I dont want to hear any complaint when the next palestinean suicide martyer tear to small pieces the jewish killers:

Israeli troops kill two Palestinian children and 65 year old woman

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3493.htm

So you don't want to hear any complaints eh? You think it's justified to kill more innocent people with suicide bombers. There has never been any justification to kill innocent civilians, they are the victims caught up in all this war and propoganda. If the bombers want to make an impact on this world then target the individuals who wage war and instigate terrorism. We all know who these people are.....in the east and the west.

There is a little town in Egypt by the name of Sayeed, located in southern Egypt that suffers from a problem that is similar to the Israeli Palestenian conflict. In Sayeed, people don't believe in police or order, although one could be made availalbe. They think that the people have the right to retaliate againest anyone who they think have done them harm. Due to that, they are trapped in a cycle of violence that never ends. Group A kills one of the sons in Group B in retaliation for yesterday killing, then Group B turns around and kill a member of Group A to retaliate. Tons of youth are dead, but people are so strong headed and won't let go of their vengance.

Have the situation between the arabs and Palestenians become one of vengence, where any type of harm inflicted on the other is percieved as a win.....I think the answer is yes, and because of that, suicide bombers are used and supported by the Palestenians. Because they provide the palestenian people with vengence satisfaction and phsycological comfort that is not healthy for any soul. Yet, the suicide bombers are achieving nothing when it come to helping the case or paving the road to a case closure. This visious cycle of violence can go for decades, and anyone promoting violence on either side is standing againest peace..that be the Israeli that demolish houses from the tank or the Palestenian kid throwing a small rock at a fence. Both sides are spinning the wheel of violence in their own way.

You think it's justified to kill more innocent people with suicide bombers. There has never been any justification to kill innocent civilians, they are the victims caught up in all this war and propoganda.


And how are they innocent civillians ? All Israeli Jews (xcept for orthodox who dont accept Israel or Arab in israel) are part of the military , are we to let them have a time out ?

Besides that , they are supporters of their regime , their regime is NOTHING without them , besides that they are colonists .

They arent cought up in this war , they came in 48 and started war on civillians who lived there in peace , and it hasnt ended untill this very day .

The only innocents are the children who have no possibility to be active in society as responsibles .


target the individuals who wage war and instigate terrorism


lol , oh man this attitude is so damn ridiculous , its a state , an organization , a people that are at conflict , not just some individuals , Israel isnt an individual , Sharon isnt the only responsible , its all those people who voted for him , all those people who fight for him .


Yet, the suicide bombers are achieving nothing when it come to helping the case or paving the road to a case closure.


I agree Hef , merely retaliation is useless . But case closure through war (victory) means risks , and I dont think they are willing to take such . Israel has beated every-other nation that has attacked it , I dont think the Hamas-Islamic Jihad alliance is that much more effective , I do think its possible I dont think they will actualize their possibilites if they would act .

Flores,

Yet, the suicide bombers are achieving nothing when it come to helping the case or paving the road to a case closure.

Tell me, what are the Palestinians supposed to do? They don't have a military that can fight the IDF.

The only reason that there is a roadmap in the Middle East is because of the Palestinian terrorists. If the Palestinians were pacifists, what would Israel gain by giving their land back to them?

In order for there to be an agreement, both sides must have something to bargain with. If Palestinians stop all terrorist attacks then there is no reason for an agreement.

For example, if I occupied your house, and you didn't fight back, would I have any reason to leave?

The only reason that there is a roadmap in the Middle East is because of the Palestinian terrorists. If the Palestinians were pacifists, what would Israel gain by giving their land back to them?


I must agree there is SOME effect , but lets face it , its not like land is going to be given back ..... They simply will be left alone where they are right now (thats max what Israel will do) , its not like that much is achieved , but indeed , without any activity it would be done for and nothing would be achieved at all .

Originally posted by Prosoothus
Flores,
Tell me, what are the Palestinians supposed to do? They don't have a military that can fight the IDF.

Maybe they don't have to fight the IDF. There goal is make the IDF take snoozes and go obselete, not give them a purpose. If I were them I would explore all options that completely avoids fighting or even provoking the IDF. They should think about modern ways of tricking the Israelis infront of the world.

Originally posted by Prosoothus
The only reason that there is a roadmap in the Middle East is because of the Palestinian terrorists. If the Palestinians were pacifists, what would Israel gain by giving their land back to them?

The Palestenian are not terrorists, please don't say that. They are victims who are responding in the wrong way and thus appearing as the bad bunch. If a man killed the raper and murderer of his daughter, he still goes to jail for the rest of his life.
Noone said Palestenians should be pacifists, but action and voilence are not the same thing. The first thing the Palestenian have to do is to hold white flags, then embarass the Israelis by showing their little boys in dirty camps holding flags of Islam and Judiasm embrassing, crap like that to make the world tear up.

Originally posted by Prosoothus
In order for there to be an agreement, both sides must have something to bargain with. If Palestinians stop all terrorist attacks then there is no reason for an agreement.
For example, if I occupied your house, and you didn't fight back, would I have any reason to leave?

Palestenians have been holding their grounds and much more without suicide bombers. They have lost a lot since the suicide bombers start. The sheer mass of having 2 million refuges is enough for bargaining. The Palestenians should be making more babies to help their case, not sending their children in bomb suits.......Agravating Israel will kill all potential bargaining.

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
And how are they innocent civillians ?
Headlines "Israeli troops kill two Palestinian children and 65 year old woman"
Please explain the military value of these victims.

All Israeli Jews (xcept for orthodox who dont accept Israel or Arab in israel) are part of the military , are we to let them have a time out ?
ALL Isreali Jews are part of the military????
This is a sweeping statement.
Prove it.

Besides that , they are supporters of their regime , their regime is NOTHING without them , besides that they are colonists.

Besides this...besides that blah blah... Seems to me you are quick to point a finger but not so quick to as to support a peaceful solution. Any ideas...

They arent cought up in this war , they came in 48 and started war on civillians who lived there in peace , and it hasnt ended untill this very day .
You think the same people living today are the same people from 48, I doubt it.
Tell me, who ACTUALLY started the war? and were they civilians or military? Were the reasons political or was it a civil war? Tell me who you blame.

