Does Capitalism have its boundaries?

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  1. grazzhoppa yawwn Valued Senior Member

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    My thoughts (very rough)-

    Does Capitalism keep minorities from rising up and becoming equal, having truly equal rights, true equal oppertunities? -Political campaigns target to the individual (In such a way of: What will that guy do for me?). The most individuals that are alike are, of course, the majority. So minorities are already at a disadvantage because the government is not concentrating equal energy to meet their needs and wants.

    Politicians make programs such as Welfare (for the extreme minorities) and other programs to help. Are these programs just to keep the minorities "happy?" Is it just enough to get their vote, their praise?

    Keep in mind the question in the beginning of the first paragraph. -Can Capitalism make everyone (a reasonable amount) happy without making everyone equal and working as and for a whole (in other words: not turn into Socialism)?

    -Does Capitalism have its boundaries?-
     
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  3. Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    US does run socially engineered capitalism. I call it socialism.

    If you don't like capitalism, what is your alternative?

    The sooner we drop racial distinction the better. We need to stop categorizing people as majorities or minorities. I prefer a color blind society.
     
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  5. grazzhoppa yawwn Valued Senior Member

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    I dont want to purpose an alternative, in this thread. I would just like to hear other's thoughts on the boundries of Captialism, how far they can be stretched.

    Yes, a color blind society would be nice, but it would be a utopia.

    I agree, but there will always be too many people that are taught from their parents to hate or they'll have the wrong experiences in life that will make them hate a certain group of people (such as 9/11).

    Is Capitalism capable of making almost everyone happy?
     
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  7. Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    Trick question.

    Capitalism is a form of economy, not a form of government.
     
  8. grazzhoppa yawwn Valued Senior Member

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    errr, stupid me

    Sorry, I relized that last night. I meant Democracy.
     
  9. kmguru Staff Member

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    YES

    I know every type of minority - female, non-white, non christian, young, old, less educated, well educated, barely native language speaking, artist, musician - they all made the American dream come true in the last 20 years. That is almost impossible in any other country.

    (assuming Capitalism is syn. with USA)
     
  10. kmguru Staff Member

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    Re: errr, stupid me

    Of course Democracy....
     
  11. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    A voice from the past ...

    "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of
    men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good
    of everyone." - John Maynard Keynes -

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  12. Teg Unknown Citizen Registered Senior Member

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    I can see no inherint restrictions against poor white people that aren't also inhibiting black people of the same class and vice versa. People who are born toa higher income family are more likely to prosper. They have an automatic advantage of capital reserves. There are more rich white people, but this has more to do with the relatively short period since abolition. In any case affirmative action laws actually slant economic boosts for lower classes towards minorities. No of this changes the fact that rich families have rich children. It is a cycle that survives the fact that we do not have laws of entail and primogenture.
    Actually it is (sort of). Communism is the opposite of capitalism and it a government. Capitalism is a governing device in the same way that a republic utilizes a senate for represntation, so too does capitalism use banks and IRS to govern economics. Actually that is what we have labeled Capitalism. Actual capitalism is the ultimate free market. What we have is more controlled.

    Capitalism and Democracy have alot in common. Both words are used by Americans to describe ourselves, while bearing little or no relation to what the structures actually are. Just like we are really more like a Republic than a Democracy, we are more like a communist state than a capitalist. We have controls of industry and various methods of wealth redistribution (social security, disability, the dying welfare system, medicare, taxes, etc.). These terms only persist out of ignorance.
     
  13. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    A common mistake based on McCarthy era propaganda. A communist state can have a capitalist economy. Communism refers only to the method of the state assets (such as power supply, water supply, health care, et cetera) being owned by the people and their use and future determined by the people. That does not in any way restrict the people from having their own businesses or personal wealth.
     
  14. Teg Unknown Citizen Registered Senior Member

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    Adam

    It is actually defined as a concerted effort to redistribute wealth and resources, a maintained effect of equalization. The working theory is that people should work for the better of the community rather than the better of the self. In practice it was just an excuse to deny people. The effects were often opposite of the stated goal. In that we have not yet seena true democracy, nor have we seen a true communist state. There are only dictators and oligarchies. Governments are always run by the few.
     
  15. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    Teg

    I wonder, have you read any books by Terry Goodkind? He released one of his Sword Of Truth series after the attacks on the WTC in the USA, and dedicated it to the intelligence community. I think it was in that vilume of the series that he had a great big rant, throughout the entire book, against exactly the system you described. He does produce some very good examples in that book of how screwy a messed up communist state can be.
     
  16. Captain_Crunch Club Ninja Valued Senior Member

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  17. grazzhoppa yawwn Valued Senior Member

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    Thats not an anti-communist website, thats some idiot on the Internet bored out of his mind, for 5 years.
     
  18. Captain_Crunch Club Ninja Valued Senior Member

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    i know, unfortunately the web has many of these websites. I thought the 'are you a communist b***ard?' test was quite funny, just for the pure randomnest of it.
     
  19. Teg Unknown Citizen Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not making any judgement either way. I was merely pointing out the absurdity of the word capitalism to describe our economy and communism to describe the old Soviet world. Democracy is another misused word. I only seek the best way to accurately describe our world. There might be a perceived bias against or for communist systems. How can I have an opinion either way for a system that has yet to be tested?
     
  20. foadi Registered Senior Member

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    What in the hell...

    :bugeye:
     
  21. Captain_Crunch Club Ninja Valued Senior Member

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    The soviet union was socialist, not communist - A misunderstanding by many.
     
  22. machaon Registered Senior Member

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    Boundries


    A lesson in brainwashing. To think that you may not like it, but that it is the best system going illustrates perfectly the effectiveness of US propaganda. Think freely and the alternatives will slowly but surely appear.
     
  23. Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Boundries

    If you want to talk big, lets hear it.
     

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