1) Does God have a "free will"?

2) What is "good"?

3) What is "evil"?

4) Can God transform from a "good" being into an "evil" being like Satan? Does he have the ability to become evil, or perform an evil act?

5) Can God "sin"?

1) there is no God. Free will exists in us all.

2) good is that which favors the society existence. Good is tied with love, "to die for the truth, to die for the love, to die to protect"

3) evil is opposite of good

4) there is no God. We have the ability to act evil or good. We have the ability to be Gods of our own world.

5) there is no God. We can sin, we choose to sin and not.

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if you take a look at most religions, you would find the god they worship, to be the embodiment of evil.

1) Does God have a "free will"?
certainly

2) What is "good"?
what is in accordance with his free will

3) What is "evil"?
what is in discordance with his free will

4) Can God transform from a "good" being into an "evil" being like Satan?
he can - he does this by retracting the opportunity to serve him with love - usually he does this when the living entity envies him (and thus comes to the material world to deal with their envy)

Does he have the ability to become evil, or perform an evil act?
since he is the foundation from which such a term develops, no

5) Can God "sin"?
who would he 'sin' against?

Behold I am the god Vega, I speak for all gods when I say yes we can get really pissed off at times and seriously kick some butt!!

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1) Does God have a "free will"?

2) What is "good"?

3) What is "evil"?

4) Can God transform from a "good" being into an "evil" being like Satan? Does he have the ability to become evil, or perform an evil act?

5) Can God "sin"?
read Isaiah 35.7 {I think)
go something like this 'I create EVIL and darknes I LORD do all that'

would that make god evil??
IF it existed that is;)

What is "good"?
what is in accordance with his free will

Why? How exactly do you know God's will is good?

Is "good" a quality separate from God which God chooses to be?
Or is "good" whatever quality God has at a given time?


What is evil?
what is in discordance with his free will


Can God transform from a "good" being into an "evil" being like Satan?
he can - he does this by retracting the opportunity to serve him with love - usually he does this when the living entity envies him (and thus comes to the material world to deal with their envy)

You stated earlier that evil is whatever is discordance with God's will.
You stated above that God can transform into an evil being.

This is a contradiction since God cannot go against his own free will.


Does he have the ability to become evil, or perform an evil act?
since he is the foundation from which such a term develops, no

So your definition of evil is "the opposite of God." You've already stated above, however, that God can transform into an evil being. Therefore, if God transforms into an evil being and he is the foundation from which the term evil develops, then does "evil" suddenly mean "good"?

Can God "sin"?
who would he 'sin' against?

If you claim that "God" and "Good" are two separate entities, then sin can be defined as "anything which goes against God or Good"

However, if you claim that "Good" means whatever "God" is, then sin can only mean "anything which goes against God."

So in the former case, God could sin in the sense that he is going against the principle of Good.

What is "good"?
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Originally Posted by lightgigantic
what is in accordance with his free will
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Why? How exactly do you know God's will is good?

Is "good" a quality separate from God which God chooses to be?
Or is "good" whatever quality God has at a given time?
this q was proposed by an ancient western philosopher (plato?) - basically the problem about defining goodness as something separate from god (the omnimax one of course) is that you are left with the issue of what is the framework an all powerful entity is working out of - in other words it suggests a greater cause than god

hence goodness is defined in relation to god's nature, rather than god's nature being defined in relation to goodness - I explain this more clearly later on


What is evil?
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Originally Posted by lightgigantic
what is in discordance with his free will
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Can God transform from a "good" being into an "evil" being like Satan?

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Originally Posted by lightgigantic
he can - he does this by retracting the opportunity to serve him with love - usually he does this when the living entity envies him (and thus comes to the material world to deal with their envy)
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You stated earlier that evil is whatever is discordance with God's will.
You stated above that God can transform into an evil being.

This is a contradiction since God cannot go against his own free will.

I also stated that a entity is transfered into something 'evil', or perhaps more correctly stated 'ignorant', when they envy god (envy being the fundamental principle of material existence)

Does he have the ability to become evil, or perform an evil act?
certainly, if its god's will that the living entity also has free will (there is a difference between the free will of god and the free will of the living entity - the main one is that such classifications of good/evil cannot be determined by our free will)
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Originally Posted by lightgigantic
since he is the foundation from which such a term develops, no
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So your definition of evil is "the opposite of God."
the opposite of god's nature

You've already stated above, however, that God can transform into an evil being.
I did?