The only innocents are the children who have no possibility to be active in society as responsibles.
And its these innocents which are been slaughtered.


lol , oh man this attitude is so damn ridiculous , its a state , an organization , a people that are at conflict , not just some individuals , Israel isnt an individual , Sharon isnt the only responsible , its all those people who voted for him , all those people who fight for him .
You find the situation funny eh, what a stupid statement "Isreal isn't an individual". I think we know this.
Sharon is personally responsible... along with all the all the other world leaders who wage war and terrorism, they "represent" the people of their country. I use the term "represent very loosely. The majority of people of America were not in favour of war with Iraq, but Bush went ahead, this is not a representation of the peoples wishes.

They should think about modern ways of tricking the Israelis infront of the world.


Thats just plain naive hef , when does it hit that lovely head of yours that nobody cares about truth ?


The first thing the Palestenian have to do is to hold white flags, then embarass the Israelis by showing their little boys in dirty camps holding flags of Islam and Judiasm embrassing, crap like that to make the world tear up.


Are you serious ? And then what ? Why not just become buddhist anjhd go for inner peace instead of outer ...... havent u noticed Tibet ? They wave flags of peace all day nobody can give one lousy crap weither they are all just executed today or tomorrow .


They have lost a lot since the suicide bombers start.


What did they loose ? They were chased out in 48 , there's no loss bigger than that .

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
Thats just plain naive hef , when does it hit that lovely head of yours that nobody cares about truth ?
How come when Saddat did the undoable, and went solo to Israel infront of the whole world, peace started emerging even after we lost 1/3 of Egypt to Israel. I think if I was a leader and I said that I want to talk to Sharon as the head of Israeli nation about peace with the Palestenians, about being sincere, and stopping the double faced, he'll sit down with me.

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
Are you serious ? And then what ? Why not just become buddhist anjhd go for inner peace instead of outer ...... havent u noticed Tibet ? They wave flags of peace all day nobody can give one lousy crap weither they are all just executed today or tomorrow .

Maybe those ideas don't rythem with UBL, but every time that I have seen a religious embrassment, good things came out of it. Islam and Christianity, ect. We have never had a real embrass of Islam and Judiasm, why not, we are so close in ideology. You are not right about Tibet and it is certainly not a valid comparison.

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
What did they loose ? They were chased out in 48 , there's no loss bigger than that .
I think your history is very distorted. Palestenians were not chased out of Israel. They left due to advise from arabic nations to leave and wage war in 1948. If they stayed and didn't wage 1948 war, they would have easily outnumbered the Israelis by 10 to 1 and had the whole land to themselves.

By the way, the palesternian have lost a lot since Intefada. My babysitter is Palestenian, they used to go home every year and bring pictures and stories and stuff. They haven't went back in two years because of the situation and their family house was demolished. The kids used to speak of the lemon and olive trees on their yard, and playing with their cousins every year and going to the movies, none of those things longer exist....

I saw an amazing doc on despatches (channel 4) about the killing of peace workers in Rafah (see my thread "Rafah")

and it completely blew my mind. It's scandalous what's going on in Gaza. I'm deeply sympathetic to the Palastinian cause, but my views do not lie with extremeists like Hamas, yet when I saw that program...it spun me around 360 degress, and got a completely different perspective. Extreme conditions and environments have extreme affects on people. The Zionists created the hellish envvironment and conditions that drove young men to fight for their liberty, the IDF's actions made them even more desperate.
After watching that program, I thought if i was a young palastinian who has had friends, family killed by the IDF, if I had seen IDF snipers shoot and kill inocent civilians, if I had been shot at,...I'd pick up my AK47...for sure, and I'm no "terrorist" I'm just a regular guy, and those kids are too...they're just regular people, in extraordinary circumstances.


PS: pragmatically speaking, I'm sorry to say the Palatinian conflict will never be resolved, you mark my words. I'll write it down on a piece of paper, put it in an envelope then seal it. 80 years from now, that piece of paper will be true. That's just the way it is.
It's all about what in Arabic is called "Neeyah" that is INTENTION. The intention has to be there in your heart before any action can take place. The Israelis have no INTENTION of conceding anyting to the Palastinians, not land, not sovreignty, not liberty, NOTHING.
They busted their asses illeagally getting what they have right now, you think they're gonna just give it away. And do the violence will continue.
The Israelis want to get rid of that little thorn in their side that is Gaza. They've already reduced most of it to rubble. When that little shit hole has been obliterated, they will concentrate on the west bank.
"ALLAH HU AKBAR"....God is great, they say that those who have no one have Allah.
God right now is all the Pallys have, but sometimes I think even he has deserted them:(

Flores

I think your history is very distorted. Palestenians were not chased out of Israel. They left due to advise from arabic nations to leave and wage war in 1948.


Is that the reason they left indeed ? I doubt it Flores .
First can you show me reference to where it is claimed that it is Arabs who called Palestinians to leave ? I doubt that they could have , as the war wasnt started untill the very day of the decalring of the state in 48 . Before the declaring people were fleeing .

I think they rather fled because of ethnic cleansing and deportation operations . They even admit ethnic cleansing operations .

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/palestinian_refugees.htm
http://www.efreedomnews.com/News%20Archive/Israel%20Palestine/Israel-Palestine%20Main%20Pages/Israel-Palestinian%20Conflict%201948-2000.htm
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/index.htm

And this is want zionists have to say :
http://www.israelactivism.com/factsheets/refugee_issue.asp
http://zionsake.tripod.com/pal-refugees.htm


They haven't went back in two years because of the situation and their family house was demolished.


What house , a camp-house ?


How come when Saddat did the undoable, and went solo to Israel infront of the whole world, peace started emerging even after we lost 1/3 of Egypt to Israel.


I know to little of that to make a serious judgement , I do know that politics dont work like this :

I think if I was a leader and I said that I want to talk to Sharon as the head of Israeli nation about peace with the Palestenians, about being sincere, and stopping the double faced, he'll sit down with me.


Maybe those ideas don't rythem with UBL, but every time that I have seen a religious embrassment, good things came out of it. Islam and Christianity, ect. We have never had a real embrass of Islam and Judiasm, why not, we are so close in ideology.


Maybe it wont work because a solution (just like the conflict itself) has little to do with religion ? Religion is brought in as a motivator and divider , if u cant see past that ..........


