Here is the question:

Hi, everybody!
It has been over 2 years since I posted the last time here on these boards.
Unfortunately I was extremely busy,right now I barely have time to post some of these questions:

Do humans age and dies because of the law of the entropy?

Here are my questions from Biology and Genetics forums:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=75245

So, the question I'll copy from my own post in that thread still remains:
can anyone explain me how does the law of entropy affect human organism?
DNA gets damaged but can be also repaired,however after 30 years of life DNA has lesser and lesser ability to regenerate itself-where does law of the entropy fit in here?

Does it mean like DNA has less and less usable energy to repair/regenerate itself after time,but how is this possible if an biological (human) organism is an open system?


Can,please anyone help me with it?
I just hope moderators will not delete my message here-I'd really like to hear what physicists think!

Thanks.

Yes and no.

1. Yes: because entropy must follow QM effects... such as the Copenhagen Interpretations Uncertainty Principle// In other words, the entropy causes biological configurations to evolve.This is intimately related to Biofields.

2. No: Because sometimes quantum entanglement is involved, where they must always evolve the same way.

Sorry i wasn;t more coherent last time.

Yes and no.

1. Yes: because entropy must follow QM effects... such as the Copenhagen Interpretations Uncertainty Principle// In other words, the entropy causes biological configurations to evolve.This is intimately related to Biofields.

2. No: Because sometimes quantum entanglement is involved, where they must always evolve the same way.

Sorry i wasn;t more coherent last time.


However, I do have 2 questions:
You said that "No problem for that. No: Because sometimes quantum entanglement is involved, where they must always evolve the same way."
Could you ,please be more specific?

Do you mean like quantum entanglement is the exchange for entropy law in cases entropy law doesn't work or that both quantum entanglement and the entropy law behave equally so it's impossible to recognize if this was entropy law or quantum entanglement(like particle-wave duality thing)???

But how does quantum entangelment affect entropy and how does entropy affect quantum entanglement at all?

And again, thanks for your replies.

However, I do have 2 questions:
You said that "No problem for that. No: Because sometimes quantum entanglement is involved, where they must always evolve the same way."
Could you ,please be more specific?

Do you mean like quantum entanglement is the exchange for entropy law in cases entropy law doesn't work or that both quantum entanglement and the entropy law behave equally so it's impossible to recognize if this was entropy law or quantum entanglement(like particle-wave duality thing)???

But how does quantum entangelment affect entropy and how does entropy affect quantum entanglement at all?

Yeh, sure mate. :)

Entangelement means that two particle driven out of the vacuum from the same source (DIRAC SEA), will not be unidentifiable, until a collapse in the wabe function is made.

''Do you mean like quantum entanglement is the exchange for entropy law in cases entropy law doesn't work or that both quantum entanglement and the entropy law behave equally so it's impossible to recognize if this was entropy law or quantum entanglement(like particle-wave duality thing)??? '''

Yes

Gravage---

Quantum effects probaby play an insignificant role in biological processes---the timescales involved are too long. For example, protein folding and unfolding happens at the rate of femtoseconds (10^-15), but QED effects that Reiku was talking about happen on the order of attoseconds (10^-18). So the classical laws of entropy should be more than adequate for describing these processes.

I have been thinking about it since I answered your question in the other thread, and I now think that entropy IS one of the chief causes of aging. The second law is only valid for isolated systems, and our body certainly isn't that. And indeed, the fact that DNA repairs itself would seem to contradict the second law if we neglected the fact that we get energy from external sources.

As others have told you, the body becomes less and less efficient at using energy, which means that there is less and less energy available for reversing the damage done to your body by normal, everyday processes. Energy is needed to drive tihngs like DNA repairs---I could see very easily that that should be an endothermic process.

The reasons for these things are probably just not known.

The reasons for these things are probably just not known. Whether they count as "reasons" or not, quite a bit of theoretical work (modeling, cladistic comparison, direct experiments, etc) has been done on the ecology of aging.

It is closely connected with the growth rate, age at first reproduction, fecundity, and ideal reproductive size.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/3202h71038440224/ This is one approach,

but see this: http://www.johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/life_history/life_history_invariants_nee_2005.w

Multicellular, finite size (they quit growing, like mammals and birds) organisms all seem to have established lifespans. In humans it seems to be about 75 years, in a sort of Poisson distribution beginning around 60 with a mean around 75 or 80 and a maximum somewhere just over 120.