Therefore, if God transforms into an evil being and he is the foundation from which the term evil develops, then does "evil" suddenly mean "good"?
unlike us, god doesn't have the ability to immerse himself in ignorance and thus forget his nature - since to be evil requires that one forget god's nature, it is not possible for god to be evil, just as it is not possible to cast a shadow on the sun

Can God "sin"?
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Originally Posted by lightgigantic
who would he 'sin' against?
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If you claim that "God" and "Good" are two separate entities, then sin can be defined as "anything which goes against God or Good"

However, if you claim that "Good" means whatever "God" is, then sin can only mean "anything which goes against God."

So in the former case, God could sin in the sense that he is going against the principle of Good.
more closer to the later - basically there would have to be a nature higher than god for him to sin - since this defies the understanding of the word 'god' (no nature higher than him), the only other possibility is if god could transgress his own nature, which requires the influence of illusion or ignorance, and this also defies the standard definition of the word 'god' (no trace of the illusory influence of ignorance)

basically there would have to be a nature higher than god for him to sin - since this defies the understanding of the word 'god' (no nature higher than him), the only other possibility is if god could transgress his own nature, which requires the influence of illusion or ignorance, and this also defies the standard definition of the word 'god' (no trace of the illusory influence of ignorance)

This statement is not needed. Basically it would be of better use to say that a god can do anything, but wont regard what it does as a 'sin' or evil the way humans perceive the word.

There are many written records of actions by gods that to us would be deemed sinful or evil. As an example I would mention human annihilation that from human morality is just plain wrong. god however can do these things and be free from any repurcussions purely on the basis that there is nobody to judge him/her/it/them.

It would be apparent that a god can sin/perform evil actions. If it could not then it would not be omnipotent and thus would cause LG to state that it "defies the standard definition of the word god".

In short: yes a god can sin, there's just nobody to judge those actions.

Lightgigantic,

If God is willing to stop evil but unable, he's not omnipotent.

If Gos is able to stop evil, but unwilling, then he's not benevolent.

What part of that statement escapes you theists' perceptions????

Such a character as god would definitely have the capacity to commit evil, however would lack the ability to recognize any such acts as evil - having already defined himself as 'good'.

Hebrew is a very definite language...under the Hebrew to English translation the Hebrew word translated evil suggest that God does cause evil to come down on those that commit evil against God and their fellowman as a form a justice.

That word is best described as "to go against" or "to act against" Hebrew is litteral....so yes according to scripture God causes evil as a form of righteous judement upon the lawless.

so yes according to scripture God causes evil as a form of righteous judement upon the lawless.

Ergo: gods as big a bastard as everyone else. Perhaps he should kill himself to forgive himself.. wait, nm.

Hebrew is a very definite language...under the Hebrew to English translation the Hebrew word translated evil suggest that God does cause evil to come down on those that commit evil against God and their fellowman as a form a justice.
I can see that. But, it isn't that simple. Have you ever heard the phrase, 'it rains on the just and unjust'?
It makes it hard to worship or respect any deity that one, allows evil to come down on those people, because a lot of people get way more punishment than they deserve.* And two, that means since he allows evil to roam the earth, REGARDLESS of justice this, and justice that, he's not benevolent and ultimately responsible and accountable for all the crap that happens in this world.

*example, a guy grows up non-christian. He is offered Christianity but by his personal choice, he does not accept it. He grows up to be a good upstanding citizen. He supports his community, gives to charity, gets married, has children, raises them like a father should, never cheats on his wife, and passes away still married.

According to Xianity, he will go to hell. I personally have a problem with that. You do not have to be Xian to be a good, moral person. If anyone thinks otherwise, they are smoking crack.
So you can polish it, sugarcoat it and glitter it up all you want, but it all boils down to two choices (according to Xians): accept Christ or burn for eternity in hell.
If our legal systems punishment were proportional to that b/s, then we should put shoplifters in prison for life and lethal inject vandalists.

Now you see how people follow satanism - God is the bad guy - devil is the good guy. "Satan" rebelled for some reason anyway.

Actually ops I just remembered Zoroaster is the guy that made that whole horseshit story up....carry on.