You are not right about Tibet and it is certainly not a valid comparison.


It is very valid as far as the war-peace comparing goes , they are both under oppression of a hostile force , and the conbsequences of such an approach is valid for the Palestinian case . Or do you think the zionists will just say o here you go and have a falafel ?

buhd

I'm sorry to say the Palatinian conflict will never be resolved


It will merely evolve into another conflict ........


God right now is all the Pallys have, but sometimes I think even he has deserted them


As long as they have food and dont belong to the 35.000 starving every day , they will have Jihad to fight . As long as they fight Jihad Allah is with them .

(and to the Islamophobic misunderstanders no im not talking about suicide-bombings)


,...I'd pick up my AK47


Nah ............
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020423/world2.jpg
:D
Hey Flores what does the text say (yea I know Im an illiterate fool) ?

AM: that last link in yr last post crashed my pc!!.....friggin' Zionists!!


re: the picture:
1) yeah i'd like to know whats on the side of the rocket launcher too, I'm pretty sure the dude has the Kalima on his head band.

2) GOD DAMN!....how can I reduce that pic to 40 x 40 pixels....know whatta mean....:D

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
What house , a camp-house ?

Hey Flores what does the text say (yea I know Im an illiterate fool) ?

Their 50 year old brick house in Rammallah that Grandma and Grandpa and couple of uncles with their family lived in. They had 1 acre lot planted with lemon and olive trees. The entire family moved to a sister 2 bedroom apartment in Gaza.....

I think the writing on his helmet says. Kateb Ez Eldeen, meaning The recorder of honor of religion of god. The green bandanna says La Illah Illa Allah.

I"ll answer to the rest later.

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics

Maybe it wont work because a solution (just like the conflict itself) has little to do with religion ? Religion is brought in as a motivator and divider , if u cant see past that ..........

The problem predates modern Israel by 1400 years. The Muslims have never accepted Western ideas and values.

Even their negotiated peace with the Crusaders was a tactic to buy time to regroup and relaunch their campaign to evict the infidel... which they accomplished. They will never surrender their goal of Jewish destruction because it is intimately bound up with Islam.

In other words, as long as Islam holds sway in the region, the problems will persist.

Originally posted by stu43t
The problem predates modern Israel by 1400 years. The Muslims have never accepted Western ideas and values.


And what might those ideas and values be exactly that the west is offering and the east is resisting....Christianity for all? or free education for all???:confused:

The only reason is the west is interested in the east is for three reason...
1- Use up their resources.
2- Excercise freely superiority complex over people that can't sue them back.
3- Then bill the east for the accomodations provided during their unwelcomed stay.

Now if you were the east, why the hell would you welcome the west in...I certainly don't think I like to pay to get myself a master, a slave maybe, a master, no.

Stu

The problem predates modern Israel by 1400 years.


Do you just make up these "facts" ? Modern Israel doesnt go beyond this century my friend , and if we would look at the Jewish problem in general , I would like to remind you that when the Sephardim was EXPELLED by the Inquisition , they have been welcomed with open arms by the Arab Muslims .


The Muslims have never accepted Western ideas and values.


What western values ? The values of capitalism ? Please lets not forget that if it wasnt for the Arabs the entire root of Western civilization , Greece , wouldnt even be known . And please lets not forget the Greeks have been influenced extremely by the Arabians and Kemetians fro Babylon and ancient Egypt .


Even their negotiated peace with the Crusaders was a tactic to buy time to regroup and relaunch their campaign to evict the infidel... which they accomplished.


Are you seriously comparing Islam here with the crusades and coming up with this ? http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/1543-Luther-JewsandLies-full.html


They will never surrender their goal of Jewish destruction because it is intimately bound up with Islam.


What a bunch of bullshit , its the Europeans with their endlosung , nobody cared untill Hitler started demanding Euro-land , and all ofasudden Islam wants the Jewish destruction ? You have been forgiven in trade for alliance against Arabia , you have not been forgiven because you were such nice peoples' ....


In other words, as long as Islam holds sway in the region, the problems will persist.


As long as western Imperialism holds sway in the region , the problems will persist . Only a fool and a guilted would blame matters on relgion .

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
You have been forgiven in trade for alliance against Arabia , you have not been forgiven because you were such nice peoples' ....
Oh yeah, forgiven and not forgiven by WHOM.

And who shall we give thanks to "Oh Great One", please tell.

Only a fool and a guilted would blame matters on relgion .
Remember that next time when you blame Christians or Jews for anything, wouldn't want to be an hypocrite now would we.
Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
Religion is brought in as a motivator

Religion is brought in to motivate what??

they will have Jihad to fight . As long as they fight Jihad Allah is with them .

Can u define "Jihad" and explain "Jihad Allah"

Oh yeah, forgiven and not forgiven by WHOM.
And who shall we give thanks to "Oh Great One", please tell.


The Ashkenazim and Sephardim peoples of Europe


Remember that next time when you blame Christianity for anything, wouldn't want to be an hypocrite now would we.


Im not blaming Christianity Im blaming Christian peoples who have used their religion to translate their greed and superiority-complexes into murdering and raping entire continents of peoples .

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
Im not blaming Christianity Im blaming Christian peoples who have used their religion to translate their greed and superiority-complexes into murdering and raping entire continents of peoples .
You are an outright arrogant hypocrite. You can't worm your way round this one fella. You say that your a Muslim who aint a believer, so include yourself in your little list of guilty ones...lol

People with your arrogance coupled with the warmongering Bushes of this world are the reason there is no peace in this world.

You are an outright arrogant hypocrite


:rolleyes:


You say that your a Muslim who aint a believer, so include yourself in your little list of guilty ones...lol


And why would that be ?


People with your arrogance coupled with the warmongering Bushes of this world are the reason there is no peace in this world.


Sure ..............blame it all on the individuals , u havent learned shit from history have you ?

PS : Thanx for having nothing to say , but complaining about my person . Get over yourself dude

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics

And why would that be ?
You support the taliban and Bin Laden, its written throughout your posts - retard

Sure ..............blame it all on the individuals , u havent learned shit from history have you ?

I have learnt lots thank you very much. I blame the individuals who incite war, jihads, terrorists and all the wankers who upset any form of peace plan.

