Do you want a democracy???

The USA is not a democracy. It's supposedly a representative democracy.

In a democracy, everything would be decided by popular vote.
If there are more votes to ban the bible than otherwise, the bible is banned.
If there are more votes keep atheists out of public office ...
If there are more votes to mandate church attendence ...
If there are more votes to execute drug addicts ...
Can this be good?
Is this what we want?

 

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thing is democracy cannot exist in its purest sense, because underneath it all "the public agendas" there are individuals who ultimately decided this and that. Senate is such individuals for example...yeah a lot of people...but we got hundreds of millions and yet less than thousand decide the fate of us.

 

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so if two guys came up to you in a dark alley, and said, lets decide by popular vote, whether we should beat the shit out of you, then both of them voted in favour, you would support their actions?

popular vote is not democracy. democracy means power to the people, not power to the majority, we should be left to decide for ourselves how to live and what is best.

 

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One day the Electoral College will be removed to only allow the popular vote to count. It's only a matter of time.

 

Absurd strawman.

Democracy IS deciding by popular vote rather than by "representatives".

I hope you're right.

 

What I want is a CONDITIONAL democracy.

Where the right to vote is acquired by passing a general aptitude test.

 

I have no faith in any political system in place at the moment. Everything from right-wing dictatorships to communism is eventually corrupted by greed.

 

I'm inclined to disagree, but can you elaborate for me? What sort of questions are we talking about here?

 

Simple questions about how the government operates according to the constitution, its division of powers and so on.

The premise here is that ALL responsibilities come with conditions, in every area of life.

 

Sometimes it seems it would be better if there was reverse democracy, because the majority is mostly wrong, and therefore minority is much less wrong, sometimes maybe completely right.
Imagine that!

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ok, lets look at a few more likely situations then;

-you get raped and become pregnant, you want to have an abortion but because the majority of people in your country are religious zealots they wont let you.

-you have terminal cancer that is causing you extreme pain, yet because the majority have decided to outlaw marijuana you have no pain relief, and again the majority have decided to outlaw euthanasia, and you are forced to spend the rest of your short life in debilitating pain.

-you want to live peacefully, but because the majority have elected to go to war and enact a draft, you are shipped off overseas to die.

 

I don't want a direct count. I still want the Electoral College, but I want it to be proportional. The EC gives small states a bigger voice and outweighs highly populated states like Texas (25 million) and California (35 million). I want the federation preserved in this form. We're not unitary like France. We're a democratic federal republic.

~String

 

I was thinking perhaps ten votes per state (and one for DC) in a runoff style election.
Each state should have an equal number of votes because the federal government was never intended to be a representative democracy, rather a federal republic (much like a UN or EU is supposed to be).

 

Ideally, yes. Practically, I don't know. But I agree it is not even a representative democracy.

The moment I start thinking of national online votes, I think, field day for conspiracies.

Of course they are already having a field day.

 

There was never a Direct Democracy in any large state at any time in history.
The very notion of it is absurd.

In fact, a Direct Democracy in practice works against the whole ideal of Democracy.

 

A democracy works against the whole ideal of democracy? The notion of a democracy is absurd?
It's better to have "representatives" decide nearly everything? "Representatives" who clearly do not represent us?
A democracy is much more of the people, by the people, for the people than what we have now.

 

I would like a socialist democracy.

 

go to Switzerland.

 

No.
All government is, at its core, is force directed by will. Democracy is the force of the many's will. But it is still force.

The word you are looking for is anarchy.

 

anarchy is democracy. the whole idea of democracy is that we have the freedom to say how we live is it not? but when you allow for a government or a popular vote to decide for you, then you give up that freedom.