but in todays society with our andvancement in medicine this kids belonging to the king would have survived.

Get the freaking point? Moron.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/ahmose1.htm
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M*W: Remember when Clinton fell down at a party with his Hollywood buddies and crushed his kneecap? I call it drunken stupor.

Remember when Bush was said to have been watching a football game and "choked on a pretzel" and fell down and gashed his head? Another drunken stupor!

There are few reasons that Vern has not been banned. I would like to list here what I think some might be.
1 - He is so outrageous that no person can take anything he says seriously.
2 - Give him a few minutes and he will undermine his own statements
3 - He is an easy win. (the same reason the Montreal still has a baseball team) If you're feeling down just find a Vern statement and destroy it. A day old ham sandwich is harder to debate.
4 - He posts too much. If there was no Vern than threads would die sooner. Often some of the best discussions are on his threads. He, of course, is not involved in the genius gab.

Thank you Vern so filling your niche so well. Just try no to fill your @ss with your head so much and have and happy birthday.

M.W. - I thought you had sworn off Vern forever.

b0urgeoisie: M.W. - I thought you had sworn off Vern forever.
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M*W: Yes, b0urgeoisie, I did swear off Vern forever, but I realized I'd become addicted to the creative challenge he'd given me to express myself! As with Vern, there is a fine line between comedy and tragedy.

hear hear on that .
I only view is thread's, for the comedy element.

WOMEN & SAUL/ST.PAUL

WOMEN ---> Jesus' radical treatment towards women were revolutionary as written in John 4:7-26. He refused to follow the behavioral rules established by the three major Jewish religious groups, Essenes, Pharisees and Sadducees of the day, who restricted women to roles of little or no authority, and also were considered to be inferior and under the authority of men.

Saul/St.Paul said, "I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not: After the Damascus road event Saul cried out, "I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee.-( Acts 23:6 ). Here what Jesus said about the Pharisee, "Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.(John 8:44).

Here are some of Saul's commendments for women that christian fundamentalists believe to be the Word of God:

"---women adorn themselves in modest apparrel, with shamefaceness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold or prearls, or costly array;"

"---train the younger women---to be subject to their husbands."( Titus 2:4 )

--- "WIVES, submitt yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the chruch:"-(Eph. 5:22-23)

"---women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says, If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."( 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 )

--- "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over man, but to be in slience." --- " ---but woman being deceived was in the transgression. Not withstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." (1 Tim. 2:11-15)
"---Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and the head of Christ is God."( 1 Corinthians 11:3 )

Because of these kind of doctrines, women have been enslaved , imprisoned, disgraced and made silent if at all possible by their fathers, husbands, and brothers, and the religious community. For the women that did not believe and accept these doctrines of Saul's Lord (the Devil), the punishments that many women have suffered were to wicked to mention. The History on how women were and are treated in the religious world was and is an abomination. In recent years, as in the twentith century, women have been rebeling against the words of Saul's Christ, without even recognizing that Saul's testimony is of the Devil who claimed to be The Jesus of Nazareth. No wonder so many cruse Jesus' name.

All these written commandments for women, from Saul the Pharisee, are not in agreement with Jesus' words and examples. It's important to know how Jesus treated women. Women that were treated as outcast by the mainstream, Jesus demonstrated both tender compassion and insight. Jesus was also approachable by those that were considered the lowest of the low, or the rejects by the status quo. In the four gospels, there are many examples of how Jesus treated women. One good example is about the woman of Samaria ---> ( John 4:6-26 ).

On behave of my God, Jesus the Alpha and Omega I say to the women of the world, Saul's Lord Jesus Christ is the The Beast, and Saul/St.Paul is the greastest of false prophet who has deceived the christian world.. My God, Jesus the Alpha and Omega will soon reveal this to be TRUE.

Peace be with you, Paul