Do you have a peace plan, or are you just hell bent on "kill the infidels"

PS : Thanx for having nothing to say , but complaining about my person . Get over yourself dude

I am OK thanks and I'd love to see peace in the world, how about you.

You support the taliban and Bin Laden, its written throughout your posts - retard


Taliban ? God your an idiot......


I have learnt lots thank you very much. I blame the individuals who incite war, jihads, terrorists and all the wankers who upset any form of peace plan.

Do you have a peace plan, or are you just hell bent on "kill the infidels"


Individuals can only incite war when they have power , the common peoples are those who provide this : Especially in todays democratic imperialism .

I have little to do with "killing infidels" since my motivation arent religious . A peaceplan for what ? Palestine ? Yes I have , and its posted one of them threads go look for it doofus .

Or do you refer to other "peace-plans" ? I have no peace-plan for Imperialism , but thats because I dont want peace with Imperialism .


I am OK thanks and I'd love to see peace in the world, how about you.


Love to see peace but what are you willing to give up for peace ?

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
Taliban ? God your an idiot......
So you think Bin Laden is a wanker.....good for you, I agree with you here.

Individuals can only incite war when they have power , the common peoples are those who provide this : Especially in todays democratic imperialism .
And Arabs

I have little to do with "killing infidels" since my motivation arent religious . A peaceplan for what ? Palestine ? Yes I have , and its posted one of them threads go look for it doofus .
I'm a looking, aint found jack shit yet. Why does that not suprise me huh?

Or do you refer to other "peace-plans" ? I have no peace-plan for Imperialism , but thats because I dont want peace with Imperialism .
You don't want peace in the world because imperialism will always exist

Love to see peace but what are you willing to give up for peace ?
Thats rich coming from an Arab ROFLMAO. What have Arabs ever done to promote peace..lol

stu:

Can u define "Jihad" and explain "Jihad Allah"

1) yes I can define Jihad, can u? (would u like me to?)

2) "jihad allah"???? read first, the quote was:

"as long as they fight jihad, Allah is with them"

a little comma makes a lot of difference.

stu:

I'm a looking, aint found jack shit yet. Why does that not suprise me huh?


look at the thread "palastinians want no peace" posted by your brother fascist avatar.

u, latboy, and that cretin jerrek shud get together

So you think Bin Laden is a wanker.....good for you, I agree with you here.


No I dont think he's a wanker I respect his Idealism , but there are many things about how his ideals translate into everyday life that I dont agree with one bit . His religious views I think are highly primitive and remind me of book-burning Christianity , I dont suppert them in any way .

Besides that I admire his Idealism (in some aspects) , my support for him doesnt depend on this . I support UBL because UBL fights Imperialism , I would even support the KKK if they would fight Imperialism ...... You see in the its not their Ideals that matter to me , but mine , and if they function in a positive way for actualizing my Ideals , I support them .


And Arabs


Aside of Lebanon there is no democracy in the Arabic countries , the peoples have no possibility in supporting or not supporting , they are opressed and dictated by brutal regimes . Happens to be those regimes are either friends or ex-friends of wonderfull USA .


I'm a looking, aint found jack shit yet. Why does that not suprise me huh?


Just because you're such a nice guy Ill help you out :


A true solution I believe would be :

1)Execution of zionazi regime and hostile supporters . (ok u can RE-LOCATE them as well)
2)Stop migration to Israel
3)Right to return for all Palestine natives .
4)Social equalization of all the non-hostile peoples inhabiting Palestine

That way you can get :

1)Creation of Democratic state of "bilingual name"
2)Right to inhabit this state peacefully for ALL (yes including the European colonists , they can become honorable citizens) peoples of Palestine .
3)Religious freedom + Linguistic freedom +Cultural freedom



You don't want peace in the world because imperialism will always exist


Thats not logical arguing my friend , not peace with Imperialism doesnt mean not wanting peace at all because Imperialism doesnt cease to exist .

Besides that , its of importance how influential Imperialism is , dont you say ? Lets say if the only empire would be I dunno ...Australia , and it has Sri Lanka as its oppressed , while the rest of the world would be free from Imperialism , I say thats a big change compared to today where 4.5 BILLION people face the oppression of Imperialism .


Thats rich coming from an Arab ROFLMAO. What have Arabs ever done to promote peace..lol


First of all what period are we speaking , past century ? Who're the Arabs then , the peoples ? They have had not anything to give in in trade for peace as they were the ones oppressed my friend , it isnt the oppressed that has to settle , it is the oppressor that has to give in wealth for peace , the Arabs have no wealth to give in ......or are you speaking of those regimes and oil states created by the west for exploitation of Arabia ? Indeed , they have done nothing to promote peace.......but they are oppressors as well , weither they are Arabs or not .

Can u define "Jihad" and explain "Jihad Allah"

Are you asking this Stu ?

Buhd

as long as they fight jihad, Allah is with them


Hey that sounds like something I would have said , what is up with it ?

Allahs Math wrote:

"A true solution I believe would be :

1)Execution of zionazi regime and hostile supporters . (ok u can RE-LOCATE them as well)
2)Stop migration to Israel
3)Right to return for all Palestine natives .
4)Social equalization of all the non-hostile peoples inhabiting Palestine

That way you can get :

1)Creation of Democratic state of "bilingual name"
2)Right to inhabit this state peacefully for ALL (yes including the European colonists , they can become honorable citizens) peoples of Palestine .
3)Religious freedom + Linguistic freedom +Cultural freedom "




ok stu??....now here's my solutution, which you should be able to find elsewhere...AND GUESS WHAT?....shock horror..it's slighltly more militant than Allahs Math soln:

That land belongs to Palastinians, even if you are a fascist neo-nazi, in your heart you know that to be true, ...oh by the way, if you came back at me with "jews have this right, that right blah blah"...then I say (as I have always done)....fine whatever right the jews have THE PALLYS HAVE 10000 THAT RIGHT...so I still win

so...back to the soln:

all the land given back to the Palastinians, it should be called Palastine, the Ashkenazim are quite welcome to become citizens, just like they are of the US.
ok?
salaam.


PS: we also discussed in depth the option of a split land deal, with completely autonomous states of israel/Palastine.
if you'd take your head outta your ass, and stop Arab bashing, and bother to read what has been said in other posts, then u might see things with a different perspective.

however, u wanna still carry on Arab bashing?...fine with me..

bring it on sukka:mad:

AND GUESS WHAT?....shock horror..it's slighltly more militant than Allahs Math soln:


Even GB's is more demanding than mine , but hey peoples are idiots and think just because I refuse oppression I dont want peace and love war and horror etc .......