About time for a grandmother to help her youngest likely daughter with the first grandchild, as some have observed.

Humans are one of the very few animals who live past their reproductive age, including the child raising interval. That is something of a mystery yet. Other animals seem to die right on cue, for maximum reproductive fitness of their genes given their niche - unless that max fitness has been calculated from the lifespan, which is circular - - -

Look up '''collapse of the wave function.'' It will explain how two particles can have simultaneous qualities before an observation is made,

For the latter... I suppose so...

And again, thanks for your replies.

Gravage,
Let us restrict our attention here to your question regarding the living and dying of humans. Specifically you asked,

"Do humans age and dies because of the law of the entropy?"

Now a simplified definition of the law of entropy is that enclosed systems tend to lose information during the passage of time. Let's start with one more or less reasonable beginning for the life of a human,, impregnating the human ovary with a male sperm. Now ask yourself, "do the changes in that now dual system tend to vary into a lesser complex system, or does the complexity increase?"

Obviously, from pregnancy to development a process requiring virtually zero external input, save feeding, but the intake and distribution of input energy is performed entirely by forces at work located, by default I suppose, eventually, within the mother. Accelerate the process as the born human goes through recognizable stages that appear to be automatic. Myself, I have always been amazed at the physical appearance similarity between my mother and myself, basically blonde and blue, while my sister's appearance favored our father. I mean this meaning more than color. There is no doubt that I am my mother's son. Explain this without restricting your answer to "information stored in DNA".

Throughout, a person's life the process of cell division keeps the process going in an extremely order state. To an outside observer is unaware of human scientific dogma regarding the tendency of processes to evolve to levels of higher disorder. This outside observer my very well conclude that the birth life cycle was an ever decreasing state of entropy.

Earth science generally holds that planets, for instance, form by the accumulation of ever increasing density of wildly fluctuating gases in space. Ask the question here, does the resulting process of the solidification of random gas particle into a solid state, which by the way, effectively increases information regarding the location of all the gas particles that were originally distributed over vast distances of vast, relatively speaking into a very small spherical volume.

Now this planet, did not just continue in some random trajectory. The earth, for instance, began to spin on an identifiable axis, and the sphere itself began to do what, orbit in a more or less flat planar near circular orbit? No, the sun is in a state of near straight-line motion and pulls its child planets along such that the trajectory of the planet Earth is now in a state of equilibrium in a well defined helical orbit.

Similarly, all bro and sis planets have their unique helical orbit where the path of each p[planet never returns to duplicate any previous motion. That is annually, the planets do retrace the previous year's position in space as the sun drags all planets along in the incredibly complex helical system.

Assume the earth is approximately 1/4 inch in diameter. Then the sun would be sphere approximately 1 meter in diameter with mutual distance of approximately 200 meters (I haven’t made the calculation in a while). Mercury is located approximately 80 meters, and Pluto is a[proximately 11 kilometers distance from momma sun.

Gravage, if you look at the universe through your own sense organs you don’t need a book, a physicist with a PhD to describe the universe to you. Some evening go out under the stellar objects and generally look in the up direction and take notes. The answers will come to you.

In my perspective, the laws of entropy of the universe are that entropy is in an inexorable state of decline, implying that the universe is tending to a state of an infinite tenure, or tending to last forever. You can believe in the instant when the last star will flicker from the sky if you choose to, but don't hold your breath. And BTW, how do those inorganic smilies remain coordinated in their motion?
:shrug:

:shrug:

Do humans age and dies because of the law of the entropy?
Basically no, because they're dying just because of accelerating of their evolution into more complex creatures, which violates the entropy law locally. But such evolution can occurs only if it would remain balanced by some more global entropy increasing, for example by radiative dissipation of solar matter into energy.

By AWT no global entropy change can occur from sufficiently global perspective, because the Aether is as chaotic, as possible, so only less or more pronounced entropy fluctuations (undulations) can occur here.

I was thinking about this one night while not able to sleep.

Since life creates order it would seem to be negentropy itself.
But life evolves with cell division.
And cell division occurs because a large cell is less stable than two smaller cells.
So the life evolution process itself is an example of nature "seeking" [having the tendency toward] low energy states.

It would seem that cell specialization which allows more complex lifeforms is the negentropy source.
And this could be just natural selection of preferred mutations.