Why is Satan termed as being "evil"? Because he doesn't agree with God?

Because God is the self-proclaimed epitome of good and everything that doesn't agree with or accept God, is evil. That's why.

1) Does God have a "free will"?We simply don't know, but it might mean something else in that perspective than it does in ours.

2) What is "good"?No one is good but God, everything else is your moral code I guess, and what you think is good. It's good to do what you believe is good. Often things we perceive as good are done with love in mind.

3) What is "evil"?Often we do evil things because of fear of different things, it can also be that we are influenced by our selfishness and evil is often the opposite of things we perceive as good.

4) Can God transform from a "good" being into an "evil" being like Satan? Does he have the ability to become evil, or perform an evil act?God doesn't bring forth what He hates. So no. God cannot perform an evil act, as an evil act is something that isn't supported by God.

5) Can God "sin"?No, God doesn't go against Himself.

Lightgigantic,

If God is willing to stop evil but unable, he's not omnipotent.

If Gos is able to stop evil, but unwilling, then he's not benevolent.

What part of that statement escapes you theists' perceptions????Who said that God is unwilling to stop evil, and who said that God is unabled to stop evil? We are on earth for a reason, for that reason evil is sustained, but only for so long (I think, when the rightous reaches it's full number).

Lightgigantic,

If God is willing to stop evil but unable, he's not omnipotent.

If Gos is able to stop evil, but unwilling, then he's not benevolent.

What part of that statement escapes you theists' perceptions????
the issue of the free will of the living entity - hence you see the material world acting as an expression of god's potency to rehabilitate and curb the tendency of the conditioned living entity from ignorance

That's a silly question mate- God is "evil" by being good, because in being good you create the chance for evil to exist.

Going on a purely religious aspect, God did not "create" evil. He made the chance for it to exist by giving Humans free will... God wants Humanity to love him. He doesn't MAKE us love him because it serves no point- he has Angels for that. The choice to love him is what makes our love special... but it also leaves room for us to not love him, which is where Evil spawns.

Snakelord
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basically there would have to be a nature higher than god for him to sin - since this defies the understanding of the word 'god' (no nature higher than him), the only other possibility is if god could transgress his own nature, which requires the influence of illusion or ignorance, and this also defies the standard definition of the word 'god' (no trace of the illusory influence of ignorance)
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This statement is not needed. Basically it would be of better use to say that a god can do anything, but wont regard what it does as a 'sin' or evil the way humans perceive the word.
a thief may regard the king as a thief, especially when he is brought to justice

There are many written records of actions by gods that to us would be deemed sinful or evil.
there are also many indications what we are doing here in the first place, experiencing the 'criminal' acts of god

As an example I would mention human annihilation that from human morality is just plain wrong.
guess we should have thought about that before we came to the material world - I guess its the nature of ignorance that it escaped our mind ....

god however can do these things and be free from any repurcussions purely on the basis that there is nobody to judge him/her/it/them.
there are many differences between god and the living entity - as you indicate here, absolute power is one - a second one is also absolute knowledge

It would be apparent that a god can sin/perform evil actions. If it could not then it would not be omnipotent and thus would cause LG to state that it "defies the standard definition of the word god".
I think you would be the first to admit that you are not 100% socialized around the notion of eternal life in heaven - if you want to have heaven on earth without god, and view the influence of the time factor represented by death as a great interference to this cherished desire, I think we have a strong argument for your criminal position

In short: yes a god can sin, there's just nobody to judge those actions.
yes, the dogs will bark, but the caravan will pass
;)

Why is Satan termed as being "evil"? Because he doesn't agree with God?
I guess so

a thief may regard the king as a thief, especially when he is brought to justice

there are also many indications what we are doing here in the first place, experiencing the 'criminal' acts of god
guess we should have thought about that before we came to the material world - I guess its the nature of ignorance that it escaped our mind ....
there are many differences between god and the living entity - as you indicate here, absolute power is one - a second one is also absolute knowledge

I think you would be the first to admit that you are not 100% socialized around the notion of eternal life in heaven - if you want to have heaven on earth without god, and view the influence of the time factor represented by death as a great interference to this cherished desire, I think we have a strong argument for your criminal position
yes, the dogs will bark, but the caravan will pass

All of them certainly very interesting, but none of them add anything to what I said or really have much relevance to what I said.