All I want is Equality , only with Equality we can create the Illusions of Justice and of Freedom , and only with those peoples will be able to live in Peace .

If everyone would just start smoking :m: they would chill out into Equality and all would be fixing itself quite naturally ........

Salaam

but if the neo-nazi fascist briggade want that arab terrorist/extremist stereotype to bolster their false preconceptions fuelled by ignorance......then we can give 'em that too....eh?

no harm in a bit o' fun.

ALLAH HU AKBAR, LA-ILLAH HA ILLALLAH,


FOR STU, JERREK, AVATAR:
that means "we're coming for you, and watch out for that RPG up your ass"
:D :D :D

the ignorant will be treated as such

Masalaam

PS: they (the fascist briggade, TFB from now on) see our support for the Palastinians which is an oppression issue, they take it as an "anti jew/judaism" issue, then they cannot define what they mean by "jew" because their brain is on Fox news overload, and they can't distinuish judaism from zionism, hence in their eyes support for the Palastinians automatically equates with ANTI-SEMITISM, ARAB EXTREMISM etc... then they cannot even fully define who the "semites" are. when they take the arguement to a religious/historical level they can't hack it, because their lack of knowledge becomes apparant. The have a hard time dissacotiating Arab from muslim, hence can't comprehend arab jews. Religiously they hav eno idea what the hell they're talking about. When told of the close link between Islam/Judaism with regards to the Prophet Abraham, they don't want to listen.

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
No I dont think he's a wanker I respect his Idealism , but there are many things about how his ideals translate into everyday life that I dont agree with one bit . His religious views I think are highly primitive and remind me of book-burning Christianity , I dont suppert them in any way .

Besides that I admire his Idealism (in some aspects) , my support for him doesnt depend on this . I support UBL because UBL fights Imperialism , I would even support the KKK if they would fight Imperialism ...... You see in the its not their Ideals that matter to me , but mine , and if they function in a positive way for actualizing my Ideals , I support them .

Yup, and you praised the terror of the Twin Towers. Never mind his religious views, ALL his views are savage. Unfortunately for you Imperialism is superior to your beliefs, get over it. You clearly state what you represent (down with imperialists).

If you hate the west so much, why live here???


Can u define "Jihad" and explain "Jihad Allah"

Are you asking this Stu ?

Yes

jihad: Arabic meaning stuggle.
any struggle is a jihad. When a man struggles to put food on the table for his family,..thats jihad.
when someone battles illness,...thats jihad...ok?

Originally posted by bhudmaash
jihad: Arabic meaning stuggle.
any struggle is a jihad. When a man struggles to put food on the table for his family,..thats jihad.
when someone battles illness,...thats jihad...ok?
No it's not OK

The destruction of humans, death with nails and screws inside of human flesh is Jihad.

Airplanes full of innocent passengers crashing into a building is Jihad.

Killing a 2 yr old baby with his mother is Jihad... .

Do not try to explain Jihad as a struggle.

It is absolutely wrong: Hitler was wrong, true? Sadam is wrong? True.
Arafat is wrong? True.
Saudi oil is wrong? True.
Bin Laden is wrong? True.
USA is wrong? False!
Let's make things clear: America is against Jihad!!!

Hey Bhuddy, I see you live in England. Isn't arabland good enough for you and your bhuddy A_M. It's funny how you all come to the west to live which you hate sooooo much.....hypocrites. ROFLMAO :D

I was born and bred in England.
I have never said I was anti west, a bullshit no meaning emotional irrational phrase which the US invented and propegates

stu:

The destruction of humans, death with nails and screws inside of human flesh is Jihad.

is it? according to who?

Originally posted by bhudmaash
I was born and bred in England.
I have never said I was anti west, a bullshit no meaning emotional irrational phrase which the west invented and propegates
England has become one of the biggest trashcan of immigrants ever, you should feel more at home now than in previous years. LOL :D

why's that?
most of the immigrants are Kurds, and Albanian.
I'm neither.
FYI: they didnt just "arrive" here, they came becuase of Govt policy, u have a problem take it up with them.

Sadiqi , we shouldnt be so harsh on this kids , let them be fascists , afterall this is a discussion board and what can be more appreciated than honesty in a discussion ? I wish we had more of them in here , I wish we would have some serious neo-nazi's and national-socialists who can formulate an opinion as well , afterall ideas and opinions can never harm truth , and truth is the max what u can get from boards like these . And these kiddo's only affirm truth in their own unintentional ways .


our support for the Palastinians which is an oppression issue, they take it as an "anti jew/judaism


Yes , they cant idenify causes , I wish we would have some more who are honest and say : "i like jews better than arabs" like our buddy Avatar , it shows how causes have little to do with ant-judaism . If anybody is hating on the 700.000 Euro-Jews that came into Palestine and ethnic cleansed the place , then so be it . If anybody is hating on the IDF-Jews and their officials , then so be it . If anybody is hating on the Jews of the World Zionist Organization , then so be it . They are hated for their actions not their identity . The ADL and such have tried to make Jewish peoples (of who 80% are Euro) immune for criticism , by identifying critic on any Jew as Anti-Semitism . Just because the struggle is between a Muslim and a Jew , doesnt mean it is because of Islam or Judaism . It never was a religious issue , but a colonial one . This is no different than what happened (and happens) in Indonesia , in India-Pakistan and Kashmir , the Shiaa-Sunni clash of Iraq , 500 years on the America's , Australia and its Aboriginals , and then there was Africa . West-European Colonization , thats what the problem is .


then they cannot even fully define who the "semites" are.


The semantical issue is totally fabulous , its killing me all the way even more than "american" or "terrorist" or "extremist" or "fundamentalist" . But I dont like the way some Arabs are taking this issue either as they discovered how it is used , it has created some sort of feeling of racial supremacy as Semites (we're semites they're not) , and we all know Arabs aint that Semitic either . As decendants of Sem , you can imagine the diversity when the 300 M is reached in a region where Romantics , Turks , Hebrews , Akkhadian and Sabean Arabians , Aryans , Persians, Indu-Kush , Mongols , Nubians , Kemetians and others varying from blond-blue paleskinned to black-brown darkskinned , and we can see the results of it today . Biblically they would be about as much Japhetic as Semitic as Hamitic , with a Semitic tongue .

Even the Akkhadian and Sabean Arabians as a peoples are descends from Ismael , who himself was Semitic because of his father Ibrahim , and Hamitic because of his Kemetian mother Hagar . By definition pure Arabians (not Arabs even) are half Semitic half Hamitic .


The have a hard time dissacotiating Arab from muslim, hence can't comprehend arab jews.


The fact they cant dissacotiate Arab from Muslim shows their indefference in morally judging a person either racially or religiously , imlpying racism or religious-discrimination to be of no problem) Its all good for us Arabs and Muslims anyhow , Islamism (not as a political ideology but as a unificator) not Arabism is what we need , so great......let them have a hard time it doesnt harm . An oppressed Muslim of Ajeh should be able to Identify with an oppressed Muslim from Kashmir who should be able to Identify with an oppressed Muslim from Grozny who should be able to Identify with an oppressed Muslim from Gaza , and for the Muslims in the west to understand and embrace this unification and Islamic identification .

Originally posted by bhudmaash
why's that?
most of the immigrants are Kurds, and Albanian.
I'm neither.
FYI: they didnt just "arrive" here, they came becuase of Govt policy, u have a problem take it up with them.
Kurds,Albanians, and countless middle easterners. Muslims in the thousands. He hee, England will become a muslim nation before long.

I dont have a problem with it, muslims go to the west to live and to feel safe. Says a lot!!! :D

Originally posted by bhudmaash
FOR STU, JERREK, AVATAR:
that means "we're coming for you, and watch out for that RPG up your ass"
:D
the ignorant will be treated as such

Masalaam

Bring it on Ghandi :D

Kurds,Albanians, and countless middle easterners. Muslims in the thousands. He hee, England will become a muslim nation before

wow u seem an expert on UK immigrants. U seem to think that the majority are Muslim?
Well in that case could you provide up to date stats on the current immigrants in the UK, full breakdown of ethnicity, religion, sex, age ratios, with demographics. ?

and like said, Tony Blair let them in, no one forced him.

Stu :

I have seem to have missed your previous post on page one , I wouldnt want you to think I ignored it because I have no answers for it :


Headlines "Israeli troops kill two Palestinian children and 65 year old woman"
Please explain the military value of these victims.


Ehm ..... thanks for proving a point .


ALL Isreali Jews are part of the military????
This is a sweeping statement.
Prove it.


The highly orthodox who dont recognize the Zionist state of Israel are not , kids are not and the elderly are not . All others man and woman are part of the Israeli Army and have always been . Its a war-state my friend , its not Switzerland .......
Im not going to provide you proof to something that is publicly known , before you know it Im teaching you the alphabet ........
:rolleyes:


Besides this...besides that blah blah...


I dont think its blah blah , I think its point-proving on different levels .


You think the same people living today are the same people from 48, I doubt it.


They're much worse , besides everybody from 48 staid , Sterner Yitzhak Shamir was even prime minister in 86 and Sharon is General of 82 . As for the 700.000 Israeli's , where did u think they went ? Didnt they make kiddo's ? And along the way they kept bringing in and now they are 5 M .


Tell me, who ACTUALLY started the war? and were they civilians or military? Were the reasons political or was it a civil war? Tell me who you blame.


The Lehi and Irgun Militias who established the Zionist state of Israel under Ben Gurion after the Brits stopped colonizing it . The area has been colonized forever , the Turks , the Brits , and now the Zionists . They came with 700.000 European Jews from 47 and brutalized and raped villages causing the diaspora of about the same amount of Palestinians , those who stayd and surrendered are living in Israel today , 6 M live in diaspora or is occupied within the territories of Gaza and WestBank .


And its these innocents which are been slaughtered.


Yes and I condemn it on both sides , but that doesnt equalize the situation . 30 year olds have been born in refugee camps , they have been children once as well , they are raised on war , and that for the past 55 years , imagine how many children that have been who have suffered from this ? Todays suicide bombers are yesterdays children my friend , and look what happens to them today , when they are being killed by an ARMY .


The majority of people of America were not in favour of war with Iraq, but Bush went ahead, this is not a representation of the peoples wishes.


First of all there is a slight difference between representation and support and responsibility within peoples of Israel (who are all ARMY) and USA . As far as USA goes , I consider a democratic country to be sign of self-regulation , and as long as peoples are not oppressed and dont do anything about it , they are responsible for it , Bush is NOT Saddam Hussain . Also he has been elected by plenty who can be held responsible for that , but most relevant , everybody supports (weiher conscious and agreeing or disagreeing or not conscious at all) the state by supporting the states economy through consuming .

as for the rest of your mumbo jumbo little stewie :


Yup, and you praised the terror of the Twin Towers


Yup


Never mind his religious views, ALL his views are savage


I dont think so


Unfortunately for you Imperialism is superior to your beliefs, get over it. You clearly state what you represent (down with imperialists).


Yes I want imperialism down , and Im sure it gets down without me having that much to do with it anyways , Im not seeing USA exist in the way they do today in 30 years or so , why saying its a lost battle ? Besides , what if it is , Im dead in 50 years anyways , does that stop me from living today ? Why should eventual defeat stop me from putting in my 2 cents today . And more importantly , what the hell should any of this have to do with an opinion ? I gotta like them because they win ? lol .


If you hate the west so much, why live here???
Isn't arabland good enough for you and your bhuddy A_M. It's funny how you all come to the west to live which you hate sooooo much.....hypocrites. ROFLMAO


Arabland is not as great as the caves of euro my friend , why would I want to trouble myself ? Just because I dont like you I cant steel your cookie and eat it ? I say BECAUSE I dont like you I steal your cookie doofus , why would I want to deny myself of that ? LMAO .

Besides , we wouldnt get anywhere if we all would be stuck in Arabia wouldnt you say ;)


No it's not OK
The destruction of humans, death with nails and screws inside of human flesh is Jihad.
Airplanes full of innocent passengers crashing into a building is Jihad.
Killing a 2 yr old baby with his mother is Jihad... .
Do not try to explain Jihad as a struggle.
It is absolutely wrong: Hitler was wrong, true? Sadam is wrong? True.
Arafat is wrong? True.
Saudi oil is wrong? True.
Bin Laden is wrong? True.
USA is wrong? False!
Let's make things clear: America is against Jihad!!!


You obviously know shit on the concept of Jihad . You're USA isnt against Jihad , you're USA is part of Jihad . You see Jihad is a philosophical concept that deals with the eternal struggle of the forces . Those forces are ethical (thats the most famous one amongst common muslims) , esthetical , epistemological , ontological . You see in both there are 2 ways , one is of Allah one is of Satan , clearly USA knows its place .

Jihad is a concept that deals with thing that were before Islam , the Quy'ran deals with philosophies from ancient Greece , from ancient Babylon , from ancient Kemet . Dont come saying Jihad isnt about struggle , it is paralel with Heraclitus' philosophy of war based on tension and conflict as constant state of change acoording to the laws of opposition between different forces . These lawas were influencial for modern day dialectics , Jihad and Islam isnt just your average religious mumbo jumbo .

How can you identify a concept that is known or used by 1.2 BILLION people with how only a few are using it . And yes I consider 9-11 to be a righteous act of Jihad , but I dont agree with any of your other socalled Jihad assertions .

And a Shaheed is one who has lost his life in Jihad for Allah . But you probably couldnt even get passed some spook on a cloud , so lets drop these little "what is Jihad" fantasy shall we ?


England has become one of the biggest trashcan of immigrants ever, you should feel more at home now than in previous years


trashcans of immigrants ? Lets hope those trashcans take over the colonizing slavedrivers one day .......


Kurds,Albanians, and countless middle easterners. Muslims in the thousands.


See ? Buhd , why should we oppose this view ? we're all Muslims no difference whatsoever to those peoples , why not act as such ?


He hee, England will become a muslim nation before long.


Lets hope so , or any other oppressed peoples' nation .


muslims go to the west to live and to feel safe. Says a lot!!!


imperialism doesnt create hell in its frontyard , it creates hell in his street he has taken over . Albania is the poorest coutnry of Europe and nobody gives a shit when they all are playing EU , Kurds are brutalized in Turkey but turkey's biggest problem of coming in is $ religion and culture .

Says a lot indeed . One causes the other , but hey .........

Originally posted by bhudmaash
wow u seem an expert on UK immigrants. U seem to think that the majority are Muslim?
Well in that case could you provide up to date stats on the current immigrants in the UK, full breakdown of ethnicity, religion, sex, age ratios, with demographics. ?
Sure thing bhuddy

Asylum countries of origin (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3013615.stm)
I dont think all these dudes are christians

250,000 Iraqis in the UK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2940799.stm)
Now I might be wrong ahem! but these guys just might be muslims

Islam's young radical front (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1787322.stm)
Any comments Bhuddy

Man on terrorism charge jailed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2864195.stm)
Heeey, You live in the UK, you aint got any books on terrorism have you Bhud?? he hee!

and like said, Tony Blair let them in, no one forced him.
You cant blame a monkey for it's actions lol :D

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Islam as a whole went on the offensive in 1947 when Britain (then still Great) abandoned her imperial responsibilities when she allowed India to slide into anarchy, 700,000(?) of her subjects brutally murdered and tens of millions driven from their homes in a state of beggary an act for which Mahatma ("give us chaos") Gandhi that apostle of non-violence, must share the moral responsibility with Lord Louis Mountbatten of Britain & Mohammed Ali Jinnah of the Muslim League and, incidentally, helping to usher in the first of the religious wars that are even now raging all over this planet.

In the 1960s Islam exploded in both Indonesia as well as Malaysia in righteous wrath against the Zionist-Imperial Infidel, but as there were no Jews and very few Westerners to kill, the Chinese had to play the role of the victims and they were butchered in the tens of thousands.

On September 11th when New York & Washington were successfully attacked, (dead: Islam 19, Infidels 3000) the Arab Street went delirious with joy and not just in the Middle East but also in all Islamic enclaves in Europe. And how did the West respond? The opinion- & decision-makers fell all over themselves in their haste to explain Islam to the infidels, to the point that His Holiness, the Pope, the President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Britain went to the Mosques, and in effect, apologized for harboring uncharitable thoughts and assuring everyone (and more important themselves) what a loving and peaceful religion Islam is.

Islam is peaceful cough*bullshit*cough :D

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
I dont want to hear any complaint when the next palestinean suicide martyer tear to small pieces the jewish killers:

Israeli troops kill two Palestinian children and 65 year old woman

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3493.htm

Abdulla: Hey PROUD_SYRIAN, please don't fret about the continuing US financed Israeli pogroms against the Palestinain's in the territories.

The coming months will see more and more of these parasites and their spawn spilling their guts all over the Middle Eastern desert landscape.

Let's face it---the world "smells" a rat when it points its nose towards Israel and all the condemning and rabble rousing by the US Zionist owned and operated media when a Palestinian CRUISE BOMBER sends them their special greetings will not keep the world from clapping as the killers bleed and spill their guts out in their march towards a greater Israel.

AbdullaTheBomber....

Originally posted by stu43t
Gee, you mean a REAL cruise missile. I bet it's camel powered and your gonna launch it from a flying carpet LOL

BTW, stop using these dirty bombs the camel shit is getting everywhere.

http://www.fatwasam.co.uk/images/dirtybomb.gif


get a life you old fart :D

Abdulla: Reminds me, hey honey: "Did you buy the wheat bagal's for the Rabbi today?

Abdulla....

when Britain (then still Great) abandoned her imperial responsibilities


:mad:


Islam is peaceful cough*bullshit*cough


Only idiots equalize actions of peoples (quite a minority of peoples even) with a philosophy , culture and religion ........


the Arab Street went delirious with joy


We should have an International 9-11-Retalliation Day .
with cookies , hugs , gifts , music , the worx .
:D

I bet Israel was quite happy about 9-11 as well , it rid them of Saddam , it gave the peoples of Israel an anti-terrorism brotherly affection with the peoples of USA , a "thats happening to us daily" message thats being sent out .......

Not daily enough obviously ..........

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics

We should have an International 9-11-Retalliation Day .
with cookies , hugs , gifts , music , the worx .
:D

I bet Israel was quite happy about 9-11 as well , it rid them of Saddam , it gave the peoples of Israel an anti-terrorism brotherly affection with the peoples of USA , a "thats happening to us daily" message thats being sent out .......

Not daily enough obviously ..........

Well here we have a pretend muslim celebrating the horror of the twin towers. Your a sad little creature, get back under your stone lowlife.

DooDoo Stu

Well here we have a pretend muslim celebrating the horror of the twin towers. Your a sad little creature, get back under your stone lowlife.


First of all dont call me a pretend Muslim , for one because you are Kafir and everything about you is Najis . You know shit about being a Muslim , you know shit about Islam , so I suggest you do not opionate on subjects you know shit of .

I suggest before you laud yourself on your discovery of the day , you would like to know that it is no secret your phony little "horror" is not only being celebrated by me , but by many others who are Muslim and who are not , who are Arab and who are not .

15XTWC happens 1X/DAY , and thats with peoples who are not wealthy , who have lived no nice lives , who have no wonderfull economic prosperity working in the business centre of the world , instead of those who HAVE voted for slavedrivers who DO support neo-nazi's and who do FINANCE the entire Mid-East project since ww2 .

I say London is next , and its queing up behind them ......

I hope where-ever fascists as yourself are skyscrapers may surround them .

Thanks again stewie for providing your ignorant and reality-repressing opinions on matters you read about in your silly little dictionary . I bet thats the way you learned about the word Jihad as well , no ?

Oh its just your emotional way of being , just as you linked living somewhere with loving whatever , just as you're irattionally blaming matters on individuals when entire sociological concepts are at play , just like you didnt even know who started a war in Israel (lets not even begin on the who's who game) , I bet you wouldnt even know who started war in America , the Maya or the Spaniards ......

get back into your cave you savage barbarian

http://www.yedidia.net/caveman.gif

Allahs

First of all dont call me a pretend Muslim

It’s interesting that more and more members here are coming to that same conclusion – that you are simply blowing a lot of hot air and are as Muslim as a Cornish hen.

it is no secret your phony little "horror" is not only being celebrated by me , but by many others who are Muslim and who are not , who are Arab and who are not

Yes, other sick and twisted individuals like you who find pleasure in misery.

hope where-ever fascists as yourself are skyscrapers may surround them .

I don’t there is a need to wish bad things upon you – you’re probably already there.

Q's back :

It’s interesting that more and more members here are coming to that same conclusion – that you are simply blowing a lot of hot air and are as Muslim as a Cornish hen.


More members like who ? Neo-fascist Kafirs who are filled with Najis , and retarded old men like yourself ? Im happy my fellow Muslims on this board seem to disagree with Kafir Islamophobes like yourself and your fascist buddies'..........


Yes, other sick and twisted individuals like you who find pleasure in misery.


Only in your misery old man


I don’t there is a need to wish bad things upon you – you’re probably already there.


Not really .......

Go back to sleep pops

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
More members like who ? Neo-fascist Kafirs who are filled with Najis , and retarded old men like yourself ? Im happy my fellow Muslims on this board seem to disagree with Kafir Islamophobes like yourself and your fascist buddies'..........
More members like who?

Like the ones who can see straight through a phoney, a false muslim like you. You talk bullshit and you hate it when people put you straight.

Have a nice day :)

Sure Stewie .........you just convince yourself of whatever you wish :rolleyes:

Kafir ........

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
Sure Stewie .........you just convince yourself of whatever you wish :rolleyes:

Kafir ........
So you're a KAFIR!

And according to Islamic sites a Muslim becomes "Kafir" when he or she knowingly rejects the faith and denies Allah and His Messenger.

A Muslim's rank is higher than of a Kafir. God likes a Muslim and dislikes a Kafir. A Muslim will get salvation from God while a Kafir will not. A Muslim will go to Paradise and a Kafir will go to Hell.

Hey, why didn't you say this in the first place, saves a lot of confusion..:D

Stewie

So you're a KAFIR!


You're the Kafir here not me , and everything about you is Najis look that up as well doofus


And according to Islamic sites a Muslim becomes "Kafir" when he or she knowingly rejects the faith and denies Allah and His Messenger.


yup yup
:rolleyes:

A Muslim's rank is higher than of a Kafir. God likes a Muslim and dislikes a Kafir. A Muslim will get salvation from God while a Kafir will not. A Muslim will go to Paradise and a Kafir will go to Hell.

yup yup
:rolleyes:


Hey, why didn't you say this in the first place, saves a lot of confusion..


Im sorry I dont speak cave-man to make you understand how retarded you are .

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
Im sorry I dont speak cave-man to make you understand how retarded you are .
It's quite simple really...

Allahs_Maths is a muslim=correct
Allahs_Maths rejects the faith and denies Allah=correct

And according to Islamic sites a Muslim becomes "Kafir" when he or she knowingly rejects the faith and denies Allah and His Messenger.

Therefore Allahs_Maths=Kafir

It's quite simple really...

Actually it is not that simple , and I would like to refer you to the following thread : http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22921

If you are not a Muslim , I do not understand your need to opinionate on concepts you obviously dont know of and call a Muslim a Kafir , there are no Kafirs for a Kafir .

If you are a Muslim , then you know you cannot call another Muslim a Kafir for Allah is his judger not you .

Both ways your insulting manners are considered uncivilized and not educated on the subject .

You wont hear knowledge if you speak ignorance .

No, thank God I'm not a Muslim

I am thankfull you are not one as well .

The info regards KAFIR from comes from several Islamic sites

It doesnt matter where you get data if you are not capable of processing it into logical results .

It's not my opinion, it's Islams.

Just as you and a site about you isnt equal , Islam and Islamic sites arent equal . There is a difference between X and about X or of X or from X .

Y'know the religious, governmental, jihad cheering regime


Neither does your misconception of Islamic philosophies , nor any regime represent Islam .

It is quite obvious you are an Islamophobe , it is quite common since it fits your political bias , combine that with 0 knowledge and we can have Crystalnight all over .

I suggest when you commincate with other peoples about something you dont know , you make sure you dont opinionate with your fallacious logics , it shows lack of respect , and if one thing can assure a peacefull an civilized conversation it is respect .

You should read a book before you write one

Yeah right Allahs_Math :rolleyes:

Whatever